Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5019 Surname: Mitzel ------------------------- I wonder if this is the same Johannes which I noted down from the Hartman family dbase - this lists a Michael Mitzel snr, born about 1745 in germany with spouse Susana also born Germany about 1746 - Johannes is listed as his eldest son. try link http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/familyhart Sarah