Great Idea Bill. I don't often put in my 2 cents, but to all of you thanks for all the help in 2007 and a very extra Merry Christmas and the happiest and most blessing filled New Year. May all your stockings be filled with ancestors. Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Buchanan<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Thanks again Laverne, Have you tried running PAF from a flash drive? To do so, you copy the PAF5 folder to the flash drive from C:\progam files\familysearch\ (Copy it, don't Move it!) and copy your PAF data file too. Then in the flash drive, open the PAF5 folder and double-click on paf5.exe That way you can run PAF on any Windows computer with Windows2000 or higher - even if the computer doesn't have PAF installed. ... or on the other hand, you can just relax and enjoy a special holiday with the family. Have a wonderful Christmas! Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- > We're off to spend Christmas with our daughters in Maryland and New York. They don't have PAF on their computers so I won't be doing any work there. But may you all have great visits with your relatives. > > LaVerne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard and Marilyn, Try the simpler procedure, as given in my lastest message to Laverne. I know it seems too easy to work, but it does! The process takes about 5 minutes and there is no need to uninstall or reinstall PAF. Just copy the installed PAF5 folder from a computer that has PAF5 installed. And copy data files as well, so PAF has something to work on. Then try running PAF from the flashdrive on a computer that doesn't have PAF installed. It works! The computer should be running Windows2000 or newer (otherwise the required USB drivers may not be there). Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Rands" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Flashdrive > You will have to install the PAF5 software on the flash drive, which > will have to be done from a machine that does not already have PAF > installed on it. The install program checks to see if PAF is already > installed on your computer and if it finds it, it will only allow you > to update it. To get it to install on a flashdrive, you must first > uninstall it from you computer, then install it on the > flashdrive. Then remove the flashdrive and reinstall it on your > computer. None of this will have any effect on your database. > > Richard Rands > > > At 05:51 PM 12/20/2007 -0500, [email protected] wrote: > >Hi. Do I need to download PAF.5 from FamilySearch to my flashdrive before I > >can make a copy of my PAF Gedcom to it? I tried to do it once, but > >there didn't > >seem to be any way to download other than to a disk or floppy. It needs to go > >to Removable disk (F:)Thanks for any help. Marilyn

Laverne, Have you tried running PAF from a flash drive? To do so, you copy the PAF5 folder to the flash drive from C:\progam files\familysearch\ (Copy it, don't Move it!) and copy your PAF data file too. Then in the flash drive, open the PAF5 folder and double-click on paf5.exe That way you can run PAF on any Windows computer with Windows2000 or higher - even if the computer doesn't have PAF installed. ... or on the other hand, you can just relax and enjoy a special holiday with the family. Have a wonderful Christmas! Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- > We're off to spend Christmas with our daughters in Maryland and New York. They don't have PAF on their computers so I won't be doing any work there. But may you all have great visits with your relatives. > > LaVerne

Downloading PAF5 to your flashdrive would do nothing. It is a program that has to be installed and has nothing to do with where a GEDCOM would be written. If you have a problem with the GEDCOM, just write it to your harddrive and then copy it from there to your flash drive (the copy would be from Windows Explorer, not PAF5). Bill > Hi. Do I need to download PAF.5 from FamilySearch to my flashdrive > before I > can make a copy of my PAF Gedcom to it? I tried to do it once, but > there didn't > seem to be any way to download other than to a disk or floppy. It > needs to go > to Removable disk (F:)Thanks for any help. Marilyn >

Hi. Do I need to download PAF.5 from FamilySearch to my flashdrive before I can make a copy of my PAF Gedcom to it? I tried to do it once, but there didn't seem to be any way to download other than to a disk or floppy. It needs to go to Removable disk (F:)Thanks for any help. Marilyn **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

