Weeell, not quite. In 1790, Elk was part of Northumberland. In 1795, Lycoming was carved out of Northumberland and covered pretty much of the northern middle section of PA. Half of Clearfield was included in this 1795 split into Lycoming county-- the other half of Clearfield was located in Huntingdon county. By 1800, Lycoming still covered Jefferson, Elk, Cameron, and part of Clearfield. The counties of Clearfield, Jefferson, McKean and Potter were created in 1804 out of Lycoming county. The area that is now Elk County was then part of three different counties in 1804-- the western half or so of Elk County(current Elk twps of Highland, Millstone and Spring Creek) was Jefferson County, the current twps of Horton, Fox, Jay and Benezette were part of Clearfield County, and from about Ridgway northward was McKean. And of course this situation remained until 1843, when Elk was created out of Jefferson, McKean, and Clearfield counties. So depending upon where your ancestors lived in the present county of Elk, you may find records for them in five different counties-- Northumberland, Lycoming, Clearfield, Jefferson, McKean, and after 1843, Elk County. I feel that it is quite doubtful that you would find any records in Northumberland county or Lycoming county because there were no white settlers here that early for there to be records. However, records for pre 1843 inhabitants of Elk County can and DO exist in Jefferson, Clearfield and McKean counties. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd H. Yost <lhyost@nfdc.net> To: <PAELK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [PAELK] Kersy in Elk County???? > > What is now Elk County -- > 1784 Purchased from the Native Americans and called Northumberland County > 1790 Still part of Northumberland. > 1798 Lycoming County carved out of Northumberland and what is now Elk > was called Lycoming. > 1800 Still calleld Lycoming. > 1843 Elk set up out of Lycoming. > > Lloyd Yost > > > ==== PAELK Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Elk Co., PA mailing list, send an e-mail to paelk-l-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the e-mail. (minus the quotation marks!) > > ============================== > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 > >

Sharon Dani and JP wrote: > Hi Sherry J! > Was Kersey in ELK Co. in 1826?? > Thanks, > Sharon in Canada What is now Elk County -- 1784 Purchased from the Native Americans and called Northumberland County 1790 Still part of Northumberland. 1798 Lycoming County carved out of Northumberland and what is now Elk was called Lycoming. 1800 Still calleld Lycoming. 1843 Elk set up out of Lycoming. Lloyd Yost

The library does not have an obituary index. They do have the newspapers on microfilm for people to use when they come to the library. It's a school library as well as a public library so requesting lookups may take awhile and it would be best to have as close a date as possible. The phone is 814-837-6821, ext. 206

I am not sure what this area was called in 1826 but in the late 1870-1880 time period, Kersey was known as Centerville. I am not at all sure why the name Centerville was changed, but the name of the town was then changed to Kersey, in honor of William Kersey who lead the first intrepid settlers into this area. The first settlers came to this area between 1811-1817 and were primarily Quakers from the York Co. and Centre Co., PA area. The first permanent settler of Fox Twp is considered to be Elijah Meredith. In 1826, the area that Kersey lies in (Fox Twp) was part of Clearfield Co., PA (very early on I think this whole area was referred to as Chincleclamoose-- loosely translated it is Seneca for "Buffalo Swamp") , and continued to be part of Clearfield until 1843, when Elk Co., PA was formed. Even so, there is still a Fox Twp., Clearfield Co., PA on the 1850 census. SO....if you are looking for "Kersey" on the 1830 census-- you will need to look at the Clearfield Co., PA census. Am I rambling? :-) Are you thoroughly confused now? Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Dani and JP <amuckdjp@sympatico.ca> To: <PAELK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: [PAELK] Kersy in Elk County???? > Hi Sherry J! > Was Kersey in ELK Co. in 1826?? > Thanks, > Sharon in Canada > > > ==== PAELK Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Elk Co., PA mailing list, send an e-mail to paelk-l-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the e-mail. (minus the quotation marks!) > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Hi Sherry J! Was Kersey in ELK Co. in 1826?? Thanks, Sharon in Canada

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Dani and JP" <amuckdjp@sympatico.ca> To: "Sharon Dani and JP" <amuckdjp@sympatico.ca> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [PAELK] Bucheit Family > I made a mistake on the site for McKean. This should be the correct one: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pamckean/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Dani and JP" <amuckdjp@sympatico.ca> > To: <PAELK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:27 AM > Subject: [PAELK] Bucheit Family > > > > For those of you seeking Bucheit family info. you should also check the > McKean Co. site at: > > PAMCKEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > there were Bucheits living in Kane Pa, and several graduated from Kane > High, in 1958, 1960, 1961, and 1962. I cannot give their names, as I do not > publish names of living people. > > The Kane High Library may have an obituary index, which they could look a > name up for you, but I am not positive about that. You would have to > call/write them > > The McKean site does have census info, Birth registrations for Kane and > some Civil War info. > > Good Luck in your searching! > > PS I am not totally positive about this, but I think they (Bucheits) were > members of St. Callistus Church in Kane, and therefore, may be interred in > St. Callistus Cemetery. > > Yours truly, > > Ms. S. Doré > > CANADA > > > > > > ==== PAELK Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the Elk Co., PA mailing list, send an e-mail to > paelk-l-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the > e-mail. (minus the quotation marks!) > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > >

For those of you seeking Bucheit family info. you should also check the McKean Co. site at: PAMCKEAN-L@rootsweb.com there were Bucheits living in Kane Pa, and several graduated from Kane High, in 1958, 1960, 1961, and 1962. I cannot give their names, as I do not publish names of living people. The Kane High Library may have an obituary index, which they could look a name up for you, but I am not positive about that. You would have to call/write them The McKean site does have census info, Birth registrations for Kane and some Civil War info. Good Luck in your searching! PS I am not totally positive about this, but I think they (Bucheits) were members of St. Callistus Church in Kane, and therefore, may be interred in St. Callistus Cemetery. Yours truly, Ms. S. Doré CANADA

