As I expected, ze maps yield ze clues. Elias WAgner lived in Exeter in 1750 map. He had a large piece of land in the far wouthwearn area of Exeter Zone in 1750. I guess that wasn't Exeter township yet. "This is near the border of what became Cumru, Alsace and Exeter Townships". His neighbors are Heinrich Werner, ISaac Levan, James Lewis of Cumru twp, Daniel Messerschmidt (Messersmith), Johannes Lebo, and Johannes Bishop. Most of those are very strong Keim and Schneider clan names, and some specifically appeared rather closely related to Henry and Elizabeth Wagner. I will now have to see where Johannes Wagner of Cumru got his land from. Warner is a name somehow associated with Johannes' family though I do not yet know how. Anyhow, this Wagner family would have been most likely to marry people who lived nearby. His estate? ha, ha, ha, ha. Back to Berks County Register of Wills. He died in 1755, which is why he isn't on the 1775 map, and administration granted to his widow Margaret. I"ll have to get the records. Can anyone possibly find for me any children listed born to Elias and Margaret Wagner? And a marriage of Elias to Margaret Wagner? My source made it sound like NO Wagner lived in Exeter in 1775. Yet lots of Wagners did live there only slightly later - a George Wagner, whose wife was Susanna, in 1805, and widow Catherine Waggoner in 1815, whose children did not include Henry. Though for some reawson Isaac Levan adn William Brown, both Keim/Schneider clan names, were witnesses. Also, Frederick Guthard of Exeter, who died in 1791, claimed to have two daughters who married Wagners; Catharina, widow of Isaac WAgner, deceased, and Magdalena, wife of Elias Wagner, still living and clearly not the one who died in 1755, and almost certainly related to the Elias who died in 1755. The only other reference I found to an Elias WAgner is that there was an Elias Wagner son of Johan Adam WAgner of Ruscrombmanor; he was left the land where his father was currently living - I guess in Ruscombmanor. One witness to the will was Jacob Schneider. That was 1773. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/