Fred, The relationship indicator at the bottom of the screen needs to be reset as people are added. PAF recalculates these relationships when requested to do so, it isn't updated automatically. To do so: Tools > Preferences > File > Relationship Indicators > Change > OK > OK PAF will now show the relationships on the status bar. The Relationship Calculator is a different tool from the Relationship Indicator that I have been referring to. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "FredV" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness > I see this as a PAF5 bug. I know have a 2nd example of the situation. 17,000 > people in the file, 3,500 ancestors, this example: > wife is a grandmother, parents are grandparents, child is a grandparent, but > the person is not (Only according to the relationship display on the bottom > of the page). It is the relationship display that is my problem.. > I have checked (repeatedly all links, they are good) if I were a database > guy, instead of just being a 40 year IBM sysprog mainframe guy, I'd find the > problem, and fix it... > > > Regards, Fred > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Buchanan > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness > > Fred, > > I think you need to take a look at the links in your pedigree. You may need > to unlink some people from their present parents and link them to the right > ones. I hope you have some backups that you made before importing the > Royals, in case it becomes easier to use them.and then re-merge/re-link the > royals to their correct spot. > > Bill Buchanan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FredV" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:27 AM > Subject: [PAF-5] Oddness > > > > > > Hi folks, I've been adding some old Royal lines to my PAF5 lately, and > have > > come across an "oddness" Charlemagne (77 lines of decent so far) had a > > son Pepin..He had a son Bernard, King of Italy, Charlemagne and Pepins > > mother show as my grandparents in the display window, Pepin shows as a > > great > Grand > > Uncle, Pepins wife shows as a grandmother, Bernard and his wife show > > as grandparents..Ok, so the Pepin entry is broken, I created a new > > Pepin, deleted the old one, re-linked everyone, Pepin is still and > uncle..help... > > > > Regards, Fred > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: > > 3/5/2008 > 6:38 PM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1316 - Release Date: 3/6/2008 6:58 PM > >

Mildred & Ellwood Voelker wrote: > Visited with a lady that has started to work on her family after many > years. The back or copy she has is the 5 1/4 floppy disk. What heop > came be given to her. > > What can be done to save her from doing all that work again? > Mildred > in Oregon Voelker? Any kin to Walter from W Va? If so, can we talk!? And yes, I can move the data from 5 1/4 to something else, if there's no one closer to you. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

I specifically saved a computer that has a 5 1/4" floppy drive and has installed PAF. If you will get the floppy to me I will convert it to PAF 5. and then do a backup on any medium that you prefer. My telephone is (503) 723-0632. Richard L. Halliday West Linn, OR singhals wrote: > Mildred & Ellwood Voelker wrote: > > >> Visited with a lady that has started to work on her family after many >> years. The back or copy she has is the 5 1/4 floppy disk. What heop >> came be given to her. >> >> What can be done to save her from doing all that work again? >> Mildred >> in Oregon >> > > Voelker? Any kin to Walter from W Va? If so, can we talk!? > > And yes, I can move the data from 5 1/4 to something else, > if there's no one closer to you. > > Cheryl > >

That, of course, is the very likely answer, I'm descended from these folks more than 50 times... Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness Could it be that somewhere along the tree the person is a common ancestor to two people who married? If those two were of different generations (like a 5th cousin twice removed) I could see how that might screw up the relationship calculator. Gary Templeman

I did, I turned it off, exported the file, imported the file into a new .paf file, turned the relationship indicator on, pointing to me, et voila, still broken...Deleted the guy made a whole new him, deleted the "old" guy, linked in the normal way the new guy..still broken... Been using PAF since paf2, still have all of um on computers scattered around the house...(I think) Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Vaughan Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness Fred, did you reset the relationship indicators after making the latest additions to the database. I get caught out on that sometimes. Go to Tools -> Preferences -> goto the File tab Here you see "Relationship indicators" click on the Change button

