Thanks for your vote for PAF over Legacy. I had my PAF database replicate and then I had 2 strokes-- talk about challenge! I'm slowly coming back. Used to type 90 plus words a min---now I hunt and peck with one finger on my right hand. Thank goodness I'm right handed, and I married the Best!!!

Yeah, I know I _could_ switch to Legacy Family Tree, but I have grown somewhat inured to PAF5's peculiarities and don't actually need the stress of the blisters switching would cause. So, next time someone is futzing around with PAF5, could you give some thought to the Possible Problms report? Could we specify WHICH problem we're looking for? And could a sanity check on dates be run? I mean, 8 pages of Possible Problems and the birthdate of 2869 didn't show up??? I don't actually need to know that the relatives in India, all of whom are in my database with the umbrella caste name rather than the myriad subcaste names, largely because we don't know who uses which and when, all have the same last name. Yeah, I know. And it's NOT A PROBLEM. Also NOT A PROBLEM is the great-uncle who died aged 105 or the GGGGGF who was 113 when he died. I can prove the first and legal documents certainly support the 2nd so quit harping on it! And could you USE the Bef or AFT labels in the date field? "born bef 1871 married 1876" doesn't make her 5 when she married! Nor does "died aft 1887" mean her last child, born in 1887, was posthumous. Fixing that will eliminate 3 or 4 pages of that 8page report, and if I had the REAL data, it'd be in there. Geez-Louise. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

My condolences Richard and all. I see Dr. Nibley died in April 2005 and was put to rest in a casket his son handmade for him. He was 94. It must be hard to lose someone you admire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Halliday" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Hugh Nibley & PAF 5 > All; > By way of explanation for the quote from Hugh Nibley that I put at > the bottom of my last message I offer the following: > In 1951 I transferred to BYU (open enrollment; I would not have > made the cut today) as a Physics and Math major. As such my instructors > were all intelligent or very intelligent people. As a treat to myself I > enrolled in "Early Oriental History" by Dr. Hugh Nibley. I soon decided > that he was the most intelligent man I had ever met. > In all of my other classes I was able to take comprehensive notes > while the instructor was lecturing. In Bro. Nibley's class I > immediately found that the information content of his lecture was so > dense that it was necessary for me to alternately listen and then write > my notes (thus missing much of what he said). He did not speak rapidly, > but the information content of his words was high. > One day he came in and in his usual manner began the lecture as he > entered the doorway. This time to my surprise I was able to write my > notes while he was talking. He was reading from a book and speaking > slowly and deliberately. > After a few minutes one of the guys put up his hand and asked: "Dr. > Nibley What are you reading?". Answer: "Don't worry about it." A few > minutes later the same person again requested the title of the book in > Dr. Nibley's hand. Answer: "It wouldn't do you any good." Finally the > same person (dummy) insisted upon the title stating that he wanted to > read it for himself. Bro. Nibley then turned the book so that we could > see the pages from which he was reading. It was a copy of the Book of > the Dead in the original hieroglyphic! At that time I was very > impressed. Since then I have read much more on the subject of > translating the Egyptian writing and have a better understanding of just > how difficult it is to do. In fact Nibley himself has said that while > we know what words those glyphs represent, we have not been able to > translate one single document from Egyptian Hieroglyphic! > And to think that I complain at the problems I have in researching > my genealogy! > Cheers, > Richard L. Halliday > "If the Lord wanted a job perfectly done He would > not let me help. > "However, that does not excuse me from doing the > best job that I can."

Richard Halliday wrote: > All; > By way of explanation for the quote from Hugh Nibley that I put at (G) Thanks. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Bill Buchanan wrote: > So you were NOT having a "blonde moment". (G) Good to know. Thanks. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

All; By way of explanation for the quote from Hugh Nibley that I put at the bottom of my last message I offer the following: In 1951 I transferred to BYU (open enrollment; I would not have made the cut today) as a Physics and Math major. As such my instructors were all intelligent or very intelligent people. As a treat to myself I enrolled in "Early Oriental History" by Dr. Hugh Nibley. I soon decided that he was the most intelligent man I had ever met. In all of my other classes I was able to take comprehensive notes while the instructor was lecturing. In Bro. Nibley's class I immediately found that the information content of his lecture was so dense that it was necessary for me to alternately listen and then write my notes (thus missing much of what he said). He did not speak rapidly, but the information content of his words was high. One day he came in and in his usual manner began the lecture as he entered the doorway. This time to my surprise I was able to write my notes while he was talking. He was reading from a book and speaking slowly and deliberately. After a few minutes one of the guys put up his hand and asked: "Dr. Nibley What are you reading?". Answer: "Don't worry about it." A few minutes later the same person again requested the title of the book in Dr. Nibley's hand. Answer: "It wouldn't do you any good." Finally the same person (dummy) insisted upon the title stating that he wanted to read it for himself. Bro. Nibley then turned the book so that we could see the pages from which he was reading. It was a copy of the Book of the Dead in the original hieroglyphic! At that time I was very impressed. Since then I have read much more on the subject of translating the Egyptian writing and have a better understanding of just how difficult it is to do. In fact Nibley himself has said that while we know what words those glyphs represent, we have not been able to translate one single document from Egyptian Hieroglyphic! And to think that I complain at the problems I have in researching my genealogy! Cheers, Richard L. Halliday "If the Lord wanted a job perfectly done He would not let me help. "However, that does not excuse me from doing the best job that I can."