You will have to install the PAF5 software on the flash drive, which will have to be done from a machine that does not already have PAF installed on it. The install program checks to see if PAF is already installed on your computer and if it finds it, it will only allow you to update it. To get it to install on a flashdrive, you must first uninstall it from you computer, then install it on the flashdrive. Then remove the flashdrive and reinstall it on your computer. None of this will have any effect on your database. Richard Rands At 05:51 PM 12/20/2007 -0500, [email protected] wrote: >Hi. Do I need to download PAF.5 from FamilySearch to my flashdrive before I >can make a copy of my PAF Gedcom to it? I tried to do it once, but >there didn't >seem to be any way to download other than to a disk or floppy. It needs to go >to Removable disk (F:)Thanks for any help. Marilyn > > > >**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cheryl, Gary and Bill, I seem to have things running OK now. I have upgraded two files at WordConnect and reentered the little bit I had lost in my home file. I'll keep your letters on file. I do know the difference between Gedcom and Backup although my letter did not make that clear. When I used the small 22 individual file as a test, I used it once to make a Gedcom in my documents and another time to make a backup on a flash drive.. We're off to spend Christmas with our daughters in Maryland and New York. They don't have PAF on their computers so I won't be doing any work there. But may you all have great visits with your relatives. LaVerne [email protected] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Default (Read only) (singhals) 2. Good Advice -Thank you (LaVerne) 3. Re: Good Advice -Thank you (Gary Templeman) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:49:47 -0500 From: singhals Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Default (Read only) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed LaVerne wrote: > How do I get read of the Default (Read only) in the Templates section. I don't remember putting it there. But when I try to add a backup file from my flash drive it will only give me a read only file. I don't think you CAN get rid of it. And anyway, the Templates are the field names, so why would you want to change them? However, generally speaking, in PAF, you can't "add" a backup file to any existing data. Backup files (.bak or .zip) have to be Restored. To add the content of a .bak file to paf, you have to "restore" then EXPORT as GED, then IMPORT the ged. > > Now I can only get a temporary file -read only- of the file I backed up ealier today. I don't understand exactly what the problem here is, and how it relates to the Templates one, so I'd sooner not say anything. > > And I can't seem to make a gedcom on either a flash drive or a floppy. I would like to update my files on World Connect. When you see the EXPORT window that asks for a file name for the GED, the very top bar is where you tell the program where to put the file. You OUGHT to be able to specify A:\ for a floppy or some other letter for the flash. Unless someone has tried to "help" you with your computer set-up (g) default is the paf5 directory on C:\ Can you change it to the drive letter for whereever you want it to end up? Cheryl ----------------------------- ----------------------------- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:26:21 -0800 From: "Gary Templeman" Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Good Advice -Thank you To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "LaVerne" > > Is it wise to have one PAF file for a particular family that one works > on, and restores on, but another for the same family that is completely > static? > > I'd really panic if I didn't know I had this list to help me out. Again a > big Thank you. > > LaVerne > Based on the questions you have asked, I think it is best for people in your situation to have one file, period. By that I mean that if you are doing your own genealogy, you should have one file starting with yourself, then adding your ancestors (and/or descendents if desired). If you are also doing the work for your husband or someone else you *may* want to have a separate file for that line. You certainly *could* have other files for unique lines but the more files you have the more difficult it becomes to keep everything straight. I would NOT have another file that is kept static because that simply means it is out of date and incorrect, and many people accidentally add or delete from the wrong file and screw themselves up royally, ending up with some current data in one file and some in the other. Remember the KIS principle. Have your single working file, then use the backup function to make backups and simply save them. If you give the backups unique names by appending the date you can step back in time if you ever need to restore. But in general, unless you have a need to work with your file on a different computer such as at a FHC, or you mess up your working file, you should not need to be restoring *at all*. Your work flow should be like this. 1. Open your PAF file (will open to your file automatically if you simply close PAF at the end of each session, without closing the file itself first) 2. Do whatever work you want. The work is saved as you go, whenever you click save on an edit screen. 3. When you are ready to finish up, select File_Backup and make the backup file, naming as suggested above. You may need to modify the location where the backup file gets saved if you are using multiple kinds of media such as a flash drive and a floppy. 4. Close PAF The next time go through the same steps. Note that you do not need to restore anything, and there is no need to export or import gedcoms for routine work. 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All; Often when I am teaching PAF classes I am asked the question: "How often should I backup my files?". I like the answer that another person gave. He said "When you have done enough work that you would not like to do it over, make a backup file." Personally, I make a backup file about every twenty minutes when I am working on PAF. Richard L. Halliday "If the Lord wanted the work done perfectly He would not let me help. However, that does not excuse me from trying to do my best." Gary Templeman wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LaVerne" <[email protected]> > <snip> > >> Is it wise to have one PAF file for a particular family that one works >> on, and restores on, but another for the same family that is completely >> static? >> >> I'd really panic if I didn't know I had this list to help me out. Again a >> big Thank you. >> >> LaVerne >> >> > > Based on the questions you have asked, I think it is best for people in your > situation to have one file, period. By that I mean that if you are doing > your own genealogy, you should have one file starting with yourself, then > adding your ancestors (and/or descendents if desired). If you are also doing > the work for your husband or someone else you *may* want to have a separate > file for that line. You certainly *could* have other files for unique lines > but the more files you have the more difficult it becomes to keep everything > straight. I would NOT have another file that is kept static because that > simply means it is out of date and incorrect, and many people accidentally > add or delete from the wrong file and screw themselves up royally, ending up > with some current data in one file and some in the other. Remember the KIS > principle. Have your single working file, then use the backup function to > make backups and simply save them. If you give the backups unique names by > appending the date you can step back in time if you ever need to restore. > But in general, unless you have a need to work with your file on a different > computer such as at a FHC, or you mess up your working file, you should not > need to be restoring *at all*. > > Your work flow should be like this. > > 1. Open your PAF file (will open to your file automatically if you simply > close PAF at the end of each session, without closing the file itself first) > 2. Do whatever work you want. The work is saved as you go, whenever you > click save on an edit screen. > 3. When you are ready to finish up, select File_Backup and make the backup > file, naming as suggested above. You may need to modify the location where > the backup file gets saved if you are using multiple kinds of media such as > a flash drive and a floppy. > 4. Close PAF > > The next time go through the same steps. Note that you do not need to > restore anything, and there is no need to export or import gedcoms for > routine work. > > Gary Templeman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Barbara wrote: > I agree wholeheartedly with Gary's sentiments - Oh, yes. If you're working on a single project or your own family, I can't overstate the case for a single composite database, even if bits are loose "trees" in there. Otherwise, you'll end up not ever knowing whether you put that in this database or that one. Been there, back in floppy days and the clean-up now isn't fun ... and hasn't been for maybe 4 years now. OTOH, if you're doing professional genealogy for hire ... may as well keep each client's work in a separate database so you can be sure you don't share inappropriately. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

----- Original Message ----- From: "LaVerne" <[email protected]> <snip> > > Is it wise to have one PAF file for a particular family that one works > on, and restores on, but another for the same family that is completely > static? > > I'd really panic if I didn't know I had this list to help me out. Again a > big Thank you. > > LaVerne > Based on the questions you have asked, I think it is best for people in your situation to have one file, period. By that I mean that if you are doing your own genealogy, you should have one file starting with yourself, then adding your ancestors (and/or descendents if desired). If you are also doing the work for your husband or someone else you *may* want to have a separate file for that line. You certainly *could* have other files for unique lines but the more files you have the more difficult it becomes to keep everything straight. I would NOT have another file that is kept static because that simply means it is out of date and incorrect, and many people accidentally add or delete from the wrong file and screw themselves up royally, ending up with some current data in one file and some in the other. Remember the KIS principle. Have your single working file, then use the backup function to make backups and simply save them. If you give the backups unique names by appending the date you can step back in time if you ever need to restore. But in general, unless you have a need to work with your file on a different computer such as at a FHC, or you mess up your working file, you should not need to be restoring *at all*. Your work flow should be like this. 1. Open your PAF file (will open to your file automatically if you simply close PAF at the end of each session, without closing the file itself first) 2. Do whatever work you want. The work is saved as you go, whenever you click save on an edit screen. 3. When you are ready to finish up, select File_Backup and make the backup file, naming as suggested above. You may need to modify the location where the backup file gets saved if you are using multiple kinds of media such as a flash drive and a floppy. 4. Close PAF The next time go through the same steps. Note that you do not need to restore anything, and there is no need to export or import gedcoms for routine work. Gary Templeman

Thank you Bob and Bill. I have copied your letters and am learning. I did not know about the * and Windows. I just made a floppy gedcom of a small 22 individual file without a problem. I also used that file to do a Restore. I have been using PAF since maybe PAF2. I know I used PAF3 so I should be more knowledgeable. The problem I have now is that I seem to have lost some of the editing of places I did on PAFINSIGHT. I have now Restored from a flash drive of Nov. 19 which I made before I went to visit my son's family for a week at Thanksgiving. I have not done much since. I restored it on an old file from early August. It seems to be OK except for a few of the corrected spelling changes I made since Thanksgiving. I backup to my husband's computer, and send backups by email to my son in another state. I also use three flash drives. Occasionally I do a floppy, and I have some old Cd's. Yes, I was exploring under Preferences, to see if something had changed. I have never filled in the Folders section, because I can't seem to understand what to put there although you all have tried to explain it to me. Under templates "Individuals" is checked, but I don't know why. Is it better to check "Marriages". I'm afraid I rarely understand what I'm being told under "Help". I still have my PAF4 manual which is sometimes helpful. Is it wise to have one PAF file for a particular family that one works on, and restores on, but another for the same family that is completely static? I'd really panic if I didn't know I had this list to help me out. Again a big Thank you. LaVerne

LaVerne wrote: > How do I get read of the Default (Read only) in the Templates section. I don't remember putting it there. But when I try to add a backup file from my flash drive it will only give me a read only file. I don't think you CAN get rid of it. And anyway, the Templates are the field names, so why would you want to change them? However, generally speaking, in PAF, you can't "add" a backup file to any existing data. Backup files (.bak or .zip) have to be Restored. To add the content of a .bak file to paf, you have to "restore" then EXPORT as GED, then IMPORT the ged. > > Now I can only get a temporary file -read only- of the file I backed up ealier today. I don't understand exactly what the problem here is, and how it relates to the Templates one, so I'd sooner not say anything. > > And I can't seem to make a gedcom on either a flash drive or a floppy. I would like to update my files on World Connect. When you see the EXPORT window that asks for a file name for the GED, the very top bar is where you tell the program where to put the file. You OUGHT to be able to specify A:\ for a floppy or some other letter for the flash. Unless someone has tried to "help" you with your computer set-up (g) default is the paf5 directory on C:\ Can you change it to the drive letter for whereever you want it to end up? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

The default comes as Read Only (so you can't erase it and mess it up). You can create another template if you wish and make that one active. Bill Buchanan gave a good overview of items he expects may be issues for you. Your discussion of backups and such are confusing because it is not clear if you are talking about PAF backup files that are Zip file or a Windows typc backup or copy. That is where Bill's response was an attempt to fill in the gaps and provide you a response. You seem to have such a mixture of advanced and elementary topics it is hard to judge what the problems are - and Bill did a great job. If you have more questions, you might provide more detail of how you are doing something, what options your are selecting, and such. That way an answer can be much more focussed. Hopefully folks were able to help your current problems, but more detail will be more useful for future responses to questions. Bill > How do I get read of the Default (Read only) in the Templates section. I don't remember putting it there. But when I try to add a backup file from my flash drive it will only give me a read only file. > > Now I can only get a temporary file -read only- of the file I backed up ealier today. > > And I can't seem to make a gedcom on either a flash drive or a floppy. I would like to update my files on World Connect. > > LaVerne >

LaVerne, You seem to be a new PAF user, who is exploring the program and trying to understand how it works. The default Template is not the source of your problems. It is the set of data fields you use when you edit an individual or marriage. (Full Name:, Sex:, Birth:, etc) You can't get rid of it, as it is a part of the program that you use each time you do an edit. (Some advanced PAF users create custom templates.) How are you trying to add a backup file? Backup files can only be Restored. (If you restore a backup file to a location that already has a file of that name, Windows will replace the existing file with a new PAF file created from the backup. That seems to be the situation you are describing.) I give each backup a unique name to prevent them from accidentally replacing a file I want to keep. I restore PAF files from a flash drive quite frequently and find that it works well, so long as I wait to get permission from Windows before unplugging the flash drive. Note that your data is saved by PAF each time you click Save to add data. It looks like you are trying to use Backup as a File Save command. Backup has a different purpose, in that it creates an emergency backup of the file. If you just work in PAF normally, and leave your file OPEN when you exit PAF, your file will automatically open the next time you start PAF. Just try it! No data is lost. You can just carry on from where you left off. The working copy of my main PAF file is in Windows MyDocuments folder, but I have backups on 3 flash drives, some CDs, and an online account ... just in case! A frequent problem when people are making gedcoms from PAF is that they don't realize Windows won't allow them to use an asterisk ( * ) in a file name. So JonesFamily*.ged is NOT allowed by Windows, but JonesFamily.ged IS allowed. Another frequent problem is that people don't watch the location the gedcom is saved to, so they can't find it and assume that it wasn't created. You will find three good sources of help in PAF's Help menu: Getting Started Guide, User's Guide (198 pages long), and PAF lessons. You can always send email to this forum, where there are hundreds of experienced PAF users who can give you the benefit of their experience. There are thousands of Family History Centers, where you can come in and get free one-on-one help with PAF, and there may be one nearby. (You can search on the home page of www.familysearch.org for the closest one.) So with PAF, there is always plenty of help. I am not exaggerating about the availability of Family History Centers. I live in a rural area of Alberta, Canada where the nearest city has a population of less than 20,000 yet there are at least 3 FHCs within an hour's drive of my house. I hope this is helpful. If not, there are lots of other people who can help. Bill Buchanan > How do I get read of the Default (Read only) in the Templates section. I don't remember putting it there. But when I try to add a backup file from my flash drive it will only give me a read only file. > > Now I can only get a temporary file -read only- of the file I backed up ealier today. > > And I can't seem to make a gedcom on either a flash drive or a floppy. I would like to update my files on World Connect. > > LaVerne

How do I get read of the Default (Read only) in the Templates section. I don't remember putting it there. But when I try to add a backup file from my flash drive it will only give me a read only file. Now I can only get a temporary file -read only- of the file I backed up ealier today. And I can't seem to make a gedcom on either a flash drive or a floppy. I would like to update my files on World Connect. LaVerne

Dear Listers, The "Book" series of files have been very popular downloads from my website www.familyhistoryguide.com. Book One helps members get organized and is a great interest generator. Due in part to your interest in and comments made about these free files, I have recently revised all of the files involved and even created a new file. That's the good news. The bad news is that you will have to download the files again to see the changes. I think you will like the changes. book-one.pdf book-two.pdf book-dsc.pdf book-ins.pub book-ins.doc Go to the website and click on the free download button. Click on the "other" category. Then look for each file. Right click on the file name and then click "save as" and download to your computer. In addition, I have created a new file: book-enh.pdf This important new file instructs you on how you can use the reports from the GenCharts for PAF program to enhance your books. It also tells you how you can use the program even if you don't use PAF as your main genealogy program. It can be downloaded from the same area of the website. I have also updated the fh-train.pdf file in the wards and stakes category. This file is an excellent guide for consultants to use in working with ward members who want to get started with their family history. Please everyone, would you let me and the other listers know what you think of the new and revised files. Also, would the family history center directors on these lists please let me know if you have a color printer in your center. I am considering giving a free copy of the GenCharts for PAF program to any famly history center that wants it and has a color printer. Please send me your replies direct ([email protected]) rather than through the lists. Include your FHC number (example 3341356), your center name and location (town and state or province), and your name (directors only please). Merry Christmas Lynn Mower, website owner

