Looking for any sources that might help resolve a dilemna that crosses state lines and three counties. My great great grandfather was William Bush, who married Margaret Greeley the younger sister of the famous editor Horace Greeley. On the 1850 census for Spring Creek, Warren county, PA he is listed as William O. Bush age 32, born VT. This gives him a birth year of 1817/18. Their marriage is mentioned in the Fredonia NY newspaper clipping as marriage of "Oscar" Bush to Margaret Greeley. This is definitely my guy, because their youngest child is definitely my great grandfather Arthur, who was 1 month old on the 1850 census. Problem. Family is not on Warren county 1860 census, but NY 1855, US 1860, NY 1865 and later censuses show his wife and children living in Clymer, Chautauqua county, NY. Where is William? Assumption: death or divorce prior to 1855. Next clue: The Beers History of Erie county, in the article on the Greeley family, ends with "Marguerite united herself to a writing master named Bush, from whom she parted." That's all, but it suggests divorce might be my answer to William's whereabouts after 1850. Next clue: Quite by accident I find a William Bush on the 1860 census for Elk Creek twp, Erie county, PA. This William is also born VT, age 42 also giving a birth year of 1817/18. Aha! think I. There he is, living with his parents (maybe), a new young wife half his age, and starting a new young family with son Darius age 2 months. This looks promising, and in the Erie Public Library I find a January 15, 1899 burial listing for him in the Hope Cemetery in Wellsburg (which as we know from earlier posts is in Elk Creek twp.). So my wife and I drive up from Florida to investigate in person and what do we find? The burial record actually shows William "R." Bush, not William "O." His headstone in the cemetery also shows William R. Bush. Age is correct, place of birth is correct. I haven't found any other William Bushes from Vermont of that age anywhere. So how do I prove whether this is my gggfather or not? Is it likely that the informant for the burial got his middle initial wrong? Is there a marriage or divorce record that might give me a clue? Where would I find an obituary from Wellsburg area for January 15, 1899? Anyone have any ideas?? Dan Parry in Jacksonville, Florida [email protected]

Hello, I'm looking for any information on: Nelson STOCKWELL b. abt 1802 in Mass. wife Keziah b. abt 1811 in NY. daughters: Rozina/Rosina b. abt 1835 in PA. Eleanor b. abt 1837 in PA. Emeret(?) b. abt 1841 in PA. This family is on the 1850 census in Erie Co. Rosina married Oliver Perry Tuttle and lived in Warren County. Oliver is the son of John R. Tuttle and Margaret Bone Tuttle. Thanks, Elaine [email protected]

Hello List, First, let me say that it is an honor to have been asked to be the Co-Coordinator for Erie County (PA) Genealogy and co-host for the web site. As Mike indicated, I have been making changes to the site on his behalf for about three weeks now. As additional material is obtained, I will try to fill it in on the appropriate pages where possible. In the case of photos and/or scanned images, I have decided to place them in one or more Zing albums until I have gathered enough for a particular page theme. One such album has just been created with a link on the Old Time Photo page. This album is at http://www.zing.com/album/pictures.html?id=4293143207 and consists of scans of 6 postcards sent in by Ron Smith, one sent in by Joe Schmitt, and one of East High School in 1930 that I scanned in. I also have some pictures from 3 other people that I am trying to work into a particular page. If you have not done so recently, please visit the site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie/ and look around. Mike and I both welcome your comments, and especially your material, concerning the site. Bill Klauk Co-Coordinator, Erie County, PA, USGenWeb/PAGenWeb Project