Cheryl, Dr. Hugh Nibley was a brilliant (if eccentric) epigrapher who was the subject of many stories that border on the legendary. Epigraphers are people who translate ancient writings. One of his collegues was onced asked "Is Hugh Nibley as good at translating old inscriptions as people say he is?" "No", replied the colleague, "No one is THAT good, not even Hugh Nibley! But he is still amazing. A few of us had spent several days working on an inscription on an Egyptian sarcophagus, but the translation still wasn't quite right. Dr. Nibley came in and took one look at it and immediately told us what it said. Once we knew, we could verify that it said exactly what he had told us." References to Hugh Nibley tend to be the stuff of legend, and are not always understandable, even to his students and his readers. So you were NOT having a "blonde moment". Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Start PAF with a specific database > Richard Halliday wrote: > > > > Remember the observation of Hugh Nibley: "These people! They > > act as if they were Terrans. Have they forgotten that they are > > Kolob-ites!?" So lets work to get back to there; it is a far, far > > better place then Terra (Earth). > > At the risk of sounding blonder than necessary -- huh? :) > > Cheryl

Richard Halliday wrote: > Remember the observation of Hugh Nibley: "These people! They > act as if they were Terrans. Have they forgotten that they are > Kolob-ites!?" So lets work to get back to there; it is a far, far > better place then Terra (Earth). At the risk of sounding blonder than necessary -- huh? :) Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Its an LDS inside joke. Yes Richard we really should be working harder. P. ----- Original Message ----- From: singhals<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Start PAF with a specific database Richard Halliday wrote: > Remember the observation of Hugh Nibley: "These people! They > act as if they were Terrans. Have they forgotten that they are > Kolob-ites!?" So lets work to get back to there; it is a far, far > better place then Terra (Earth). At the risk of sounding blonder than necessary -- huh? :) Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, To put an installed copy of PAF on a flash drive: 1. open MyComputer (This is usually done from the Windows Start menu or a desktop icon), 2. open the My Programs folder 3. open the FamilySearch folder 4. copy the PAF5 folder (don't open it and don't move it) to the flash drive. (If it is a U3 flash drive, copy the PAF5 folder to the highest drive letter on the flash drive.) The process takes maybe 5 minutes. To run PAF from the flash drive, open the PAF5 folder on the flash drive and open the file pstart.exe or paf5.exe (Both seem to work. I am not sure what the difference is, but the shortcut installed by PAF points to pstart.exe.) You can, of course create a shortcut on the flash drive to either of these files. Your PAF data files will have names ending in .paf (not .pdf). GEDCOM files will have names that end in .ged PAF5 backups (and many other compressed files) will have names that end in .zip If your computer hides the ends of file names, you can make them always visible by following this process (at least in WindowsXP): 1. Open any folder 2. Open the Tools menu 3. Open Folder Options 4. Click the View tab 5. Remove the checkmark in front of "Hide extensions for known file types". 6. Click Apply to all folders 7. Click Yes 8. Click OK. And you can reverse the process by doing the same thing, but putting the checkmark back. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Flash Drive > Bill, I have 48 PAF files. the first one is file folder. I think this is the > one I want to copy. However, none are listed as data files. Would that be a > PDF file? Marilyn

All; A question from a local PAF user led me to a method that I now prefer. She had just bought a new computer and wanted two PAF icons on her desktop. One would open only to her genealogy and the other to her husband's. I did not know how to accomplish this so I inquired of PAF support. The solution relies upon a capability of Windows. Use Windows explorer to find the database you want to open. Place the cursor on the name of that file and click the RIGHT mouse button. Select "Create shortcut". Rename the shortcut to the name of that database. Move the newly created shortcut to the desktop. When you click on that shortcut Windows will read the extension and compare it to its list of programs and extensions. It will then use the PAF program to open that database. It works perfectly for me! "Good Hunting", Richard L. Halliday Remember the observation of Hugh Nibley: "These people! They act as if they were Terrans. Have they forgotten that they are Kolob-ites!?" So lets work to get back to there; it is a far, far better place then Terra (Earth).

I wonder if some of the problems people get from not using their latest PAF file is caused by using "save as" to make a backup on another media, e.g. flash drive. Then, next time PAF is used, it automatically opens the last file saved, which would be on the flash drive instead of the hard drive ("C") - except that 1) there may be a different flash drive with an earlier saved data file; or 2) the updates may have been made to the flash drive file, but not to the "C" drive file, and new data must be manually saved via "save as" to the "C" drive The solution - don't depend on the automatically opened file to be the latest, but instead each time compare file names to select the latest saved file; making sure it's on the "C" drive Rod **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Bill, I have 48 PAF files. the first one is file folder. I think this is the one I want to copy. However, none are listed as data files. Would that be a PDF file? Marilyn **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Richard and Bill, I will read over all this info and try to follow it (after Christmas). Thank you so much. Merry Chistmas and Happy New Year to all of you. Marilyn **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Marilyn ---- Just wait 'till you get to be 85! Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Flash Drive > Richard, Thanks for understanding what I am trying to do. Your directions > sound clear, but just how do I uninstall PAF? I don't want to do anything > drastic. Here is the deal. I am 78 years old and digitally impaired. > Marilyn > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 12/21/2007 1:17 PM > >

Marilyn, Richard and I have two ways of doing the same thing. (i.e. running PAF from a flash drive on computers that do not have PAF installed) Richard's method is the one endorsed by the Silicon Valley Computer Genealogy Group http://www.svpafug.org My method is the one given on www.familysearch.org in Product Support. BOTH methods work by creating a copy of the installed PAF5 software folder on the flash drive. The Product Support method is simpler, since there is no need to uninstall and reinstall PAF, you just copy the installed PAF5 folder from the hard disk to the flash drive. Then you can run PAF from the flash drive by opening the file paf5.exe in the flash drive's PAF5 folder (as Bill Davis points out some computers will list this file as simply paf5, but the results are the same.) It is easier to demontrate this than to explain it. [NOTE: Flash drives are sometimes called memory sticks, jump drives, thumb drives, pen drives, key drives, and USB keys. (Some of these names are trademarks of specific manufacturers.) In all cases, they contain a flash memory card and a USB connnector, and they are about the size of a person's thumb. A variety of software can be run directly from a flash drive, although most can not.] Bill Buchanan > Richard, Thanks for understanding what I am trying to do. Your directions > sound clear, but just how do I uninstall PAF? I don't want to do anything > drastic. Here is the deal. I am 78 years old and digitally impaired. Marilyn

Why do you want to uninstall PAF? What Richard was getting at as I recall was the point that you could install PAF on a memory stick and run it that way. Thus you could take it with you. There would not be a need to uninstall it, you just use it. The PDF data files called something like "family.paf" (in windows you do not see the ".paf" unless you make a display change, but see a file type instead as "Personal Ancestral File 5". That may be where the confusion comes. You are moving the data file which has this file type, not "paf5.exe" which has a file type of "application". I hope I am not confusing you, but to transfer data you can copy the "family.paf" file, the backup file (family.zip) - filetype "PKZIP" on my machine, or the gedcom (family.ged). When you go somewhere else, you would simply open the paf file in PAF5 (the program). You could also open PAF5 and restore from the backup to get a new paf file. The last option is to use the PAF5 File>import to retrieve the data from the gedcom. None of these methods require you to install or move the program files. I think this difference between program files and data files is where we are all getting twisted around. In Windows Explorer, look at the files you think you should be working with and let us know the name and filetype (I am assuming the .paf, .zip, and .ged are not visible on screen) and what you are wanting to do. Typically you would want to copy one of these files from your harddrive to the memory stick. It would help to know exactly what you need the files on the memory stick for. Assuming you are taking to another location, do they have PAF5 or something else? If something else, then you need to take the GEDCOM file. If PAF5, you have the choice. Probably the backup file (.ZIP) is the most useful for size and being complete. So the specifics of what you are using it for would help. I hope this helps some for someone that admits to being computer challenged. I am trying to think about explanations and guessing what you might be referring to based on your post. Good luck. Bill > Richard, Thanks for understanding what I am trying to do. Your > directions > sound clear, but just how do I uninstall PAF? I don't want to do > anything > drastic. Here is the deal. I am 78 years old and digitally impaired. > Marilyn >

Richard, Thanks for understanding what I am trying to do. Your directions sound clear, but just how do I uninstall PAF? I don't want to do anything drastic. Here is the deal. I am 78 years old and digitally impaired. Marilyn **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

> Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:20:15 +1100 > From: Barbara <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Good Advice -Thank you > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Gary and all, > <snip> > > ... Backup every time you use PAF and use the suggestion > of Gary's to put the date (I've called mine P------_J---- 201207) and > it WORKS!!! > A slight variation on your way of naming backups is to reverse the date, YYYYMMDD. When you sort the files by name all the years, then months, then days show up and I at least find this easier to handle when looking for a particular time period. This isn't my idea, it came from this group some time ago. Merry Christmas and/or Happy New Year Will

Hi Gary and all, I agree wholeheartedly with Gary's sentiments - I have a huge work in progress at this moment in time with well over 189,000 people listed on it... (I'm attempting to connect as many of the South Australian Pioneer families and their descendants as I possibly can) Please don't ask how it got started, that would fill a chapter in a book... Anyway, with those people listed I would have thousands of families and wouldn't be able to remember where and what I was doing if I had them in separate files... Backup every time you use PAF and use the suggestion of Gary's to put the date (I've called mine P------_J---- 201207) and it WORKS!!! Regards to all, and have a wonderful Christ filled Christmas, may you and your families be safe and happy at this joyous time of the year... the time when we celebrate the birth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Best regards Barbara in Victoria Australia - where it's been in the high 30C (about 100F) all week