In a message dated 5/25/00 1:59:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, REDSKI9136@aol.com writes: << spoke German (Deusch). My Berger ancestors came in 1744 and my grandmother, b 1870 still spoke German, or rather PA Dutch, which is a form of German understood somewhat in Germany >> Hi again, What about the original Dutch, who came in the 1600's? Almost 2 centeries before your grandmother got here. There was no Germany then. Thank You, Mary Jane PS, Could you please define the term, (somewhat understood )