Fred, did you reset the relationship indicators after making the latest additions to the database. I get caught out on that sometimes. Go to Tools -> Preferences -> goto the File tab Here you see "Relationship indicators" click on the Change button A second pop up window will appear and it will show you the "Root Person" this is the person the relationship display is based upon. In case it is correct just hit "OK", if not click on "Search", on the next screen click on "Individual list", choose yourself or whomever you would like to have the relationship display based upon from the list of individuals, press "OK", on the next screen again press "OK". Then you will see that the program goes through the database and builds a list of relationships based upon the person you selected. This is only done when you go through this procedure, Note: any names that you add after doing this will not be in the list until you repeat the procedure again. Best regards, Dave Vaughan FredV wrote: > I see this as a PAF5 bug. I know have a 2nd example of the situation. 17,000 > people in the file, 3,500 ancestors, this example: > wife is a grandmother, parents are grandparents, child is a grandparent, but > the person is not (Only according to the relationship display on the bottom > of the page). It is the relationship display that is my problem.. > I have checked (repeatedly all links, they are good) if I were a database > guy, instead of just being a 40 year IBM sysprog mainframe guy, I'd find the > problem, and fix it... > > > Regards, Fred > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Buchanan > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness > > Fred, > > I think you need to take a look at the links in your pedigree. You may need > to unlink some people from their present parents and link them to the right > ones. I hope you have some backups that you made before importing the > Royals, in case it becomes easier to use them.and then re-merge/re-link the > royals to their correct spot. > > Bill Buchanan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FredV" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:27 AM > Subject: [PAF-5] Oddness > > > >> Hi folks, I've been adding some old Royal lines to my PAF5 lately, and >> > have > >> come across an "oddness" Charlemagne (77 lines of decent so far) had a >> son Pepin..He had a son Bernard, King of Italy, Charlemagne and Pepins >> mother show as my grandparents in the display window, Pepin shows as a >> great >> > Grand > >> Uncle, Pepins wife shows as a grandmother, Bernard and his wife show >> as grandparents..Ok, so the Pepin entry is broken, I created a new >> Pepin, deleted the old one, re-linked everyone, Pepin is still and >> > uncle..help... > >> Regards, Fred >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: >> 3/5/2008 >> > 6:38 PM > >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Try a local university or other computer store to have the info transferred to a new disk. There are a lot of folks around with older systems that can read a 5 1/4 disk. It is just a matter of finding someone that has the equipment. Many folks have old computers sitting around that can do that. Typically those of us that have them don't use them much, but they are still in our places. You might post an inquiry at a local computer store, university, or FHC. Some would likely do the transfer for free, others for a small cost. However, there may be a question of the existance of data still on the disk. It may be corrupt at this point. You will just have to try and see what is there. Not much help I guess. Just do not assume everyone has trashed their older machines because everyone you know buys new, upgrades to VISTA, and disposes of old machines. (Note, I said dispose, not throw away. This is a small push to all to properly dispose of old electronics and not put it in the landfill to be toxic to the environment.) Bill > Visited with a lady that has started to work on her family after many > years. The back or copy she has is the 5 1/4 floppy disk. What heop > came be given to her. > > What can be done to save her from doing all that work again? > Mildred in Oregon

Gary is right on with his comments on death and burial dates. If the places are materially different, it may indicate a clue to someone interested to know the why of the difference; travel for business or pleasure, change of location due to unknown migration, etc. This knowledge may help fill in the family history and where to start a search for location of descendants who's locations you haven't found.. As to cremation information. I have a father and mother-in-law who donated their bodies to science. The parts not used were cremated and returned to the family and grandson's scattered the ashes on a mountain here in Colorado. For future generations, this may be very important historical information. They can, proudly or not, know that their ancestor's ashes are there and if they climb that mountain, they know they walked in the ancestor's burial ground. May even want a picture. In date, I list the cremation date, if known, and list the name of the mountain. Then in the notes I write a brief explanation. In some cases, the family may have a family cemetery plot, where they place a memorial stone. I that case, I list date of cremation and location of the memorial stone. Then add a note that explains this and lists the place the ashes were scattered. None of this may be important to other researchers, but may be very important to descendants for closure of family history and knowing how the immediate family cared for the remains, or the individual wanted their remains taken care of. In my case, I've asked for my body to be donated for organ transplants, other parts used for medical research, and any remains after that to be cremated, with the ashes buried in a cremation size plot at a local National Cemetery. That burial lets them know that I served my country proudly and was entitle to a military burial. The can visit the site if they want to, or not, but know where my mortal remains lay. These are personal reasons why I record this information. It may be valuable to some, or ignored if one doesn't think it will serve a useful purpose to descendants. Dick Cazier Lakewood, Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Templeman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Burial date and place >I can see that if there was an extended period between the dates that it > could indicate either a transposed number or other error in recording the > dates, or a clue to some other issue, such as an autopsy, transport to a > distant location, etc. And of course, some people may actually want to > visit > the sites, take photos of the tombstones, etc. The date could help the > caretakers locate the grave. I don't spend time looking for the date, but > if > I have it why not record it? I don't see a value in deleting it after the > fact. > > Gary Templeman > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Burial date and place > > >>I don't use a burial date unless I have no death date. Sometimes cemetery >>records only include the burial date. I do enter the burial place, >>including the name of the cemetery if it is known. >> >> Once I find the actual death date (via a death certificate or obituary), >> I >> then delete the burial date. I don't think in most cases that it is >> critical data, but perhaps someone will share a good reason to include a >> burial date! >> >> Ellen >> State College, PA >> >>> From: "LaVerne" <[email protected]> >>> To: "PAF5" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:55 PM >>> Subject: [PAF-5] Burial date and place >>> >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > How do you all handle the space for burial date and place when the >>> > deceased has donated his/her body to a hospital for research? >>> > >>> > LaVerne >>> > >>> > >>> > LaVerne, >>> > >>> > Researching BACHMANN, BOEHMKE, HEMMANN, HEINEMANN, LANDL, LINHARDT, >>> > OTTO, >>> > PIETSCHMANN, ROEHL, SEHLER, SIEVERS, TELLE, ZACHARIAE, ZEITLER >>> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you can not find a source locally, we can probably help at the Idaho Falls Regional Family History Center.

