-----Original Message----- From: REDSKI9136@aol.com <REDSKI9136@aol.com> To: PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com <PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [PaDgo] NEWCOMER SURNAME Yes, Mary Jane, I am afraid you are wrong. I have a number of Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors, and none of them came from Holland. Mine were Dunkers (Brethren) although they probably came here as something else, perhaps Amish of Mennonites, but almost surely Anabaptists of some kind. Most of those we so identify came into Pennsylvania in the 1700's, although the first group founded Germantown in the late 1600's. The heavy immigration came into the eastern counties of PA after 1710 from the Palitinate (Rhine Pfalz). They were called "dutch" because they spoke Deutsch (German). Germany is of course, still called Deutschland by the Germans. My father and his best friend always called one another "Dutch", referring to their German ancestry, even though my father was half Scotch/Scotch Irish. The Holland Dutch first came here earlier, settling as we all know from our American history, New Amsterdam. Indeed, they were not then, and never were, to my knowlkedge called "Pennsylvania Dutch--just Dutch, or Hollanders. I went down and checked my Columbia Viking Desk Encyclopedia to make sure I was not mistaken about what exactly PA Dutch means, and confirmed the above description. The encyc. has a more extended discussion. Mary Alice >In a message dated 5/25/00 8:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >o2bab@bedford.net writes: > ><< Can't resist replying! PADutch are those Germans who came early into PA >and > spoke German (Deusch). My Berger ancestors came in 1744 and my grandmother, > b 1870 still spoke German, or rather PA Dutch, which is a form of German > understood somewhat in Germany (as we somewhat understand those from Alabama > and Boston!) >> > >Hi Cathy, I have been researching the Dutch for a long time. My research >says that the Dutch are from the Netherlands. Most did have some type of >German dialect, but they did not speak German per say. The Dutch also did not >come to PA., as PA-DUTCH. They were simply Dutch. The Pa. was added on after >they came to Pennslyvania. If you feel I am wrong, please correct me. > > Mary Jane > > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >