--- The Daily Press, Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2001 --- Obits: Marie A. HERBSTRITT, 94 of St. Marys died Monday, Nov. 26, 2001 in St. Marys. Born July 13, 1907 in St. Marys, daughter of Frank X. & Theresa GEITNER SCHWABENBAUER. Married Leo L. Herbstritt in 1929, he preceded her in death in 1993. Two sons and a daughter. Burial in St. Marys Cath. Cem. Betty Lou HUGHES, 68 of DuBois died Sunday, Nov. 25, 2001 at her residence. Born Sept. 14, 1933 in DuBois, daughter of Leonard J. & Rose A. FOTTA PIERCE. Married Robert D. Hughes on Mar. 14, 1969, he survives. One daughter and a son. Burial in Lakelawn Memorial Park in DuBois. Donald F. HANES, 70 of St. Marys died Monday, Nov. 26 in St. Marys. Complete obit later. Births: Son to Heather & Daniel ARMANINI of Ridgway on Nov. 26. Notes: ECCHS class of 1964 will hold luncheon on Friday at 11:30 at Crispy Chicken. ECCHS class of 1951 celebrated their 50th recently at the ECCHS. Picture and names shown. --- END --- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Monday, Nov. 26, 2001 --- Obits: Rose C. KLEIN, 90 of St. Marys died Friday, Nov. 23 in St. Marys. Born July 10, 1911 in St. Marys, daughter of Fred & Mary HOFFMAN DETSCH. Married Emeron W. Klein on April 12, 1931 at the St. Marys Church, he preceded her in death on Dec. 27, 1964. Five daughters and five sons. Burial in St. Marys Cath. Cem. Hazel CALIARI, 932 of Penfield died Saturday, Nov. 24 at her residence. Born Dec. 2, 1907 in Brandy Camp, PA, daughter of Dominico & Josephine CUMMERLOTI BART. Married Armondo STAGI, who preceded her in death. Married Irven Carl Caliari who also preceded her in death. Three daughters and three sons. Burial in St. Joseph Cem, in Force. Sgt. Daniel F. BROSKY, 37 of Seward, PA died Thursday, Nov. 22 in Brockway. Born Feb. 24, 1964 in St. Marys, son of George T. & Yvonne CODER BROSKY of Brockway. Two daughters. Burial in St. Tobias Cem., Brockway. Births: Daughter to Pamela & John DOUGLAS of Johnsonburg on Nov. 24. Notes: Student of the Month for SMAHS is John PETRILLA, son of Rocky & Beth Petrilla. Student of the Month for ECCHS is Lori HANES, daughter of Tom & Marlene Hanes. Student of the Month for Cooperative Education is Josh SMITH. Service News: Cadet Adam Michael BOUSE, son of Jerrold & Cheryl BOUSE of St. Marys completed Cadet Basic Training at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. --- END -- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Saturday, Nov. 24, 2001 --- Obits: None Births: Daughter to Joseph & Tammy NEUBERT of St. Marys on Nov. 19. Daughter to Michael & Holly YASUREK of Kane on Nov. 23. Engaged: Jamie L. KAVENEY to Henry J. ECKERT. Jamie is daughter of Mr. & Mrs. James Kaveney of St. Marys. Henry is son of Donald & Virginia Eckert of St. Marys. Wedd: Michelle "Shelly" THORWART married Joseph MANNINO at the Helen E. Eisenhower Chapel in University Park, PA recently. Bride is daughter of Lois & Daniel Thorwart of St. Marys. Groom is son of Ginger Frank of Bellfonte & Samuel Mannino of Furnace, PA. Notes: SMHS class of '43 luncheon tonight, Nov. 27 at the St. Marys Country Club. Call Gloria at 781-1912. CHS class of 1947 will hold luncheon tonight, Nov. 27 at the Village Peddler. --- END --- Dave B.

You know I would never post a virus warning to my mailing list's unless I thought it was important. I hope you all remember around the middle of last year or so when the Badtrans32 virus was making it's rounds? Well, it's back as a different strain this time. Due to the nature and the way it was spread, this particular virus hit the Rootsweb mailing list pretty hard, so I am passing information on to my lists that was sent to me in the hope that it can be prevented from spreading. I have personally received this virus at least four times so far over the holiday, and I can tell you that your best defense is NOT TO OPEN ANY ATTACHMENTS, even from people you know unless you can verify that they sent you an attachment. This virus is not spread THROUGH Rootsweb's mailing lists, but attaches itself to unread mail in an infected computer's inbox, and sends itself back out. Thus, some of the messages MAY have subject lines that are pertinent to the Rootsweb mailing list that you may be subscribed to. It also alters the person's e-mail address by adding a slash so that it bounces back to you and you can't notify the person that they are sending a virus. Removing the slash from the e-mail addy fixes the address so that it no longer bounces. Info as follows: Dear All: The message below is from Sue on the TSL list and she states the situation quite clearly. The difficulty is that the attachment may not show or there is a false extension. It appears to have xxx.doc or xx.txt but the real extension ( .scr.or .exe) is 59 spaces to the right. So even if you get a email from a trusted source ( me or others) and there is no message etc, be very careful. It will also show about 29 or 30k as the size of the message. So that is a dead giveaway in that there is 30 k of message and it doesn't show up anyway . Many of you will remember the "badtrans" virus last August. People seemed to wise-up about that one, but now there is another _strain_ of the badtrans virus called W32.Badtrans.B@mm and I have received quite a few of them ... some from current list members. I am Bcc'ing those list members whose computers are infected, so if you receive a copy of this message without the [TSL] prepend, please quickly go to the link below to learn how to clean the virus out of your computer. You will NEVER receive a virus through the list, but if listmembers get infected, their computer may send you the virus, which _may_ have a list subject line. My Norton "anti-virus" program is doing a very good job of detecting, but Norton doesn't seem to have a complete write-up about this one. They do mention the file extensions etc., but they don't mention how the email will appear or whether there is a message or not. My experience has been that only one has arrived with a subject line from a list post, the others simply have a "Re:" in the subject line. I have seen no message (but maybe Norton is deleting that too) Most of those I have received have come from Australian or New Zealand email addresses, so they must have gotten it first. Also, I don't know whether my Norton is doing this (the write-up doesn't say) but the email addresses of the sending computers is altered by having an underline character preceeding the address, such as <_emailaddress@optusnet.com.au> PLEASE remember to make sure you have up-to-date Anti Virus software, AND remember to update the Virus definitions regularly. There are a lot of good Anti Virus programs out there (I use Norton) but they aren't any good unless you update them. You can read about this virus and how to remove it from your system on the Norton Symantec site ... http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.badtrans.b@mm.html

--- The Daily Press, Friday, Nov. 23, 2001 --- Obits: Mary E. FEILE, 79 of St. Marys died Thursday, Nov. 22 in St. Marys. Born Aug. 26, 1922 in St. Marys, daughter of George & Josephine KAISER FELDBAUER. Married Ralph "Shorty" Feile on Aug. 28, 1943 in the St. Marys Church. Burial in St. Marys Cath. Cem. Two sons. Ottaviano DiNARDO, 86 of Johsonburg died Thurs., Nov. 22 in St. Marys. Born June 20, 1915 in Johnsonburg, son of Ralph & Serafina MARRONE DiNARDO. Burial in Holy Rosary Cem. Not married. Births: None in St. Marys. Former residents of St. Marys, Todd & Loretta CAMBELL of Harrisburg are proud parents of a boy, Gage Michael born Nov. 10. Grandparents are Jim & Joyce Cambell of St. Marys. Engaged: Amy Cathlene ALLEGRETTO to William C. PRICE of Pittsburgh. Amy is daughter of Wayne & Janet Allegretto of St. Marys. William is son of John & Mary Lou Price of Gibsonia, PA. August 2003 wedding is planned at Sacred Heart Ch. in St. Marys. Notes from Fox Township: Paul & Peggy SWANSON will celebrate their 30th wedding anniversary on Nov. 27. Following residents will celebrate a birthday this week. Robert & Dan STEUDLER DeAnna YOST Nathan McFADDEN Jill GARNER Joe GRADIZZI --- END --- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Wednesday, Nov. 21, 2001 --- Obits: None Births: Daughter to Laura & Dan PISTNER of Kersey on Nov. 20. Daughter, Claire Monet was born Nov. 16 to Joseph & Emily NEUBERT BEIMEL. Grandparents are Andy & Ann Neubert of St. Marys, Ron & Marge Beimel of Kersey. Wedd: Cathy WOLFE married Andy DORNISCH at the St. Marys Ch., St. Marys recently. Bride is daughter of Richard & Janet Wolfe of St. Marys. Groom is son of THomas & Susan Dornisch of St. Marys. Notes: SMHS class of '43 will have lunch at the St. Marys Country Club on Tuesday, Nov. 27 at 12:30 pm. Call Gloria @ 781-1912 for reservations. Caledonia Christmas Party will be held on Saturday, Dec. 8 at the Weedville American Legion. Make reservations by Nov. 24 @ 781-6202. Ruth SCOLARI is a patient at Shadyside Hosp. in Pittsburgh. --- END --- Hope everyone is having a happy Thanksgiving. Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2001 --- Obits: Francis E. "Skip: SCHREMP, 52 of Sheffield, OH died Sunday, Nov. 4, 2001 in Cleveland Clinic. Born in Lorrain, OH. Married Helen PFEUFER, she survives. Burial in Sheffield, OH. Two sons and two daughters. Julia A. GREICH, 86 of Ridgway died Sunday, Nov. 18, 2001 in St. Marys. Born June 8, 1915 in Ridgway, daughter of Nicholas & Antinina JOVENETTI GALANTE. Married Andrew Greich, he preceded her in death on Oct. 31, 1977. Burial in St. Leo's Cem., Ridgway. Two daughters and a son. Births: Son to Lisa SERAFINI and Daniel BOLAND of St. Marys on Nov. 18. Notes: From RIDGWAY RECORD, Thursday, Nov. 15, 2001: Obits: Robert BLACKHALL, 85 formerly of Lorain, OH, died Friday, Nov. 9 at Columbus, OH. Born July 13, 1916 in Ridgway, son of John A. & Bessie ROSS BLACKHALL. Three daughters and two sons. Wedd: Deanna S. MARCHE married Brian PONTIOUS in Mount Jewitt, PA on June 9, 2001. Bride is daughter of Gary & Susan HAYNES of Ridgway. Groom is son of Earl & Gail POUNTIUS of Ridgway. --- END --- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Monday, Nov. 19, 2001 --- Obits: Julie A. GREICH, 86 of Ridgway died Sunday, Nov.18 in St. Marys. Complete obit later. Births: Son to Susan & Steve GEER of Mount Jewitt on Sunday, Nov. 18. Son to Lisa & Robert SERAFINI of St. Marys on Sunday, Nov. 18. Son to Melimda & Scott LEWIS of Johnsonburg on Sunday, Nov. 18. Notes: Nothing for genealogy. It's snowing here again. This is about the forth time so far this season. We have about an inch or so on the ground with more on the way. --- END --- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Saturday, Nov. 17, 2001 --- Obits: Elizabeth A. "Betsy" McCLAIN, 59 of Ridgway died Thur., Nov. 15 at her residence. Born Aug. 4, 1942 the daughter of Andrew & Margaret SALAMON SANTANIELLO. Married Charles "Chuck" McClain on Oct. 25, 1958, he survives. Burial in St. Leo's Cem. in Ridgway. Two daughters and three sons. Florence M. PONTZER, 77 of Ridgway died Friday, Nov. 16 at her home. Born Sept. 24, 1924 in Dagus Mines, daughter of Stephen C. & Veronica MAGISTRELLI GORNATI. Married Norbert James Pontzer in 1951 in the St. Boniface Church in Kersey. Burial in St. Boniface Cem. in Kersey. Two daughters and two sons. Births: None Engaged: Amy FARABAUGH is engaged to Eric John MUELLER. Amy is daughter of Peg and the late John Farabaugh of St. Marys. Eric is son of George & Barb Mueller of Illinois. August 10, 2002 wedding is planned. Notes: The Johnsonburg Public Library will open it's Dollhouse this year at the start of the holiday season. Consisting of dozens of collectable dolls from all local collections, the Dollhouse is a must-see and a favorite holiday tradition for local residence. SM&BTHS newsletter: The St. Marys and Benzinger Township Historical Society is proud to present it's Distinguished Citizen of the Year Award to Arnold G. WOLFE. There is a one page history and picture of Arnold on the front of their newsletter. There was also a short page on the move to their new building and another in memory of Elizabeth "Sis" Simons. They are taking dinner reservations and the annual dues at this time as well. Dinner is $13 and the dues are determined by how you wish to contribute. Students are $1, single is $6, Family is $10. A Patron is $25 and your name is listed in the newsletter as are the Benefactor ($50) and for a Corporation for $100. Open at their new office at 99 Erie Ave. Tuesday 10 am to 4 pm. Thursday 1-4 pm and 6-8 pm. phone 834-6525. Open house at a later date. --- END --- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Friday, Nov. 16, 2001 --- Obits: Margaret Mary CASKEY, 87 of St. Marys died Thursday, Nov. 15 in St. Marys. Born Dec. 5, 1913 in St. Marys, daughter of Frank & Katherine GREENTHANER MINNICK. Married Patrick Caskey who died during WWII. Burial in St. Marys Cem. No children. Earl A. SORENSEN, 81 of Kane deid Thurs. Nov. 15 in the Bradford Hosp. Born Nov. 17, 1919 in Mt. Jewitt, son of Sam & Olga FREY SORENSEN. Married Ida FORNESS on Feb. 21, 1942 in Mt. Jewitt, she survives. Burial in Nebo Cem. (?). One daughter and one son. Elizabeth A. "Betsey" McCLAIN, 59 of Ridgway died Thurs. at her residence. Complete obit tomorrow. Births: None Notes: None WWW: Cindi's List. Over 109,700 links for genealogist. http://www.CyndisList.com/ --- END --- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Thursday, Nov. 15, 2001 --- Obits: Lawrence J. DONIVAN died Friday, Nov. 9 in New Hanover Medical Center. Son of James & Olive TANGNEY DONIVAN. Married Patricia McKNIGHT, formerly of St. Marys, she survives. A son and two daughters. Births: None Wedd: Stacey BRIDGES married Richard MALONE recently at St. Lucy's Ch., New Castle, PA. Bride is daughter of Rudy & Regina Bridges of New Castle. Groom is son of Paul & Mary Malone of St. Marys. They reside in New Castle. Anniv: Mr. & Mrs. William J. ZELT of St. Marys celebrated their 69th wedding anniversary. Wiliam married Roseann Clare LOEFFLER on Nov. 14, 1932 in the St. Marys Church, St. Marys. Eight children; Dorothy (Mrs. Richard HERBSTRITT) of St. Marys. Rose (Mrs. Jack KURTZ) of Pittsburgh. Margaret (Mrs. Robert PETERS) of Johnsonburg. Helen (Mrs. Ed YOUNG) of Carksville, TN. William of Loveland, CO. John of St. Marys. Herbert of Brookville, GA. Jerry of St. Marys. Family tree also includes 28 grandchildren, 24 great grandchildren and 4 great great grandchildren. --- END --- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Wednesday, Nov. 14, 2001 --- Obits: None Births: Son to Bridgett HUFF and Larry SPRINGMAN of St. Marys on Nov. 12. Daughter, Grace Margaret born at Sarah Bush Mem. Hosp., to Mr. & Mrs. Michael INGRAM of Charleston, IL on Nov.1. Maternal grandparents are MaryAnn & Chas KNOER of Pittsburgh. Paternal grandparents are Mike & Peggy Ingram of Weedville. Wedd: Melissa Rose BECK married Joseph James SHARROW recently in the St. Marys Church, St. Marys. Bride is daughter of Floyd R. & Susan Beck of St. Marys. Groom is son of Jim & Betty Sparrow of St. Marys. Engaged: Dawn BREM and Peter ERICKSON. Dawn is daughter of Mr. & Mrs. James Brem of St. Marys. Peter is son of Dolores Erickson of DuBois & Eric Erickson of Falls Creek. An Oct. 12, 2002 wedding is planned. Notes: ECCHS class of '82 reunion meeting at the Kopper Kettle (Johnsonburg) on NOv. 15 at 7 pm. --- END --- Dave B.

--- The Daily Press, Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2001 --- Obits: Donald C. STEBICK, 41 of St. Marys died Sunday, Nov. 11 at Marian Comm. Hosp., Carbondale, PA. Born Nov. 16, 1959 in St. Marys, son of LeRoy & Rose HOFFMAN STEBICK. Burial in St. Marys Cem. Not married. Births: Daughter to Cynthia & Paul SORG of St. Marys on Nov. 12. Daughter to Glenda CHAMBERLIN and Scott MAWN of Kersey on Nov. 11. Wedd: Sherry Lynn HEINDL married John "Jake" FRITZ in Las Vegas, NV recently. Bride is daughter of James & Carol Heindl of St. Marys. Groom is son of John "Jeff" & Mary Fritz of Kersey. ** Was Sherry married to a MEYER before? Notes: CHS class of '60 will meet at 1 pm on Weds., Nov. 14 for lunch at the Green Lite. Call Connie @ 834-6561 or Liz @ 834-2309 for reservations. Six Elk County students form IUP on deans list. Zachary M. CURRIER Kimberly E. ESHBACH Andrew M. GEARHART Matthew A. GOETZ Seth A. FIELD David A. BARBER --- END --- Dave B.

Here is death records from St. Marys Church for Wittman: Anna Wittman Death: 24 Mar 1857 Burial: 26 Mar 1857 Age: 8 Days Parents: Leonard Wittman - Catherine Prechtl Origin: St. Marys Sebastian Wittman Death: 13 Oct 1862 Burial: 15 Oct 1862 Age: 9 Years Parents: Michael Wittman - Walburga Origin: St Marys Barbara Wittman Burial: 30 May 1869 Age: 67 years Vincent Wittman Death: 24 Feb 1874 Burial: 26 Feb 1874 Age: 7 hours Parents: George Wittman - Crescentia Adelhard Charles Wittman Death: 25 May 1876 Burial: 26 Mary 1876 Age: 6 Years 6 Months Parents: Leonard Wittman - Cahterine Precht Frederick Leonard Wittman Death: 13 Feb 1881 Burial: 15 Feb 1881 Age: 6 months Parents: Leonard Wittman - Mary Sophia Fischer Origin: St Marys Catherine Wittman Death: 7 Mar 1881 Burial: 9 Mar 1881 Age: 6 Months Parents: John Wittman - Barbara Neubert Origin: Benzinger Township Rosa Wittman Death: 13 Sep 1883 Burial: 14 SEp 1883 Age: 14 days Parents: GEorge Wittman - Theresia Adelhardt Origin: St. Marys Mathias (Mates) Wittman Death: 3 Feb 1884 Burial: 5 Feb 1884 Age: 66 years Wife - Barbara (nee Zereisser) Origin: Mitzelbach, Bav Michael Wittman Death: 10 Aug 1886 Burial: 12 Aug 1886 Age: 28 years 10 months Parents: Michael Wittman - Mary Heigl Origin: St Marys George Wittman Death: 28 Sep 1888 Burial: 30 Sep 1888 Age: 71 years Origin: Baveria Michael Wittman Burial: 15 Feb 1890 Clara Wittman Death: 21 Sep 1891 Burial: 23 Sep 1891 Age: 82 years Origin: St. Marys Joseph Wittman Death: 27 May 1892 Burial: 31 May 1892 Age: 33 years 11 months Parents: Leonard Wittman - Catherine Precthl Cause: Consumption Origin: St. Marys Catherine Wittman Death: 20 Oct 1892 Burial: 22 Oct 1892 Age: 68 Years Husband: Leonard (nee Prechtel) Origin: Germany Walburga Wittman Death: 8 Dec 1893 Burial: 10 Dec 1893 Husband: Michael (nee Schmidt) Cause: Dropsy Origin: Benzinger Twsp Leonard Wittman Death: 10 May 1894 Burial: 12 May 1894 Age: 73 years Origin: St Marys John Wittman Death: 19 Jan 1898 Burial: 21 Jan 1898 Age: 35 years Father: Leonard Wife: Lizzie (Young) Cause: Bush Accident Origin: Benzinger Twsp Louis Wittman Death: 17 Aug 1898 Burial: 19 Aug 1898 Age: 16years Parents: John Michael Wittman - Margaret Decker Origin: Benzinger Twsp Louis Wittman Death: 17 Aug 1898 Burial: 19 Aug 1898 Age: 15 years 7 months Parents: John Wittman - Margaret Dill Origin: Benzinger Twsp Charles Wittman Death: 11 Feb 1899 Burial: 13 Feb 1899 Age: 11 months Parents: George Wittman - Mary Kugler Origin: St Marys Infant Wittman Death: 22 Apr 1899 Burial: 23 Apr 1899 Age: 1 day Parents: George Wittman - Mary A Kugler Origin: St Marys Mary Elizabeth Wittman Death: 23 Apr 1900 Burial: 24 Apr 1900 Age: 3 Days Parents: George Wittman - Mary Kugler Anna Wittman Death: 29 Dec 1903 Burial: 1 Jan 1904 Age: 13 years Parents: Michael Wittman - Mary Selle Cause: unknown Origin: Benzinger Twsp Louis Wittman Death: 26 Oct 1904 Burial: 28 Oct 1904 Age: 26 years Parents: Leonard Wittman - Anna Mary Fischer Cause: rup blood vessel origin: St Marys Genevieve Barbara Wittman Death: 24 Sep 1910 Burial: 27 Sep 1910 Age: 10 years 5 days Parents: Michael Wittman - Mary Selle Cause: Typhoid Fever Origin: Benzinger Twsp Emelia Wittman Death: 9 Nov 1910 Burial: 12 Nov 1910 Age: 23 years Parents: Michael Wittman - Mary Selle Origin: White Barn John M Wittman Death: 24 Mar 1915 Burial: 27 Mar 1915 Age: 57 years Wife: Margaret (nee Dill) Origin: Benzinger Rd Leonard Wittman Death: 22 Jul 1915 Burial: 25 Jul 1915 Age: 73 years Wife: Mary Herzog (nee Fisher) Origin: S Michael Infant Wittman Death: 12 Aug 1917 Burial: 13 Aug 1917 Age: 1 day Parents: Edward Wittman - Carolina Friedl Origin: Rosely Rd Mary Wittman Death: 3 Jan 1919 Burial: 5 Jan 1919 Age: 2 days Parents: Edward Wittman - Carline Friedl Cause: Premature Birth Origin: St Marys John Wittman Death: 12 Nov 1919 Burial: 17 Nov 1919 Age: 75 years Wife: Barabara (nee Neubert) Cause: Asthma Origin: St Marys Hope this helps

Sherry, I certainly agree with you completely, that is why I depend on more than one piece of documentation to try to connect two members of a family. It is good search in as many places as possible to try to connect links. If you have the same family in four consecutive census reports...with the correct ages or dates of birth...years married and so forth...with the children following along plus a death certificate and maybe a baptism certificate or birth certificate then you can safely connect this family even if you find some variation of the spelling of the last name or as in the census reports...the first name. I think the thing we have to do is try to document our sources as much as possible, but you are right...even with all this we still make mistakes....that is what I like about computers...it is so easy to fix the mistake! Linda Sherry wrote: > > > Although one may very often find out differently, I have learned that it is not > a good idea to assume that a family with a similarly spelled surname, or even > the SAME surname, living in the same area is related. -- Linda Gallentine, Fayette Co., PA Researching: Franklin, Kollar, Fleichman, Kregel (Kreckel), Core, Grattan, Murphy, Barthen, McGinnis, Gallentine

> > As to the spelling of Friendl, or Friendel or Friedl...the same as > Kreckel, Kreckle, Kreakel and Krickel and other various spellings of the > same name: you just have to take all the records and find the common > threads that tie the family together. Well to date I have not found that the Friendl/Friedl family share any connection at all. Of course I may discover something different in the future, but it appears to be a separate and distinct surname despite sounding very much alike. But who knows? Although one may very often find out differently, I have learned that it is not a good idea to assume that a family with a similarly spelled surname, or even the SAME surname, living in the same area is related. I learned this through a very painful and humbling experience from a few years ago. I was hired to do research by a man in Texas on the surname Harvey, specifically an Isaac Harvey, in Fox Twp., Elk Co., PA. I had the church records from the Elkton Presbyterian church, and knew that the Harveys of Kersey attended that church. Isaac Harvey, a member of the Elkton Presbyterian church, was born in 1843, and John Harvey, another prominent member of the church was born in 1838. I, quite naturally, assumed that they were brothers and proceded to the Elk County courthouse under that assumption. I even bet the man I was doing the research for that I would find that they were brothers. They attended the same church, Isaac is buried in the Earleyville Cemetery and John is buried in the Elkton Cemetery-- both cemeteries are associated with the Elkton Presbyterian Church. What would you think? Boy was I wrong. It turns out that John Harvey immigrated from Ireland and Isaac Harvey immigrated from England. Isaac Harvey was the son of a George and Mary Harvey, both from Scotland. Despite having the SAME last name, there was no apparent connection between the two Harvey families living in Kersey at that time. There may have been a familial connection at some point way back in the past, but it was WAY past the time frame that I was working in. I was SO embarrassed to tell the man that he was right-- that there was no connection between the Harvey families despite my confident boasting. My face still gets red when I think about it. :-) As a result, I don't make assumptions like that when I do research. If the connections are there, they will be readily apparent. If they are NOT there, one cannot assume that there is a connection.

Hi Gus, A great big "Thank You" for posting the Death Records and the St. Mary's Church death records for Kreckel, Heiberger and Lechner. It was very gracious of you to take the time to type in that information, especially since you only had one Kreckel connection. It will help me a lot! As to the spelling of Friendl, or Friendel or Friedl...the same as Kreckel, Kreckle, Kreakel and Krickel and other various spellings of the same name: you just have to take all the records and find the common threads that tie the family together. When my g. grandparents got married the marriage license has Wilhelm Kregel but when William and Mary Core Kreckel had my grandmother, her baptismal certificate has the surname spelled as Kreckle, as does her certificate of nursing...but she herself spelled the last name as Kreckel...her brother spelled it as Krackel and that was just in my direct line. We can not get hung up on the spelling of names but we must try to make correct connections. To me it is just one great big puzzle, waiting for someone to put it together and I notice the more information I gather the more questions I have! I guess that is what make genealogy so enjoyable....you never know what may be right around the corner. As to mistakes in Death records...I have found from collection the Death Records from County Courthouses and PA Vital Records alike that the info is only as good as the person giving the information. ie...I have death records where the person giving the information, when asked the father's name will give their father's name instead of the deceased's father's name....my grandfather when asked for the spouse's name gave his mother's name even though she had died when he was 7 years old and his father had remarried and had seven more children. So we just try to figure out the right answers and then go on from there. Thanks again, Gus for your kind contribution to the list. Linda -- Linda Gallentine, Fayette Co., PA Researching: Franklin, Kollar, Fleichman, Kregel (Kreckel), Core, Grattan, Murphy, Barthen, McGinnis, Gallentine

Thank you for offering the death records. I am searching for the Wittman family. Searching: BRUNNER, WEIS, and many more from Saint Marys. Sincerely yours Ceil

Joseph Heiberger and Susan Friendl were my great grandparents. Their daughter, Martha, was my grandmother-- married first to Vincent Rohrbach and second to Kenneth Bish. Susan's name is not Friedl as written below, though. It's actually FRIENDL or sometimes FRIENDEL, and I have never been able to find much info on the surname. Susan's parent's were John Friendl and Julia Walker. Julia Walker's (or Wacker's) father John had the distinction of being named as the first man to fell a tree in the new colony of St. Marys. It's kind of funny, but I have never really pursued the few St. Marys lines that I have. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gus4970@aol.com> To: <PAELK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: [PAELK] Heiberger Death Records > Following are the death records of the Heiberger family from the St. Marys > Church > > Mary Theresia Heiberger > Death: 17 Apr 1848 > Burial: 18 Apr 1848 > Age: 1 Day > Origin: St. Marys > > Joseph Heiberger > Death: 14 Oct 1862 > Burial: 15 Oct 1862 > Age: 1.6 years > Parents: Joseph Heiberger > > James Leonard Heiberger > Death: 15 Nov 1864 > Parents: Joseph and Catherine Heiberger > > Elizabeth Heiberger > Burial: 8 Feb 1870 > Age: 2 years 3 months > Parents: Joseph Heiberger - Elizabeth Regal Kreckel > > George Edward Heiberger > Burial: 30 Aug 1870 > Age: 10 days > > Benedict Heiberger > Death: 17 Dec 1879 > Burial: 19 Dec 1879 > Age: 6 yrs > Parents: Joseph Heiberger - Catherine Kreckle > > Benedict Heiberger > Death: 27 Jul 1883 > Burial: 28 Jul 1883 > Age: 3 years > Cause: Diptheria > Origin: St. Marys > > John Heiberger > Death: 7 feb 1884 > Burial: 9 Feb 1884 > Age: 8 years 7 months > Parents: John Heiberger - Catherine Kreckle > Origin: St Marys > > Magdalen Heiberger > Death: 4 Oct 1884 > Burial: 5 Oct 1884 > Age: 60 years > Origin: Wuertemberg > > Wendelin John Heiberger > Death: 6 Oct 1886 > Burial: 8 Oct 1886 > Age: 2 years > Parents: Mother Eva Heiberger > Origin: St. Marys > > Laura Heiberger > Death: 9 mar 1894 > Burial: 12 Mary 1894 > Age: 1 Year 6 days > Parents: Joseph Heiberger - Susan Freidl > > Catherine Heiberger > Death: 10 Jul 1897 > Burial: 12 Jul 1897 > Age: 59 Years > Husband: Joseph (nee Kreckel) > Cause: Apoplexy > Origin: Benzinger Twsp > > Joseph Heiberger > Death: 28 Apr 1908 > Burial: 30 Apr 1908 > Age: 85 years > Wife: Catherine Kreckle > > Maurus Frank Heiberger > Death: 4 may 1909 > Burial: 6 May 1909 > Age: 2 mos > Parents: William Heiberger - Margaret Daniel > Cause: Pneumonia > Origin: Chestnut St > > Barbara Evelyn Heiberger > Death: 10 Feb 1915 > Burial: 13 Feb 1915 > Age: 7 years 4 months > Parents: Jacob Heiberger -Elizabeth Eberly > Source: Spruce St > > Infant Heiberger > Death: 13 Dec 1918 > Burail: 14 Dec 1918 > Age: 11 hours > Parents: William Heiberger - Margaret Daniel > CAuse: Premature > Origin: St Marys > > Catherine Heiberger > Death: 22 Sept 1920 > Burial: 25 Sep 1920 > Age: 18 years > Cause: Heart Failure > Origin: St. Marys > > This is exactly as extracted by the St. Marys Historical Society. There are > some questionable entries. > > Gus > > > ==== PAELK Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Elk Co., PA mailing list, send an e-mail to paelk-l-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the e-mail. (minus the quotation marks!) > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Following are the death records of the Heiberger family from the St. Marys Church Mary Theresia Heiberger Death: 17 Apr 1848 Burial: 18 Apr 1848 Age: 1 Day Origin: St. Marys Joseph Heiberger Death: 14 Oct 1862 Burial: 15 Oct 1862 Age: 1.6 years Parents: Joseph Heiberger James Leonard Heiberger Death: 15 Nov 1864 Parents: Joseph and Catherine Heiberger Elizabeth Heiberger Burial: 8 Feb 1870 Age: 2 years 3 months Parents: Joseph Heiberger - Elizabeth Regal Kreckel George Edward Heiberger Burial: 30 Aug 1870 Age: 10 days Benedict Heiberger Death: 17 Dec 1879 Burial: 19 Dec 1879 Age: 6 yrs Parents: Joseph Heiberger - Catherine Kreckle Benedict Heiberger Death: 27 Jul 1883 Burial: 28 Jul 1883 Age: 3 years Cause: Diptheria Origin: St. Marys John Heiberger Death: 7 feb 1884 Burial: 9 Feb 1884 Age: 8 years 7 months Parents: John Heiberger - Catherine Kreckle Origin: St Marys Magdalen Heiberger Death: 4 Oct 1884 Burial: 5 Oct 1884 Age: 60 years Origin: Wuertemberg Wendelin John Heiberger Death: 6 Oct 1886 Burial: 8 Oct 1886 Age: 2 years Parents: Mother Eva Heiberger Origin: St. Marys Laura Heiberger Death: 9 mar 1894 Burial: 12 Mary 1894 Age: 1 Year 6 days Parents: Joseph Heiberger - Susan Freidl Catherine Heiberger Death: 10 Jul 1897 Burial: 12 Jul 1897 Age: 59 Years Husband: Joseph (nee Kreckel) Cause: Apoplexy Origin: Benzinger Twsp Joseph Heiberger Death: 28 Apr 1908 Burial: 30 Apr 1908 Age: 85 years Wife: Catherine Kreckle Maurus Frank Heiberger Death: 4 may 1909 Burial: 6 May 1909 Age: 2 mos Parents: William Heiberger - Margaret Daniel Cause: Pneumonia Origin: Chestnut St Barbara Evelyn Heiberger Death: 10 Feb 1915 Burial: 13 Feb 1915 Age: 7 years 4 months Parents: Jacob Heiberger -Elizabeth Eberly Source: Spruce St Infant Heiberger Death: 13 Dec 1918 Burail: 14 Dec 1918 Age: 11 hours Parents: William Heiberger - Margaret Daniel CAuse: Premature Origin: St Marys Catherine Heiberger Death: 22 Sept 1920 Burial: 25 Sep 1920 Age: 18 years Cause: Heart Failure Origin: St. Marys This is exactly as extracted by the St. Marys Historical Society. There are some questionable entries. Gus