Hi Is anyone researching Mrs. Fox or Mrs. Loftus whose father was Floyd Turner of Erie Co., PA?--Betty

Dear List Members, I first posted my message here last May and haven't as yet reached my goal, so I'm trying again, as I do have additional information (see below). I am looking for descendants (if they exist) of my first cousin, HOWARD I. FISHER, who died on Christmas Day, 1944, when the ship on which he was sailing from England to France was torpedoed by a Nazi submarine the previous night (Christmas Eve). Howard was a U.S. Army private at the time and had been living prior to his army duty in Erie, PA. Details of the ship's sinking were apparently kept secret for many years, until a book was written about the event. Go to: www.historychannel.com/exhibits/leopoldville/states/pa.html to learn more about the tragedy (assuming it is still posted). Here is what I know about Howard to date: 1911, Dec. 04 - Howard born to Isaac H. Fisher and Sylvia Elisabeth (Wambach) Fisher in Irondequoit, Monroe County, NY 1914 - Isaac (Howard's father) dies from unknown causes. Burial in Irondequoit cemetery. 1923, Sept. 23 - Sylvia also dies, leaving Howard an orphan. She is buried with Isaac in Irondequoit cemetery. 1930 Erie County, Erie City, PA Census - Howard is living with the Homer STULL BROWN family at 925 East 25th Street. Also in the household were Homer's wife, Mary (Mae H.) and his adopted son, Richard, listed as 19 years of age. 1943 Erie City Directory - Howard I. Fisher and wife (Elsie) living at 507 East 5th Street and Howard is listed as being in the U. S. Army. 1944, Dec. 25 - Howard and numerous other soldiers drown in the sinking of the S. S. Leopoldville. His body was never recovered. 1956, March 29 - Homer Stull Brown dies at the Erie Veteran's Administration Hospital. He is listed as the father of Richard Brown of Rochester, NY, undoubtedly his adopted son. Sept. 1981 - (Rochester Democrat & Chronicle Newspaper Obit) Springwater, NY. Richard H. Brown, age 70, of Bald Hill Rd., formerly of E. Avon. Husband of the late Rebecca Gardner Brown. Survived by daughters, Nancy Brown of Fairview, PA, and Mrs. Donald (Pamela) Morey of Union City, PA; sons, Richard, Jr. and Robert, both of Harbor Creek, PA, and Ralph T. Barber of Erie; 15 grand children. I've looked up and called a number of people in the Erie area having the names listed above, but no luck, nor have I heard from the National Archives after sending them their form containing Howard's service number and requesting information. My goal is to locate any possible descendants of Howard Fisher and/or Richard Brown. Any assistance in this endeavor will be much appreciated! Thank you for reading this, Robert F. Wambach Ontario, Wayne County, NY

