If you haven't seen this one, it's here: http://ldstech.org/2008/03/31/official-statement-on-the-future-of-personal-ancestral-file-paf/ Mike St. Clair

Mary Gagne; I understand your frustration. I married a convert. There were some things (e.g. Nawatha Jewel a Cherokee Indian) that they simply would not talk about. Even so since they are from Georgia, South Carolina & Florida they were much more interested in "family" than most non-LDS. Eventually, I found one member of that family who was actively persuing the research. We collaborated. After about twenty years of marriage I began to actively research my wife's family. For reasons that I do not understand when she realized that I had discovered some new information (a family in one of the censuses) she then began to take an active interest in it. But prior to that -- nothing. Richard Mary Gagne wrote: > Thanks. It is me doing the research. Unfortunately neither he nor his > 2 living brothers are "into" genealogy and so it falls upon me. I don't > mind, but it is difficult to do much "chasing" down of the family, since > they seem to know very little about their ancestors. > > Mary > > > Richard Halliday wrote: > >> Mary; >> The answer is "Maybe". If he is not doing research, then I >> generally recommend one file. >> If he is doing research then I recommend two files. Include both >> husband and wife in both files, but include the children in only one >> file as this makes it much easier to keep track of the entry of >> children's events (birth, baptism, marriage, grandchildren, etc.) >> Richard L. Halliday >> West Linn, Oregon (Land of natural beauty and human foolishness) >> >> Mary Gagne wrote: >> >> >>> Is it advisable to make a separate file when working on my husband's >>> family? I have one PAF, starting with me and going back on both >>> parent's sides. Now I want to do the same thing with my husband in >>> place "one". Separate PAFs the best way to go? >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Backupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackup Amen Gary! One can not mention it enough. I just finished recovering deleted files from a friends computer. He had one of those senior moments and away went two years of hard work. He showed up at my door with tears in his eye. I spent the better part of two days recovering his data. Best regards, Dave Vaughan Backupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackupbackup Gary Templeman wrote: > It has already been mentioned that these files are backup files. The zip > file with the same name as the deleted database can also be deleted as long > as you are certain there is nothing in there you might ever need again. With > hard drive space as big and as cheap as it is nowadays, I would not delete, > but move it into a new folder named something like archives, obsolete > databases, etc. While it is good to be neet and tidy, many people have > regretted deleting old databases and GEDCOMs. Far better to burn them to a > CD and stick it in the attic > > This brings up the need for another reminder about backups in general. Those > zip files should not be your only backups. There should be backups of some > sort made to one or more other media (flash drive, CD, etc.) AND to some > off-site location. > > Gary Templeman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Cazier" <[email protected]> > To: "PAF5 Users" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:02 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] Files Cleanup > > > >> Need a little help. I've just gone thru my PAF files to clean them up. >> I've deleted all of the GEDCOMs that I no longer need and the list files >> that went with them. >> >> That leaves me with only the various PAF databases that I use and one >> other kind of files. >> >> These files described as "Compressed (Zipped) Folder." There is one >> associated with each PAF database and one extra that doesn't associate >> with a datase. What are these files? And if they are something I should >> keep for each database, how do I delete the one that has no association. >> I think I deleted a database by the same name because I no longer needed >> it. >> >> Any help appreciated. >> Dick Cazier >> Lakewood, CO >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks. It is me doing the research. Unfortunately neither he nor his 2 living brothers are "into" genealogy and so it falls upon me. I don't mind, but it is difficult to do much "chasing" down of the family, since they seem to know very little about their ancestors. Mary Richard Halliday wrote: > Mary; > The answer is "Maybe". If he is not doing research, then I > generally recommend one file. > If he is doing research then I recommend two files. Include both > husband and wife in both files, but include the children in only one > file as this makes it much easier to keep track of the entry of > children's events (birth, baptism, marriage, grandchildren, etc.) > Richard L. Halliday > West Linn, Oregon (Land of natural beauty and human foolishness) > > Mary Gagne wrote: > >> Is it advisable to make a separate file when working on my husband's >> family? I have one PAF, starting with me and going back on both >> parent's sides. Now I want to do the same thing with my husband in >> place "one". Separate PAFs the best way to go? >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Mary; The answer is "Maybe". If he is not doing research, then I generally recommend one file. If he is doing research then I recommend two files. Include both husband and wife in both files, but include the children in only one file as this makes it much easier to keep track of the entry of children's events (birth, baptism, marriage, grandchildren, etc.) Richard L. Halliday West Linn, Oregon (Land of natural beauty and human foolishness) Mary Gagne wrote: > Is it advisable to make a separate file when working on my husband's > family? I have one PAF, starting with me and going back on both > parent's sides. Now I want to do the same thing with my husband in > place "one". Separate PAFs the best way to go? > > Mary > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It has already been mentioned that these files are backup files. The zip file with the same name as the deleted database can also be deleted as long as you are certain there is nothing in there you might ever need again. With hard drive space as big and as cheap as it is nowadays, I would not delete, but move it into a new folder named something like archives, obsolete databases, etc. While it is good to be neet and tidy, many people have regretted deleting old databases and GEDCOMs. Far better to burn them to a CD and stick it in the attic This brings up the need for another reminder about backups in general. Those zip files should not be your only backups. There should be backups of some sort made to one or more other media (flash drive, CD, etc.) AND to some off-site location. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Cazier" <[email protected]> To: "PAF5 Users" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Files Cleanup > Need a little help. I've just gone thru my PAF files to clean them up. > I've deleted all of the GEDCOMs that I no longer need and the list files > that went with them. > > That leaves me with only the various PAF databases that I use and one > other kind of files. > > These files described as "Compressed (Zipped) Folder." There is one > associated with each PAF database and one extra that doesn't associate > with a datase. What are these files? And if they are something I should > keep for each database, how do I delete the one that has no association. > I think I deleted a database by the same name because I no longer needed > it. > > Any help appreciated. > Dick Cazier > Lakewood, CO > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Need a little help. I've just gone thru my PAF files to clean them up. I've deleted all of the GEDCOMs that I no longer need and the list files that went with them. That leaves me with only the various PAF databases that I use and one other kind of files. These files described as "Compressed (Zipped) Folder." There is one associated with each PAF database and one extra that doesn't associate with a datase. What are these files? And if they are something I should keep for each database, how do I delete the one that has no association. I think I deleted a database by the same name because I no longer needed it. Any help appreciated. Dick Cazier Lakewood, CO

As a guess, I would say that the zipped files are back-ups. Aloha Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dick Cazier Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:03 PM To: PAF5 Users Subject: [PAF-5] Files Cleanup Need a little help. I've just gone thru my PAF files to clean them up. I've deleted all of the GEDCOMs that I no longer need and the list files that went with them. That leaves me with only the various PAF databases that I use and one other kind of files. These files described as "Compressed (Zipped) Folder." There is one associated with each PAF database and one extra that doesn't associate with a datase. What are these files? And if they are something I should keep for each database, how do I delete the one that has no association. I think I deleted a database by the same name because I no longer needed it. Any help appreciated. Dick Cazier Lakewood, CO ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The zip files are most likely PAF backups. If they are the same name as your PAF files then that is almost certainly what they are. To see what is in a zip file, you can use use your My Computer or My Documents program and double click on the file. That will open the zip file as if it were a folder. You can then see what file is stored inside the zip file. Aloha, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Cazier" <[email protected]> To: "PAF5 Users" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Files Cleanup > Need a little help. I've just gone thru my PAF files to clean them up. > I've deleted all of the GEDCOMs that I no longer need and the list files > that went with them. > > That leaves me with only the various PAF databases that I use and one > other kind of files. > > These files described as "Compressed (Zipped) Folder." There is one > associated with each PAF database and one extra that doesn't associate > with a datase. What are these files? And if they are something I should > keep for each database, how do I delete the one that has no association. > I think I deleted a database by the same name because I no longer needed > it. > > Any help appreciated. > Dick Cazier > Lakewood, CO > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 03:33 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote: >PAF, BY ITSELF, will not work directly with NFS but that is OK >because FamilyInsight will act as the connection between PAF and >NFS. And if you already have PAF Insight, FamilyInsight will be a >regular update for >you. No need to do anything special. When FamilyInsight is released, >PAF Insight will notify you that there is an update and ask if you >want to install it. >FamilyInsight is one of the commercial programs that Gordon was referring to. As a user of PAF, (I also have other genealogical programs I use) but I like PAF but I don't understand the reference to not working directly with NFS? I assume this is a feature that other programs have which allow you to check on an individual and do an search on the Internet. I know that some of the other programs do that, and sometime I find it useful, sometimes I don't. I do wish that the search engines on sites such Footnote, Ascestry, WorldVitalRecords were better. When you know somethings are true and you want other things, it is less than desirable to have 1930 Census records come up for a person you know was born in 174? and died by 184?.