These are very important issues and I'm happy to see someone has brought these issues to everyone's attention. For myself I have no problem with others using information for their own research or to have on hand with the possibility of future use where they can't place families now. I don't think that information should be posted if the researcher requests that it not be posted and the researcher is not even a part of that family they are posting. About six months into my researching I was still trying to piece our family together with what little information I had from my Aunt's Family Tree. No one in our immediate family knew of what I had found as I didn't feel it was complete enough to print for them yet and I was making contact with others who could help. I found someone who gave me much information I was seeking and who was also a distant relative. I wanted him to have some information on our family should anyone else be searching for any of them as well. After I typed up the information consisting of birthdates and some living Aunts and Uncles, as soon as I had sent it I realized my mistake. I had sent it to someone else by mistake. She wrote back thanking me and asking if she could use it in her files. I immediately told her that it was sent to her by mistake, that I didn't mind if she kept it on hand but I did not want anything posed. When she wrote again she said that it was not sent to her by mistake. I explained to her that I was still researching and at this point I did not know how accurate the information was. Soon after not only was every name I sent to her posted but those living were posted as well and some had birthdates with them. She wrote again telling me these were all listed under Broderbund and as far as I could see not even related to her. I soon wrote to my sister who also does some researching and she told her the family did not want anything posted. She wrote back and was exceptionally rude to her, saying that "we should both just go back to our clannish ways". Yes, I was angry thinking my unresearched research had gone public, so I took action. I wrote immediately sending all of my emails to and from her to the ancestry site explaining what had happened. I told them I did not want her posting this, that it was sent by mistake. I thought that I had some rights but I was wrong. I thought she would have done what was right but she didn't. They said they would check into it but it was weeks before some of the names were taken off of those that were living. Some of these names never existed on the Internet until she posted them. I haven't checked lately because it's obvious I can't do anything anyway. I guess I'm angry because those who love to research should have consideration for others on the Internet the same as for those who are a neighbor or a friend. There are many good people out there researching and without some of them I couldn't have found what I have. If someone wants to go to the Courthouse and finds something out about my family I have no objection should we be a part of that family. But I also think we as researchers should have some rights for our families that we are researching in the sense that should we not want something posted it should be removed. Not that things shouldn't be posted. They should be, should no one object. One more thing, this incident did cause me some problems with my family tree. I told the family I would not post anything on the Internet so they would not be hesitant to give me the information that I so needed to write the tree. By this information being posted I have had difficulty with some of the family returning to me their portion of the updated family tree. I guess I should have taken that one day off researching.... Kathleen Shick julioett@penn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: GJ & SJ <gljslj@penn.com> To: <PAELK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: [PAELK] Discussion on another list > There was recently a discussion on another list that I was on that I found > very interesting, but the listowners nipped it in the bud before it really > go off the ground. I am posting the two emails here that started the > discussion, and invite comments from those of you on the list. I too feel > that this is going to become an issue in the future for online researchers. > > Please keep in mind, that someone else having your name and birthdate, > marriage date, etc in their files is perfectly legal and as it stands now, > there is nothing you can do about it. Having said that, please read on: > > > "Most of us who have been on the web for awhile know that it is considered > bad form to post information on living individuals to internet webpages, > forums, etc. While it may be legal, it may not be ethical. > > So how do you feel about researchers who access information in the > courthouses on living individuals,and then take the info home to add to > their databases? How would you feel if you found out someone had accessed > YOUR marriage licence, abstracted the data, and entered you into their > family tree without your knowledge? How would you feel if someone looked > up > your father's will and abstracted family info from it? BTW, this is all > perfectly legal and within an individual's rights, and I have done research > this way many, many times. > > There seems to be a movement afoot of certain folks who believe that NO > information whatsoever on living individuals should be entered into > anyone's > database-- no names OR dates. They feel access to these courthouse records > should be restricted. I think that this would have a serious detrimental > effect on genealogy, but I can kind of see both sides of this issue, and I > am having trouble forming an opinion. I am interested in what others have > to > say." > > "If someone e-mailed you and DEMANDED to be removed from your genealogy > database, would you do it? Should you do it? Has this ever happened to > any > of you? What did you do? > > Do you feel that births listed in the newspaper are also "fair game" and > advocate adding these to a database? How about survivor listings in an > obituary? Engagement announcements? Marriage announcements? All of these > resources used by genealogists, and yet all of them dealing with living > people. > > One woman in a forum that I was reading said it should be a law that a > signed permission slip should be obtained from every living person in an > individual's database. The logistics of this little gem of wisdom are > staggering. I would quickly pack up my family group sheets and retire from > genealogy if this ever came to pass." > > > > > ==== PAELK Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Elk Co., PA mailing list, send an e-mail to paelk-l-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the e-mail. (minus the quotation marks!) > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that the obits I posted here are also online at rootsweb in the appropriate county web pages. Please let me know if you have questions. Thanks, Julie -- Julie Reese Bookser jrbookse@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

1) Was Hilda Bucheit that married Ambrose Wortman the daughter of Frank & Mary (Goetz) Bucheit? Ambrose was killed in WWII in 1944. 2) Was Phillip that married Irene Hoffman the son of Alois & Magdalene (Goetz) Bucheit? Dave

These are reposts of previously sent messages which due to my bad timing didn't make it to the list. 1. I went ahead and started scanning the old family photo album that I have mentioned in the past on this list. There are still about a dozen more photos to scan. You can find it at: http://members.home.net/amikael/ Just click on through to the photo page. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who could help in identifying the various individuals in the pictures or narrowing down dates. Not all of them were taken in Elk County, but I believe many of them were. See any familiar faces? 2. I am exploring some possibilities and wondered if anyone has more information about the BONNET family seen in the 1850 and 1860 Elk County census? At Jones Township in 1850 they are seen as: Francis Bonnet 49 GER Barbara 38 GER Barbara 16 GER Mary 13 GER Catherine 7 NY John 5 PA Tekla (F) 2 PA I am particularly interested in the daughter Catherine. After looking more carefully at some old family photographs (from the album mentioned above), I noticed that one particular photograph of my 3rd great grandfather, Scott MACDONALD, and was taken in 1865 by St. Mary's photographer W.R. Finch. Scott married a woman named Catherine who was born in NY between 1840 -1844 with both parents from Germany. Judging from some scrawl at the bottom of a photograph, I had thought her surname to be BONERT. She was Roman Catholic. They had a daughter named Maud who was born somewhere in PA abt. 1860. I have no other information on her family. While I am probably grasping at straws, seeing as I have had so little luck exploring this particular brick wall, it can't hurt to check. Could the Catherine BONNET = Catherine BONERT? I noticed that the brother John and mother Barbara were buried in Holy Cross Cemetary under the name BONNERT. Is there any connection? Is that a Catholic cemetary? Any help (to probably disprove my very shaky theory) would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Angela

There was recently a discussion on another list that I was on that I found very interesting, but the listowners nipped it in the bud before it really go off the ground. I am posting the two emails here that started the discussion, and invite comments from those of you on the list. I too feel that this is going to become an issue in the future for online researchers. Please keep in mind, that someone else having your name and birthdate, marriage date, etc in their files is perfectly legal and as it stands now, there is nothing you can do about it. Having said that, please read on: "Most of us who have been on the web for awhile know that it is considered bad form to post information on living individuals to internet webpages, forums, etc. While it may be legal, it may not be ethical. So how do you feel about researchers who access information in the courthouses on living individuals,and then take the info home to add to their databases? How would you feel if you found out someone had accessed YOUR marriage licence, abstracted the data, and entered you into their family tree without your knowledge? How would you feel if someone looked up your father's will and abstracted family info from it? BTW, this is all perfectly legal and within an individual's rights, and I have done research this way many, many times. There seems to be a movement afoot of certain folks who believe that NO information whatsoever on living individuals should be entered into anyone's database-- no names OR dates. They feel access to these courthouse records should be restricted. I think that this would have a serious detrimental effect on genealogy, but I can kind of see both sides of this issue, and I am having trouble forming an opinion. I am interested in what others have to say." "If someone e-mailed you and DEMANDED to be removed from your genealogy database, would you do it? Should you do it? Has this ever happened to any of you? What did you do? Do you feel that births listed in the newspaper are also "fair game" and advocate adding these to a database? How about survivor listings in an obituary? Engagement announcements? Marriage announcements? All of these resources used by genealogists, and yet all of them dealing with living people. One woman in a forum that I was reading said it should be a law that a signed permission slip should be obtained from every living person in an individual's database. The logistics of this little gem of wisdom are staggering. I would quickly pack up my family group sheets and retire from genealogy if this ever came to pass."

Dave is right here-- although the facts of a person's life such as name, date, etc are considered public domain, the way those facts are PRESENTED can be copyrighted. Thus, an obituary, being a creation of the newspaper that printed it, can be copyrighted. This could be easily circumvented by changing the wording a bit when you post. From: "D. Bobenrieth" <dboben@penn.com> Subject: Re: [PAELK] Obituary Postings? Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:27:54 -0500 Mike, The facts are not copyrighted, just the obituary. I was going to post obituaries to the Elk County board until I read their notice. http://pa-roots.com/elk/data.html Dave > The facts of a person's life are public domain and are not protected by > copyright law. > > "The copyright laws affect both the research and the publication of your > genealogy, either a narrative family history or a simple pedigree family > line. First, though, consider that the basic facts about your ancestor's > life (such as name, birth date and place, marriage partner, date and place, > and death date and place) do not receive copyright protection, no matter > their source. Whether you went to the county courthouse, rented a microfilm > of the relevant records, or found the data in a commercial CD-ROM, the basic > facts of a person's life may be freely copied; they are in the public > domain." > > I would post those obits in the GenConnect Obit section for Elk County so > that more people will benefit from them! > > Mike Wennin > Come Visit the Cameron County Genealogy Project! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacamero > Check out the Erie County Genealogy page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GJ & SJ <gljslj@penn.com> > To: <PAELK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: [PAELK] Obituary Postings? > > > She could post whole obits up to 1930 anyway without it being a problem. > > > > The Clarion mailing list has been posting the daily obituaries from the > > Clarion newspaper for a couple of months now, and there haven't been any > > problems. In fact, it has been a great resource, and I've added quite a > > few names to my database that I wouldn't normally have had available to > me. > > > > I won't tell. :-) > >