DEAR LISTERS, Would love to hear from any descendants of this family!!! Thanks, Donna Merrill FAMILY OF THOMAS PETER BARTON and RHODA N. CALKINS by Donna Merrill dmerrill3@mindspring.com Thomas Peter BARTON, my oldest known ancestor was born 3 July 1805 in Dutchess Co., NY, died 7 Dec 1870 in Erie Co., PA. I have been unable to find out who Thomas's parents were but in 2002 my brother participated in the Barton Family Organization, Phase 2, DNA Project which linked us to the Roger Barton family of Westchester, NY. In the book "The Calkins Family Manuscript" by Mrs. Turney Sharps, it stated that Thomas was born in Dutchess Co., NY in 1805 and was also married there in 1826. Family bible records which came to light a few years ago from Vance MORTON, Steve CUMMINS and more recently, Rhea HANDLEY, state that Thomas was married 28 Apr 1825 in Oswego Co., NY to Rhoda N. CALKINS, b. 12 Sep 1809 in Coburg, Ontario, Canada, d. 29 Jul 1880 in Erie Co., PA. daughter of Salmon CALKINS and Eunice RICHARDSON. Both Thomas Peter and Rhoda N. Calkins BARTON were buried at Phillipsville Cemetery in Erie Co., PA. The dates on the headstone support their birth and death date! s. I also have obituaries for Thomas and Rhoda from the Erie Morning Dispatch, Erie Co., PA. Thomas and Rhoda are found listed on the 1830 Census of Jefferson Co., NY. Further research at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah has not revealed any paper trail for them in Jefferson or Oswego Co., NY. Rhoda had most of her family living in the Jefferson/Oswego County, NY area at that time. Thomas and Rhoda are next found listed on the 1840 and 1850 Census of Trenton Village, Oneida Co., NY where the remainder of their children were born. One child , Lewis King BARTON died there 3 Oct 1841. There are some deed records on Thomas in Oneida County. Thomas and Rhoda then migrated to Greene Twp., Erie Co., PA before 1860 and settled there. Many of Rhoda's siblings lived there then moved on to Michigan or Wisconsin. Listed below are the children of Thomas & Rhoda Calkins Barton. A) Lewis b. 19 Feb 1826 in Oswego Co., NY d. 26 Feb 1826. B) William Morris b. 2 May 1827 in Brownville, Jefferson Co., NY, d. 9 Sep 1900 in Erie Co., PA. md. 2 May 1848 in NY to Arvilla PUTNEY b. 22 Oct 1826 in Crown Point, NY, d. 29 Oct 1900 in Erie Co., PA, daughter of Daniel PUTNEY and Mary HEATH. Both are buried in Lakeside Cemetery, Erie Co., PA. This family stayed in Erie Co., PA. Children of William and Arvilla were: 1) Ida Josephine, b. 13 Feb 1853 in Erie, PA, d. 8 Jun 1853 in Erie, PA. 2) Ada Isadore, b. 4 Apr 1854 in Erie, PA, d. 27 Apr 1854 in Erie, PA. 3) Hattie G., b. 12 Apr 1855 in Erie, PA, d. 16 Apr 1855 in Erie, PA. 4) William T., b. 9 Jun 1850 in Erie, PA, d. 22 May 1910 in Erie, PA, md. 14 Sep 1875 in Erie, PA to Marion (Minnie) A. THAYER. 5) Emma Juliette, b. 19 Mar 1856 in Erie, PA , d. 10 Jul 1937, md. Joseph Cook BRYNER. 6) Ella May, b. 30 Mar 1859 in Erie, PA. 7) Benjamin Chandler, b. 27 Nov 1860 in Erie, PA, d. 4 Aug 1929 in Erie PA, md. 1) Rebecca Rhea HILES, md. 2) Pearl GREEN. 8) Charles Henry, b. 8 Nov 1862 in Erie, PA, d. 13 Apr 1882 in Erie, PA. (Many thanks to Rhea HANDLEY and Scott BRYNER for this information). C) George W. b. 27 Mar 1829 in Ellisburg, Jefferson Co., NY, d. 10 Jun 1922 in Wayne Co., MI. md. 21 Mar 1850 in Erie Co., PA to 1) Margaret, ORR b. 2 Feb 1832 in Erie Co., PA , d. 28 May 1860 in Erie Co., PA. 2) md. 28 Nov 1860 in Erie Co., PA to Sophia ORR b. 18 Nov 1842 in Erie Co., PA, d. 16 Mar 1910 in Erie Co., PA. Both Margaret and Sophia were daughters of Joseph ORR and Nancy MCKINLEY. George, Margaret and Sophia are buried at Lakeside Cemetery, Erie Co., PA. George W. BARTON stayed in Erie Co., PA. *Children of George W. BARTON and Margaret ORR: 1) Sarah Louisa, b. 23 Jun 1852 in Erie, PA, md. 13 May 1875 in Erie, PA to Lewis F. THOMPSON. 2) Frank Henry, b. 21 Feb 1854 in Erie, PA, d. 56 Nov 1918 in Erie, PA md. 7 Sep 1881 in Erie, PA to Mary Emma JACKSON. 3) John Samuel/Joseph O., b. 3 Nov 1856 in Erie, PA, md. Rosa A. ?. *Children by George W. BARTON and Sophia ORR: 1) Grove Dammond b. 11 Sep 1861 in Erie, PA d. 16 May 1912 in Erie, PA. 2) Stella Sophia, b. 14 Jul 1869 in Erie, PA, md. 25 Dec 1904 in Erie, PA to Charles H. NUHN. 3) Nellie K., b. 27 Nov 1872 md. Victor H. BENNETT. 4) Lloyd G., b. 3 Aug 1877 in Erie, PA, md. 22 Dec 1906 in Erie, PA to Minnie S. LAIRD. 5) Gerald Payson, b. 27 Jun 1879 in Erie, PA, d. 31 Aug 1934. 6) Margaret F. (Maggie), b. 9 Jan 1881 in Erie, PA, md. 28 Jan 1902 in Erie, PA to Eli D. SMITH. 7) Hazel M., b. 12 Sep 1885 in Erie, PA, md. 29 Oct 1904 in Niagra Falls, Niagra Co., NY to George Reid YAPLE. D) Jane Marie b. 12 Nov 1831 in Brownville, Jefferson Co., NY, d. 8 Dec 1911 in Erie Co., PA. md. 10 May 1852 in Oneida Co., NY to Andrew FRAZIER b. 26 Mar 1827 in Oneida Co., NY, d. 13 May 1911 in Erie Co., PA, son of Alexander FRAZIER and Lovica FISH. Andrew and Julia are both buried in Lakeside Cemetery, Erie Co., PA . They stayed in Erie Co., PA. Their children were: 1) Charles, b. 2 Feb 1853 in Erie, PA. 2) Marion C., b. 28 Jan 1855 in NY/PA, md. D. C. (Dell) TUBBS. 3) Annabelle, b. 9 Sep 1858 in Erie, PA, md. 8 Jun 1875 James Francis CUMMINS. 4) William H., b. 24 Jul 1860 in Erie, PA, d. 11 Jul 1945, md. Louisa H. RAEDER. 5) Thomas B., b. 15 Apr 1862 in Erie, PA. 6) Dora J., James, b. 20 Aug 1865, md. John MANGEL. 7) James, b. 30 Aug 1868 in Erie, PA. 8) Jessie b. 12 Aug 1872 in Erie, PA. 9) Sophia Estelle, b.13 Nov 1874 in Erie, PA, md. 1904 to Peter Edward SHUSTER. (Many thanks to Steve CUMMINS, and Lisa MATTSON for this information) E) Lewis King b. 2 Apr 1834 in Brownville, Jefferson Co., NY d. 3 Oct 1841 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY. F) John Elias b. 18 Feb 1836 in Brownville, Jefferson Co., NY, md. 1) in Erie, PA, Nancy A. SMITH, b. ca. 1838, d. 5 Sep 1884 in Erie, PA, daughter of James SMITH and Lucretia WILLIAMS. Children of John Elias BARTON and Nancy A. SMITH: 1) John Jr., b. 25 Sep 1858 in Erie, PA, d. 2 Aug 1922 in Erie, PA, md. Nellie ?. 2) F. E., b. abt 1860 in Erie, PA. 3) James b. abt 1862 in Erie, PA. 4) Sophia J., b. abt 1866 in Erie, PA, md. 1 Oct 1883 in Erie, PA to Eli L. SUTTLE. G) Sarah Mahalie, b. 3 Oct 1838 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY, md. in Erie, PA, Charles NEWSHAM, b. abt 1835 in PA, son of Charles and Mary NEWSHAM of England. Charles and Sarah were said to have migrated to California. Sarah was found in the 1920 Census of Douglas Co., MN, age 81, in the home of Byron E. and (daughter) May M. HOWE. She was listed as mother-in-law. Children of Charles NEWSHAM and Sarah M. BARTON were: 1) Mary "May", b. abt 1860 in WI, md. Byron E. HOWE. 2) Nellie, b. abt. 1862 in WI. 3) George, b. abt. 1865 in PA. 4) Jennie, b. abt. 1867 in PA. H) Ellen/Helen Sophia b. 29 Mar 1840 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY. No further record. I) Thomas Peter Jr., b. 9 Sep 1843 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY, d. 11 Jun 1892 in Erie Co., PA. md. 31 Mar 1869 in Erie Co., PA to Caroline (Carrie) E. BRACE b. 23 May 1849 in Erie Co., PA, d. 5 Jul 1924 in Erie Co., PA, daughter of Nathaniel BRACE and Elizabeth LAWRENCE. Thomas and Carrie are buried in Erie Cemetery, Erie Co., PA. Thomas and Carrrie stayed in Erie Co., PA. Children of Thomas P. BARTON and Carrie BRACE were: 1) Winnie L., b. abt 1872 in Erie, PA, d. 1891 in Erie, PA. 2) Bessie E., b. 8 Oct 1879 in Erie, PA, d. Jun 1965 in Erie, PA, md. Samuel H. WINGER. J) Julia Estrella, b. 13 Jun 1845 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY, d. 14 Aug 1928. md. Jacob RIPLEY, b. 10 Jul 1838 in Erie Co., PA, d. 1 Jan 1862 in Erie Co., PA, son of David RIPLEY and Anna Nancy FREY. Jacob is buried in the Erie Cemetery, Erie Co., PA. Children of Jacob RIPLEY and Julia E. BARTON were: 1) Charles H., b. 22 Jun 1863 in Erie, PA. 2) Lillie Rosalie, b. 23 Nov 1867 in Erie, PA, d. 26 Nov 1947. 3) Silvia Calesta, b. 12 Sep 1874 in Erie, PA, md. Jan 1893 to Charles F. BEMIS. 4) Earl Jay, b. 13 Mar 1882 in Erie, PA, d. 19 Jan 1967 in Erie, PA, md. Lea M. KLINKHAMMER. (Many thanks to Calvin HENRY for this information). **K) (my line) Franklin Henry P., b. 30 Sep 1847 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY, d. 24 Jul 1940 in Los Angeles Co., CA, buried Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery, Los Angeles, CA., md. 10 Oct 1868 in Sauk Co., WI to Louvisa CLINGENSMITH b. 1846 in Morgan Co., OH, d. 9 Nov 1920 in Newton Co., Missouri, buried in Howard Cemetery, McDonald Co., Missouri, daughter of Philip CLINGENSMITH and Pleasy WOODS. After their marriage, Henry and Louvisa migrated to Erie Co., PA, Fayette Co., Ohio, Guthrie Co., Iowa, McDonald Co., Missouri where Louvisa died, then Henry migrated to Los Angeles Co., California where he re-married 18 Jun 1922 in Los Angeles, CA to Mrs. Tennia (DELVIN) BESSETT, they had no children. Children of Franklin Henry BARTON and Louvisa CLINGENSMITH were: 1) Inez Belle, b. 6 Oct 1869 in Erie, PA, d. 17 May 1954 in Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., TX, md. Arthur Otis CUNNINGHAM, 2) Myrtle P., b. 18 Oct 1874 in Guthrie Co., IA, d. 24 Aug 1929 in Polk Co., IA, md. 27 Dec 1897 in Jackson Co., MO to Walter BRATTON. 3) Cora Della, b. 12 Aug 1875 in Fayette Co., OH, md. 8 Mar 1903 in Jackson Co., MO to Albert Patrick OLSEN. **4) (my line) Harry Wintersmith b. 1 Apr 1878 in Fayette Co., md. 1) Mary Ellen BLATT, daughter of Joseph BLATT and Margarett CLEMENCEN. Harry married 2) Alma June COOK b. 14 Jun 1901 in Carroll Co., AR, d. 18 Feb 1937 in McDonald Co., MO and is buried in Howard Cemetery in the same county. She was the daughter of Lafayette COOK and Rutha Jane BAILEY. Children of Harry W. BARTON and Mary Ellen BLATT were: Carl Marshall Sylvia Children of Harry W. BARTON and Alma June COOK were: ** (my line) Curtis Eldon Pauline Louise Mayta Margaret Dorothy Lucille Robert Howard. L) Charles H. b. 7 Dec 1849 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY. Married and moved to Michigan. No further information. M) James b. 5 Jan 1853 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY, md. 1) Irene DUMAN. No known children. James married 2) Minnie Anna SIEBELINK b. Apr 1866 in NY, daughter of Barend Willem SIEBELINK and Gisina TEWINKLE. James was listed in the 1900 Census of Erie Co., PA, the 1910 Census of Chautauqua Co., NY and in the 1920 Census of Mobile, Alabama. He died in Grand Bay, Mobile Co., AL, 29 Feb 1920. Children of James E. and Minnie A. BARTON were: 1) Harrison J., b. Feb 1889 in NY, died 31 Mar 1847 in Erie Co., PA, md. Frances L. ?,. 2) Emma C. b. Sep 1890 in PA. 3) Vera A. b. Jul 1893 in PA. 4) Morris E. b. May 1900, died before 1910. 5) A. Cecil b. 1903 in PA. N) Fredrick J., b. 16 Jul 1854 in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY, md. 16 Jul 1874 in Isabella Co., MI to Mary Emma FOURNEY b. Jan 1857, daughter of Moses FOURNEY and Elizabeth WISER. Fredrick and Mary migrated to Washington State. Children of Fredrick BARTON and Mary FOURNEY were: 1) George, b. 28 Jun 1877 in Erie Co., PA. 2) Nellie Augusta, b. 2 Jan 1879, md. 9 Dec 1897 in Riverton, MI to Alexander Robert MORTON. 3) Lottie, b. 5 Oct 1884 in Hillsdale, MI, md. 17 Nov 1903 in Mason Co., MI to Edward WENZEL. 4) Fredrick Jr., b. 16 Feb 1888 in Ingham Co., MI, md. 7 Jan 1917 in Pierce Co., WA (Many thanks to Vance Morton for this information).

