In a message dated 11/15/03 5:04:21 PM, ladythel@qwest.net writes: << Why don't this website come up for me? >> Dear Lady Thel: I have no idea. I copied the URL from the message and pasted it into my browser and it comes up just fine. (<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/">http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/</A>) It is a framed site. Do you have frames turned off in your browser's preferences? You can try this alternate URL from the home page of the Palmer site. <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/main-com1.htm"> http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/main-com1.htm</A> The display will be the same if your browser is capable of handling frames. Most browsers do today. Good luck, Chuck Bliley Rochester, NY www.Bliley.net