Dick, >From your description of how you have used "Source Titles" and "Source Citations" it would seem you have used them correctly, i.e., each source title to have multiple citation detailed entries. As long as - in creating each source citation you do nothing to enter any details into any of the "Source Title" fields and in using a "Source Title" you have "Selected" it and not "Copied" it. I have used gedcom import/export many times and have never had the result you described - in every case, my single source title and multiple citation entries have been preserved exactly as per the original. This doesn't help you - but I am forced to say the problem is not with paf import/export. I would give the "Merge Duplicate Sources and Citations" a go - on a test data base of course. Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dick Cazier Sent: 29 March 2008 23:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [PAF-5] Source info-exporting from one file & importing into another file I have just created a new file for my family, exporting data from a Master File I started when I first started research. The Master File is now about 32,000 individuals and includes many, many people who are not remotely related to me. I included neighbors of my ancestors, thinking that I might develop new marriage ties. Way back when people never went very far to find spouses. I'm now starting a new file that includes only those folks who are related to me, either by blood or by marriage. I'm doing it by export from the Master and importing into the new file. That's were my source data problems starts. Because of the size of the Master File, I developed a method of using a single source title for a given source. This was done so my Source List would not contain thousands of entries. An example is marriage records. I entered only a few source titles for it; like Marriage Records, DeWitt County, IL. I titled it this way, completed everything except the Citation Detail section and saved it. Then, when I found a new individual who was married there, I brought up that source and completed the Citation Detail section; copy of the marriage license (if I got it) or the Marriage Index, including Book & Page # where the license was located. Since I have over a hundred marriages in that county, I was able to have only one source title, rather than over 100, in my source list. I did the same with almost all of my sources, such as death records, cemetery headstone readings, census records, etc. This limited my source list to about 400 titles, rather than over 100,000 (assuming 3! sources for each person and I know it would be a lot more that 3 per person). This is the problem. After the export/import, the new file has 1550 entries on the Source List for a file that has only 3200 people in it. That is 400 titles for 32,000 names vs. 1,550 titles for on 3,200 people. I've figured out what happened. For the individuals exported/imported, each source was imported as a new source title; (i.e. everyone with a marriage in DeWitt County in the Master File(about 100 of them) had 1 Source title, with different Citation Details for each) and in the new database that came out to about 100 source titles, all the same Title and the individual citation details. When I go to Edit the Source List, I can't figure out which Source goes with which individual. Even if I could, I can't figure a way to get all 100 of them down to a single title with 100 different citation detail entries. I'm not sure if merging sources will merge all entries with the same title and repository. If it does then the source on everyone will have the same citation detail and only 1 of the 100 will be correct. If it merges them only when the title, repository and citation detail match, then I'll still have the 100 source titles in my source list. I hope this explanation of my problem is coherent and understandable. Can someone explain to me how I can get the new database to have only one Marriage Records for DeWitt County in the new database file Source List and still have the correct Citation Detail in the individual records for folks married in the county? The problem exists for almost every source title in Master File database. Thanks for any help I can get. Dick Cazier Lakewood, CO ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken: First of all, AQ will also print some reports in RTF, so you can edit them in Word -- these are the two narrative reports, the Ahnentafel and the Modified Register. AQ will also print these two reports in WordPerfect format, for those who use WordPerfect rather than Word. AQ will also print most other reports in Text format, so that these could be edited or sent via e-mail to an associate. Now, here's the cool twist. Just as AQ can enhance PAF, in this area PAF can enhance AQ. If you are using AQ, and need to print a report that AQ doesn't handle in RTF format, just use PAF to produce the report. The fact that both AQ and PAF use the same .paf database allows you to do this without exporting or importing any data. Gaylon Ken Guilette wrote: > Lila Said > >> 1. No capability of editing reports that are printed to file -- they print >> into Adobe. PAF Print-to-File opens in Word. Sometimes I think I'm the >> only >> one who edits reports, possibly because it's a little tricky. After you >> get >> the idea, editing is quite easy. >> > > You are not the only one who edits reports. Is there a "work around" in AQ > since I only have Acrobat Reader? > > Regards > > Ken Guilette > South Barrington, IL USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF End-of-Life Announcement > > > >> Two problems with AQ, and as far as I know, all other