I see this as a PAF5 bug. I know have a 2nd example of the situation. 17,000 people in the file, 3,500 ancestors, this example: wife is a grandmother, parents are grandparents, child is a grandparent, but the person is not (Only according to the relationship display on the bottom of the page). It is the relationship display that is my problem.. I have checked (repeatedly all links, they are good) if I were a database guy, instead of just being a 40 year IBM sysprog mainframe guy, I'd find the problem, and fix it... Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Buchanan Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness Fred, I think you need to take a look at the links in your pedigree. You may need to unlink some people from their present parents and link them to the right ones. I hope you have some backups that you made before importing the Royals, in case it becomes easier to use them.and then re-merge/re-link the royals to their correct spot. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "FredV" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Oddness > > Hi folks, I've been adding some old Royal lines to my PAF5 lately, and have > come across an "oddness" Charlemagne (77 lines of decent so far) had a > son Pepin..He had a son Bernard, King of Italy, Charlemagne and Pepins > mother show as my grandparents in the display window, Pepin shows as a > great Grand > Uncle, Pepins wife shows as a grandmother, Bernard and his wife show > as grandparents..Ok, so the Pepin entry is broken, I created a new > Pepin, deleted the old one, re-linked everyone, Pepin is still and uncle..help... > > Regards, Fred > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: > 3/5/2008 6:38 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some FHCs have maintained computers with those drives, or perhaps a local computer repair shop can do it. I have also heard rumors that the library in SL can convert the information. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mildred & Ellwood Voelker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] 5 1/4 Floppy Question ? > Visited with a lady that has started to work on her family after many > years. The back or copy she has is the 5 1/4 floppy disk. What heop > came be given to her. > > What can be done to save her from doing all that work again? > Mildred > in Oregon > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be that somewhere along the tree the person is a common ancestor to two people who married? If those two were of different generations (like a 5th cousin twice removed) I could see how that might screw up the relationship calculator. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "FredV" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness >I see this as a PAF5 bug. I know have a 2nd example of the situation. >17,000 > people in the file, 3,500 ancestors, this example: > wife is a grandmother, parents are grandparents, child is a grandparent, > but > the person is not (Only according to the relationship display on the > bottom > of the page). It is the relationship display that is my problem.. > I have checked (repeatedly all links, they are good) if I were a database > guy, instead of just being a 40 year IBM sysprog mainframe guy, I'd find > the > problem, and fix it... > > > Regards, Fred > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Buchanan > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness > > Fred, > > I think you need to take a look at the links in your pedigree. You may > need > to unlink some people from their present parents and link them to the > right > ones. I hope you have some backups that you made before importing the > Royals, in case it becomes easier to use them.and then re-merge/re-link > the > royals to their correct spot. > > Bill Buchanan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FredV" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:27 AM > Subject: [PAF-5] Oddness > > >> >> Hi folks, I've been adding some old Royal lines to my PAF5 lately, and > have >> come across an "oddness" Charlemagne (77 lines of decent so far) had a >> son Pepin..He had a son Bernard, King of Italy, Charlemagne and Pepins >> mother show as my grandparents in the display window, Pepin shows as a >> great > Grand >> Uncle, Pepins wife shows as a grandmother, Bernard and his wife show >> as grandparents..Ok, so the Pepin entry is broken, I created a new >> Pepin, deleted the old one, re-linked everyone, Pepin is still and > uncle..help... >> >> Regards, Fred >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: >> 3/5/2008 > 6:38 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mildred, Your first challenge will be to find someone in your area that has a old computer with a 5 1/4 inch disk drive and a 3.5 inch drive. Check at your closest FHC and check with people you know. Chances someone has an old computer sitting in a corner of the basement or a storage shed. It is the sort of thing that is best done locally. I have an old 286 that would do the job, but I am far away. The second challenge, once you have copied the files to a 3.5 inch diskette is to see whether they are in a format that can still be read. PAF 4 can read files from PAF 2 or 3. (PAF 2 files have to be converted by PAF 4, but it is easily done.) Once the files are in PAF 4 format, they can be read by PAF 5. Unfortunately, I don't know of anything that can use files from PAF 1. Is there any chance that the data may have been contributed to FamilySearch or other websites? If so, it might be easiest to get it from there. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mildred & Ellwood Voelker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] 5 1/4 Floppy Question ? > Visited with a lady that has started to work on her family after many > years. The back or copy she has is the 5 1/4 floppy disk. What heop > came be given to her. > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > What can be done to save her from doing all that work again? > Mildred > in Oregon > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM > >

Fred, I think you need to take a look at the links in your pedigree. You may need to unlink some people from their present parents and link them to the right ones. I hope you have some backups that you made before importing the Royals, in case it becomes easier to use them.and then re-merge/re-link the royals to their correct spot. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "FredV" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Oddness > > Hi folks, I've been adding some old Royal lines to my PAF5 lately, and have > come across an "oddness" Charlemagne (77 lines of decent so far) had a son > Pepin..He had a son Bernard, King of Italy, Charlemagne and Pepins mother > show as my grandparents in the display window, Pepin shows as a great Grand > Uncle, Pepins wife shows as a grandmother, Bernard and his wife show as > grandparents..Ok, so the Pepin entry is broken, I created a new Pepin, > deleted the old one, re-linked everyone, Pepin is still and uncle..help... > > Regards, Fred > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM > >

Visited with a lady that has started to work on her family after many years. The back or copy she has is the 5 1/4 floppy disk. What heop came be given to her. What can be done to save her from doing all that work again? Mildred in Oregon

Just thought some of you would be interested in what I could find regarding a donated body. I went to the St Louis University site online and found information about donated bodies. The cremains are commingled and buried in a single place by the Med School Campus Minister, staff and students involved, in Sts Peter and Paul Cemetery. In the fall each year there is a memorial service for the families. In St Louis the Catholic Archdiocese has a web page for all the cemeteries they supervise. Using that page I easily learned where and when those cremains were buried. It seems that family members can be shown the area, but I would think that anyone familiar with that cemetery could easily find it, since the section and lot are shown online. The body was donated in 1992 and the cremains buried in 1999 which surprised me. LaVerne

Ooops, Pepins son Bernard was the one being blinded...:-( Regards, Fred FredV wrote: > Hi folks, I've been adding some old Royal lines to my PAF5 lately, and > have come across an "oddness" Charlemagne (77 lines of decent so far) > had a son Pepin..He had a son Bernard, King of Italy, Charlemagne and > Pepins mother show as my grandparents in the display window, Pepin > shows as a great Grand Uncle, Pepins wife shows as a grandmother, > Bernard and his wife show as grandparents..Ok, so the Pepin entry is > broken, I created a new Pepin, deleted the old one, re-linked everyone, Pepin is still and uncle..help... > OK, clearly I'm mis-remembering something -- wasn't Pepin-the-short Charley's dad? Cheryl

Wouldn't matter for the purpose of this problem, but there were MANY Pepins, this one is/was Pepin I of Italy born April 777 in Aachenn, killed 8 Jul 0810 while being blinded by his half brother... Rhineland, Prussia Regards, Fred www.ticonderogaheritagemuseum.org www.rootsweb.com/~nyessex www.provoncha.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of singhals Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Oddness FredV wrote: > Hi folks, I've been adding some old Royal lines to my PAF5 lately, and > have come across an "oddness" Charlemagne (77 lines of decent so far) > had a son Pepin..He had a son Bernard, King of Italy, Charlemagne and > Pepins mother show as my grandparents in the display window, Pepin > shows as a great Grand Uncle, Pepins wife shows as a grandmother, > Bernard and his wife show as grandparents..Ok, so the Pepin entry is > broken, I created a new Pepin, deleted the old one, re-linked everyone, Pepin is still and uncle..help... > OK, clearly I'm mis-remembering something -- wasn't Pepin-the-short Charley's dad? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

SOME of the folks on this thread will get a kick out of: > http://xkcd.com/378/ _I_ liked panel 5 myself. (g) Our son showed us this last night. [for those who don't click on odd-ball links, it's a cartoon about Real Programmers.] Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

FredV wrote: > Hi folks, I've been adding some old Royal lines to my PAF5 lately, and have > come across an "oddness" Charlemagne (77 lines of decent so far) had a son > Pepin..He had a son Bernard, King of Italy, Charlemagne and Pepins mother > show as my grandparents in the display window, Pepin shows as a great Grand > Uncle, Pepins wife shows as a grandmother, Bernard and his wife show as > grandparents..Ok, so the Pepin entry is broken, I created a new Pepin, > deleted the old one, re-linked everyone, Pepin is still and uncle..help... > OK, clearly I'm mis-remembering something -- wasn't Pepin-the-short Charley's dad? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.