For Gus, Dave B. and Ginnie and Peggy, I have been visiting grandchildren in North Pole, Alaska for the last month and just got home this week. Checking my e-mail, I noticed some interest on the list about Phillip and Margaret Kreckel. Phillip and Margaret Fleischman are my g.g. grandparents. Their son, William is my g. grand grandfather. Williams's daughter, Mercedes Kreckel is my grandmother. I have information (I believe through the St. Marys Historical Society, provided by a friend from the list searching for the Lechner connection) that give Phillip's parents as Philip and Susanna Gross Kreckel. I found both Phillip's listed in the 1860 Federal Census (Elk Co.) at ancestry.com. First, I will let you know that I have found the spelling of the last name on many different documents as Kregel, Kreckel, Kreckle, Krickel, Kriegel and Crakel and that the census takers sometimes spelled what they heard. 1860 Federal Census, PA, Elk Co. Benzinger Twp. Pg. 122/123 Phillip Krakel...age 38...day labor...b. Nassau (Germany) Margaret 31 b. Bavaria (Germany) John 11 b. PA Christ 10 Elizabeth Margaret 7 Catherine 4 Magdalene 2 Elizabeth is listed in the census as Elizabeth but was known as Margaret. The Catherine listed is the Catherine that married Joseph Lechner. I also found who I believe are Philip's parents in the 1860 census. 1860 Federal Census, PA, Elk Co. Benzinger Twp., Pg 127 John Krakel............age 38.....b. Nassau, Germany Cunigunda 27 b. Nassau, Germany Ambrose 11 b. PA Eliza 9 Mary 5 Catherine 1 Philip 60 b. Nassau, Germany Margaret 58 b. Nassau, Germany The Margaret married to Philip, I am guessing would be the Susanna I referred to...could be she is Margaret Susanna or Susanna Margaret but the dates and places of birth match so I am fairly certain this is Philip I and Phillip 11. The first Philip had these children: Phillip 1822 John 1824 Catherine 1838. This Catherine married Joseph Heiberger I am aware that both John and Phillip are listed as 38 but also know that you can get different ages on the census reports....I try to take the census info plus other into...death certs, church records, obits and what else I can get my hands on and then use common sense to make connections. I apologize for such a long message but thought I would share my info with all those who posed for the Kreckel info. Hope this information helps someone out there! Gus, you mentioned that you had gotten some death records from the the St. Marys Church Death Records....would you share them with me. You can e-mail me privately, if you wish. My e-mail addy is lini@cvzoom.net. Linda. -- Linda Gallentine, Fayette Co., PA Researching: Franklin, Kollar, Fleichman, Kregel (Kreckel), Core, Grattan, Murphy, Barthen, McGinnis, Gallentine