I was told at one time that the old Elk County Home records were located at the courthouse. But everyone at the courthouse disavows any knowledge of them being there. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ginnyeakin@csonline.net> To: <PAELK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: Elk County Home > Does anyone know where the records to the old Elk County Home may have been placed? I have a gr gr grandfather, John Engert, who by his wifes will, was stated to be in the Elk County home as a "lunatic" were kept?? I just curious to the seriousness of that. Her will mentioned him (alive) as of 1907. I believe he died 1917. She died 1911. Would be neat to find records of his stay and perhaps the nature of his illness. Perhaps was our now-days alzheimers, or seizures. > Thanks! > Ginny > > > Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com > > > ==== PAELK Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Elk Co., PA mailing list, send an e-mail to paelk-l-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the e-mail. (minus the quotation marks!) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Does anyone know where the records to the old Elk County Home may have been placed? I have a gr gr grandfather, John Engert, who by his wifes will, was stated to be in the Elk County home as a "lunatic" were kept?? I just curious to the seriousness of that. Her will mentioned him (alive) as of 1907. I believe he died 1917. She died 1911. Would be neat to find records of his stay and perhaps the nature of his illness. Perhaps was our now-days alzheimers, or seizures. Thanks! Ginny Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com

Thanks for sending the obits!! My grandmothers sister, Anna Eichenmuller , her first husband was Johan Goetz from Germany. He died in a lumbering accident. I could not see how they related at this time but I read them all and they were very interesting!!! I hope others will share the same information!! Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com

Wondering if anyone had any information with regard to a 7Up plant being in the area back in 1950-1960??? I was under impression from family talk that it was in Kane PA, or perhaps in Fox Township? Kuglers owned or operated it at one time, about 30-35 years ago.?? Thanks Ginny Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com

I went ahead and started scanning the old family photo album that I have mentioned in the past on this list. There are still about a dozen more photos to scan. You can find it at: http://members.home.net/amikael/ I would appreciate hearing from anyone who could help in identifying the various individuals in the pictures or narrowing down dates. Not all of them were taken in Elk County, but I believe many of them were. See any familiar faces? Sincerely, Angela Ontario, Canada

For those of you who are researching the Habbe family, a communion certificate for Joseph Habbe of St. Marys dated 1893 is being auctioned on ebay. Search for 1893 Communion Certificate. I have no connection to the auction. Dee

I am exploring some possibilities and wondered if anyone has more information about the BONNET family seen in the 1850 and 1860 Elk County census? At Jones Township in 1850 they are seen as: Francis Bonnet 49 GER Barbara 38 GER Barbara 16 GER Mary 13 GER Catherine 7 NY John 5 PA Tekla (F) 2 PA I am particularly interested in Catherine. After looking more carefully at some old family photographs, I noticed that one particular photograph of my 3rd great grandfather, Scott MACDONALD, and was taken in 1865 by St. Mary's photographer W.R. Finch. This belonged in an album which featured many other St. Mary's photographs. Scott married a woman named Catherine who was born in NY with both parents from Germany. Judging from some scrawl at the bottom of a photograph, I had thought her surname to be BONERT but have found nothing concrete. I have no other information on her family. They had a daughter named Maud who was born somewhere in PA abt. 1860. While I am probably grasping at straws, seeing as I have had so little luck exploring this particular brick wall, it can't hurt to check. Any help to probably disprove my very shaky theory would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Angela