This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3dB.2ACI/2457.3363.3439.6.1 Message Board Post: I did not respond because I did not get the message. I got this message by accident as I was surfing. I placed the query as a result of identifying my gggggrandfather using the 17th and 18th century naming patterns by assuming the first male child is named after his fathers grandfather. That is my gggrandfather Barnet/Bernard Fry/Frey named his 1st male child Charles. Typically this would mean Barnet's fathers name was Charles. However, I've identified a John Fry as the likely father of Barnet and John is what Barnet named his 3rd son so I assumed Barnet took a little license with the naming pattern. Barnet's 2nd son was James, the 4th was Jacob, and the 5th was Henry Peter. I have described this fully at <http://home.socal.rr.com/bigmo> Thanks for the response Charles. Ed Frye