One more try. Did the description of the property on the deed trasfer after Casper's death list any neighbors? Next, have you tried tax records. If somehow we could identify the land than the suggestion of the warrant map is possible. Years ago Paul Milliken, also a Berger descendant of Johan Heinrich, sent me a warrant type map showing me where Christian Berger's land was. I don't think it has Freeman (any spelling) on it and have no idea where he got it. By tracing neighbors listed on the original Casper's warrant we might also be able to establish their land through deeds and when a deed was transferred there might be mention of neighbors. Hard but possible! Is there a book published on abstracts of land records for Berks? That would show neighbors. If you ever break through on these Freemans think how high you will jump! And how far your shout will be heard! Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: James Freeman <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > > Cathy, > > You are familiar with the ancestors I am researching. The land in question > belonged to Henrich Freyman, f/o Casper Freeman. The description of the > property on the deed transfer after Casper's death is practically useless. > It uses trees that were growing at the time (abt 1828) as markers for the > property lines. Were they the same trees that may have been used to mark the > property lines in 1774 when Henrich penned his will or when Henrich became > the owner? The property lines were not described in his will. > > The Land Warrants I found were granted to "Casper Feeman" in 1734, my guess > as the likely father of Henrich who named his only son Casper. The 1734 > Warrant was voided in 1746, I believe, because Casper Feeman did not comply > with the terms of the Warrant. A new Warrant for the same property was > issued the same day to a Valentine Feeman, who later acquired other property > by Warrant and the name was spelled Freeman for those. The property was > probably never Deeded to the original Casper, but to Valentine. No Wills or > Estates are on file for either of these men in Berks or Lancaster Counties. > > Thanks for your suggestions. Somewhere there MUST be a record that will make > a connection. Just need some clues on where to dig. Thanks. > > Jim Freeman > > > > > Jim, it is still not required to record a deed in PA. When we bought here > in 1982 I did a title search and found one that wasn't recorded back in > 1913. However, if the supposedly grandfather did have a deed did you check > to see if it was on the same land? his deed description and the first one > you found of your ancestor should jive. Or work through the tax records to > see who paid taxes on the land after first owner died. Or if there were no > wills for those first two you found, then go to orphans' court as there > would have to have been an inventory, etc. and distribution if land was > involved, whether or not actual orphans were involved. Did you also look > for Letter of Administration? I assume you did that. Check orphans' court > carefully because sometimes the accounts are in the name of the person > acting as executor and not in children's names. Also I have a will > mentioned in a will about 30 years after the ancestor died, but the will of > first ancestor is lost. Also I had to write three times to Delaware Co > courthouse to get a will which they told me two times wasn't there when I > knew it was. > > Good luck. Happy New Year. > > Cathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Freeman <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:21 PM > Subject: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > > > > In a nutshell, this is my problem: An ancestor of mine inherited land from > his father abt 1774-5 and no deed transfer was filed in Berks County. After > the son died in 1828, the Estate sold the property and a Deed transfer WAS > filed which explained the earlier transfer from father to son according to > the terms of the fathers Will. No record exists in Berks for where the > father got the land. It was probably transfered BEFORE Berks County was > formed in 1752. I checked with the Lancaster Co. Deeds Office & found no > record there. The land would have been part of Lancaster before 1752. I > checked at the State Archives to see if my ancestor received a Land Warrant > from the state. No luck there for the earliest ancestor I have documented, > but found two others with similar surnames who got land in "Tulpehocken" & > "Heidelberg" as early as 1734. One of them has the same first name as the > son of my earliest known ancestor. Could be the grandfather. > > > > I need to find some documentation of this early Deed transfer to hopefully > make the family connection. I was told at the Lancaster Deed Office that it > may not exist because it was not required to record it back then or it may > have been recorded in Philadelphia. My question is where in Philadelphia > would records of early deed transfers be found? > > > > Jim Freeman > > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > > If you have questions about this list contact the admin at: > > Joan Young, [email protected] or Don Hartman, [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > If you have questions about this list contact the admin at: > Joan Young, [email protected] or Don Hartman, [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

"If you ever break through on these Freemans think how high you will jump! And how far your shout will be heard!" Cathy Berger You got that right Cathy!!! Incidently I found a ship list transcription for the "Thistle" which arrived in Philadelphia on 29 August 1730. Actually I downloaded two different transcriptions from this same list. The one listed a "Caspar Fiehman" and the other transcription spelled it "Casper Feman". Could be the "Casper Feeman" who got the Warrant in 1734. He may have brought family along too, but of course his woman & possible kids were not worthy of listing. I am DETERMINED to break through this brick wall! Jim Freeman