Sometimes you gotta bit the bullet. (g) The only reason I use the "Write me a book" features is so I don't mess up the dates too badly! I always have to rewrite the rest of it so it sounds like me. Cheryl Gaylon Findlay wrote: > Cheryl: > > I haven't tried this, but I think you could. The problem with this > approach is that you'd lose all the nice formatting, and the text would > contain the information, but not be very pretty. > > If you're primarily working with the two narrative reports -- the > Ahnentafel and Modified Register, there are better ways to do this > (described below.) For other reports you might include such as fan > charts, descendant charts, pedigree charts, family group sheets, etc., > this text format would not be presentable in a published book. > > If you're primarily using the Ahnentafel and Modified Book reports in > your family book, don't even use the 'Publish a Family Book' feature. > Just create these reports to RTF or WordPerfect format, then use Word or > WordPerfect to combine the various smaller reports into a single larger > report, along with any other documents, and finally generate the index > -- when you generate these two reports from PAFWiz to an RTF or > WordPerfect file, it puts the index entries into the document, so this > should be an easy task. > > Gaylon > > > singhals wrote: > >> Gaylon Findlay wrote: >> >> >> >>> Mareen: >>> >>> If you want an RTF file, like you'd get in PAF, you use the method >>> Bill outlines. >>> >>> The "Publish a Family Book" allows you to combine several reports all >>> into one large report with a master table of contents and master >>> index. This option does not have the capability of generating to an >>> RTF file -- you can either print it directly to your printer or to a >>> PDF file. >>> >>> Gaylon >>> >>> >>> Bill Buchanan wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Gaylon, >> >> couldn't you install a generic text printer and select that as the >> default? And then once you've got the text file, you can do whatever >> you want with it by way of fonts, insertions, etc etc. You'd probably >> have to remark all the index entries, and that might not be worth >> minor tweaks in the layout/presentation. >> >> Also, seems to me I've heard about a freeware/shareware program that >> lets you edit pdf files -- will PAFWhiz let you install that one? >> >> Cheryl >> >> > > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Marg, If you have been following this forum you are more aware of the real situation than most people. PAF is not dead. Mind you, there are some very good options that users can switch to, if they want. Ancestral Quest and Legacy can import PAF files directly without needing convert everything to gedcom format. But PAF isn't going to disappear any time soon. Ohana Software's Family Insight software plans to provide PAF with the ability to download from New FamilySearch, adding capabilities to PAF. PAF and New FamilySearch are not mutually exclusive. Each has a role to play. The more I use nFS, the more I see a role for PAF in maintaining a single-user database where I have can add anything I want, without worrying about how it will affect someone else. nFS is a huge multi-user database, where every change you make affects the research of others. I made a mistake on a gedcom file I uploaded to nFS the other day, and it took me 8 hours of repetitive work to correct it. I could have corrected it in PAF in 10 minutes. I have heard it described as a "paradigm shift" or "a change in orientation". It is no longer "my genealogy", "my ancestors", and "my research". Instead it is "our genealogy", "our ancestors" and "our research". We give up some autonomy, some control, but gain the advantage of being able to pool our efforts to create a genealogy of the human family. This will inevitably lead to disagreements, but nFS is designed to accommodate these. It is still in an early stage of development but looks very promising. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re PAF2wiz > Good morning. > > I ahve been using PAF for ever and really like it. the list I belong to was > sent the following > > "Whoah there! Be careful about PAF. Judging by what I've been reading in > various blogs, the LDS will let PAF die a natural death once they roll > out the new version of FamilySearch. " > > So I am wondering what is to happen to my very relaible PAF. And waht does > that mean? > > Would be grateful for advice. > > > Marg > > Port Stephens NSW

Cheryl: I haven't tried this, but I think you could. The problem with this approach is that you'd lose all the nice formatting, and the text would contain the information, but not be very pretty. If you're primarily working with the two narrative reports -- the Ahnentafel and Modified Register, there are better ways to do this (described below.) For other reports you might include such as fan charts, descendant charts, pedigree charts, family group sheets, etc., this text format would not be presentable in a published book. If you're primarily using the Ahnentafel and Modified Book reports in your family book, don't even use the 'Publish a Family Book' feature. Just create these reports to RTF or WordPerfect format, then use Word or WordPerfect to combine the various smaller reports into a single larger report, along with any other documents, and finally generate the index -- when you generate these two reports from PAFWiz to an RTF or WordPerfect file, it puts the index entries into the document, so this should be an easy task. Gaylon singhals wrote: > Gaylon Findlay wrote: > > >> Mareen: >> >> If you want an RTF file, like you'd get in PAF, you use the method Bill >> outlines. >> >> The "Publish a Family Book" allows you to combine several reports all >> into one large report with a master table of contents and master index. >> This option does not have the capability of generating to an RTF file -- >> you can either print it directly to your printer or to a PDF file. >> >> Gaylon >> >> >> Bill Buchanan wrote: >> >> > > > Gaylon, > > couldn't you install a generic text printer and select that > as the default? And then once you've got the text file, you > can do whatever you want with it by way of fonts, > insertions, etc etc. You'd probably have to remark all the > index entries, and that might not be worth minor tweaks in > the layout/presentation. > > Also, seems to me I've heard about a freeware/shareware > program that lets you edit pdf files -- will PAFWhiz let > you install that one? > > Cheryl > >

Maureen: If you print to paper, and use the capability in the "Publish a Family Book" option to include placeholders, then PAFWiz will skip the number of pages you ask in its numbering, so that you can insert these documents that you created outside of PAFWiz. The master index created by the feature will be accurate for the pages generated from your PAF data. If you use the tool mentioned by Bill to split a PDF file, you could essentially do the same thing -- print the Family Book to a PDF file, then use a PDF utility to insert other PDF documents in between the portions created by PAFWiz. Unless you can find a utility that allows you to actually convert a PDF file to something like a Word document, you probably won't be able to edit the information on a give page. I don't know the limitations or options available for PDF files to be any more clear on this point. The reason we put the Placeholder capability into the "Publish a Family Book" feature, was so that you could easily supplement the pages created from your PAF data with other pages or chapters in your book. Gaylon maureenoc wrote: > Thank you Gaylon and Bill replies to my query: > > #If you want an RTF file, like you'd get in PAF, you use the method Bill > outlines. > > The "Publish a Family Book" allows you to combine several reports all > into one large report with a master table of contents and master index. > This option does not have the capability of generating to an RTF file -- > you can either print it directly to your printer or to a PDF file.# > > It's a pity that when choosing the Publish A Book Mode it goes directly to the printer and does not enable me to modify the contents of the book reports as I rather like the layout. However I realise now I can't do that. Gaylon if I choose to click on PDF file would that be of any benefit as to what I want to achieve? Thanking you. Maureen > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you Gaylon and Bill replies to my query: #If you want an RTF file, like you'd get in PAF, you use the method Bill outlines. The "Publish a Family Book" allows you to combine several reports all into one large report with a master table of contents and master index. This option does not have the capability of generating to an RTF file -- you can either print it directly to your printer or to a PDF file.# It's a pity that when choosing the Publish A Book Mode it goes directly to the printer and does not enable me to modify the contents of the book reports as I rather like the layout. However I realise now I can't do that. Gaylon if I choose to click on PDF file would that be of any benefit as to what I want to achieve? Thanking you. Maureen

Gaylon Findlay wrote: > Mareen: > > If you want an RTF file, like you'd get in PAF, you use the method Bill > outlines. > > The "Publish a Family Book" allows you to combine several reports all > into one large report with a master table of contents and master index. > This option does not have the capability of generating to an RTF file -- > you can either print it directly to your printer or to a PDF file. > > Gaylon > > > Bill Buchanan wrote: > Gaylon, couldn't you install a generic text printer and select that as the default? And then once you've got the text file, you can do whatever you want with it by way of fonts, insertions, etc etc. You'd probably have to remark all the index entries, and that might not be worth minor tweaks in the layout/presentation. Also, seems to me I've heard about a freeware/shareware program that lets you edit pdf files -- will PAFWhiz let you install that one? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Cheryl, I am aware of the free Java-based program "PDF Split and Merge", which allows you to add or delete pages in a PDF document. But it doesn't allow you to edit the contents of the pages. I would like to know if there is a free PDF to Text or RTF utility. I just sent two PDF files to the free file conversion service at Zamzar.com to see if they will do it. I have asked to have them converted to Word .DOC format. I will let you know whether it worked. It may depend upon the complexity of the documents. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re PAF2wiz > Gaylon Findlay wrote: > > > Mareen: > > > > If you want an RTF file, like you'd get in PAF, you use the method Bill > > outlines. > > > > The "Publish a Family Book" allows you to combine several reports all > > into one large report with a master table of contents and master index. > > This option does not have the capability of generating to an RTF file -- > > you can either print it directly to your printer or to a PDF file. > > > > Gaylon > > > > > > Bill Buchanan wrote: > > > > > Gaylon, > > couldn't you install a generic text printer and select that > as the default? And then once you've got the text file, you > can do whatever you want with it by way of fonts, > insertions, etc etc. You'd probably have to remark all the > index entries, and that might not be worth minor tweaks in > the layout/presentation. > > Also, seems to me I've heard about a freeware/shareware > program that lets you edit pdf files -- will PAFWhiz let > you install that one? > > Cheryl > > -- > There should be no attachments on this message, unless I > specifically mentioned them above. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.6/1360 - Release Date: 4/4/2008 6:02 PM > >

I posted the following to the list last week but it did not appear, so here goes again: Gaylon or anyone else who has PAF2WIZ would you mind please advising me of the following. I am using PAF2wiz and would like to know when I go to click on"Publish A Family Book" style if there is any way I can convert my details to an rtf file which I can then put in My Documents and edit - perhaps change wording before printing the Book. I know I can do this when I am in my PAF5 mode by ticking Print to File. Your advice would be helpful. Many thanks. Maureen

Mareen: If you want an RTF file, like you'd get in PAF, you use the method Bill outlines. The "Publish a Family Book" allows you to combine several reports all into one large report with a master table of contents and master index. This option does not have the capability of generating to an RTF file -- you can either print it directly to your printer or to a PDF file. Gaylon Bill Buchanan wrote: > Maureen, > > In my copy of PAFwiz2, I can select the File menu > Reports and Charts then > select Books > Modified Register > and choose RTF as the destination. And > click Print to create an RTF file of book. I am not sure whether this is > what you are looking for. > > Bill Buchanan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "maureenoc" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:40 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] Re PAF2wiz > > > >> I posted the following to the list last week but it did not appear, so >> > here goes again: > >> Gaylon or anyone else who has PAF2WIZ would you mind please advising me of >> > the following. I am using PAF2wiz > >> and would like to know when I go to click on"Publish A Family Book" style >> > if there is > >> any way I can convert my details to an rtf file which I can then put in My >> > Documents > >> and edit - perhaps change wording before printing the Book. I know I can >> > do this when > >> I am in my PAF5 mode by ticking Print to File. Your advice would be >> > helpful. Many > >> thanks. Maureen >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Maureen, In my copy of PAFwiz2, I can select the File menu > Reports and Charts then select Books > Modified Register > and choose RTF as the destination. And click Print to create an RTF file of book. I am not sure whether this is what you are looking for. Bill Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "maureenoc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Re PAF2wiz > I posted the following to the list last week but it did not appear, so here goes again: > > Gaylon or anyone else who has PAF2WIZ would you mind please advising me of the following. I am using PAF2wiz > and would like to know when I go to click on"Publish A Family Book" style if there is > any way I can convert my details to an rtf file which I can then put in My Documents > and edit - perhaps change wording before printing the Book. I know I can do this when > I am in my PAF5 mode by ticking Print to File. Your advice would be helpful. Many > thanks. Maureen

It was over Easter but seems to be picking up again. Betty in Oregon

May be spring fever. > > Is this list unusually quiet lately? > > For some reason, all my lists (genealogy or not) are quiet > lately. Dunno if it's March Madness, Easter, mid-terms, or > just coincidence ... > > Cheryl

[email protected] wrote: > Is this list unusually quiet lately? For some reason, all my lists (genealogy or not) are quiet lately. Dunno if it's March Madness, Easter, mid-terms, or just coincidence ... Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

No. Compared to last month, probably. There are 8 messages in the archive for April, an average of 2 a day or more. If you look at the history, 60 or so a month is typical, though peaks at 250 per month are not unusual. I don't see any reason to generate mail just to fill a mail list. Many of us monitor lists for information, not for chatting. Blogs are great if you like to chat. Bill Date sent: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:46:26 -0400 (EDT) From: [email protected] Subject: [PAF-5] quiet list? Is this list unusually quiet lately?

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I want to create a new file with my cousin as the home person. Her maternal side will be the same as mine and I want to work on her paternal line. I set her in the home person spot and then saved the file with a new name, that of her father's family. Any new sources I use for that search will be included in the list of sources from my original file. Correct? Is there a way to have a new source list for the new file? **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Your message is mixing three different things here. The first part is nFS and PAF. The key word is *directly*. The new FamilySearch (nFS) web site is a collaborative based database combining the previous LDS databases of Ancestral File, IGI, Pedigree Resource File and others. PAF is NOT going to be able to work *directly* with that site as PAF is not going to be updated to add that capability. Your options will be: 1. Use a third-party add on program such as Family Insight (the upcoming replacement for PAF Insight) 2. Use a different commercial genealogy program that IS going to be updated to interface with nFS. 3. Manually transcribe information from nFS into PAF or another program. 4. Upload your information to nFS and work solely online. Please note that nFS is currently in a roll-out period, first by LDS temple districts for Church members only, then as their server capacity is increased, to the general public. No time frame for that has been annnounced. So when any of the options above become available to you is uncertain and depends on your status as an LDS member ir not, and when the roll-out is completed. Whether you want to continue with PAF is a personal choice. It runs fine in Vista and will continue to do the same things it does now, it will just not add any new functionality. If you have a need for more bells and whistles in your software, or will need to *directly* interface with the information in NFS then you will eventually need to make some decisions on your future use of PAF as noted above. The second issue you mention is selecting a person in a genealogy program and doing an Internet search. Each program is different in how extensive that capability is (what sites are accessed, etc), and each person is different in how much they use that feature. Again, PAF is not going to be updated, so the other Internet search functions it currently has will not change. The third issue it the search engine results on the sites themselves. While it is a nice wish that they would be 100% accurate, it is not really a PAF issue and there is nothing you can do other than point out the errors to the site owners. Gary Templeman -------------- Original message -------------- From: Elborn Mendenhall <[email protected]> > A few days ago I posted the following comment on the mailing > list, and while I have not received a direct reply, do I > assume that my statement about search engines is > correct, or do other reasons exist for not using PAF? > > As a user of PAF, (I also have other genealogical programs I use) but > I like PAF but I don't understand the reference to not working directly > with NFS? I assume this is a feature that other programs have which > allow you to check on an individual and do an search on the Internet. > I know that some of the other programs do that, and sometime I find > it useful, sometimes I don't. I do wish that the search engines on > sites such Footnote, Ascestry, WorldVitalRecords were better. > When you know some things are true and you want other things, > it is less than desirable to have 1930 Census records come up > for a person you know was born in 174? and died by 184?. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I want to create a new file with my cousin as the home person. Her maternal side will be the same as mine and I want to work on her paternal line. I set her in the home person spot and then saved the file with a new name, that of her father's family. Any new sources I use for that search will be included in the list of sources from my original file. Correct? Is there a way to have a new source list for the new file? **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Elborn: Your main question is: "I don't understand the reference to not working directly with NFS?" Let me try to explain. (I'm not sure which reference you are referring to, but this is a general explanation.) In order for a program to "work directly" with NFS, coding changes need to be implemented. The LDS Church has started work on what they call an API, which allows a program to "work directly with NFS". What this means is that a program, by using the API provided by the Church, will be able to show you data from NFS, will let you update your local data with data from NFS, and will let you edit data on NFS -- including sending your local copy of data to NFS. In the past, you have seen programs that let you do one side of this. Programs such as Ancestral Quest will let you see IGI data side by side with your PAF data, and copy data from IGI into your PAF file. PAF 5 itself has not been able to do this -- it has required the use of a commercial program to handle this task. The new API will allow you to bring data from the new FamilySearch as well as to send data the opposite direction -- from your database into the FamilySearch system. In its current state, PAF 5 does not have this API built into it, so it is unable to directly work with the NFS. You will need a commercial program like Ancestral Quest, which is currently being upgraded to use this API, to do it for you. Gaylon ps. You can always upload your data from PAF to NFS via a GEDCOM file, and you can copy and paste information from the NFS screens into PAF, but I don't think that is what most people mean when they use the words, "work directly with NFS". Elborn Mendenhall wrote: > A few days ago I posted the following comment on the mailing > list, and while I have not received a direct reply, do I > assume that my statement about search engines is > correct, or do other reasons exist for not using PAF? > > As a user of PAF, (I also have other genealogical programs I use) but > I like PAF but I don't understand the reference to not working directly > with NFS? I assume this is a feature that other programs have which > allow you to check on an individual and do an search on the Internet. > I know that some of the other programs do that, and sometime I find > it useful, sometimes I don't. I do wish that the search engines on > sites such Footnote, Ascestry, WorldVitalRecords were better. > When you know some things are true and you want other things, > it is less than desirable to have 1930 Census records come up > for a person you know was born in 174? and died by 184?. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

A few days ago I posted the following comment on the mailing list, and while I have not received a direct reply, do I assume that my statement about search engines is correct, or do other reasons exist for not using PAF? As a user of PAF, (I also have other genealogical programs I use) but I like PAF but I don't understand the reference to not working directly with NFS? I assume this is a feature that other programs have which allow you to check on an individual and do an search on the Internet. I know that some of the other programs do that, and sometime I find it useful, sometimes I don't. I do wish that the search engines on sites such Footnote, Ascestry, WorldVitalRecords were better. When you know some things are true and you want other things, it is less than desirable to have 1930 Census records come up for a person you know was born in 174? and died by 184?.