Get ready, folks?!!! I wasn't even looking for New Borns anymore. I decided to help the person who is researching Herb's, since obviously either the list archives are full of Herb's, or the search engine has "Herb" thoroughly confused with "New Born". Don't quite have the answer to that, because the following turned up, under "Herb". CNIDR Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 195) ============================================================ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:24:05 -0400 From: herb-bett <herb-bett@mci2000.com> To: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <000101bdc648$655ed2a0$e64937a6@oemcomputer> Subject: Matthias Bauman Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MATTHIAS BAUMAN, father-in-law of Samuel HOCH, was born about 1680 in Lambsheim near Frankenthal in the Palatinate of Germany. About 1709-1710 BAUMAN came to America with his wife, Catherine, and only child, Sarah. They settled first in the Schoharie region along the Hudson. By 1714 they reached Oley, PA. One of the first of the Pietist sects to appear in the interior of PA was the Newborns, a group which was confined almost entirely to the Oley Valley, and MATTHIAS BAUMAN was their leader. He was the first major religious separatist. In 1723, in Oley, he prepared a tract setting forth his views; it was entitled (in German) "A Call from God to the Unregenerate World"......... This summary was prepared from material contributed by John Joseph STOUDT, a great-grandson of SAMUEL HOCH and Sarah Bauman. Betty Coller herb-bett@mci2000.com ______________________________ Now, the Hoch's were Moravians. From before they came here. Rudolph, who I nicknamed Hoch guy, and his two sons, Samuel and Johannes. They helped start the Moravian Church in Oley. Samuel was the one who donated the land for it, and he also had some kind of famous Indian spirit tree on his property. I hardly get the idea they weren't SINCERE Moravians. Plain Dutch, and all of that. So Samuel Hoch, son of Hoch guy, married the daughter of the leader of the New Born sect. I'd say this sheds new light on the New Born sect, doesn't make sense Hoch guy had a temperament compatible with being Moravian, and the New Born sect was frivolous. Anyhow, was Lambscheim anywhere near Geisselhardt? If not, I'd say the Weidners can't have been new born. Can't wait to find out where my Burkharts and Wagners fit in this clan... What does it say in Oley Valley Heritage, anyhow, besides that everyone in the valley was New Born? Anything? (I did put in an interlibrary loan request last weekend for both those Oley books, my library can't get three quarters of the books I request, doesn't matter what it is.) ...Pietist? The Moravians were Pietist, too, right? Ve begin to see ze thread zese two people (Hoch guy and Bauman) could possibly have had in common. The only mood state Moravians and New Borns would have in common, from what I currently understand of each of them, is mania. And people who carry manic depression often marry each other. My own family history is one long case study of that. It's particularly startling in my mother's lines. Both of my mothers' parents' mothers had manic depression and died insane - and it just branches off backwards from there. If these are really my ancestors. I still pretty much only know that my Wagners and Burkharts and Nuss's (that's German for nut) were genealogically meandering around them somehow. If anyone has any new light to shed on who and what the New Borns were, I'd really appreciate knowing it. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/