Horrible expression, isn't it? From the same school as "terror threat"? Try - mistake, error, fault etc Only good thing to be said about "my bad" is that it seems to be spelt consistently and correctly, at least in the ever increasing numbers of emails where I have seen the expression used. <g> Another non-US resident - who finds it ironic that on one hand more and more "short" expressions are being used in writing, while orally people like to add numbers of "-tionisationed" and similar suffixes to all sorts of perfectly adequate words. On 07/12/2007, Alan Whitcomb <[email protected]> wrote: > Goodness! I am supposed to be an "English teacher" .. what does "my bad" .. > mean? What is the subject? Where did this strange phrase originate? > Please, can someone help me? I do not live in the U.S. > > > On Dec 7, 2007 3:10 AM, singhals <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it.

Cheryl I do not have PAF Insight, and I merge a LOT of info into my database. I've developed a process that works well for me. 1.. Using ADDSOUR I add a Source to the gedcom under both Individual and Dates & Places. 2.. I open a new file for the gedcom I received and peruse it to see WHAT I'm dealing with. I merge Sources and Citations. I delete any individuals that I would not want in my database. Then I create a new gedcom of the file with ONLY the individuals I want in my database. 3.. I now go to my primary data base, select the matching individuals (Or matching descendents) and export a gedcom and create a new (TEMP) file. (This MAY seem cumbersome but it allows me to merge automatically later on UID number). I note the largest RIN number for reference. 4.. Now I import the NEW gedcom to my TEMP file and merge all duplicate individuals (Using care to always merge into the lower RIN individual). When the husband and wife are merged the two marriages are also merged IF the two marriages are EXACTLY alike. Export the file as a gedcom. 5.. Then Import the gedcom into the master database and do an automatic merge on UID numbers, and merge Sources & Citations. 6.. Finally do an Advanced Focus search for individuals with more than one marriage and scan the list for duplicates. I usually delete the unnecessary MRIN. Then an Advanced Focus search for individuals with more than one set of parents and scan for duplicates and delete the unnecessary MRIN. A bit cumbersome but works for me. I know this doesn't solve your problem where the duplicates already exist. Regards Ken Guilette South Barrington IL