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/my-bad.html : Shakespeare used the term with something like the current meaning, in his Sonnet 112. Cheryl Alan Whitcomb wrote: > Goodness! I am supposed to be an "English teacher" .. what does "my > bad" .. mean? What is the subject? Where did this strange phrase > originate? Please, can someone help me? I do not live in the U.S . > > > > On Dec 7, 2007 3:10 AM, singhals <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > > -- > There should be no attachments on this message, unless I > specifically mentioned them above. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Just to muddy the water a bit. I know that I do not have a solution for merging marriages, though I think there is a way. Before you do merge them, be careful. It may be that they have been married multiple times. I remember there is a couple in my HS class that was on their 4th time around, married to each other. Bill > Well, yeah, but that's not what's happened. :( > > I have Bob Jones and Sally Rogers MRIN 3; when I swap them > so Sally's parents show, I get the little box OTHER > MARRIAGES, which shows a 2nd marriage to Bob Jones MRIN 6. > When Bob's parents show, there's no OTHER MARRIAGES box. > > There ought to be a way to say MRIN3 and MRIN6 are the same > "event" "couple" "persons" and to merge the two Marriages. > > And yes, both MRINs had issue, so merging Bob with Bob and > Sally with Sally doubles the number of issue; and since most > of Bob's issue also has issue who have issue ... > > As I said, MY fault, I'm just looking for a > faster/better/cheaper way to fix it. > > Cheryl

There is a VERY easy solution to this problem. Take your PAF 5 database to your local FHC, and use PAF Insight on a your database. I purchased PAF Insight (found at ohanasoftware.com) and regularly do this to others databases.. It merges better than PAF, and allows for changing RINs too. It's nice to buy for yourself but they offer it free to the FHCs. It has some other nice features.. but I am sure people can tell that I am a big fan of the product! Alan On Dec 7, 2007 10:38 PM, Val Olds <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've encountered this in the past with my data. Assuming that > for the two marriages, both husbands had the same RIN and both wives had > the same RIN, I reviewed both marriages to make sure that all the > children in both listed marriages have been identified into the one > marriage (in some cases I had to add the child manually) that I wanted > to retain. I also validated the date, place information for the > marriage was correct as well on the marriage I wanted to retain. Once > the children and the marriage information was correct, I then simply > deleted the marriage I wanted to get rid of. This resulted in not > merging the two marriages, but ultimately resulted in just the one > marriage for the husband and wife that I wanted in the first place.

I've encountered this in the past with my data. Assuming that for the two marriages, both husbands had the same RIN and both wives had the same RIN, I reviewed both marriages to make sure that all the children in both listed marriages have been identified into the one marriage (in some cases I had to add the child manually) that I wanted to retain. I also validated the date, place information for the marriage was correct as well on the marriage I wanted to retain. Once the children and the marriage information was correct, I then simply deleted the marriage I wanted to get rid of. This resulted in not merging the two marriages, but ultimately resulted in just the one marriage for the husband and wife that I wanted in the first place. The down side is that I now had a gap in the MRIN numbers when looking at the marriage list but at least the marriage was no longer there, but that happens all the time when merging individual records that then automatically merge marriages as Gaylon indicated in his message. Hope this helps. THANKS, Val Olds -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288 Today's Topics: 1. Can I merge marriages? (singhals) 2. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Stewart Millar) 3. Re: Can I merge marriages? (singhals) 4. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Gaylon Findlay) 5. Re: Can I merge marriages? (Bill Linn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:32 -0500 From: singhals <[email protected]> Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is there a way to merge the marriage records? (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses seems to result in duplicate children which then also need merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:02:06 -0000 From: "Stewart Millar" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Despite a seeming lifetime of use of PAF - merging in basic PAF fills me with dread and I have rarely got it right - and never really know why I got it right or more often when - and I have - had similar results to you with merged marriages. I now do any PAF merging in PAFInsight - which gets it right every time. Remember - essentially you are merging individuals (not marriages) - if the merged individuals have been married to different people - you will get correctly, multiple marriages - however, if the merged individuals have from their respective different databases been married to the same individual - the result will be multiple marriages to the same individual & corresponding multiple children. In such cases care must be taken to ensure that the two merged records are not married to the same spouse. The above paragraph may take some unravelling - but use PAFInsight - it's easier. Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals Sent: 07 December 2007 02:11 To: [email protected] Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is there a way to merge the marriage records? (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses seems to result in duplicate children which then also need merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:19:52 -0500 From: singhals <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Uhhh ... I'm not sure I understand what you think I said? (g) I'll try PAFI ... not much to lose, I guess. Thanks, Stewart. Cheryl Stewart Millar wrote: > Despite a seeming lifetime of use of PAF - merging in basic PAF fills me > with dread and I have rarely got it right - and never really know why I got > it right or more often when - and I have - had similar results to you with > merged marriages. > > I now do any PAF merging in PAFInsight - which gets it right every time. > > Remember - essentially you are merging individuals (not marriages) - if the > merged individuals have been married to different people - you will get > correctly, multiple marriages - however, if the merged individuals have from > their respective different databases been married to the same individual - > the result will be multiple marriages to the same individual & corresponding > multiple children. In such cases care must be taken to ensure that the two > merged records are not married to the same spouse. > > The above paragraph may take some unravelling - but use PAFInsight - it's > easier. > > Regards, > Stewart > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals > Sent: 07 December 2007 02:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:30:29 -0700 From: Gaylon Findlay <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Cheryl: Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you have two copies each of Bob and Sally. Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and that is RIN 1. So now you have: Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. MRIN 6 will be gone. In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. Concentrate on merging the individuals, and the marriages should take care of themselves. Gaylon PS. If the original RIN 1=RIN 2 couple had children, and the original RIN 4=RIN 5 couple had a duplicate set of children, then you will eventually have to merge the children. singhals wrote: > I know exactly what I did, why, and how. My bad, no > question about it. I even know the hard way to fix it. > > Question *IS*, is there an easy way? What I did resulted in > numerous people being married twice to the same person. Is > there a way to merge the marriage records? > > (If I just unlink one of 'em, they're still in the db > floating around in the alpha reports. Merging the spouses > seems to result in duplicate children which then also need > merging creating duplicate grandchildren etc etc.) > > If PAF won't merge marriages, will Legacy? > > Cheryl > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:49:09 -0500 From: "Bill Linn" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pardon my stupidity please but? Couldn't we just delete one marriage? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaylon Findlay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Can I merge marriages? > Cheryl: > > Let's say that you have "Bob Jones" married to "Sally Rogers". And you > have two copies each of Bob and Sally. > > Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. > The second Bob (RIN 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in > marriage MRIN 6. > > Once you merge the two copies of Bob (RINs 1 and 4), you will still have > two marriages (MRINs 3 and 6). There will only be one copy of Bob, and > that is RIN 1. So now you have: > > Bob (RIN 1) is married to Sally (RIN 2), and the marriage is MRIN 3. > Bob (RIN 1 -- remember, he's been merged, and there is no longer a RIN > 4) is married to the second Sally (RIN 5) in marriage MRIN 6. > > Now, when you merge the two copies of Sally (RINs 2 and 5), you will end > up with only one copy of Sally, and that will be RIN 2. At this point in > the merge process, PAF should be smart enough to recognize that since > MRIN 3 and MRIN 6 both have the same two partners, it will automatically > merge the two marriages. So you will end up only with marriage MRIN 3. > MRIN 6 will be gone. > > In summary, any time you have two copies of the same marriage, once you > merge the two partners, the extra marriage will be merged. Concentrate > on merging the individuals, and the marriages should take care of > themselves. > ------------------------------ To contact the PAF-5-USERS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the PAF-5-USERS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288 *******************************************