I agree!!!! It took me many years to finally find where my John STIEHL/STEELE lived in Berks County, He lived in Fleetwood! I only found a clue from a Fleetwood historical book. My brother was lucky and found a picture of him in the Reading paper. My John (Johannes) Shamp STIEHL/STEELE was bn 26 Jan 1827 PA son of Abraham STIEHL/STEELE and Eva SHAMP both were born in PA. (Abraham was bn between 1780-1790) John died 14 Dec 1915 Fleetwood, Berks County, PA. He married 9 Aug 1848 Ruscombmanor Twp, Berks Co, PA to Sarah Keller NOLL. She was bn 5 Apr 1824 Ruscombmanor Twp and died 22 Sep 1912 Fleetwood. She is the daughter of Heinrich Keller NOLL (3 May 1798 Alsace Twp, Berks Co, PA-25 Nov 1883 Ruscombmanor Twp) and Maria Catharina KELLER (5 Jun 1803 Ruscombmanor Twp-28 Feb 1885 Ruscombmanor Twp) I have the following children for them: 1. Mary STIEHL bn abt 1848 died after 1915 md Joseph PETERS. 2. Eva Noll STIEHL/STEELE (my line) md Johannes Snyder NOLL (bn 24 Aug 1849 Muhlenberg Twp, Berks Co, PA d. 6 May 1902 Muhlenberg Twp). I have 7 children for them. 3. Catharine STEELE bn abt 1852. 4. Elisabeth STEELE bn abt 1856. 5. Emma N. STIEHL bn 25 Jan 1858 d 16 Dec 1948 md Morris M. ROTHERMEL. 6. Maggie STIEHL bn abt 1861 PA died after 1915 md Daniel BOWERS. 7. Henry N. STIEHL bn abt 1863 PA died after 1915. 8. Rebecca STIEHL bn abt 1866 PA d after 1915 md John ROTHERMEL. I only have more info on my line. Good luck! crystal ----- Original Message ----- From: jschaefer347@adelphia.net<mailto:jschaefer347@adelphia.net> To: STEELE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:STEELE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Pennsylvania Steele's This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Steel(e), Martin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YdJBAIB/2543.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YdJBAIB/2543.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1> Message Board Post: Thanks. John Steels are plentiful and hard to trace. Margie ______________________________