software: >> >> 1. No capability of editing reports that are printed to file -- they print >> into Adobe. PAF Print-to-File opens in Word. Sometimes I think I'm the >> only >> one who edits reports, possibly because it's a little tricky. After you >> get >> the idea, editing is quite easy. >> >> 2. No capability of switching languages. It's very nice to use the >> non-English-speaking cousin's native language for reports. All the clues >> are >> in the target language. Notes, of course, remain in the language in which >> they are written. >> >> It's hard to understand why the Family History Department would abandon >> PAF, >> after they have gone to the trouble of creating and supporting these >> excellent features. >> >> I second the comment about the great help that's available from Gaylon at >> AQ. >> >> Lila >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: 29 March, 2008 12:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF End-of-Life Announcement >> >> >> >>> I believe either Legacy or Ancestral Quest would be a good choice.? >>> However, I believe I would go with AQ because of the great HELP that's >>> available from Gaylon. >>> >>> Howard Johnston >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Richard Halliday <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:40 am >>> Subject: [PAF-5] PAF End-of-Life Announcement >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All; >>> Yesterday I received the following from a friend. As a result I am >>> now looking at Legacy and Ancestral Quest. My tentative conclusion is >>> Ancestral Quest. Since it was the origin of PAF 4 & 5 it looks more >>> familiar, it appears to handle the source citations better, its date >>> modifiers (abt, bef, est, etc.) seem to be more familiar and it already >>> has at least a partial interface with new FamilySearch. >>> Comments? >>> Richard L. Halliday >>> West Linn, Oregon (where Winter Springs Right Back" {this >>> morning's Oregonian}) >>> "If the Lord wanted it done perfectly, >>> He would not let me help." >>> >>> "Also at the conference,it was announced that a group of developers has >>> created an extension to the PAF database file format allowing continued >>> use of PAF files with the new capabilities of NFS. Commercial programs >>> equipped with this extension will be able to support existing PAF files >>> while simultaneously providing the advantages and new features of NFS." >>> >>> Those "developers" are Gaylon Findlay (developer of Ancestral Quest) and >>> John Vilburn (developer of PAF Insight). Ancestral Quest 12 already >>> exploits some of the extensions when used in its "PAF mode". >>> >>> Gaylon made this presentation at the Developers Conference: >>> [Wed., March 12] 11:00 Gaylon Findlay >>> PAF SDK/ Sync (C++) >>> The basic layout of the PAF 5 database structure will be covered, along >>> with the basics of using the PAF 5 SDK provided by the Church. From this >>> base, we will discuss the recent changes engineered by Incline Software >>> and Ohana Software to allow syncing with the new FamilySearch Family >>> Tree. http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwgeneal/familysearch >>> http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwgeneal/familysearch/class_description.cfm >>> >>> "If you go here and scroll down to the schedule you will find links to >>> the presentations. The presentations are available in PowerPoint, PDF or >>> Adobe Connect. Adobe Connect gives you the screen capture with the audio >>> portion of the presentation. The next best thing to being there." >>> -Renee's Genealogy Blog : >>> http://devnet.familysearch.org/Members/clarkegj/march-3-2008-familysearch-developers-conference >>> >>> >>> --- Lesly Klippel <[email protected]: >>> >>> Subject: Future of PAF >>> >>> Here is an interesting item I found on the "Ancestry Insider" blog. >>> >>> Mike Benning >>> >>> ========================================== >>> >>> Gordon Clarke (Family History Department) read an official statement at >>> the FamilySearch Developers Conference today announcing future migration >>> paths available to users of the venerable PAF genealogy software. Once >>> New FamilySearch (NFS) is fully available, PAF users will have several >>> migration options available. Users can perform a one-time transfer of >>> their data to NFS, which like PAF, will be free. Or users can purchase a >>> commercial genealogy program, many of which are currently developing >>> support for NFS. Also at the conference, it was announced that a group >>> of developers has created an extension to the PAF database file format >>> allowing continued use of PAF files with the new capabilities of NFS. >>> Commercial programs equipped with this extension will be able to support >>> existing PAF files while simultaneously providing the advantages and new >>> features of NFS. >>> >>> The announcement is essentially an end-of-life announcement for PAF and >>> puts to rest rumors that PAF was dead already as well as rumors that >>> FamilySearch would make one more release of PAF with New FamilySearch >>> support. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of >>> the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Gary, IT WORKED!!!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I created a new database: my mother's name (Experimental) and imported her entire one into the experimenal one. Then I did a Merge Duplicate Sources and Citations. My # of sources went from 1,550 down to 102. I spot checked a number of sources for burial places, knowing that they would vary a lot, and found that the Source Titles were correct and Citation Detail entries were all different and correct. Thanks you again. I made one additional discovery. The same source/citation detail entries are repeated several times on each person. The # of times seems to be related to the # of times that person was match/merged. It's going to take quite a while to go through the entire file to delete the duplicates, but I can deal with that now that I know the data is all correct. This whole list membership is very helpful to all of us. Thanks to all of you who responded. Dick Cazier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Templeman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Source info-exporting from one file & importingintoanother file > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Cazier" <[email protected]> > I'm not sure if merging sources will merge all entries with the same > title > and repository. If it does then the source on everyone will have the same > citation detail and only 1 of the 100 will be correct. If it merges them > only when the title, repository and citation detail match, then I'll still > have the 100 source titles in my source list. > > Well, anytime an issue like this comes up, an easy way to tell is to make > a > copy of the database file, and then simply try it on the copy. If it works > then delete the original. If it doesn't, delete the copy. > > Gary Templeman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Stewart, What or how would you copy the "Source Title". I have always "selected" for title but I do used the "memorize citation" for the next part. Will this be OK. As long as - in creating each source citation you do nothing to enter any details into any of the "Source Title" fields and in using a "Source Title" you have "Selected" it and not "Copied" it. What or how would you copy the "Source Title". I have always "selected" for title but I do used the "memorize citation" for the next part. Will this be OK. Mildred in Oregon Stewart Millar wrote: > Dick, > > >From your description of how you have used "Source Titles" and "Source > Citations" it would seem you have used them correctly, i.e., each source > title to have multiple citation detailed entries. > > As long as - in creating each source citation you do nothing to enter any > details into any of the "Source Title" fields and in using a "Source Title" > you have "Selected" it and not "Copied" it. > > I have used gedcom import/export many times and have never had the result > you described - in every case, my single source title and multiple citation > entries have been preserved exactly as per the original. > > This doesn't help you - but I am forced to say the problem is not with paf > import/export. > > I would give the "Merge Duplicate Sources and Citations" a go - on a test > data base of course. > > Regards, > Stewart > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dick Cazier > Sent: 29 March 2008 23:22 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PAF-5] Source info-exporting from one file & importing into > another file > > I have just created a new file for my family, exporting data from a Master > File I started when I first started research. The Master File is now about > 32,000 individuals and includes many, many people who are not remotely > related to me. I included neighbors of my ancestors, thinking that I might > develop new marriage ties. Way back when people never went very far to find > spouses. > > I'm now starting a new file that includes only those folks who are related > to me, either by blood or by marriage. I'm doing it by export from the > Master and importing into the new file. That's were my source data problems > starts. > > Because of the size of the Master File, I developed a method of using a > single source title for a given source. This was done so my Source List > would not contain thousands of entries. An example is marriage records. I > entered only a few source titles for it; like Marriage Records, DeWitt > County, IL. I titled it this way, completed everything except the Citation > Detail section and saved it. Then, when I found a new individual who was > married there, I brought up that source and completed the Citation Detail > section; copy of the marriage license (if I got it) or the Marriage Index, > including Book & Page # where the license was located. Since I have over a > hundred marriages in that county, I was able to have only one source title, > rather than over 100, in my source list. I did the same with almost all of > my sources, such as death records, cemetery headstone readings, census > records, etc. This limited my source list to about 400 titles, rather than > over 100,000 (assuming 3! > sources for each person and I know it would be a lot more that 3 per > person). > > This is the problem. After the export/import, the new file has 1550 entries > on the Source List for a file that has only 3200 people in it. That is 400 > titles for 32,000 names vs. 1,550 titles for on 3,200 people. > > I've figured out what happened. For the individuals exported/imported, each > source was imported as a new source title; (i.e. everyone with a marriage in > DeWitt County in the Master File(about 100 of them) had 1 Source title, with > different Citation Details for each) and in the new database that came out > to about 100 source titles, all the same Title and the individual citation > details. When I go to Edit the Source List, I can't figure out which Source > goes with which individual. Even if I could, I can't figure a way to get > all 100 of them down to a single title with 100 different citation detail > entries. I'm not sure if merging sources will merge all entries with the > same title and repository. If it does then the source on everyone will have > the same citation detail and only 1 of the 100 will be correct. If it > merges them only when the title, repository and citation detail match, then > I'll still have the 100 source titles in my source list. > > I hope this explanation of my problem is coherent and understandable. Can > someone explain to me how I can get the new database to have only one > Marriage Records for DeWitt County in the new database file Source List and > still have the correct Citation Detail in the individual records for folks > married in the county? The problem exists for almost every source title in > Master File database. > > Thanks for any help I can get. > Dick Cazier > Lakewood, CO > > >

Dick, I would wonder if a better approach might be to use Save As to save a duplicate copy of the big database, and then delete the unrelated lines from that copy. It is as simple as selecting the people for Export (including entire family lines) and clicking Delete instead, on the Select Individuals screen. This is a powerful but dangerous tool. I always feel apprehensive when suggesting it, because the deleted names and family lines are GONE. The only way to get them back is to restore a previous backup or switch to a different copy of the file where the deletion hasn't taken place. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Cazier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Source info-exporting from one file & importing intoanother file > I have just created a new file for my family, exporting data from a Master File I started when I first started research. The Master File is now about 32,000 individuals and includes many, many people who are not remotely related to me. I included neighbors of my ancestors, thinking that I might develop new marriage ties. Way back when people never went very far to find spouses. > > I'm now starting a new file that includes only those folks who are related to me, either by blood or by marriage. I'm doing it by export from the Master and importing into the new file. That's were my source data problems starts. > > Because of the size of the Master File, I developed a method of using a single source title for a given source. This was done so my Source List would not contain thousands of entries. An example is marriage records. I entered only a few source titles for it; like Marriage Records, DeWitt County, IL. I titled it this way, completed everything except the Citation Detail section and saved it. Then, when I found a new individual who was married there, I brought up that source and completed the Citation Detail section; copy of the marriage license (if I got it) or the Marriage Index, including Book & Page # where the license was located. Since I have over a hundred marriages in that county, I was able to have only one source title, rather than over 100, in my source list. I did the same with almost all of my sources, such as death records, cemetery headstone readings, census records, etc. This limited my source list to about 400 titles, rather than over 100,000 (assuming 3! > sources for each person and I know it would be a lot more that 3 per person). > > This is the problem. After the export/import, the new file has 1550 entries on the Source List for a file that has only 3200 people in it. That is 400 titles for 32,000 names vs. 1,550 titles for on 3,200 people. > > I've figured out what happened. For the individuals exported/imported, each source was imported as a new source title; (i.e. everyone with a marriage in DeWitt County in the Master File(about 100 of them) had 1 Source title, with different Citation Details for each) and in the new database that came out to about 100 source titles, all the same Title and the individual citation details. When I go to Edit the Source List, I can't figure out which Source goes with which individual. Even if I could, I can't figure a way to get all 100 of them down to a single title with 100 different citation detail entries. I'm not sure if merging sources will merge all entries with the same title and repository. If it does then the source on everyone will have the same citation detail and only 1 of the 100 will be correct. If it merges them only when the title, repository and citation detail match, then I'll still have the 100 source titles in my source list. > > I hope this explanation of my problem is coherent and understandable. Can someone explain to me how I can get the new database to have only one Marriage Records for DeWitt County in the new database file Source List and still have the correct Citation Detail in the individual records for folks married in the county? The problem exists for almost every source title in Master File database. > > Thanks for any help I can get. > Dick Cazier > Lakewood, CO > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM > >

I use PAF because it is simple to use and also simple and straight forward to explain to non gen relations I do also use PAF companion for charts When first into genealogy I bought Pedigree and have tried Legacy too. Recently a friend bought me a copy of TMG as it was on offer to current users but I haven't done much with it . I will still stick to PAF Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross G.H. Cotton" <[email protected]> To: "Ann" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF End-of-Life Announcement > Ann > I'm with you, as I don't plan on changing my data from PAF. However I > do like to use AQ or PAF Wiz for certain enhancements, but not to change > the data from PAF. > > And > I do agree with all the others about fantastic help from Gaylon. > > Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF End-of-Life Announcement > > >> How does or will that effect anybody still wanting to carry on using paf >> as >> it is. >> I have a database with 20,000 individuals in it from over 20 of research >> and am happy as I am..Ok I am a stick in the mud but "end of life >> announcements" surely don't actually mean that the programme stop working >> just because there will be no more updates or enhancements to it. >> >> I for one, am happy without all the add ons,. >> Ann >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Halliday" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 5:40 PM >> Subject: [PAF-5] PAF End-of-Life Announcement >> >> >>> All; >>> Yesterday I received the following from a friend. As a result I am >>> now looking at Legacy and Ancestral Quest. My tentative conclusion is >>> Ancestral Quest. Since it was the origin of PAF 4 & 5 it looks more >>> familiar, it appears to handle the source citations better, its date >>> modifiers (abt, bef, est, etc.) seem to be more familiar and it already >>> has at least a partial interface with new FamilySearch. >>> Comments? >>> Richard L. Halliday >>> West Linn, Oregon (where Winter Springs Right Back" {this >>> morning's Oregonian}) >>> "If the Lord wanted it done perfectly, >>> He would not let me help." >>> >>> "Also at the conference,it was announced that a group of developers has >>> created an extension to the PAF database file format allowing continued >>> use of PAF files with the new capabilities of NFS. Commercial programs >>> equipped with this extension will be able to support existing PAF files >>> while simultaneously providing the advantages and new features of NFS." >>> >>> Those "developers" are Gaylon Findlay (developer of Ancestral Quest) and >>> John Vilburn (developer of PAF Insight). Ancestral Quest 12 already >>> exploits some of the extensions when used in its "PAF mode". >>> >>> Gaylon made this presentation at the Developers Conference: >>> [Wed., March 12] 11:00 Gaylon Findlay >>> PAF SDK/ Sync (C++) >>> The basic layout of the PAF 5 database structure will be covered, along >>> with the basics of using the PAF 5 SDK provided by the Church. From this >>> base, we will discuss the recent changes engineered by Incline Software >>> and Ohana Software to allow syncing with the new FamilySearch Family >>> Tree. http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwgeneal/familysearch >>> http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwgeneal/familysearch/class_description.cfm >>> >>> "If you go here and scroll down to the schedule you will find links to >>> the presentations. The presentations are available in PowerPoint, PDF or >>> Adobe Connect. Adobe Connect gives you the screen capture with the audio >>> portion of the presentation. The next best thing to being there." >>> -Renee's Genealogy Blog : >>> http://devnet.familysearch.org/Members/clarkegj/march-3-2008-familysearch-developers-conference >>> >>> >>> --- Lesly Klippel <[email protected]: >>> >>> Subject: Future of PAF >>> >>> Here is an interesting item I found on the "Ancestry Insider" blog. >>> >>> Mike Benning >>> >>> ========================================== >>> >>> Gordon Clarke (Family History Department) read an official statement at >>> the FamilySearch Developers Conference today announcing future migration >>> paths available to users of the venerable PAF genealogy software. Once >>> New FamilySearch (NFS) is fully available, PAF users will have several >>> migration options available. Users can perform a one-time transfer of >>> their data to NFS, which like PAF, will be free. Or users can purchase a >>> commercial genealogy program, many of which are currently developing >>> support for NFS. Also at the conference, it was announced that a group >>> of developers has created an extension to the PAF database file format >>> allowing continued use of PAF files with the new capabilities of NFS. >>> Commercial programs equipped with this extension will be able to support >>> existing PAF files while simultaneously providing the advantages and new >>> features of NFS. >>> >>> The announcement is essentially an end-of-life announcement for PAF and >>> puts to rest rumors that PAF was dead already as well as rumors that >>> FamilySearch would make one more release of PAF with New FamilySearch >>> support. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Cazier" <[email protected]> I'm not sure if merging sources will merge all entries with the same title and repository. If it does then the source on everyone will have the same citation detail and only 1 of the 100 will be correct. If it merges them only when the title, repository and citation detail match, then I'll still have the 100 source titles in my source list. Well, anytime an issue like this comes up, an easy way to tell is to make a copy of the database file, and then simply try it on the copy. If it works then delete the original. If it doesn't, delete the copy. Gary Templeman

How does or will that effect anybody still wanting to carry on using paf as it is. I have a database with 20,000 individuals in it from over 20 of research and am happy as I am..Ok I am a stick in the mud but "end of life announcements" surely don't actually mean that the programme stop working just because there will be no more updates or enhancements to it. I for one, am happy without all the add ons,. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Halliday" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: [PAF-5] PAF End-of-Life Announcement > All; > Yesterday I received the following from a friend. As a result I am > now looking at Legacy and Ancestral Quest. My tentative conclusion is > Ancestral Quest. Since it was the origin of PAF 4 & 5 it looks more > familiar, it appears to handle the source citations better, its date > modifiers (abt, bef, est, etc.) seem to be more familiar and it already > has at least a partial interface with new FamilySearch. > Comments? > Richard L. Halliday > West Linn, Oregon (where Winter Springs Right Back" {this > morning's Oregonian}) > "If the Lord wanted it done perfectly, > He would not let me help." > > "Also at the conference,it was announced that a group of developers has > created an extension to the PAF database file format allowing continued > use of PAF files with the new capabilities of NFS. Commercial programs > equipped with this extension will be able to support existing PAF files > while simultaneously providing the advantages and new features of NFS." > > Those "developers" are Gaylon Findlay (developer of Ancestral Quest) and > John Vilburn (developer of PAF Insight). Ancestral Quest 12 already > exploits some of the extensions when used in its "PAF mode". > > Gaylon made this presentation at the Developers Conference: > [Wed., March 12] 11:00 Gaylon Findlay > PAF SDK/ Sync (C++) > The basic layout of the PAF 5 database structure will be covered, along > with the basics of using the PAF 5 SDK provided by the Church. From this > base, we will discuss the recent changes engineered by Incline Software > and Ohana Software to allow syncing with the new FamilySearch Family > Tree. http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwgeneal/familysearch > http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwgeneal/familysearch/class_description.cfm > > "If you go here and scroll down to the schedule you will find links to > the presentations. The presentations are available in PowerPoint, PDF or > Adobe Connect. Adobe Connect gives you the screen capture with the audio > portion of the presentation. The next best thing to being there." > -Renee's Genealogy Blog : > http://devnet.familysearch.org/Members/clarkegj/march-3-2008-familysearch-developers-conference > > > --- Lesly Klippel <[email protected]: > > Subject: Future of PAF > > Here is an interesting item I found on the "Ancestry Insider" blog. > > Mike Benning > > ========================================== > > Gordon Clarke (Family History Department) read an official statement at > the FamilySearch Developers Conference today announcing future migration > paths available to users of the venerable PAF genealogy software. Once > New FamilySearch (NFS) is fully available, PAF users will have several > migration options available. Users can perform a one-time transfer of > their data to NFS, which like PAF, will be free. Or users can purchase a > commercial genealogy program, many of which are currently developing > support for NFS. Also at the conference, it was announced that a group > of developers has created an extension to the PAF database file format > allowing continued use of PAF files with the new capabilities of NFS. > Commercial programs equipped with this extension will be able to support > existing PAF files while simultaneously providing the advantages and new > features of NFS. > > The announcement is essentially an end-of-life announcement for PAF and > puts to rest rumors that PAF was dead already as well as rumors that > FamilySearch would make one more release of PAF with New FamilySearch > support. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary You ask about having different databases, one for you and one for your husband. At my User Group meetings this question comes up often and I have yet to find anybody that has tried it, and will recommend it. The only case I can remember, in which it seemed acceptable, involved an elderly couple, recently married, and with children of different spouses, and it is not expected they will have any children of their own. For my case I would not recommend it. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Gagne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Question > Is it advisable to make a separate file when working on my husband's > family? I have one PAF, starting with me and going back on both > parent's sides. Now I want to do the same thing with my husband in > place "one". Separate PAFs the best way to go? > > Mary > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to you Ross, and others who have given me their opinions. It looks like the best thing for me, then is to make them one database. Gee, I sure have lots to learn! Mary Ross G.H. Cotton wrote: > Mary > You ask about having different databases, one for you and one for your > husband. > > At my User Group meetings this question comes up often and I have yet to > find anybody that has tried it, and will recommend it. The only case I can > remember, in which it seemed acceptable, involved an elderly couple, > recently married, and with children of different spouses, and it is not > expected they will have any children of their own. > > For my case I would not recommend it. > > Ross GH Cotton, Burlington, ON, CAN 905)639-2929 > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name, COTTON, #1437 > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > see http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Gagne" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:18 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] Question > > > >> Is it advisable to make a separate file when working on my husband's >> family? I have one PAF, starting with me and going back on both >> parent's sides. Now I want to do the same thing with my husband in >> place "one". Separate PAFs the best way to go? >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >