Mary Jane.. I am going to play diplomat here <grin>. The term "Pennsylvania Dutch" as used most often on this list refers to those descended from the ..German.. imigrants of colonial Pennsylvania. But you are also correct. There were (are) "Netherland" Dutch in Pennsylvania. They could easily be called "Pennsylvania Dutch" by someone, since they are of Dutch ancestry and live in Pennsylvania. But most (including themselves) DO consider the term "Pennsylvania Dutch" as referring to those of Germanic (commonly none - Netherlands Rhineland) Ancestry and not Netherlands ancestry.. This e mail list is meant primarily for research directed at this form of "PA-Dutch". To add to the confusion, most of these people traveled down the Rhine to the Netherlands to get passage on the ship to America. Sometimes they lived for months and even years in the Netherlands trying to get passage, but hey did not originate there. Phil .......................... Phil (pknox@earthlink.net) For some family genealogy, great links, & just plain fun... visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~pknox/