I have a Deviant in my family like you wouldn't believe. I found out about this strictly by accident. I prefer that others not know about it. I have written an account without names or dates and have changed the noun that describes the action so I can recall the details if I wish to. But, and I hope I am right, I really don't think that anyone would be able to identify the person or the issue. If it dies with me, so be it. Knowing about it will not help anyone. If other family members ask if I know anything about this person, I will say that I know they were troubled and created a lot of heartache for their parents. That is quite enough. Tom in SLC

Lila, I think you mean to use ~ to create a confidential note For example: ~ This note would be confidential. !This note would be printed on reports. Bill Buchanan > I agree that it's hard to figure out what to tell, but I am inclined to > create confidential notes with !. You have to double space or maybe triple > space after the confidentical note, so that the remainder of your notes will > print when you ask for that function. Depending on something technical in > PAF that I don't understand, it doesn't always work that way; so to be on > the safe side, use the ! before each confidential paragraph.

betty wrote: > The problem of how to handle deviant behaviors in our family tree notes is a dilemma to me. If any of you USERS have words of wisdom, I am very interested. > > Up until now (I've researched for 50 years) I have ignored all references to such behaviors. I work with another individual on gathering information involving ancestors from an extinct > Volga-German village (and their descendants) who has asked me this question. How much should we record of deviant behavior in notes? I guess I'd have to say -- depends on _how_ deviant. I mean, if my 7th GGF had "marital relations" with a sheared sheep, I'm not at all certain I'd even want to know. (g) A member of a group historically known to have cannibalized fellow-travellers to stay alive ... no point not admitting it, it's in the historical record. The sheriff who was hung from his gibbet seems to me to be interesting enough to keep that in his file ... particularly since he has no living descendants only collaterals. This woman or that had a premature child (or had the baptism recorded before her marriage) ... not even up to Deviant standards, IMO. My _personal_ rule of thumb is -- is there a living person who would be mortified to have this mentioned at the dinner table? If Yes, then make a note that there IS other info, but don't bother saying what it is. YOU"ll know. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Someone has said, "The more things change, the more they remain the same." Behaviors that we regard as deviant have been happening all along, but they were hushed up. The same actions that caused scandals during the Victorian era are ho-hum now--the difference is today's openness as opposed to the secretiveness of the past. I agree that it's hard to figure out what to tell, but I am inclined to create confidential notes with !. You have to double space or maybe triple space after the confidentical note, so that the remainder of your notes will print when you ask for that function. Depending on something technical in PAF that I don't understand, it doesn't always work that way; so to be on the safe side, use the ! before each confidential paragraph. I struggle with a family whose two children were fathered by (1) the husband's brother and (2) the wife's nephew. Descendants of both deserve to know but who am I to do the telling? There's a certain deficiency with the second child and his descendants that is surely caused by the close relationship--there had already been a first-cousin marriage among the ancestry of the aunt-nephew couple. Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernadine Randall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 24 November, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Social deviants > Betty, > I think it would be quite educational and interesting to note how our > ancestors lived, worked, played, socialized etc. Surely everyone realizes > "things were different in the old days" and the further back we go the > more > different they are. Not everyone will agree and some won't want to know, > and that's okay too. > Being an orphan, not knowing family traits, etc., if I were in your shoes > and had that opportunity I'd grab it and hold on. Write and document > everything for my own information and share with those that want to know. > Bernadine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Betty, I think it would be quite educational and interesting to note how our ancestors lived, worked, played, socialized etc. Surely everyone realizes "things were different in the old days" and the further back we go the more different they are. Not everyone will agree and some won't want to know, and that's okay too. Being an orphan, not knowing family traits, etc., if I were in your shoes and had that opportunity I'd grab it and hold on. Write and document everything for my own information and share with those that want to know. Bernadine

The problem of how to handle deviant behaviors in our family tree notes is a dilemma to me. If any of you USERS have words of wisdom, I am very interested. Up until now (I've researched for 50 years) I have ignored all references to such behaviors. I work with another individual on gathering information involving ancestors from an extinct Volga-German village (and their descendants) who has asked me this question. How much should we record of deviant behavior in notes? BA in Calif.

Maybe I've just been lucky, then. None of us have had a problem. Good luck! Cheryl [email protected] wrote: > Thank for the input. You're lucky your glassware got there okay. When > they inspect your luggage (and about half the time I fly I find a notice > that they have done so when I arrive at my destination) they do not > repack like you packed. Whatever you've protected by wrapping in > clothing etc., is just tossed back in. A bottle of maple syrup, packed > in clothing and in a plastic bag, was removed from the wrappings and > leaked all over everything. What a mess. Lila > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 18 November, 2007 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop > > >> [email protected] wrote: >> >>> This will be for a college student who will take it to classes and >>> won't be >>> running PAF, at least now. Toshiba is the brand I remember but I >>> can't find >>> the message in the PAF archives. >>> >>> One person I know was required to place her laptop in her checked >>> luggage >>> for an international flight, and I'd like to have a laptop that could >>> withstand the kind of treatment that checked baggage endures. >> >> >> Our son carried IBM laptops through college, on flights >> home, and on numerous business trips afterwards. When he >> needed a technologically-better one, he sold his old ones to >> someone who didn't need more speed/power. He DID need to be >> able to turn it on at Security to prove it wasn't a bomb >> (even before 9/11) and the time it wouldn't power-on he >> ended up having to stow it in his carry-on and check that. >> >> OTOH, I've successfully carted fragile glassware (as in thin >> crystal) around, wrapped in socks and placed in the MIDDLE >> of the checked suitcase. >> >> N.B.: for college students, unless they are Comp-Sci majors >> in their final semesters, one or more generations down from >> leading-edge is better -- a brand-new, state-of-the-art >> laptop is likelier to "disappear" than a scarred >> year-before-last model. And, speaking from experience, >> carting a laptop into the library stacks or the ladies' room >> isn't as much fun the 3rd time as it sounds; I would imagine >> toting one into the men's room isn't much easier ... >> >> Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

(G) But the Titanic and that plate _do_ tend to alter one's willingness to believe PR about how durable something else is. (g) And when push gets to shove, it's easier on the nerves to lose a $300 laptop than a $900 one *IF* it gets damaged -- and you can lose 3 of the $300 ones for the same price. Add to that that most people will be careful after the first one dies ...? I had a really cheap laptop work beautifully until the 3rd time it got dropped on a corner and the LCD screen went bad (well, I _did_ say most people, didn't I? ;) ). I'm babying my current laptop because I prefer the space bar at the end of the box, not in the middle, and all the new ones have that nice big screen that puts the space bar in the middle! Cheryl Kevin R. Phillips wrote: > Cheryl, > > Hey, and the Titanic was unsinkable! > > I wouldn't want to purposely drop a laptop, rugged or not, but the Panasonic > Toughbooks ARE much more durable than anything else on the market, they are > designed to Military specs, for use on construction sites, etc. And of > course, you pay for it. (But they also have much longer warranties than the > consumer oriented laptops) > > If you have the need and the extra cost isn't an issue, they come highly > recommended. > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:05 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop > > Kevin R. Phillips wrote: > > >>and yes you CAN drop them, they are that >>tough although I wouldn't want to try it out after spending the money on >>them) > > > (G) The concept there brings back fond memories ... > Remember back in the '60s when Corning put out dinnerware > called Centura? It too was advertised as unbreakable. One > night we were in an up-scale department store when we > overheard a saleman with a potential customer. Store had > that new fancy red, stone, tile in the Kitchenwares section. > Salesman was holding a dinnerplate when he uttered > "guaranteed unbreakable..." and flung the plate on the floor > -- the place shattered into a hundred or so shards. > > Cheryl > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Good point about a tripod bushing. They are standard--I have an antique tripod patented before 1900 and it fits my digital. Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "singmore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 18 November, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Digital cameras > Hi, > > Look for the camera with these features: > > 1) at least 4+ mega-pixels (more better) > 2) at least 12x optical zoom for close ups (documents, headstones, etc). > Mind you optical NOT digital. Digital does not matter! > 3) a swivel screen - IMHO, a must for taking pictures of documents laid > out > on a table or in the microfilm booth > 4) auto AND FULL manual controls - important in the low light (no flash > allowed) places like archives > 5) a viewfinder in addition to the LCD screen. Some cameras do not have it > and the LCD screens are difficult to read esp. outdoors > 5) picture stabilization feature - great for not quite steady hand > 6) make sure it has the tripod hole because not all cameras have them > 7) optional but extremely handy - a remote control > 8) AA batteries rather than the proprietary one > > > The rest like size and brand is a personal preference. > > Ella > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank for the input. You're lucky your glassware got there okay. When they inspect your luggage (and about half the time I fly I find a notice that they have done so when I arrive at my destination) they do not repack like you packed. Whatever you've protected by wrapping in clothing etc., is just tossed back in. A bottle of maple syrup, packed in clothing and in a plastic bag, was removed from the wrappings and leaked all over everything. What a mess. Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 18 November, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop > [email protected] wrote: > >> This will be for a college student who will take it to classes and won't >> be >> running PAF, at least now. Toshiba is the brand I remember but I can't >> find >> the message in the PAF archives. >> >> One person I know was required to place her laptop in her checked luggage >> for an international flight, and I'd like to have a laptop that could >> withstand the kind of treatment that checked baggage endures. > > Our son carried IBM laptops through college, on flights > home, and on numerous business trips afterwards. When he > needed a technologically-better one, he sold his old ones to > someone who didn't need more speed/power. He DID need to be > able to turn it on at Security to prove it wasn't a bomb > (even before 9/11) and the time it wouldn't power-on he > ended up having to stow it in his carry-on and check that. > > OTOH, I've successfully carted fragile glassware (as in thin > crystal) around, wrapped in socks and placed in the MIDDLE > of the checked suitcase. > > N.B.: for college students, unless they are Comp-Sci majors > in their final semesters, one or more generations down from > leading-edge is better -- a brand-new, state-of-the-art > laptop is likelier to "disappear" than a scarred > year-before-last model. And, speaking from experience, > carting a laptop into the library stacks or the ladies' room > isn't as much fun the 3rd time as it sounds; I would imagine > toting one into the men's room isn't much easier ... > > Cheryl > > > -- > There should be no attachments on this message, unless I > specifically mentioned them above. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, I have a Toshiba digital camera that is getting old -- I've had it nearly 7 years. It still works fine, but I fear that something is going to give in the future and it will need to be replaced (maybe the battery?). It works very well to copy documents, newspapers that are too fragile to photocopy, and to take general indoor or outdoor photos (family, tombstones, etc.). I have read that a genealogist's needs for a digital camera are special, and I agree. However, how does one go about finding one that will meet our needs? You can see I'm planning ahead! Perhaps a list of criteria to present to the camera shop or elsewhere???? Thanks, Ellen State College, PA

Hi, Look for the camera with these features: 1) at least 4+ mega-pixels (more better) 2) at least 12x optical zoom for close ups (documents, headstones, etc). Mind you optical NOT digital. Digital does not matter! 3) a swivel screen - IMHO, a must for taking pictures of documents laid out on a table or in the microfilm booth 4) auto AND FULL manual controls - important in the low light (no flash allowed) places like archives 5) a viewfinder in addition to the LCD screen. Some cameras do not have it and the LCD screens are difficult to read esp. outdoors 5) picture stabilization feature - great for not quite steady hand 6) make sure it has the tripod hole because not all cameras have them 7) optional but extremely handy - a remote control 8) AA batteries rather than the proprietary one The rest like size and brand is a personal preference. Ella

[email protected] wrote: > This will be for a college student who will take it to classes and won't be > running PAF, at least now. Toshiba is the brand I remember but I can't find > the message in the PAF archives. > > One person I know was required to place her laptop in her checked luggage > for an international flight, and I'd like to have a laptop that could > withstand the kind of treatment that checked baggage endures. Our son carried IBM laptops through college, on flights home, and on numerous business trips afterwards. When he needed a technologically-better one, he sold his old ones to someone who didn't need more speed/power. He DID need to be able to turn it on at Security to prove it wasn't a bomb (even before 9/11) and the time it wouldn't power-on he ended up having to stow it in his carry-on and check that. OTOH, I've successfully carted fragile glassware (as in thin crystal) around, wrapped in socks and placed in the MIDDLE of the checked suitcase. N.B.: for college students, unless they are Comp-Sci majors in their final semesters, one or more generations down from leading-edge is better -- a brand-new, state-of-the-art laptop is likelier to "disappear" than a scarred year-before-last model. And, speaking from experience, carting a laptop into the library stacks or the ladies' room isn't as much fun the 3rd time as it sounds; I would imagine toting one into the men's room isn't much easier ... Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Kevin R. Phillips wrote: > > and yes you CAN drop them, they are that > tough although I wouldn't want to try it out after spending the money on > them) (G) The concept there brings back fond memories ... Remember back in the '60s when Corning put out dinnerware called Centura? It too was advertised as unbreakable. One night we were in an up-scale department store when we overheard a saleman with a potential customer. Store had that new fancy red, stone, tile in the Kitchenwares section. Salesman was holding a dinnerplate when he uttered "guaranteed unbreakable..." and flung the plate on the floor -- the place shattered into a hundred or so shards. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Cheryl, Hey, and the Titanic was unsinkable! I wouldn't want to purposely drop a laptop, rugged or not, but the Panasonic Toughbooks ARE much more durable than anything else on the market, they are designed to Military specs, for use on construction sites, etc. And of course, you pay for it. (But they also have much longer warranties than the consumer oriented laptops) If you have the need and the extra cost isn't an issue, they come highly recommended. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop Kevin R. Phillips wrote: > > and yes you CAN drop them, they are that > tough although I wouldn't want to try it out after spending the money on > them) (G) The concept there brings back fond memories ... Remember back in the '60s when Corning put out dinnerware called Centura? It too was advertised as unbreakable. One night we were in an up-scale department store when we overheard a saleman with a potential customer. Store had that new fancy red, stone, tile in the Kitchenwares section. Salesman was holding a dinnerplate when he uttered "guaranteed unbreakable..." and flung the plate on the floor -- the place shattered into a hundred or so shards. Cheryl

Having gone through 4 laptops in the last 20 years.. my best purchase was just to find a cheap (<$400) laptop through Ebay. My current one, a Compaq is not made anymore, but its already "broken in" and if I were you I would find out what programs your daughter wants.. Just for office (like Open Office) or for games? One laptop (550mhz) has survived incredibly well. My first one didn't survive but three months.. but falling off the back of a motorcycle onto an L.A. freeway can do that. If it just lasts a few years, and does office and the internet.. you don't need a powerhouse. But google "review" and any model you look at. Alan Now living more dangerously (traded my motorcycle for a wife) On Nov 17, 2007 8:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > This will be for a college student who will take it to classes and won't > be > running PAF, at least now. Toshiba is the brand I remember but I can't > find > the message in the PAF archives. > > One person I know was required to place her laptop in her checked luggage > for an international flight, and I'd like to have a laptop that could > withstand the kind of treatment that checked baggage endures. > > Lila > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross G.H. Cotton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 17 November, 2007 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop > > > > Lila > > I don't what you meam by "rugged". If you intend to throw it around on > > the > > floor or against a Brick Wall, I don't think you will find one. > > > > This the 3rd laptop I've had that is a Toshiba and I find it very rugged > > for > > what I do. I carry it around with me to the library and when I was > > working > > I carried it around on my job which took me to many places across Canada > > and > > the US. I can't remember ever having a problem. > > > >>From past experience I know that PAF has worked on all of them. Now I > >>have > > a new Toshiba that uses Vista Windows, and PAF works fine on that; I > > can't > > say the same thing for some other Genealogy problems, since Vista won't > > let > > you find your Help file for some of the other programs. Also Vista > won't > > faciliate creating a large wall chart, that can be taken to and printed > by > > a > > Commercial Graphics Printer. > > > > Best of luck. > > > > Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 > > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > > I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above > > > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 > > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > > see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/<http://home.comcast.net/%7Ecottondna/> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:51 AM > > Subject: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop > > > > > >> Listers, > >> > >> I have searched the PAF archives and evidently didn't come up with a > >> search term that worked. Someone wrote within the last couple of months > >> and related that laptops were used in his business and they had to be > >> rugged (probably not the correct word). He mentioned a brand that fit > the > >> bill, but the one I remembered doesn't come up in the archives, so I > >> guess > >> I remembered wrong. > >> > >> Can anyone remember this posting and help me find it? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Lila > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

[email protected] wrote: > Listers, > > I have searched the PAF archives and evidently didn't come up with a search term that worked. Someone wrote within the last couple of months and related that laptops were used in his business and they had to be rugged (probably not the correct word). He mentioned a brand that fit the bill, but the one I remembered doesn't come up in the archives, so I guess I remembered wrong. > > Can anyone remember this posting and help me find it? > > Thanks > > Lila > > I second the Toshiba suggestion (unless there is a need for something like the Panasonic Toughbook). I've owned a number of notebooks over a number of years. Mostly HP/Compaq or Toshiba. The Toshibas performed better - both in terms of computing power and being 'reasonably' durable.

I suggest you look into local brands. In Salt Lake there is PC Laptops. They put out a very good quality laptop, and they guarantee it forever. If you get a virus you can't get rid of, they'll fix if for free. If you get some hardware or software that you can't figure out how to install, they'll install it even if you didn't buy it there. If you have a problem (my last was when my WORD toolbar disappeared) they'll help you solve your problem over the phone. They'll do a tune-up as often as you want to get rid of unwated files and software to make your computer run faster. And, they are friendly. They aren't the least expensive, but your computer comes with great (and free) service. Something that is worth a lot to me. I would think that most large cities have something similar. Tom Sevy in Salt Lake City

Lila, Panasonic "toughbooks" are probably what you are thinking of. (You may have seen the commercials on TV, and yes you CAN drop them, they are that tough although I wouldn't want to try it out after spending the money on them) http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/products.asp Besides HAZMAT, the military uses them too. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wayne Jones Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:58 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop Panasonic makes a laptop (fairly expensive) that most, if not all HAZMAT units that I know of use -- can't rememeber the model number, but is seems to be impervious to everything but volcanos. I will query a HAZMAT friend and see if I can get the model foryou. Aloha Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop Listers, I have searched the PAF archives and evidently didn't come up with a search term that worked. Someone wrote within the last couple of months and related that laptops were used in his business and they had to be rugged (probably not the correct word). He mentioned a brand that fit the bill, but the one I remembered doesn't come up in the archives, so I guess I remembered wrong. Can anyone remember this posting and help me find it? Thanks Lila

Lila I don't what you meam by "rugged". If you intend to throw it around on the floor or against a Brick Wall, I don't think you will find one. This the 3rd laptop I've had that is a Toshiba and I find it very rugged for what I do. I carry it around with me to the library and when I was working I carried it around on my job which took me to many places across Canada and the US. I can't remember ever having a problem. >From past experience I know that PAF has worked on all of them. Now I have a new Toshiba that uses Vista Windows, and PAF works fine on that; I can't say the same thing for some other Genealogy problems, since Vista won't let you find your Help file for some of the other programs. Also Vista won't faciliate creating a large wall chart, that can be taken to and printed by a Commercial Graphics Printer. Best of luck. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: [PAF-5] A rugged laptop > Listers, > > I have searched the PAF archives and evidently didn't come up with a > search term that worked. Someone wrote within the last couple of months > and related that laptops were used in his business and they had to be > rugged (probably not the correct word). He mentioned a brand that fit the > bill, but the one I remembered doesn't come up in the archives, so I guess > I remembered wrong. > > Can anyone remember this posting and help me find it? > > Thanks > > Lila > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message