My only suggestion is Chas. H. Watson age 29 1930 Erie, wife Lucy, sons Richard and Thomas, and a daughter. The music teacher was still in Mill Village in 1920, but still single. Gayle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <genielists@yahoo.com> To: <PAERIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [PAERIE] Harve Watson > I found one Harvey Watson, single, b ca 1878, who > was a music teacher in Erie Co. in 1910. > > WATSON HARVEY 32 M W PA PA ERIE MILL > VILLAGE BORO 1910 > > He was b PA, his fa b Swe, mo b PA, and he lived > on West Center St., no house address given. > > No sign of a Yocucobusckie, but what a name! > > > --- Barbara <ropetracer@prodigy.net> wrote: > > > > Am searching for any family of Harvey/Harve > > Watson. Known to have done > > quilting and kniting. Am guessing he might have > > been born late 1890's. > > Have photos. > > > > Am searching for any family of Mrs. > > Yocucobusckie (name may be mispelled) > > who lived at 10th and Ash Streets in Erie, > > probably 1902-1919 timeframe. > > Have photos. > > > > Am still searching for any family of Marie > > Sweigard Fichtner. Have photo. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > ==== PAERIE Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the PA-Erie Mailing List > To leave PAERIE-L, send mail to PAERIE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave PAERIE-D, do the same thing with PAERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com. > Periodically, messages are received that various viruses are floating around the newslists. While no viruses have yet been transmitted via this board, all readers are strongly encouraged to keep their virus checkers up to date in order to ensure that your computer will not be impacted should this occur. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello, I am looking for information on two local fire departments. I would like to know when the Kearsarge Fire Dept. first was established and it's address. I would also like to know when the Lake Shore F.D. was established and address. This is a homework assignment for my daughter. She cannot call the fire department. A call to the Erie Co. library did not help, and I got a recording at the Historical Society. If anyone knows of where we could find this information, we would be most grateful. Thanks in advance. Gayle The4winz@aol.com

I found one Harvey Watson, single, b ca 1878, who was a music teacher in Erie Co. in 1910. WATSON HARVEY 32 M W PA PA ERIE MILL VILLAGE BORO 1910 He was b PA, his fa b Swe, mo b PA, and he lived on West Center St., no house address given. No sign of a Yocucobusckie, but what a name! --- Barbara <ropetracer@prodigy.net> wrote: > > Am searching for any family of Harvey/Harve > Watson. Known to have done > quilting and kniting. Am guessing he might have > been born late 1890's. > Have photos. > > Am searching for any family of Mrs. > Yocucobusckie (name may be mispelled) > who lived at 10th and Ash Streets in Erie, > probably 1902-1919 timeframe. > Have photos. > > Am still searching for any family of Marie > Sweigard Fichtner. Have photo. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Hi fellow listers, Am searching for any family of Harvey/Harve Watson. Known to have done quilting and kniting. Am guessing he might have been born late 1890's. Have photos. Am searching for any family of Mrs. Yocucobusckie (name may be mispelled) who lived at 10th and Ash Streets in Erie, probably 1902-1919 timeframe. Have photos. Am still searching for any family of Marie Sweigard Fichtner. Have photo. Thanks for your help! Barb

Hi Does anyone have access to the above census where they could look up Levi Turner who served in the Civil War? He lived in Springfield, PA but served in Ohio.--Betty

Hi Is there a marriage record for Louise Turner to Edwin P. Hayes married by Rev. G.H. Chapell on 2/3/1874?--Betty

Hi Is any one doing research on Edwin P. Hayes and his wife Louise Turner. She is from New Lyme, OH and were married 2/3/1874 by Rev. G. H. Chappell. Any help on this couple would be greatly appreciated.--Betty

Hi Could anyone see if they can find Louise Turner Hayes and her husband Edwin P. Hayes on the 1880 census in Erie Co., PA or on any of the later census? Thank you for looking.--Betty

Hi all - I am searching for others who might be researching the family of Arthur DENNIS (b. 1768 MA - d. 1744 PA, son of Arthur & Mary Goodhue DENNIS) & Lucy BURNHAM (b. 1774 NH - d. 1854 OH, dau. of Nathaniel & Mary BURNHAM) who are both buried in the Dunn Valley Cem., McKean Twp, Erie Co, PA. This family moved from Wayne Co, NY to Erie Co, PA circa 1832 or just before. Their son John DENNIS (chr. 1793 Ipswich, MA) m. Malinda _______ (b. abt 1801 MA) and had children: 1. Hiram DENNIS (b. 1820 Wayne Co, NY - d. 1899 Adams Co, IA) who m. 1843 PA to Mary Ann McKINLEY (b. abt 1825 PA - d. 1874, possibly the dau of Thomas & Jane McKINLEY of Erie Co, PA? She did have a bro. named John McKINLEY b. abt 1823 who m. Arvilla and they had Thomas C. & Hiram D. McKINLEY living in IL in 1860 Census) (this family was in Perrysburg, Wood Co, OH in 1850 Census; Prophetstown, Whiteside Co, IL in 1860 Cenus) 2. a female name not known (b. abt 1820 to 1825) 3. John DENNIS (b. Mar 1822 NY) 4. Tobias H. DENNIS (b. May 1824) m. Sophia _______ (in Springfield Twp, Williams Co, OH in 1850 Census) 5. Spellman DENNIS (b. Mar 1825 NY - d. 1886 Bronson, Branch Co, MI) m. Emeline _____ 6. Malinda DENNIS (b. abt 1829 NY) 7. Nelson DENNIS (b. abt 1831 Erie Co, PA) 8. William DENNIS (b. abt 1834 Erie Co., PA) m. Jane ______ 9. George DENNIS (b. abt 1836 Erie Co, PA) 10. Cyrenius DENNIS (b. 1839 Erie Co., PA - d. 1926 Canada) John DENNIS's family was in Sylvania Twp, Lucas Co, OH in the 1850 census, but have lost him after that? 1850 US Census: Sylvania Tp, Lucas Co, OH, pg 111- Line 10/ 1599/ 1625 DENNIS, John / 35 yr/ M/ Farmer/ b. Mass Melinda/ 49 yr/ F/ b. Mass Nelson/ 19 yr/ M/ Farmer/ b. Penn William/ 17 yr/ M/ Farmer/ b. Penn George/ 15 yr/ M/ none/ b. Penn Cyrenius/ 11 yr/ M/ b. Penn Spelman/ 24 yr/ M/ Stage Driver/ b. NY Arthur DENNIS & Lucy BURNHAM's dau, Fanny DENNIS (b. 1803 ME - d. 1880 OH) , was the second wife of Solomon DROWN (son of John) and with him had 10 children. This family was in Adams Twp, Seneca Co, OH in 1850 Census. Would love to find others also researching any of the above families. Thank you - Glenda Frank Moser <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/o/s/Glenda-F-Moser/">FTM: The Glenda Frank Moser Genealogy Site</A> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=moser-frank_1">The MOSER / FRANK Family Tree - at RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project</A> <A HREF="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&GScid=100871&MRid=46511008&">All My Posts at Find A Grave-GFM</A> <A HREF="http://www.gencircles.com/users/gfmoser/1">The MOSER / FRANK Family Tree - Gencircles</A>

In doing some online searching, I've found that there is a Stafford burial plot in McKean Twp, and that in it are a Jonas Stafford, b. abt. 29 Jan 1774, d. 31 Jul 1852, and his second wife, Amy Slater. Jonas was also married to Alma Park (this is according to a couple of websites with no real substantial proof). At the Golden Cemetery, McKean Twp, there is also a John Stafford, b. abt. 10 Oct 1785, d. 22 Jan 1863, and his wife, Eleanor, b. abt. 24 Jan 1792, d. 24 Jul 1864. I'm wondering if either of these couples could be the parents of Joab Stafford? They seem to have been of parenting age at approximately the right times, and in the right place if Joab is from McKean Twp... I couldn't find anything to rule either couple either in or out. I'm probably barking up the wrong family trees. Geoff

Could he be a descendant of this Joab Stafford? The book is on Heritage Quest. Ther are lots of Joabs and Jobs mentioned but I see no Chloe. Benedict, Henry Marvin, A contribution to the genealogy of the Stafford family in America : containing an account of Col. Joab Stafford, and a complete record of his descendents in the male lines. Albany N.Y.: J. Munsell, 1870, 29 pgs. ------------------------ A Joab Stafford is listed in McKean TWP., Erie Co., PA in the 1820 census, with lots of other Staffords on the same page _ Jonathan, Jonas?, Henry, Lemuel and one I can't quite make out - Horrin? or Warren? maybe. I suspect your Joab is son of one of these. But there were an awful lot of Joabs and Jobs around in New England and NY, esp. Here's one that looks a lot like yours, in 1870: STAFFORD JOB 58 M W NY VT BENNINGTON BENNINGTON 1870 with Chloe 55, Henry 32, Frank 22, and a farm laborer named Charles Russell 19, all b VT except Job. Note birthplaces are different from what you have and ages of Chloe and Henry a little off your birth dates. How firm is you info? Could there possibly have been two Joabs/Jobs md. to a Chloe and b about 1812? Or could two of them have gotten mixed up somewhere along the way? Probably not - the data is just not very accurate, especially in the census. See 1880: Census Place Bennington, Bennington, Vermont Job STAFFORD Self M Male W 69 NY Farmer NY NY Chloe STAFFORD Wife M Female W 65 MASS Keep House MASS MASS Now she's born Mass., for crying out loud! Good luck! --- "G. Stafford" <geoff@kohalawrites.org> wrote: > > I'm the great-great-great-grandson of Joab and > Chloe Stafford, and > I'm trying to get some information about the > family. Here's what I > know: > > Joab Stafford was born in Pennsylvania abt. > 1818. > Chloe (maiden name unknown) was born in NY abt. > 1821. > Henry M. Stafford, their first child, was born > in PA in 1842. > > The family moved to Dryden, MI between 1842 and > 1850. > > Records I have found indicate that Henry was > born in McKean, PA. > I think that probably means McKean Twp, not > McKean County, > but I can't be sure of that. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Thanks for that info! I am positive Joab was born in PA, and Chloe was born in NY. They are listed on the 1850 census as living in Dryden, MI. Joab was a farmer, age 32, b. PA; Chloe a housewife, age 29, b. NY, and 8 year old Henry was listed as their son, b. PA. Henry and his wife, Lucinda are listed as living in Dryden, MI in the 1870 census along with their son, my great grandfather, Samuel Lucian Stafford; again Henry is shown to have been born in PA. Joab and Chloe are also documented in other places to be connected with Henry, listed as his parents on his tombstone, and they are also listed on his death certificate. Death dates match in both places, and his age at time of death was 30 years, 7 months, 15 days in both places. I know that there are a lot of Job Staffords, probably because Job Stafford was a famous revolutionary war figure, living in western MA (there's a monument to him near the MA/NY/VT borders). However, I'm almost certain that in 1842, at least, Joab and Chloe were living in PA, because Henry is listed as being born there in 1842. Geoff

Aloha list: I'm the great-great-great-grandson of Joab and Chloe Stafford, and I'm trying to get some information about the family. Here's what I know: Joab Stafford was born in Pennsylvania abt. 1818. Chloe (maiden name unknown) was born in NY abt. 1821. Henry M. Stafford, their first child, was born in PA in 1842. The family moved to Dryden, MI between 1842 and 1850. Records I have found indicate that Henry was born in McKean, PA. I think that probably means McKean Twp, not McKean County, but I can't be sure of that. Any information you might have about Joab, Chloe or Henry would be greatly appreciated. Geoff Stafford

Hi Does anyone know anything about Martha A. Turner who died 6 July 1894 in Elk Creek Twp., Erie Co., PA age 53 interred at Albion, Conneaut Twp.?--Betty

Looks like James Turner went back to his father's home state in 1910. Check this: Ashtabula County, Ohio, ED 18, visit 107, James M. Turner, age 37, born PENN, wife Francis P., age 26, born PENN. Could he have been in Richland County, Montana in 1920 with wife Franky? Gayle ----- Original Message ----- From: Trippworks59@wmconnect.com To: gdhix@cableone.net Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [PAERIE] William E. Turner Hi Gayle Thank you for that census info on William.--Betty

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:59:05 EDT Trippworks59@wmconnect.com writes: > Hi > Are there any death records for Frances P. Turner the wife of James N.Turner? > She died before 1948. They had one daughter, Martha. They lived in > Springfield Twp., Erie Co., PA. She was born in 1884. She is 15 when she married > James. They probably married in 1900--any marriage record that early? > They are found on the 1900 census in Springfield Twp, Erie Co. Why are they > not on later census as they continued to live in that area until they died? > Any help would be greatly appreciated.--Betty Betty, In the spirit of wanting to teach people to fish, instead of fishing for them I submit to you the following: These questions can be answered by looking for the dates that Pennsylvania kept vital records (birth, marriage, and death). Aside from many books written on the topic, this kind of information is available on the web and can be found by doing a search through www.Google.com. Put the following into the search box: Pennsylvania +"Vital Records" Also at www.Rootsweb.com under the USGenWeb project for Pennsylvania are links to various geographies which would describe what is available where. In the case of birth and death records, the Pennsylvania Vital Records department has an on-line form that you would fill out and submit to them. The rules have recently changed and only family members can request these records which are from 1906 to present. If you do not know the exact date they can do a 10 year search for you. Their site is http://www.dsf.health.state.pa.us/health/cwp/view.asp?a=168&q=229939 While the State of Pennsylvania handles the birth and death records from 1906 to present, the county records the marriage records from 1885 to present. So you should find out what county the couple filed their application in, and that is where the record is. This is not necessarily the same county in which they lived, or in which they got married. These are public records and you could write to the marriage records bureau to see if they will send you a copy of the applicaton and certificate (the application has the really great genealogical info including parents' names) and what the cost is. A lot of libraries have the census on-line now as a patron service. Working them can be another story. Be open to spelling variants and finding them in places you may not expect. Our expectations of what we think we should see sometimes blinds us to our ancestor's data even when we are staring at it in the face. I hope that you will pursue some of these avenues and find the thrill of the chase is even more exciting than finding them! Best wishes, -- Elissa Scalise Powell, CGRS CGRS and Certified Genealogical Records Specialist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. http://www.BCGcertification.org/ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

William E. or F. Turner, age 43, with family 1920 Springfield, Erie, PA, ED 137 image 4. Gayle ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lindag1947@comcast.net> To: <PAERIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [PAERIE] William E. Turner > 1930 Census, Erie County, Springfield Twp. > > William E. Turner, 54, b. PA > Abbie L. Turner, wife, 43 b. PA > Ethel Turner, dau., age 14 b. NY > Alice Turner, dau., age 13, b. NY > Betty Turner, dau. age 8, b. PA > > William was age 25 at marriage, Abbie was 15. > > Hope this helps. > Linda in Utah > > Hi > > Can anyone locate William E. Turner who lived on Mill Street in Springfield > > Twp in Erie Co in 1948? Is there an obit for him as he died after 1948? He > > was 71 in 1948. He was born in 1877. > > Can anyone find him on any census? > > Thanks for everyones help on my Turner family. Slowly I am getting some > > facts.--Betty > > > > > > ==== PAERIE Mailing List ==== > > Welcome to the PA-Erie Mailing List > > To leave PAERIE-L, send mail to PAERIE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single > > word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave PAERIE-D, do the same > > thing with PAERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com. > > Periodically, messages are received that various viruses are floating around the > > newslists. While no viruses have yet been transmitted via this board, all > > readers are strongly encouraged to keep their virus checkers up to date in order > > to ensure that your computer will not be impacted should this occur. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PAERIE Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the PA-Erie Mailing List > To leave PAERIE-L, send mail to PAERIE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave PAERIE-D, do the same thing with PAERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com. > Periodically, messages are received that various viruses are floating around the newslists. While no viruses have yet been transmitted via this board, all readers are strongly encouraged to keep their virus checkers up to date in order to ensure that your computer will not be impacted should this occur. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >