Thanks to all that gave suggestion on how to solve the problem. I will send this to the person for her to decide what she wants to do. I know that I could get good information form this list. I have ask the local Family History Center person the do this if he can. He will try to put a machine back together if he can. If not we may contact Richard in West Linn, OR Thank you all for the fast help Mildred in OR
I sure agree with Beverly. I have been using PAF since it's inception and just love it. I don't know why people continually think they have to have all the "commercial" ones. And are you sure the Church is doing away with PAF? I don't think so. On 3/9/08, Beverly <[email protected]> wrote: > > While I don't go back to anything prior to PAF 2, I've used every > version since then and never have I had a crash and loss of data. Ditto > using the program PAF Insight. > Most all of our patrons also use PAF and PAF Insight at the local family > history center where I volunteer two days a week and, again, in 14 years > I've yet to see a PAF crash and loss of data. Loss of data? Yes; but > only because I or the person at the keyboard did something incorrectly. > I'd like to read a step-by-step of what a user was doing when this > happened. > > Beverly > > Mailto:[email protected] > Families are Forever! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
While I don't go back to anything prior to PAF 2, I've used every version since then and never have I had a crash and loss of data. Ditto using the program PAF Insight. Most all of our patrons also use PAF and PAF Insight at the local family history center where I volunteer two days a week and, again, in 14 years I've yet to see a PAF crash and loss of data. Loss of data? Yes; but only because I or the person at the keyboard did something incorrectly. I'd like to read a step-by-step of what a user was doing when this happened. Beverly Mailto:[email protected] Families are Forever!
I think that what Renee meant to say was that when you are using PAF Insight and spent many hours updating your records but did not save them, sometimes the program does crash especially when the database is large and then you will lose all of the updates that you have found to that point. That is why it is important to save the updates frequently. Janice Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 40 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 ([email protected]) > 2. Re: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 (Ross G.H. Cotton) > 3. Re: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 (FredV) > 4. Re: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 (Ross G.H. Cotton) > 5. Re: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 (Don Boudreaux) > 6. Re: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 38 (Gary Templeman) > 7. Re: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 (Gary Templeman) > 8. Re: PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 38 (Peter) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:18:44 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> However, that is not my main message. The add-on I would like to tell >> you >> about is called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program will scan all the >> dates in >> your PAF 5 data file and inform you of all those that are not in the >> correct >> format. > Good Morning from Chilly Florida > Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this > according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? Church format? Someone else's > format? > Formats as you put them in the system? > Thanks in advance > Doug Burnett > Satellite Beach > FL > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:21:39 -0400 > From: "Ross G.H. Cotton" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The only CORRECT format is one that other People (the reader) will > understand what is meant. > > There are recommended formats. > > The one I use, based on 25 years of experience, is to ensure the month is > shown in Characters, not numbers. This can be 12 Jan 1920, or Jan 12 > 1920, > or 1920 Jan 12. > > Any worthwhile genealogy program will facilitate one of the above formats. > > > Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:18 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > > >> In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >>> However, that is not my main message. The add-on I would like to tell >>> you >>> about is called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program will scan all the >>> dates in >>> your PAF 5 data file and inform you of all those that are not in the >>> correct >>> format. >> Good Morning from Chilly Florida >> Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this >> according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? Church format? Someone else's >> format? >> Formats as you put them in the system? >> Thanks in advance >> Doug Burnett >> Satellite Beach >> FL >> >> >> ************** >> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:34:41 -0400 > From: "FredV" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > And one of the things that has always bothered me, is folks "correcting" > the > double dates required by the 1700's (US and England)calendar change..The > date program someone mentioned here yesterday had a problem with > them..From > - to and Feb 29 with a double year showed as an error...:-) > > > Regards, Fred > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross G.H. Cotton > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > > The only CORRECT format is one that other People (the reader) will > understand what is meant. > > There are recommended formats. > > The one I use, based on 25 years of experience, is to ensure the month is > shown in Characters, not numbers. This can be 12 Jan 1920, or Jan 12 > 1920, > > or 1920 Jan 12. > > Any worthwhile genealogy program will facilitate one of the above formats. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:42:38 -0400 > From: "Ross G.H. Cotton" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Fred > I think you should give us an example of what you are mentioning, so we > can > understand your point? > > > Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FredV" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > > >> And one of the things that has always bothered me, is folks "correcting" >> the >> double dates required by the 1700's (US and England)calendar change..The >> date program someone mentioned here yesterday had a problem with >> them..From >> - to and Feb 29 with a double year showed as an error...:-) >> >> >> Regards, Fred > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:50:35 -0500 > From: Don Boudreaux <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > That is an excellent point, when you see 1/12/1920. How can you tell if > that is > Jan 12, 1920 or Dec 1, 1920, if that format is used. > > Don Boudreaux > > Ross G.H. Cotton wrote: >> The only CORRECT format is one that other People (the reader) will >> understand what is meant. >> >> There are recommended formats. >> >> The one I use, based on 25 years of experience, is to ensure the month is >> shown in Characters, not numbers. This can be 12 Jan 1920, or Jan 12 >> 1920, >> or 1920 Jan 12. >> >> Any worthwhile genealogy program will facilitate one of the above >> formats. >> >> >> Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 >> Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma >> I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above >> >> GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 >> Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide >> see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 >> >> >> >>> In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> >>>> However, that is not my main message. The add-on I would like to tell >>>> you >>>> about is called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program will scan all the >>>> dates in >>>> your PAF 5 data file and inform you of all those that are not in the >>>> correct >>>> format. >>>> >>> Good Morning from Chilly Florida >>> Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this >>> according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? Church format? Someone else's >>> format? >>> Formats as you put them in the system? >>> Thanks in advance >>> Doug Burnett >>> Satellite Beach >>> FL >>> >>> >>> ************** >>> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >>> Finance. >>> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:04:19 -0700 > From: "Gary Templeman" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 38 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > For the record, I have NEVER had PAF and PAF Insight crash and lose work, > and that includes my computer or to my knowledge anyone using the 7 > computers I maintain at our FHC. > > Gary Templeman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Renee Zamora" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 38 > > >> If they really want to stay with PAF I would recommend they go with >> Family >> Insight (previously known as PAF Insight) or Ancestral Quest. That way >> they >> can sync with New FamilySearch when it becomes available. >> >> Many may not be aware of it but Legacy and RootsMagic both have built >> into >> them a feature similar to PAF Insight and can search the IIGI and will >> sync >> with NFS. They have many more bells and whistles included in them and >> are >> cheaper than buying all those PAF add-ons they might be considering. >> >> These programs are free for FHCs and can be tried out there or you can >> download demo's from their website. I would recommend they try all the >> programs out there and then make their decisions. Just because they are >> familiar with PAF and consider it easier to use they might be surprised >> at >> how much user friendly the other commercial programs really are. At >> least >> with the IGI search features in Legacy and RootsMagic you don't get the >> disappointment of the program crashing after doing hours of work and >> loosing >> everything you got off the IGI like you see happen with PAF Insight and >> PAF. >> >> >> Renee Zamora >> www.harrisena.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:12:13 -0700 > From: "Gary Templeman" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The date scanner just reads the date fields, gives you a list and tells > you > the potential problem, such as a Feb 29 in a year that is not a leap year, > or extra characters that should not be part of a date. It is up to you to > make the changes. I have posted a sample of the output below. > > Gary > > > RIN: 250 -- Joan /Gaylord/ > death: W.D. APR 1634 > RIN: 407 -- Isabell /Harvey/ > baptism: 15 FEBV 1958 > RIN: 469 -- Christopher /Sydenham/ > death: W/D 15 MAY 1525 > RIN: 534 -- Joane (Jane) /Carminow/ > birth: 1427 (15-1443) > RIN: 560 -- Elizabeth /FitzWalter/ Baroness Dinham > death: BETW JUN 1483/AUG 1485 > RIN: 599 -- Henry /Beaumont/ Baron Beaumont > death: 17 JUN 25 JUL 1369 > MRIN: 16 -- Husband's RIN 24 Wife's RIN 25 > marriage: 25 JUN 1973 SL > MRIN: 222 -- Husband's RIN 176 Wife's RIN 823 > seal spouse: 30 MAR 1933 ALBER (PS) > MRIN: 476 -- Husband's RIN 512 Wife's RIN 513 > marriage: BEF ABT 1440 > MRIN: 505 -- Husband's RIN 567 Wife's RIN 568 > marriage: BTW 6 FEB 1435/6 & 23 MAR 1436/7 > MRIN: 557 -- Husband's RIN 547 Wife's RIN 1066 > marriage: NOT MD. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Boudreaux" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > > >> That is an excellent point, when you see 1/12/1920. How can you tell if >> that is >> Jan 12, 1920 or Dec 1, 1920, if that format is used. >> >> Don Boudreaux >> >> Ross G.H. Cotton wrote: >>> The only CORRECT format is one that other People (the reader) will >>> understand what is meant. >>> >>> There are recommended formats. >>> >>> The one I use, based on 25 years of experience, is to ensure the month >>> is >>> shown in Characters, not numbers. This can be 12 Jan 1920, or Jan 12 >>> 1920, >>> or 1920 Jan 12. >>> >>> Any worthwhile genealogy program will facilitate one of the above >>> formats. >>> >>> >>> Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 >>> Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma >>> I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above >>> >>> GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 >>> Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide >>> see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:18 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 >>> >>> >>> >>>> In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> [email protected] writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> However, that is not my main message. The add-on I would like to tell >>>>> you >>>>> about is called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program will scan all the >>>>> dates in >>>>> your PAF 5 data file and inform you of all those that are not in the >>>>> correct >>>>> format. >>>>> >>>> Good Morning from Chilly Florida >>>> Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this >>>> according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? Church format? Someone else's >>>> format? >>>> Formats as you put them in the system? >>>> Thanks in advance >>>> Doug Burnett >>>> Satellite Beach >>>> FL >>>> >>>> >>>> ************** >>>> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >>>> Finance. >>>> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:17:57 -0700 > From: Peter <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 38 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Renee Zamora" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:51 PM >>Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 38 >> >> > At least with the IGI search features in Legacy and RootsMagic you >> don't get the >> > disappointment of the program crashing after doing hours of work and >> > loosing everything you got off the IGI like you see happen with PAF >> Insight and PAF. >> > Renee Zamora > > > Renee, with one sentence you have lost all your credibility. > > Peter > > > My computer problems are caused by a loose nut > between the > chair and the keyboard. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PAF-5-USERS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the PAF-5-USERS mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 40 > ****************************************** >
Some people may be misinterpreting the function of the scanner. Just like the possible problem list in PAF that flags things like children born when the mother is older than a certain age, it is to alert you to *potential* problem dates, including times when extra characters and text are included in the date field. It is for you to decide if the flag is meaningful in that particular instance, just as you would decide if the woman really did have a child at age 50. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "FredV" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > Ok, any date in Jan-Mar in the 1700's in the US or UK should be written > double, because of the Julian to Gregorian calendar change, google that if > more info is needed.. > Sooo... > Feb 29,1750(OS)for example (And I did not look it up to see if it's a leap > year or not) > Would HAVE to be written Feb 29, 1750/1. With the Old style calendar > (Julian) the event would happen in 1750. In the New Sytle calendar > (Gregorian) it would happen in 1751, as the year formerly ended in > March..So > some folks find the event date in one of those years, and "correct" the > date > to whichever year they found..The pafdate program flagged Feb 29, 1750/1 > as > an error..probably because one of those years was not a leap year..And I > spent a couple of moments trying to fix something that was not > broken..Justa > pet peave, I feel better now...:-) > > > Regards, Fred > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross G.H. Cotton > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:43 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > > Fred > I think you should give us an example of what you are mentioning, so we > can > understand your point? > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> > At least with the IGI search features in Legacy and RootsMagic you don't > get the disappointment of the program crashing after doing hours of work and > loosing everything you got off the IGI like you see happen with PAF Insight > and PAF. > I just wanted to apologize to the list and PAF Insight for using the term "crashing". That is never a good word to use in conjunction with a software program. What I am seeing and referring to is the "idiot" factor that causes people to be highly creative and for whatever reason not save after doing all their work in PAF Insight when leaving the program. At least with Legacy and RootsMagic the information is auto-saved and if you want to undo something you revert back to an earlier backup. Renee Zamora www.harrisena.com
Ruth Filbert wrote: > I truly do not want to start an immense argument, but, since PAF is not updating, what additional software should a researcher purchase. Example, PAFwiz, PAF Pal, PAF Insight, Ancestral Quest, etc. > Many at the local FHC are turning to Legacy, but some of us want to stay with PAF. > Can someone give some guidelines that I can share at the next librarians meeting. > Ruth Since each add-on does something the others don't or does it differently, what you buy, d/l, or use depends on what exactly you're wanting to do at any specific moment. I mean, if I'm wanting a list of people in my data who were born in South Dakota, PAFI isn't going to be as useful as PAF itself (or Legacy, or UFT, or whatever). Pragmatically, in archival mode, if PAF isn't going to be maintained or updated, /and if/ you want to keep it anyway, grab any add-on or utility you can while they're available, (And keep a computer they'll run ON) before those developers all switch gears toward the nFS-paradigm. Because, if you're not LDS, nFS isn't going to matter to you for a few years and that's a lot of genealogy in some families. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.
Ok, any date in Jan-Mar in the 1700's in the US or UK should be written double, because of the Julian to Gregorian calendar change, google that if more info is needed.. Sooo... Feb 29,1750(OS)for example (And I did not look it up to see if it's a leap year or not) Would HAVE to be written Feb 29, 1750/1. With the Old style calendar (Julian) the event would happen in 1750. In the New Sytle calendar (Gregorian) it would happen in 1751, as the year formerly ended in March..So some folks find the event date in one of those years, and "correct" the date to whichever year they found..The pafdate program flagged Feb 29, 1750/1 as an error..probably because one of those years was not a leap year..And I spent a couple of moments trying to fix something that was not broken..Justa pet peave, I feel better now...:-) Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross G.H. Cotton Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 Fred I think you should give us an example of what you are mentioning, so we can understand your point?
Hi Gary I would be very grateful to receive your email re the "Software Gems" for the genealogist. Thank-you Kind Regards Hilton Doidge [email protected] ".....I will send you in another email a 4 page Word document of a presentation I gave last summer of "Software Gems" for the genealogist. It has a (very) short description of what the software does and includes web links so people can go to the site and research it for themselves. And since many are free programs anyway, they can test those with no financial commitment. Feel free to make copies to hand out...." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Templeman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF add-ons > There is really no answer to what a person "should" purchase. It all depends > on what they are trying to accomplish, their budget, and what functions they > would perfer to automate rather than do manually. I have limited need to > print charts so PAF Companion or other charting programs are of low interest > to me. Others are charting fools. Non-members, or members who are only > submitting occasional names to the temple, may not see a need for programs > such as Insight that speed up the search for ordinance information. And of > course, very fine genealogy can still be done with paper and pencil and no > software at all. > > What would probably be most valuable for your meeting is an outline of what > each piece of software does, what it costs, and perhaps a short > demonstration of how it might be of benefit in a particular situation. > Beyond that, it is such an individual decision (like what is the best car to > buy) that each person has to evaluate their own needs and desires. > > I will send you in another email a 4 page Word document of a presentation I > gave last summer of "Software Gems" for the genealogist. It has a (very) > short description of what the software does and includes web links so people > can go to the site and research it for themselves. And since many are free > programs anyway, they can test those with no financial commitment. Feel free > to make copies to hand out. > > Gary Templeman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Filbert" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:14 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] PAF add-ons > > >>I truly do not want to start an immense argument, but, since PAF is not >>updating, what additional software should a researcher purchase. Example, >>PAFwiz, PAF Pal, PAF Insight, Ancestral Quest, etc. >> Many at the local FHC are turning to Legacy, but some of us want to stay >> with PAF. >> Can someone give some guidelines that I can share at the next librarians >> meeting. >> Ruth >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1316 - Release Date: 6/03/2008 6:58 p.m. > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 191 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len
Thanks so very much for all of the advice and information that I have received from all of you. I know that this mail list is so helpful. Ruth
Hi Renee, I have spent many thousands of hours using PAF and maybe 200 using PAF Insight, with no crashes or lost data. I consider PAF to one of the most reliable programs I have. Legacy6 on the otherhand (the free version) crashes from time to time on my computer. (I guess it comes to the caveat in new car brochures: "Actual mileage may vary depending upon the driver.") Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Zamora" <[email protected]> > At least with the IGI search features in Legacy and RootsMagic you don't get the > disappointment of the program crashing after doing hours of work and loosing > everything you got off the IGI like you see happen with PAF Insight and PAF. > > > Renee Zamora > www.harrisena.com
Dear listers, Since you are working with a PAF 5 data file, the correct format as far as paf5datescanner is concerned is what PAF 5 allows. You will note that PAF 5 will accept a variity of date formats but always converts the date you input to a format of ddmmyyyy or the format you select in your preferences. Lynn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:18:44 EDT > > > In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > However, that is not my main message. The > > add-on I would like to tell you about is > > called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program > > will scan all the dates in your PAF 5 data > > file and inform you of all those that are not > > in the correct format. > Good Morning from Chilly Florida > Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this > according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? > Church format? Someone else's format? > Formats as you put them in the system? > Thanks in advance > Doug Burnett > Satellite Beach > FL > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >
Fred I think you should give us an example of what you are mentioning, so we can understand your point? Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "FredV" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > And one of the things that has always bothered me, is folks "correcting" > the > double dates required by the 1700's (US and England)calendar change..The > date program someone mentioned here yesterday had a problem with > them..From > - to and Feb 29 with a double year showed as an error...:-) > > > Regards, Fred
And one of the things that has always bothered me, is folks "correcting" the double dates required by the 1700's (US and England)calendar change..The date program someone mentioned here yesterday had a problem with them..From - to and Feb 29 with a double year showed as an error...:-) Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross G.H. Cotton Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 The only CORRECT format is one that other People (the reader) will understand what is meant. There are recommended formats. The one I use, based on 25 years of experience, is to ensure the month is shown in Characters, not numbers. This can be 12 Jan 1920, or Jan 12 1920, or 1920 Jan 12. Any worthwhile genealogy program will facilitate one of the above formats.
The only CORRECT format is one that other People (the reader) will understand what is meant. There are recommended formats. The one I use, based on 25 years of experience, is to ensure the month is shown in Characters, not numbers. This can be 12 Jan 1920, or Jan 12 1920, or 1920 Jan 12. Any worthwhile genealogy program will facilitate one of the above formats. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> However, that is not my main message. The add-on I would like to tell >> you >> about is called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program will scan all the >> dates in >> your PAF 5 data file and inform you of all those that are not in the >> correct >> format. > Good Morning from Chilly Florida > Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this > according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? Church format? Someone else's > format? > Formats as you put them in the system? > Thanks in advance > Doug Burnett > Satellite Beach > FL > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
That is an excellent point, when you see 1/12/1920. How can you tell if that is Jan 12, 1920 or Dec 1, 1920, if that format is used. Don Boudreaux Ross G.H. Cotton wrote: > The only CORRECT format is one that other People (the reader) will > understand what is meant. > > There are recommended formats. > > The one I use, based on 25 years of experience, is to ensure the month is > shown in Characters, not numbers. This can be 12 Jan 1920, or Jan 12 1920, > or 1920 Jan 12. > > Any worthwhile genealogy program will facilitate one of the above formats. > > > Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:18 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > > > >> In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> >>> However, that is not my main message. The add-on I would like to tell >>> you >>> about is called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program will scan all the >>> dates in >>> your PAF 5 data file and inform you of all those that are not in the >>> correct >>> format. >>> >> Good Morning from Chilly Florida >> Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this >> according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? Church format? Someone else's >> format? >> Formats as you put them in the system? >> Thanks in advance >> Doug Burnett >> Satellite Beach >> FL >> >> >> ************** >> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > However, that is not my main message. The add-on I would like to tell you > about is called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program will scan all the dates in > your PAF 5 data file and inform you of all those that are not in the correct > format. Good Morning from Chilly Florida Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? Church format? Someone else's format? Formats as you put them in the system? Thanks in advance Doug Burnett Satellite Beach FL ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)
>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Renee Zamora" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:51 PM >Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 38 > > > At least with the IGI search features in Legacy and RootsMagic you > don't get the > > disappointment of the program crashing after doing hours of work and > > loosing everything you got off the IGI like you see happen with PAF > Insight and PAF. > > Renee Zamora Renee, with one sentence you have lost all your credibility. Peter My computer problems are caused by a loose nut between the chair and the keyboard.
The date scanner just reads the date fields, gives you a list and tells you the potential problem, such as a Feb 29 in a year that is not a leap year, or extra characters that should not be part of a date. It is up to you to make the changes. I have posted a sample of the output below. Gary RIN: 250 -- Joan /Gaylord/ death: W.D. APR 1634 RIN: 407 -- Isabell /Harvey/ baptism: 15 FEBV 1958 RIN: 469 -- Christopher /Sydenham/ death: W/D 15 MAY 1525 RIN: 534 -- Joane (Jane) /Carminow/ birth: 1427 (15-1443) RIN: 560 -- Elizabeth /FitzWalter/ Baroness Dinham death: BETW JUN 1483/AUG 1485 RIN: 599 -- Henry /Beaumont/ Baron Beaumont death: 17 JUN 25 JUL 1369 MRIN: 16 -- Husband's RIN 24 Wife's RIN 25 marriage: 25 JUN 1973 SL MRIN: 222 -- Husband's RIN 176 Wife's RIN 823 seal spouse: 30 MAR 1933 ALBER (PS) MRIN: 476 -- Husband's RIN 512 Wife's RIN 513 marriage: BEF ABT 1440 MRIN: 505 -- Husband's RIN 567 Wife's RIN 568 marriage: BTW 6 FEB 1435/6 & 23 MAR 1436/7 MRIN: 557 -- Husband's RIN 547 Wife's RIN 1066 marriage: NOT MD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Boudreaux" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 > That is an excellent point, when you see 1/12/1920. How can you tell if > that is > Jan 12, 1920 or Dec 1, 1920, if that format is used. > > Don Boudreaux > > Ross G.H. Cotton wrote: >> The only CORRECT format is one that other People (the reader) will >> understand what is meant. >> >> There are recommended formats. >> >> The one I use, based on 25 years of experience, is to ensure the month is >> shown in Characters, not numbers. This can be 12 Jan 1920, or Jan 12 >> 1920, >> or 1920 Jan 12. >> >> Any worthwhile genealogy program will facilitate one of the above >> formats. >> >> >> Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 >> Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma >> I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above >> >> GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 >> Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide >> see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39 >> >> >> >>> In a message dated 3/9/2008 4:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> >>>> However, that is not my main message. The add-on I would like to tell >>>> you >>>> about is called "PAF 5 datescanner". This program will scan all the >>>> dates in >>>> your PAF 5 data file and inform you of all those that are not in the >>>> correct >>>> format. >>>> >>> Good Morning from Chilly Florida >>> Could you please expand on what you mean by correct format? Is this >>> according to Mrs Mills Book on citations? Church format? Someone else's >>> format? >>> Formats as you put them in the system? >>> Thanks in advance >>> Doug Burnett >>> Satellite Beach >>> FL >>> >>> >>> ************** >>> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >>> Finance. >>> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
For the record, I have NEVER had PAF and PAF Insight crash and lose work, and that includes my computer or to my knowledge anyone using the 7 computers I maintain at our FHC. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Zamora" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 38 > If they really want to stay with PAF I would recommend they go with Family > Insight (previously known as PAF Insight) or Ancestral Quest. That way > they > can sync with New FamilySearch when it becomes available. > > Many may not be aware of it but Legacy and RootsMagic both have built into > them a feature similar to PAF Insight and can search the IIGI and will > sync > with NFS. They have many more bells and whistles included in them and are > cheaper than buying all those PAF add-ons they might be considering. > > These programs are free for FHCs and can be tried out there or you can > download demo's from their website. I would recommend they try all the > programs out there and then make their decisions. Just because they are > familiar with PAF and consider it easier to use they might be surprised at > how much user friendly the other commercial programs really are. At least > with the IGI search features in Legacy and RootsMagic you don't get the > disappointment of the program crashing after doing hours of work and > loosing > everything you got off the IGI like you see happen with PAF Insight and > PAF. > > > Renee Zamora > www.harrisena.com >