>> The Census Taker's Home! (from the Sunday Afternoon Rocking series) > > Well, I'm surely glad to be home, that I am. I tell you another day like > this one and I am good mind just to fill them papers out on memory and be > done with it. Here, put these socks over there next to the fire to dry out, > will you? Got down yonder this mornin and everyone in Household 451 through > 486 was gone. Some big shindig going on down there. Good thing the folks in > 441 could tell me who they all was. > > Here, reckon you could go over some of the writin on this here page? Got > smeared a bit in the rain. I think you can cipher most of it out. Then them > folks down in the holler got suspicious over a census. Said, and derned if > they had a point, what difference did it make who they was? Was them guvment > folks up in Warshington going to come down here to say howdy do? So they > finally let me write down they last name and first initial, but I think they > wuz havin a bit of fun with me when they listed who lived in the house. Saw > some winkin goin on and I believe I got the same > house a youngins in two or three places. It been a day, woman. Honey, git > that paper out of Johnny's mouth, will ya? I worked all day on that thing, > and > no call to let him go chewin it up. >> Went up the river a piece and tried to get that done fore it come a > downpour, > but run into trouble there too. Ole Man Jenkins curr dog run me off and I > tell you, ain't no call to get eat up over such a thing as this. They ort to > be a limit what a man does for his country. Was lucky man down the road > mostly knew Jenkins was nigh on sixty years old and was living there with > his > woman and five youngins from his first marriage plus a passel from the > second. We give em good Christian names. Best be doin something bout this > pen. It give out on me halfway through. See you havin > trouble too. Johnny! Hand that here, boy! > > And I tell you I would ruther fight grandpap's British than mess with that > feller out on the ridge. He got out his shotgun soon as he seen me comin and > I went t'other direction. Had Jones tell me about him instead, and he didn't > rightly know the feller's first name, said they called him "Squirrel", and > it was ok just to put that cause wasn't nobody around here claimin him no > how, and they for sure didn't want the guvment knowin there was any > relationship. That coffee done? > > Then got over to Smiths, and ole Hoss was in a nervous fit so wasn't no > getting information there. His woman havin another youngin and he looked > like he could run right through me when I went to askin how many youngins he > had now. Hightailed it out of there, and Miz Hart helped me straighten that > household out. Think we got most of the names straight, and as he has had a > youngin a year for the last ten, ages purty close too. Now look what Johnny > went and done! > > I tell you, next time this come around I ain't gonna be no where in sight. > Farmin a heap easier, and I figger there folks round here what can read and > write and cipher and ain't no good fer nothing else we can spare for this > foolishness. Pass me another tater, will you? > > >

HI Folks! I want to take this opportunity to wish you all a happy and prosperous New Year! I also want to thank each of your for your contribution and support for the site. We have come a long way the past 4 months in breathing life into the Erie County site! We could not have done it without the help of those of you who take the time to transcribe the books, cemeteries, obits and more. And also those of you who share your families with us, your walls and your successes and then leave trails for others to follow. You will never really know the contribution that you have been for many many people. You all are truly the essence of what Genealogy is all about and I am proud to have been the coordinator of your venture these past few months. As you know, my new job has been much more time consuming than my previous job and I have not had the time or energy to put into the site like I want to. In that light please join me in officially welcoming Bill Klauk as Co-Coordinator for the Erie County (PA) Genealogy web site. Bill has served well as a Township Coordinator for Millcreek Township and has been managing the day-to-day maintenance of the site for several weeks now. I know you all have been enjoying his photos and stories! Bill will make sure things keep happening on the site, will keep up the excitement level and will be a huge asset to the site. I am happy to have him as my partner! I don't like to single out people in a project like this, because it is such a team effort, but I must single out a couple of people. One is Gaylene Kerr Banister. I know it took HUNDREDS of hours to transcribe the History of Erie County. I have seen that book...it is HUGE. And now she is posting hundreds of Biographies where folks from all over the genealogy world will have access to them. We are all very fortunate that she took the time to do this project and to share it with us! I am personally deeply grateful. Barb Seyler, who has contributed much and has been my hearty supporter. We live nearby each other and will soon be meeting. Dee Davidson is also a valued supporter and contributor. Last but certainly not least, Marian Fromknecht who has posted hundreds of obits on the Gen Connect site, which once again will benefit hundreds of people all over the country. You all have my deep appreciation! There are many other folks whose contributions are equally important and valuable and I am thankful for your time and commitment. Bill and I are looking forward to 2001 and are committed to bringing you more data, more people and more leads to your families rich heritage! Best Wishes for the New Year! Mike Wennin Come Visit the Cameron County Genealogy Project! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacamero Check out the Erie County Genealogy page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie

Erie County Genealogy, had a total of 442 visitors last week. Visitors for last week divided per weekday: 2000-12-24: 46 2000-12-25: 36 2000-12-26: 45 2000-12-27: 66 2000-12-28: 67 2000-12-29: 86 2000-12-30: 96 Mike Come Visit the Cameron County Genealogy Project! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacamero Check out the Erie County Genealogy page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie

Hellow, I'm new to this list! I am trying to trace an entire family after they came to US in 1830s. Only one branch is my direct line. There is a web site with all the info, but here is one branch that leads to Erie, Erie,PA that I am working on. Dick in Bowie MD ################# ( JC5) Mary Ann. (CROSS ) FOSTER & BLACK ( 1833-????) There is an IGI record of a Mary Ann Cross being born to Jeremiah Cross & Mary Ann. Its likely this mother was Ann Mary Everett? Saint Anne Soho, Westminister, London, Eng. >From IGI: Mary Ann CROSS ; Christening: ; 4 Mar 1833 ; Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England ;Parents: Father: Jeremiah CROSS Mother: Mary Ann Jeremiah B.BLACK-Cleveland OH m.1864 Mary Ann CROSS married John Batty Foster ( One record says "Betty" , not "Batty"?) in 10 Sept 1853 in Cuyahoga OH (likely Cleveland where she lived). Mary likely married a Jeremiah B. BLACK after in 1864. A Mary A. Foster married Jeremiah B. Black in 20 Aug 1864 in Cuyahoga, OH. A Jeremiah B. BLACK was in US CW . Priv in 188 OH Inf. & Priv out in 197 OH Inf. Ref 000552, 0009, 00000718. Q-So did John Foster die in CW? In OH there are references to John Foster: b. 19 Jan 1830 or 27 Aug 1844 ? See in OH 1820 & 1870 Census & OH Land Records: 1825, 1829, 1835 & 1837. Pensions 1883. A John B. Foster in 1870 census. A Jeremiah Black enlisted in OH 18Feb 1865 as Corpl. Age 30 for Union. The age fits! Based on others information, here is update on BLACK family connection: Jeremiah Billings Black was born 14 Jan 1835 in Plymouth, Hancock, ME & died in Erie,Erie,PA Children by Mary Ann CROSS were: (1) Lillie Mae ( BLACK) GREEN , b. 4 Sept 1865 in Cleveland, OH, d. 10 July 1909 in Strongsville, OH, m. Walter R. GREEN in 30 Sept. 1884. His father was Walter Ronie GREEN & mother Sussie Bulin Ingram. Their Children born in Cleveland OH: Huburt W. GREEN, b. abt 1892 Cleveland, OH Grace L. GREEN, b. abt 1894 Cleveland, OH Rhea May ( GREEN) SHEER , b. 29 Mar 1896 Cleveland, OH , d. 30 Nov 1937 in Cleveland, OH.Spouse was Walter Albert SHEER, m. 25 June 1914. Walter d. 5 Jan 1966 in Strongsville, OH. (2) Charlie BLACK , b. 19 Sept 1867 in Plymouth, Hancock, ME, d. 12 Sept 1912 in Cleveland, OH, m. Ellen ZIMMERMAN b. 1871? in Cleveland,OH? Their Children: Bessie BLACK, Florence BLACK, Russell BLACK. Children by Jeremiah's 2nd wife (unk) were: (3) Frank BLACK (4) August BLACK-IGI has record of this in abt. 1863 with Jeremiah as Father & no mother listed. Its a send in data! Note in same town there was a Andrew Jackson Black ( bro. of Jeremiah) he had son August Eugene Black 1875 in Erie, Erie, PA.

HI Barb! Have you check with the county library for the obits? They have them back to 1822. The Pennsylvania State Library has an extensive collection of Erie papers on microfilm that you can borrow via interlibrary loan. Mike Come Visit the Cameron County Genealogy Project! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacamero Check out the Erie County Genealogy page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb Seyler <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: [PAERIE] Union City Times > Hi Genealogy Friends! > > Does anyone know if there is microfilm available somewhere for the Union City Times, in 1901. I have a short obit for Dr. George W. Wilson that is from a Neighborhood Newspaper and it references information from "Union City Times." Article would have appeared around March 9, 1901 as that was his date of death. > Also am searching for an obituary for Anna (Burdick) Wilson, wife of George W. Wilson, who died 17 February 1895. They were living in Mill Village - however, there might be mention in the Union City Times for her as well. > > Will appreciate any advice and help. > > Thanks, > > Barb > > > > > ==== PAERIE Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the PA-Erie Mailing List > > ============================== > Get Free Access to over 900 million names from Dec 7 until Dec 21!http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/freeaccess.htm?sourcecode=736 > >

I've just finished posting obits from the Union City Times-Leader for the following surnames in Erie County at http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Pa/ErieObits : Emerson Strycker Glover Hope these help someone! Linda

Hi Genealogy Friends! Does anyone know if there is microfilm available somewhere for the Union City Times, in 1901. I have a short obit for Dr. George W. Wilson that is from a Neighborhood Newspaper and it references information from "Union City Times." Article would have appeared around March 9, 1901 as that was his date of death. Also am searching for an obituary for Anna (Burdick) Wilson, wife of George W. Wilson, who died 17 February 1895. They were living in Mill Village - however, there might be mention in the Union City Times for her as well. Will appreciate any advice and help. Thanks, Barb

Has anyone noticed an increase in junk mail over the past couple of weeks? In addition to at least a dozen pieces of junk, I've received email containing the Snow White virus twice during this time period. Since I don't use this email address for online ordering or newsgroup postings, I'm wondering if email addresses can be taken from this list as a group. Thanks... Linda Emerson Twain Harte, CA

Hi Barb... Happy New Year! I was able to obtain quite a few obits from the Union City Public Library. The person who assisted me is the Library Director, Ruth Cogan, and her email address is mailto:[email protected] . Here is some info from her first reply to my inquiry: "The Union City Public Library has some obituary records taken from local newspapers, as well as copies of the local newspaper, Times-Leader, dating back to 1865. If you could provide us with names, dates, or whatever you have, we would be glad to research this information for you. Generally, we charge $5.00 per hour for this work. If you have dates, or if the information is readily available, there would not be a charge. The fee only applies if we have to search through the microfilm. Hope this helps. Ruth Cogan, Library Director." Good luck... Linda Barb Seyler wrote: > Hi Genealogy Friends! > > Does anyone know if there is microfilm available somewhere for the Union City Times, in 1901. I have a short obit for Dr. George W. Wilson that is from a Neighborhood Newspaper and it references information from "Union City Times." Article would have appeared around March 9, 1901 as that was his date of death. > Also am searching for an obituary for Anna (Burdick) Wilson, wife of George W. Wilson, who died 17 February 1895. They were living in Mill Village - however, there might be mention in the Union City Times for her as well.

re: mortgage records for Erie County: If you're far away from Harrisburg AND Erie, like I am in Utah, the mortgage records for 1815-1836, and indices for 1823-1919 are available to be ordered at your local Family History Center. These records are on microfilm. Perhaps with an exact volume and page number, a local person could be found to look up the record. Linda in Utah

The mortgage books are indeed an excellent resource. The Pennsylvania Archives in Harrisburg also has microfilm of mortgage books and wills, and accompanying indices, for Erie County. For those within range of Harrisburg and too far from Erie, the Archives is a good resource. Steve Cummins ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Klauk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 10:57 Subject: [PAERIE] Land Deeds, Mortgages and Wills - Erie County Courthouse > Happy New Year List, > In response to a previous item posted, another list member has provided some information which (with her permission) is repeated to the list. > QUOTE > The land deeds and the wills are at the Erie County Court House, and there are indexes to both. Also, there are mortgage books, which are often overlooked by researchers in the beginning but which provide some wonderful information. I have found land and mortgage deeds that list entire families and their relationships, when sometimes the wills do not. The land and mortgage deeds begin as early as the 1830s. You can search the books yourself, or the cost if $15.00 a search. I was charged $1.00 a page for photocopies of the wills, and $0.50 for photocopies of the land deeds. > UNQUOTE > Eventually we will get this information posted to the web site, but there is a lot of 'stuff' to be posted, so be patient. > > Bill Klauk > Erie County, PA > > > ==== PAERIE Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the PA-Erie Mailing List > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

can anyone help these folks from Germany? Mike Come Visit the Cameron County Genealogy Project! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacamero Check out the Erie County Genealogy page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 9:03 AM Subject: Johann Rabensdorf > Hello Mr. Wennin, > > I found the name "Rabendorf" in Erie, PA. It is the name of my mothers > family. Can you tell me more? I live in Germany and my English is not very > good. In Germany we know all people with the name Rabensdorf. For my family > tree I search for Rabensdorf-persons in USA. I think there is a connection > between our families. > > Thanks > Sabine König > > My e-mail adress: [email protected] >

Happy New Year List, In response to a previous item posted, another list member has provided some information which (with her permission) is repeated to the list. QUOTE The land deeds and the wills are at the Erie County Court House, and there are indexes to both. Also, there are mortgage books, which are often overlooked by researchers in the beginning but which provide some wonderful information. I have found land and mortgage deeds that list entire families and their relationships, when sometimes the wills do not. The land and mortgage deeds begin as early as the 1830s. You can search the books yourself, or the cost if $15.00 a search. I was charged $1.00 a page for photocopies of the wills, and $0.50 for photocopies of the land deeds. UNQUOTE Eventually we will get this information posted to the web site, but there is a lot of 'stuff' to be posted, so be patient. Bill Klauk Erie County, PA

After exchanging several e-mail messages with Jose Rivera who advised of these obituaries, he is actually maintaining a very large database index of obituaries from a number of on-line sources. For convenience he has some international, United States by state, and states with a lot by county, all posted on his Orange County site. His database is by where people were born. If a person is listed, Jose can look up the obit and provide further information. I will coordinate further with him and establish a link to his database with additional information. Bill Klauk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: [PAERIE] Fw: Obits Index - Erie County, PA H!I This was sent to me by one of our readers....not sure why it is on a NY site, but check it out! Mike Come Visit the Cameron County Genealogy Project! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacamero Check out the Erie County Genealogy page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jose Rivera To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 1:46 AM Subject: Obits Index - Erie County, PA Mike For your info: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyorange/obits_pa_erie_01.htm José Rivera Nieves ==== PAERIE Mailing List ==== Welcome to the PA-Erie Mailing List ============================== The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1

Thanks to advice from our state coordinator, Nate Zipfel, there is a web page at http://paironworks.virtualave.net/erie.html which is an index to "Iron Works" in Erie County, for anyone who maybe interested. There is some annoying pop-up windows and music; however. Happy New Year to all. Bill Klauk Erie County, PA

Greetings and Happy New Year, listers. Could some kind soul search a city directory for Erie, PA for the year 1884 for Harry CLARKE? He is my g'grandfather, and was reported in his obituary as having joined the International Typographical union at about this time in Erie. If he is here it may give a clue to where he and his family (parents/siblings) went to from London, Ontario. His parents are my brick wall. Many thanks and much appreciation for any assistance given. Respectfully, Beth C. St. Paul, MN

Although this mail list goes through a filter process at Rootsweb, several list administrators in PA have advised that they are getting a substantial number of 'rejected' messages containing the Snow White worm virus that is properly known as W95.Hybris.Gen. As there are probably a lot of new computer users at this time, the chances to get this worm virus in private e-mail increases. Symantec (Norton Anti-Virus) has this at the top of their list. Although I do not like to use a genealogy mail list to advise about viruses and worms, the fact that several list administrators have been discussing it on the 'administrators' mail list, prompts me to bring this to everyone's attention and to urge each of you to make sure your have your PCs properly protected with your favorite anti-virus program, and urge you to make sure you have updated your virus definitions file with the various methods built into each anti-virus software. Please do not start a discussion of viruses and/or worms and/or anti-virus software on this mail list. Thank you for the interuption of your New Year's Eve parties and Happy 2001 to all. Bill Klauk Erie County, PA