Goodness! I am supposed to be an "English teacher" .. what does "my bad" .. mean? What is the subject? Where did this strange phrase originate? Please, can someone help me? I do not live in the U.S. On Dec 7, 2007 3:10 AM, singhals <[email protected]> wrote: > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > > -- > There should be no attachments on this message, unless I > specifically mentioned them above. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's a couple hundred people. Merging that many people, automatically or manually, is not going to be quick, easy, or reliable. Cheryl Judith Heald wrote: > Often I have a couple with one child and later the same couple with other > children. I merge one in the couple - then I merge the other partner in the > couple. This combines notes, sources, parents, miscellaneous children, etc. > Often I have a coupe with one child and later the same couple with another > child. Occasionally I discover this results in a child listed twice so I > merge that child. No problem. Several steps, but it works fine for me. > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Can I merge marriages? (singhals) > 2. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Stewart Millar) > 3. Re: Can I merge marriages? (singhals) > 4. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Gaylon Findlay) > 5. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Bill Linn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:32 -0500 > From: singhals <[email protected]> > Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Often I have a couple with one child and later the same couple with other children. I merge one in the couple - then I merge the other partner in the couple. This combines notes, sources, parents, miscellaneous children, etc. Often I have a coupe with one child and later the same couple with another child. Occasionally I discover this results in a child listed twice so I merge that child. No problem. Several steps, but it works fine for me. Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288 Today's Topics: 1. Can I merge marriages? (singhals) 2. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Stewart Millar) 3. Re: Can I merge marriages? (singhals) 4. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Gaylon Findlay) 5. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Bill Linn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:32 -0500 From: singhals <[email protected]> Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is there a way to merge the marriage records? (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses seems to result in duplicate children which then also need merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:02:06 -0000 From: "Stewart Millar" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Despite a seeming lifetime of use of PAF - merging in basic PAF fills me with dread and I have rarely got it right - and never really know why I got it right or more often when - and I have - had similar results to you with merged marriages. I now do any PAF merging in PAFInsight - which gets it right every time. Remember - essentially you are merging individuals (not marriages) - if the merged individuals have been married to different people - you will get correctly, multiple marriages - however, if the merged individuals have from their respective different databases been married to the same individual - the result will be multiple marriages to the same individual & corresponding multiple children. In such cases care must be taken to ensure that the two merged records are not married to the same spouse. The above paragraph may take some unravelling - but use PAFInsight - it's easier. Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals Sent: 07 December 2007 02:11 To: [email protected] Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is there a way to merge the marriage records? (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses seems to result in duplicate children which then also need merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:19:52 -0500 From: singhals <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Uhhh ... I'm not sure I understand what you think I said? (g) I'll try PAFI ... not much to lose, I guess. Thanks, Stewart. Cheryl Stewart Millar wrote: > Despite a seeming lifetime of use of PAF - merging in basic PAF fills me > with dread and I have rarely got it right - and never really know why I got > it right or more often when - and I have - had similar results to you with > merged marriages. > > I now do any PAF merging in PAFInsight - which gets it right every time. > > Remember - essentially you are merging individuals (not marriages) - if the > merged individuals have been married to different people - you will get > correctly, multiple marriages - however, if the merged individuals have from > their respective different databases been married to the same individual - > the result will be multiple marriages to the same individual & corresponding > multiple children. In such cases care must be taken to ensure that the two > merged records are not married to the same spouse. > > The above paragraph may take some unravelling - but use PAFInsight - it's > easier. > > Regards, > Stewart > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals > Sent: 07 December 2007 02:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:30:29 -0700 From: Gaylon Findlay <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Cheryl: Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you have two copies each of Bob and Sally. Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and that is RIN 1. So now you have: Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. MRIN 6 will be gone. In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. Concentrate on merging the individuals, and the marriages should take care of themselves. Gaylon PS. If the original RIN 1=RIN 2 couple had children, and the original RIN 4=RIN 5 couple had a duplicate set of children, then you will eventually have to merge the children. singhals wrote: > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:49:09 -0500 From: "Bill Linn" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pardon my stupidity please but? Couldn't we just delete one marriage? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaylon Findlay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > Cheryl: > > Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you > have two copies each of Bob and Sally. > > Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. > The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in > marriage MRIN 6. > > Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have > two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and > that is RIN 1. So now you have: > > Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. > Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN > 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. > > Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end > up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in > the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since > MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically > merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. > MRIN 6 will be gone. > > In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you > merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. 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No, because that'll leave duplicate people. Not that this database is that big, but sooner or later, I'm bound to wonder why I've got 2 of some of these dudes...since it's a collateral line and all, we know I will (g). Cheryl Bill Linn wrote: > Pardon my stupidity please but? Couldn't we just delete one marriage? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gaylon Findlay" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > > > >>Cheryl: >> >>Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you >>have two copies each of Bob and Sally. >> >>Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. >>The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in >>marriage MRIN 6. >> >>Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have >>two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and >>that is RIN 1. So now you have: >> >>Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. >>Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN >>4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. >> >>Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end >>up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in >>the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since >>MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically >>merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. >>MRIN 6 will be gone. >> >>In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you >>merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. Concentrate >>on merging the individuals, and the marriages should take care of >>themselves. >> -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Well, yeah, but that's not what's happened. :( I have Bob Jones and Sally Rogers MRIN 3; when I swap them so Sally's parents show, I get the little box OTHER MARRIAGES, which shows a 2nd marriage to Bob Jones MRIN 6. When Bob's parents show, there's no OTHER MARRIAGES box. There ought to be a way to say MRIN3 and MRIN6 are the same "event" "couple" "persons" and to merge the two Marriages. And yes, both MRINs had issue, so merging Bob with Bob and Sally with Sally doubles the number of issue; and since most of Bob's issue also has issue who have issue ... As I said, MY fault, I'm just looking for a faster/better/cheaper way to fix it. Cheryl Gaylon Findlay wrote: > Cheryl: > > Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you > have two copies each of Bob and Sally. > > Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. > The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in > marriage MRIN 6. > > Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have > two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and > that is RIN 1. So now you have: > > Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. > Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN > 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. > > Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end > up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in > the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since > MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically > merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. > MRIN 6 will be gone. > > In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you > merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. Concentrate > on merging the individuals, and the marriages should take care of > themselves. > > Gaylon > > PS. If the original RIN 1=RIN 2 couple had children, and the original > RIN 4=RIN 5 couple had a duplicate set of children, then you will > eventually have to merge the children. > > > > > singhals wrote: > >> I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no >> question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. >> >> Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in >> numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is >> there a way to merge the marriage records? >> >> (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db >> floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses >> seems to result in duplicate children which then also need >> merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) >> >> If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? >> >> Cheryl >> >> > > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

>From your description, it appears there are two Bobs but only one Sally. When you merge the two Bobs, you will automatically merge the two MRINs and it does not double the number of issue, they are *already* in the database as duplicate individuals. The only thing you do is show them all at one time in the (now) single marriage of Sally and Bob. Assuming the data for each of their descendents is identical or close to it, merging a couple of hundred duplicates should only take 10-15 minutes, and as those people are merged, their duplicate marriages will also disappear. Merging the people merges the marriages and I don't think it could work the other way around, or what would happen if someone married a different person of the same name? If you truely have identical issue from both trees then the easier route may be to dissolve the marriage link in MRIN 6. That will create two seperate trees, one with Bob and Sally and one with Bob and unknown. Then GED out the correct tree and import it into a new database. If you have made those kinds of duplicates in multiple families I am not sure of the best fix. How about reverting to a backup created before the mess was made? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > Well, yeah, but that's not what's happened. :( > > I have Bob Jones and Sally Rogers MRIN 3; when I swap them > so Sally's parents show, I get the little box OTHER > MARRIAGES, which shows a 2nd marriage to Bob Jones MRIN 6. > When Bob's parents show, there's no OTHER MARRIAGES box. > > There ought to be a way to say MRIN3 and MRIN6 are the same > "event" "couple" "persons" and to merge the two Marriages. > > And yes, both MRINs had issue, so merging Bob with Bob and > Sally with Sally doubles the number of issue; and since most > of Bob's issue also has issue who have issue ... > > As I said, MY fault, I'm just looking for a > faster/better/cheaper way to fix it. > > Cheryl > > Gaylon Findlay wrote: > >> Cheryl: >> >> Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you >> have two copies each of Bob and Sally. >> >> Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. >> The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in >> marriage MRIN 6. >> >> Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have >> two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and >> that is RIN 1. So now you have: >> >> Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. >> Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN >> 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. >> >> Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end >> up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in >> the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since >> MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically >> merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. >> MRIN 6 will be gone. >> >> In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you >> merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. Concentrate >> on merging the individuals, and the marriages should take care of >> themselves. >> >> Gaylon >> >> PS. If the original RIN 1=RIN 2 couple had children, and the original >> RIN 4=RIN 5 couple had a duplicate set of children, then you will >> eventually have to merge the children. >> >> >> >> >> singhals wrote: >> >>> I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no >>> question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. >>> >>> Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in >>> numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is >>> there a way to merge the marriage records? >>> >>> (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db >>> floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses >>> seems to result in duplicate children which then also need >>> merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) >>> >>> If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? >>> >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > There should be no attachments on this message, unless I > specifically mentioned them above. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cheryl, Merging the duplicate parents will not create duplicate children. They must already be in the database. You may have accidentally imported a gedcom that contained people who were already in your database. If the duplicates originated from the same database at some point, PAF does have the ability to do automatic merges based on unique identification numbers and Ancestral File Numbers. It is certainly worth a try. Tools menu | Match/Merge Backup your file, using a new and descriptive name. Match Primarily on | Unique record identification numbers Merge | Automatically merge duplicates OK Find | OK Next Match ... It should take only a few minutes. Then try the same process, but select Match Primarily on | Ancestral File Numbers When it works, it is like magic. If it messes up, you can restore your backup, and say "That was 10 minutes wasted!" If the duplicates did not originate from the same database, PAF Insight may be your best bet. Of course, if there has been no connection made between the original people and the duplicates, you can select one person and All Related and export them to a new file. But it appears that you have started merging them. Let us know how things go. Biull Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > > -- > There should be no attachments on this message, unless I > specifically mentioned them above. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1176 - Release Date: 12/6/2007 11:15 PM > >

Despite a seeming lifetime of use of PAF - merging in basic PAF fills me with dread and I have rarely got it right - and never really know why I got it right or more often when - and I have - had similar results to you with merged marriages. I now do any PAF merging in PAFInsight - which gets it right every time. Remember - essentially you are merging individuals (not marriages) - if the merged individuals have been married to different people - you will get correctly, multiple marriages - however, if the merged individuals have from their respective different databases been married to the same individual - the result will be multiple marriages to the same individual & corresponding multiple children. In such cases care must be taken to ensure that the two merged records are not married to the same spouse. The above paragraph may take some unravelling - but use PAFInsight - it's easier. Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals Sent: 07 December 2007 02:11 To: [email protected] Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is there a way to merge the marriage records? (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses seems to result in duplicate children which then also need merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pardon my stupidity please but? Couldn't we just delete one marriage? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaylon Findlay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > Cheryl: > > Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you > have two copies each of Bob and Sally. > > Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. > The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in > marriage MRIN 6. > > Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have > two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and > that is RIN 1. So now you have: > > Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. > Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN > 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. > > Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end > up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in > the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since > MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically > merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. > MRIN 6 will be gone. > > In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you > merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. Concentrate > on merging the individuals, and the marriages should take care of > themselves. >

Uhhh ... I'm not sure I understand what you think I said? (g) I'll try PAFI ... not much to lose, I guess. Thanks, Stewart. Cheryl Stewart Millar wrote: > Despite a seeming lifetime of use of PAF - merging in basic PAF fills me > with dread and I have rarely got it right - and never really know why I got > it right or more often when - and I have - had similar results to you with > merged marriages. > > I now do any PAF merging in PAFInsight - which gets it right every time. > > Remember - essentially you are merging individuals (not marriages) - if the > merged individuals have been married to different people - you will get > correctly, multiple marriages - however, if the merged individuals have from > their respective different databases been married to the same individual - > the result will be multiple marriages to the same individual & corresponding > multiple children. In such cases care must be taken to ensure that the two > merged records are not married to the same spouse. > > The above paragraph may take some unravelling - but use PAFInsight - it's > easier. > > Regards, > Stewart > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals > Sent: 07 December 2007 02:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is there a way to merge the marriage records? (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses seems to result in duplicate children which then also need merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Cheryl: Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you have two copies each of Bob and Sally. Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and that is RIN 1. So now you have: Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. MRIN 6 will be gone. In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. Concentrate on merging the individuals, and the marriages should take care of themselves. Gaylon PS. If the original RIN 1=RIN 2 couple had children, and the original RIN 4=RIN 5 couple had a duplicate set of children, then you will eventually have to merge the children. singhals wrote: > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > >

Dick Cazier wrote: > I need some help. > > I have a basic database of over 30,000 individuals. Many of them are not related in any way. The reason is I recorded neighbors of my ancestors, and their genealogy; because their close proximity to my ancestors, I hoped to find marriage ties. In some I did, but mostly didn't. I posted the entire database to RootsWeb, thinking it would help others and thereby my hundreds of hours of research would not be wasted. It wasn't. > > Now I'm at the point where I want to make a separate database that includes just those to whom I have some relationship. I want to include the genealogy of people who married into the family, their ancestry and the descendants of their siblings. > > It looks like a rather complicated job. Can someone give me some help/hints/instruction on the easiest, simplest way to do this? Thanks. > Dick Cazier > Lakewood, CO > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > With PAF's powerful selection mechanisms there are usually more than one way to do things. I think Bill B.'s instructions are more clear than this will be but I present this as a mental exercise: Open your database. Use File | SaveAs to make a new copy with a new name (You never want to make drastic moves like dropping a bunch of people with out a backup. Making a new copy of the database under a new name will leave the old copy as your 'backup'.) In the new database select yourself. Then on the Search Menu select Advanced Focus/Filter. That will open a dialog box. Your name should be showing in the list window and should be highlighted. In the lower left part of that dialog box there is a region labeled 'Relationship Filter'. In the pulldown list select 'All'. Then click the 'Select' button. You should see a 'caret' appear before every name in the list window. Now pulldown the list again and select 'All Related'. Now press the 'Deselect' button. The caret in front of the names should disappear except for people who are un-related to you. Now you can use the 'Delete' button to delete all those unrelated people that have carets in front of their names. For people who want to keep the same RIN number forever this method is better than Bill B's. But Bill's method reclaims the space used by the delete names. My method will leave the .paf file the same size as it was before you delete the unrelated people.

Dick Cazier wrote: > I need some help. > > I have a basic database of over 30,000 individuals. Many of them are not related in any way. The reason is I recorded neighbors of my ancestors, and their genealogy; because their close proximity to my ancestors, I hoped to find marriage ties. In some I did, but mostly didn't. I posted the entire database to RootsWeb, thinking it would help others and thereby my hundreds of hours of research would not be wasted. It wasn't. > > Now I'm at the point where I want to make a separate database that includes just those to whom I have some relationship. I want to include the genealogy of people who married into the family, their ancestry and the descendants of their siblings. > > It looks like a rather complicated job. Can someone give me some help/hints/instruction on the easiest, simplest way to do this? Thanks. > Dick Cazier > Lakewood, CO > I _think_ it's sort of not complicated ... pick yourself, then ADVANCED SEARCH, and select (1) all ancestral-related AND (2) all descendant-related. One of those two will pick up everyone who has even the slightest link to anyone in the database. Now GED that out and create a new database into which you IMPORT the GED. OTOH, if you linked the neighbors to one of your ancestors as a DISPROVEN CHILD (which I've seen some folks do), you're right, it's rather complicated. (g) Then you get to search on that relationship and UNlink all those dudes before you do the other bit I mentioned above. Try not to do this New Year's Eve. ;) Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Dick, It seems to me that you could export a gedcom file, select yourself, and All Related. Then create a new PAF file with a new name and import that gedcom. The new file should only contain yourself and the people who are related to you in some way. This becomes your new working file, and the old file gets stored on a CD or in a special folder for files that you are not currently working on. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Cazier" <[email protected]> To: "PAF5 Users" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Separating Databases > I need some help. > > I have a basic database of over 30,000 individuals. Many of them are not related in any way. The reason is I recorded neighbors of my ancestors, and their genealogy; because their close proximity to my ancestors, I hoped to find marriage ties. In some I did, but mostly didn't. I posted the entire database to RootsWeb, thinking it would help others and thereby my hundreds of hours of research would not be wasted. It wasn't. > > Now I'm at the point where I want to make a separate database that includes just those to whom I have some relationship. I want to include the genealogy of people who married into the family, their ancestry and the descendants of their siblings. > > It looks like a rather complicated job. Can someone give me some help/hints/instruction on the easiest, simplest way to do this? Thanks. > Dick Cazier > Lakewood, CO > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM > >

Yes, Tom, it is wise not to reveal the history of such family members. I have one that horrified me too, when I examined his records in our state archives. The fact that his "deed" is officially recorded means that some other researcher of this family line could quite possibly unearth the same document at anytime in the future. Needless to say I have not recorded anything about this public record in my records, other than the fact he died in jail. None of my immediate family are aware of the full record in the archives. Perhaps one of these days the question will arise as to "why" he died in jail when someone peruses my records. Until then, his secret is my secret. Lance On Nov 25, 2007 4:28 PM, Tom Sevy <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a Deviant in my family like you wouldn't believe. I found out about > this strictly by accident. I prefer that others not know about it. I have > written an account without names or dates and have changed the noun that > describes the action so I can recall the details if I wish to. But, and I > hope I am right, I really don't think that anyone would be able to identify > the person or the issue. If it dies with me, so be it. Knowing about it will > not help anyone. > > If other family members ask if I know anything about this person, I will say > that I know they were troubled and created a lot of heartache for their > parents. That is quite enough. > > Tom in SLC

I need some help. I have a basic database of over 30,000 individuals. Many of them are not related in any way. The reason is I recorded neighbors of my ancestors, and their genealogy; because their close proximity to my ancestors, I hoped to find marriage ties. In some I did, but mostly didn't. I posted the entire database to RootsWeb, thinking it would help others and thereby my hundreds of hours of research would not be wasted. It wasn't. Now I'm at the point where I want to make a separate database that includes just those to whom I have some relationship. I want to include the genealogy of people who married into the family, their ancestry and the descendants of their siblings. It looks like a rather complicated job. Can someone give me some help/hints/instruction on the easiest, simplest way to do this? Thanks. Dick Cazier Lakewood, CO

Oops! You're right. I haven't added a confidential note for so long I forgot the code. Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Buchanan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 24 November, 2007 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Social deviants > Lila, > > I think you mean to use ~ to create a confidential note > For example: > > ~ This note would be confidential. > > !This note would be printed on reports. > > > Bill Buchanan > > >> I agree that it's hard to figure out what to tell, but I am inclined to >> create confidential notes with !. You have to double space or maybe >> triple >> space after the confidentical note, so that the remainder of your notes > will >> print when you ask for that function. Depending on something technical in >> PAF that I don't understand, it doesn't always work that way; so to be on >> the safe side, use the ! before each confidential paragraph. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >