Cheryl, I am sorry that you have had some bad experiences. I guess that I just have been lucky thus far when it comes to sharing information. I will keep your advice and the advice of everyone else in mind when someone asks for information from me. Thanks, Jennifer On 7/28/05, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > Yep, I sometimes did that. > > It might not keep other people honest, but it DOES keep me from taking > their material as additional support for my own. I've already got four > places where I can't tell "who published first" so I can't tell whether > they are quoting us or we are quoting them. > > Cheryl > > Joan Lowrey wrote: > > > Everyone beware! Some people have acknowledged that they intentionally > > insert some wrong dates, etc., in the data they upload to any database > > or post to their own websites, so they can tell if someone has copied > > (stolen) from them > > > > Joan Lowrey > > > > > > At 05:59 PM 7/28/05 -0400, Patricia J Weisshaus wrote: > > > >> There was one fellow that I contacted because of his entry in > >> WorldConnect because he supposedly had a date that I had been looking > >> for quite awhile. His response was that he had thrown it in to see if > >> he got any reponses that would help him!]] > >> > >> End of contact! > >> > >> Pat > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index > Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > -- What do you think would be the best thing about being 104 years old? No peer pressure

Amen to that! My Golden Rule of Genealogy is, "Don't believe anything you hear *or* anything you see!" Have the mindset, "Hmm.... I wonder if that's right," for everything you find. We all know there are tons of errors in online census indexes, in the censuses themselves, in compiled genealogies, in uploaded user files. But there are errors in many original primary records, too. Be cautious. Be diligent. Prove it -- or disprove it, as Pat said. Joan Lowrey At 10:34 PM 7/28/05 -0400, Patricia J Weisshaus wrote: >Joan's message just reinforces one of the first rules of good >genealogy--do the research and prove or disprove any fact you receive from >anyone else. > >Pat

I too have concerns about GEDCOMs and generally do not download them or make mine available. If I talk to some one on mail for a bit, I might send part. WorldConnect is good about the living filter that is good. That way I don't accidentally forget when I make my GEDCOM and then upload living folks. I have had to revise some notes that referred to living. The advantage to me has been the contact with other family members who found me this way. One is the daughter of my Dad's cousin that I was named after. She was letting me know some additional info on the murder of our great grandmother that came from her Grandmother (the kid that did the crime apparently lived his whole life in regret and confessed on his death bed. If now we could only identify him! You might find some great contacts this way. Bill

There was one fellow that I contacted because of his entry in WorldConnect because he supposedly had a date that I had been looking for quite awhile. His response was that he had thrown it in to see if he got any reponses that would help him!]] End of contact! Pat At 05:52 PM 7/28/2005, Anthony Roberts wrote: >I am interested in others views on world connect and sharing gedcom files. > >Worldconnect is a rootsweb/ancestry.com site that allows you to place your >gedcom data >on the web, where others can search from it. There is an option which you >can turn on >or off which allows users to download your gedcom. > >Do people here you this site? I do, because it increases the likelihood of >finding people with >common ancestors who may be able to share research. I also like the fact >that my research is >"published", in case unforseeable events mean that me and my gedcom file >vanish. > >However there are downsides as well. Sometimes there are 20 or 30 entries >for a single soul >(20 or 30 people have the person in there tree), and it is hard to >determine who, if anyone >actually did the research, so you can follow up on it. Ideally each entry >should be documented, >so that you can repeat the research more easily if you need to. On >numerous occasions I have >contacted owners and found that no little about person, they just copied >the person undocumented into their tree as they were distantly related (I >guess bigger is better?). > >For this reason I don't make my gedcom downloadable - I don't want vaguely >interested >people pasting my entire gedcom into theirs. If someone came looking to >share information >on an ancestor and encountered the 29 people who only have a vague >interest, they might never get to me.I sometimes get requests for my >gedcom from people who I have not shared >any research with, and I do not know how to politely convey my feelings on >these issues. >I am happy to share my gedcom with people who care about documentation, >will not >extract holus bolus data from it, and won't keep propogating it. One copy >on the web seems >enough. Do other people feel this way? Am I just being a stinge and >unfriendly? > >If the shoe were on the other foot, if someone had some beautifully researched >and documented line of mine I would certainly like to incorporate that >line in my tree (for >printing trees and reports etc). > >A second downside of using worldconnect is that ancestry.com emails me >every so often and asks me if I want to >pay to read my database ("Anthony, we have found an ancestor of yours, >please pay us >to expand your tree"). It annoys me that I place my data for tree and >ancestry tries to >hock it off for money, without saying it is available on worldconnect >(where they must have >sourced the names I'm talking about) for free. > >I am interested in your views on these matters. > >Cheers, >Tony > > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >PAF @ FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service >http://www.familysearch.org/eng/paf/

I am interested in others views on world connect and sharing gedcom files. Worldconnect is a rootsweb/ancestry.com site that allows you to place your gedcom data on the web, where others can search from it. There is an option which you can turn on or off which allows users to download your gedcom. Do people here you this site? I do, because it increases the likelihood of finding people with common ancestors who may be able to share research. I also like the fact that my research is "published", in case unforseeable events mean that me and my gedcom file vanish. However there are downsides as well. Sometimes there are 20 or 30 entries for a single soul (20 or 30 people have the person in there tree), and it is hard to determine who, if anyone actually did the research, so you can follow up on it. Ideally each entry should be documented, so that you can repeat the research more easily if you need to. On numerous occasions I have contacted owners and found that no little about person, they just copied the person undocumented into their tree as they were distantly related (I guess bigger is better?). For this reason I don't make my gedcom downloadable - I don't want vaguely interested people pasting my entire gedcom into theirs. If someone came looking to share information on an ancestor and encountered the 29 people who only have a vague interest, they might never get to me.I sometimes get requests for my gedcom from people who I have not shared any research with, and I do not know how to politely convey my feelings on these issues. I am happy to share my gedcom with people who care about documentation, will not extract holus bolus data from it, and won't keep propogating it. One copy on the web seems enough. Do other people feel this way? Am I just being a stinge and unfriendly? If the shoe were on the other foot, if someone had some beautifully researched and documented line of mine I would certainly like to incorporate that line in my tree (for printing trees and reports etc). A second downside of using worldconnect is that ancestry.com emails me every so often and asks me if I want to pay to read my database ("Anthony, we have found an ancestor of yours, please pay us to expand your tree"). It annoys me that I place my data for tree and ancestry tries to hock it off for money, without saying it is available on worldconnect (where they must have sourced the names I'm talking about) for free. I am interested in your views on these matters. Cheers, Tony

I do not understand why people would do this. Why don't they want to share with others? I don't mind sharing my information as along as the living people's information is protected. Jennifer On 7/28/05, Joan Lowrey <joanlowr@pacbell.net> wrote: > Everyone beware! Some people have acknowledged that they intentionally > insert some wrong dates, etc., in the data they upload to any database or > post to their own websites, so they can tell if someone has copied (stolen) > from them > > Joan Lowrey > > > At 05:59 PM 7/28/05 -0400, Patricia J Weisshaus wrote: > >There was one fellow that I contacted because of his entry in WorldConnect > >because he supposedly had a date that I had been looking for quite awhile. > >His response was that he had thrown it in to see if he got any reponses > >that would help him!]] > > > >End of contact! > > > >Pat > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAF-5-USERS/ > > -- What do you think would be the best thing about being 104 years old? No peer pressure

Everyone beware! Some people have acknowledged that they intentionally insert some wrong dates, etc., in the data they upload to any database or post to their own websites, so they can tell if someone has copied (stolen) from them Joan Lowrey At 05:59 PM 7/28/05 -0400, Patricia J Weisshaus wrote: >There was one fellow that I contacted because of his entry in WorldConnect >because he supposedly had a date that I had been looking for quite awhile. >His response was that he had thrown it in to see if he got any reponses >that would help him!]] > >End of contact! > >Pat

I don´t know your email client - I will assume you use PAF 5.. The person who is sending you the email won´t know that you have not received it. You can even block whole domains - like *@rootsweb.com <http://rootsweb.com> Alan google "twit filter" for more information On 7/28/05, Stephanie Cocks <steph-ken@bigpond.com> wrote: > > Dear Listers, > I am wondering, when I use the "Block Sender" tool, what message, if any > at all, is received by the 'blocked' person. > Thanks for your help. > Stephanie. > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAF-5-USERS/ > >

John, The flash thingies (I call them jump drives) can be up to 1 gigabyte, and maybe more now. To keep you files separate, you can use different folders for each area you are researching. When plugged in, they look just like another drive and you manage the files there the same way you do on floppies or your hard drive. A gigabite will hold a LOT of PAF files and much research. :-) Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "john burns" <johnburns@telus.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Back up Question >A couple of more questions on the same topic if I may as I'm thinking of > buying one. I have 5 different genealogies. How would I put them all on > one > memory stick-how would they be separated? Does your file get compressed > like > it does when you backup to a floppy? > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Gagne" <MaryEllen@satx.rr.com> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:54 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] Back up Question > > >> When you use a "flash" thingie for back up of your data, would you do it >> in like format as some have mentioned here: Name of file-2005-06-01 >> or would you just write it over and over? And would you go back to the >> "flash" thingie and delete earlier ones, after a period of time? How >> often would you suggest saving on this kind of a device? And would you >> continue to save on floppies? >> >> Mel >> >> >> >> >> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >> Replying to Posts >> When quoting a post you're replying to, omit signatures and taglines that > are appended to the post. >> >> > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

Oops, sorry, wrong list. Steph.

Dear Listers, I am wondering, when I use the "Block Sender" tool, what message, if any at all, is received by the 'blocked' person. Thanks for your help. Stephanie.

In a message dated 7/27/2005 3:25:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, johnburns@telus.net writes: A couple of more questions on the same topic if I may as I'm thinking of buying one. I have 5 different genealogies. How would I put them all on one memory stick-how would they be separated? Does your file get compressed like it does when you backup to a floppy? John Think of the USB memory stick as an external drive. You put files on it just as you would put them on any drive. However, one 64 meg stick will hold what about 50 floppies would hold, so you can easily get your 5 genealogies on one of them and a directory will look just like your hard drive directory. You can arrange your files in several folders just as you might separate them on the C: drive. For example: the Burns folder could hold the Burns backups, and the Jones folder could hold the Jones backups, etc. The backup compression works the same way for a memory stick as it does for the A: drive or for the C: drive, for that matter. Alan B.

In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:55:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, MaryEllen@satx.rr.com writes: When you use a "flash" thingie for back up of your data, would you do it in like format as some have mentioned here: Name of file-2005-06-01 or would you just write it over and over? And would you go back to the "flash" thingie and delete earlier ones, after a period of time? How often would you suggest saving on this kind of a device? And would you continue to save on floppies? Mel I would use the name-date format. This would not write over your old files so you would have a series of backup files. Since the USB memory sticks hold a lot of data (say 64, 128, 256, 512 megabytes or more) you would not have to delete very often, just whenever it felt right to you. I save a backup every time I make changes in my database (and especially if I am going to do some search and replace activity). If I make changes several times a day I use an "a, b, c" format on the date. I have not continued to use floppies to back up. Instead I use several sticks in rotation. They are getting so cheap now, I like them better than floppies or my zip drive. I am always careful to de-install them when I remove one from my machine and so far (how do I knock on wood on this metal machine?) have not had any trouble in two years of usage. I do delete the old files fairly often (about every 2 weeks). It is easy to do several at once in Windows Explorer. I delete when I am certain I am not going to need that file again. Alan B.

The 5 genealogies I assume are 5 different PAF files. That translates into 5 different backup files. As the files have different names, the backups also have corresponding, different names. Example: You have Burns, Smith, Jones, Brown, and Roberts files. The actual files are named Burns.paf, Smith.paf, Jones.paf, etc. The Backup files will be Burns.zip, Smith.zip, etc. On the memory stick (or floppy, hard drive, CD, etc) they will still stay as individual files. The compression happens as the backup is created, and the medium it is stored on makes no difference. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "john burns" <johnburns@telus.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Back up Question > A couple of more questions on the same topic if I may as I'm thinking of > buying one. I have 5 different genealogies. How would I put them all on one > memory stick-how would they be separated? Does your file get compressed like > it does when you backup to a floppy? > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Gagne" <MaryEllen@satx.rr.com> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:54 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] Back up Question > > > > When you use a "flash" thingie for back up of your data, would you do it > > in like format as some have mentioned here: Name of file-2005-06-01 > > or would you just write it over and over? And would you go back to the > > "flash" thingie and delete earlier ones, after a period of time? How > > often would you suggest saving on this kind of a device? And would you > > continue to save on floppies? > > > > Mel > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > > Replying to Posts > > When quoting a post you're replying to, omit signatures and taglines that > are appended to the post. > > > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

When you use a "flash" thingie for back up of your data, would you do it in like format as some have mentioned here: Name of file-2005-06-01 or would you just write it over and over? And would you go back to the "flash" thingie and delete earlier ones, after a period of time? How often would you suggest saving on this kind of a device? And would you continue to save on floppies? Mel

A couple of more questions on the same topic if I may as I'm thinking of buying one. I have 5 different genealogies. How would I put them all on one memory stick-how would they be separated? Does your file get compressed like it does when you backup to a floppy? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Gagne" <MaryEllen@satx.rr.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Back up Question > When you use a "flash" thingie for back up of your data, would you do it > in like format as some have mentioned here: Name of file-2005-06-01 > or would you just write it over and over? And would you go back to the > "flash" thingie and delete earlier ones, after a period of time? How > often would you suggest saving on this kind of a device? And would you > continue to save on floppies? > > Mel > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > Replying to Posts > When quoting a post you're replying to, omit signatures and taglines that are appended to the post. > >

I just wanted to thank everyone who helped with my questions. I can't respond to everyone individually but thanks so much. Becky

Hi Rogers, I have a free conversion service that I offer under the auspices of PAF Review (www.paf-review.com) and would be glad to convert your files for you (or for anyone). The preferred approach is for you to attach copies of your .BAK files to an email message sent to convert@paf-review.com. If your files are very large (greater than 5 megabytes) I can provide you an alternative method to transmit them to me. I would return a copy in either PAF 5 (recommended) or PAF 4 format. The details are available at: www.paf-review.com/convert.html Mike St. Clair PAF Review -----Original Message----- From: Rogers Finch [mailto:ka2hsu@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:32 PM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Data conversion Thanks to those who replied to my inquiry about obtaining a copy of PAF 4. I did what I should have done in the first place and visited the LDS home site on the internet. There I found PAF 4.0.4.18. It downloaded easily but so far does not recognize my five RESTORE floppies. They, of course, after all this time may be corrupted, in which case I am out of luck. On the other hand there may be still be an incompatibility problem. I plan to visit my local LDS Family History Center this week for help on solving this problem. Rogers ______________________________

Hi Group, I agree about the documentation Book from the Silcon Valley Users group. I have used an recommended it for years, through the old and new revised book now available. If you use the standard tags in your notes using the FOCUS portion of PAF works well. Also if you are a member of this group, for $15.00 per year you get a monthly newsletter with lots of good articles and tips about Genealogy and Computers www.svcomputergenealogy.org Later, Philo Redfield __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Always appreciate the thank yous Dolly but that is kinda the reason we are subscribed to the group. We need help sometimes too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dolly Ziegler" <dsz@bcpl.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] ?moving PAF to new computer > THANKS to Gary, Rollei, Ross, Larry, Bill L., Bill D., Theresa & Alan B. > for taking the time to offer suggestions on the various ways to do this. > I suspect we are not the only ones on list who are very much interested! > Cheers, Dolly in Maryland USA > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index > Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > >