In a message dated 3/5/00 2:55:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, ancestralgenie@bigfoot.com writes: > You caught me! :-) Most of my PADUTCH stuff is either ' my ' family specific, > or Mennonite specific and I guess that in this case neither would apply. Thanks, David- If your WEIGELs are the same family as my WEIGELS then they were not Mennonite. However, my WEIGEL married a HOFFHEINS and my HOFFHEINS married a GOCHENOUR. The GOCHENOURs WERE Mennonite. Joan

In a message dated 3/5/00 11:37:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, ancestralgenie@bigfoot.com writes: > The name WEIGEL is non-existent in any of my PA DUTCH reference > material. Hi, David- Hmmmm...I think I would question just how good your PA Dutch reference material is. There is more than one WEIGEL/WEIGLE family of PA Dutch descent. You can see whether your WEIGEL's fit into my WEIGEL family by checking my Gedcom on file with WorldConnect. Start here: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=joan_young Click on W and then select WEIGEL and then click on Johann Martin WEIGEL and in the notes you can read a bit about this WEIGEL family. Also, visit the PADUTCH GenConnect Query Board and using the blue searchbar on the Board type the name WEIGEL in the Keyword Box, select a period of "several eons" and click on the "refresh" button. This will display the 11 messages on the board that include the surname WEIGEL. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch Joan

Hello fellow researchers, I am seeking any information about Newton UMSTEAD born in 1840s or 1850s. He and his wife, Mary Elizabeth TYSON, lived near Pottstown, Chester Co, PA I know they had 9 children: Lottie Saloma, Elsie, Lewis, Lawrence, Harrison, Alvin, Ira, Leonard, Mae. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you Don Shaner Also researching SHANER, CLEVENSTINE, MacFEAT, McFARLAND, GRUBER, UMSTEAD, DWYER

What county are you referring to? Archives at York PA are very active and helpful, they are on the Web and will respond. Ted.

Searching for information about Isaac Lape b 1827 and his sister Mary Lape Geistreit. Mary is supposed to have lived in Columbia after her marriage and had 2 children. This line has been a brick wall for me - any information on their parents or children would be welcome. Bobbie Smith

Looking for the parents of Cora WEINHOLD who m'd. William Fox HOOVER he, b. 1 May, 1877 and d. 1939?? William's parents were Benjamin H. & Emma Fox, HOOVER Also seeking decendants of the above family???? D. Ernest Weinhold deweinhold@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

In doing deed research for my house, I also ran into the Intestate problem. At that time, about 10 years ago, there was a lovely lady who worked in the courthouse archives, where those records were kept. The archives were located in the old courthouse (the two courthouses are joined together), in the basement. However, there was a time when there was discussion about closing those archives to the public, due to lack of use. I never heard if that happened, and haven't needed to go back there for a long time. If you need the courthouse phone number, let me know and I'll go grab the phone book for you. ----- Original Message ----- From: <deweinhold@juno.com> To: <PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [PaDgo] Re: Probate records > Marge, > You may receive other answer,s (and I do hope so). > It has been MANY years ago that I did research at the Lancaster County > Courthouse andat that time if I found no WILL for a person, I would check > the Intestate Records, at that time WERE there. > > This may not help you, if you live MILES away. > > Ernest > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >

Hello family researchers I am seeking any information about John WOODARD born in 1850s or 1860s in either Eaton Co. MI or PA. I know that John's parents are from PA and that they had PA Dutch roots.. I am seeking John parents or any clues I could use to find them. John WOODARD married Elizabeth PIERCE before 1884 either in Eaton Co. MI or in PA. John had at least one daughter, Emily WOODARD, born 30 Nov. 1884 in Eaton County, MI. Thank you Nova

Marge, You may receive other answer,s (and I do hope so). It has been MANY years ago that I did research at the Lancaster County Courthouse andat that time if I found no WILL for a person, I would check the Intestate Records, at that time WERE there. This may not help you, if you live MILES away. Ernest ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

My ancestor died in Lancaster Co., Pa. in 1784, intestate. He did not own land. The probate bond signature is probably not a family member. I was told that the Lancaster Co. Historical Society had the probate records. Twenty years ago when I first started genealogy, I wrote to them and was sent the sale account. It looked like there wasn't much left after debts were subtracted but it wasn't "0" or "-". The balance may have gone for court costs, but I don't know. There were no names of his wife or the children anywhere in what I got of this record. Do you think this was everything in the file? Should I try again? I still have no children's names to make the connection and I know this couple had children and she died in 1824. There is a marriage record but no baptisms. Marge Green

>From where in Lanc county do your Sides hail? My grandmother was a Sides; there is a naming thing within the family where either a Samuel or a George is in each generation. For instance, the Geo has a son Sam, who has a son Geo, who has a son Sam..... Anyway, there are lots of Sides in the Falmouth/Bainbridge area. This is the northwestern part of the county. My grandmother was actually born/raised in Highspire, which is about 15 miles up the Susquehanna River from there (I have visited the family plot in Highspire Cemetary - LOTS of Sides there.) Her father, George Sides, m. a Blanche Edith Grimes - they owned the general store in Highspire for many years. George was actually from the York side of the river maybe there's a connection? Anyway, I'd be interested to see if we have a direct connection or if maybe there's a cousin thing going on. ----- Original Message ----- From: <OmahaMom@aol.com> To: <PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:29 AM Subject: [PaDgo] Lost in Lancaster county, PA > Lost, in Lancaster county: > > John Gish, married to Martha Magdalena Miller (b abt 1800) daughter of > Henry/Heinrich Miller & Mary/Polly Bartley. Children: Mary M "Polie Mary", > Christian, Martha (md Samuel Groff/Grove), Anna/Annie & Sarah. John shows up > in Orphan's Court records in Jan 1849. I'm not sure which of the MANY > Christian's is his son from the 1850 census, and don't know where John ties > into the Gish family tree. > > His daughter Mary md John Sides & they had Jacob & Samuel who died as > children, Mary Ann who md Frank Benjamin Stauffer, Amanda who md Nathaniel > McNair out in Nebraska--my line, & John G. Jr. I've got birthdates on the > three children that lived to adulthood. > > But John (7 Jan 1844-21 Aug 1901) was the son of Jacob & Barbara Sides. I > have Jacob's birthdate, and his parents names George U Susanna Eckman Sides > (No dates, just a will date for George.) The missing kids there were: Lydia > (22 Aug 1844-20 Aug 1936 from tombstone), Benjamin, Samuel, Lizzie, Sarah, > and a sister that family couldn't remember the name of. One of the girls had > an illegitimate son named George Good who was born about 1871. Sarah md. > Abram (Abe) B. Hoffman. > > George's family from the will in 1826 were: Jacob (4 Apr 1810-27 Oct 1880 > from tombstone), Daniel, Barbara, Henry, George, Mary, Abigail, Martin & > Fanny. I have no dates or marriage info for any but Jacob. > > Susanna Eckman was the dau of Jacob (will proved 31 Mar 1806) & Catherine and > had siblings: Daniel, Jacob, Mary, Elizabeth, Magtalen & John. I don't have > any dates for any of this bunch, nor do I have any other information. > > I just recently got a lead on the Bartley line, which goes off to Albemarle > co, VA, but know nothing about Henry Miller's parentage or his other kids: > Jacob, Mary (md to Daniel Kapp), and John. There may be other kids, but > those were the only ones mentioned in the will. > > Would be interested in more information on any or all of them. The > Gish/Sides connection were members of the Brethren. > Karen >

Barbara I get a chuckle out of the darnedest things. When reading your abstracts the BECKER, Frederick Will to Daughter Mary Elizabeth wo Christopher Grunewaldt 1shilling because of her disobedience Anna Marie wo Jacob Shoemaker, Berks Co., the same thing. Evidently he did not like his son-in-laws no other women mentioned except his wife.. Notes from the orphan court record.. Peter Noel December 1795 wife Married to Christopher Spece this would have been Henrietta the wife of Peter JR. Christopher and Henrietta were administrator of Peter Noel Jr. Estate. The Noel Peter children January 1 1790. This may be referring to a Margaret Noel Daughter of Peter Sr born in 1770/1 and the late Margaret Noel Peter Sr. wife. Daughter is now turning 21 and entitled to part of her inherence with her husband James T/Ferney another way to see it: Peter Noel 1720 - 1771 and wife Margaret ? ---> daughter Margaret born 1770 married James Terney Anyway we seem to be adding information to Charles Noel's NOEL TREE. Ted

Karen, It might help you, if you narrow down your research to the Conoy Township and Elizabeth- town and that north west part of Lancaster co., pA Many of those surname live in that area. Ernest Weinhold ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Does anyone know where Merkel's mill is in western PA?

Have a GGreat grandfather born in Berks Co.PA and his first son, Joseph was Bapt in Cocalico Swamp Reforme Church June 1836. Census 1850 have the family in Cumru Lancaster Co..Moved to Ill in 1861-2. I'm trying to find His ABRAHAM GOOD's father and where he's been. I belive he was in Vir during the1840's. Any GOOD help would be appreciated. Galen G> Good GGOOD711@AOL.com

I am sorry to ask this but all my information is in this program and I don't want to have to start over,it is not genealogy searchinf but about keeping what I already have. I am using the family search tree and I have a problem with it.I cannot print anything or or send anything to anyone.I must have done something wrong .Can anyone explain to me what I did. I keep getting PAF caused an invalid page fault in Module PAF4.EXE. This program preformed an illegal operation and will shut down.I am fairly new at this and any help would be appericated.If it is not approriate for the list I aplogise,and if it is please reply to me privately. E.Hollifield

Lost, in Lancaster county: John Gish, married to Martha Magdalena Miller (b abt 1800) daughter of Henry/Heinrich Miller & Mary/Polly Bartley. Children: Mary M "Polie Mary", Christian, Martha (md Samuel Groff/Grove), Anna/Annie & Sarah. John shows up in Orphan's Court records in Jan 1849. I'm not sure which of the MANY Christian's is his son from the 1850 census, and don't know where John ties into the Gish family tree. His daughter Mary md John Sides & they had Jacob & Samuel who died as children, Mary Ann who md Frank Benjamin Stauffer, Amanda who md Nathaniel McNair out in Nebraska--my line, & John G. Jr. I've got birthdates on the three children that lived to adulthood. But John (7 Jan 1844-21 Aug 1901) was the son of Jacob & Barbara Sides. I have Jacob's birthdate, and his parents names George U Susanna Eckman Sides (No dates, just a will date for George.) The missing kids there were: Lydia (22 Aug 1844-20 Aug 1936 from tombstone), Benjamin, Samuel, Lizzie, Sarah, and a sister that family couldn't remember the name of. One of the girls had an illegitimate son named George Good who was born about 1871. Sarah md. Abram (Abe) B. Hoffman. George's family from the will in 1826 were: Jacob (4 Apr 1810-27 Oct 1880 from tombstone), Daniel, Barbara, Henry, George, Mary, Abigail, Martin & Fanny. I have no dates or marriage info for any but Jacob. Susanna Eckman was the dau of Jacob (will proved 31 Mar 1806) & Catherine and had siblings: Daniel, Jacob, Mary, Elizabeth, Magtalen & John. I don't have any dates for any of this bunch, nor do I have any other information. I just recently got a lead on the Bartley line, which goes off to Albemarle co, VA, but know nothing about Henry Miller's parentage or his other kids: Jacob, Mary (md to Daniel Kapp), and John. There may be other kids, but those were the only ones mentioned in the will. Would be interested in more information on any or all of them. The Gish/Sides connection were members of the Brethren. Karen

Dear Barb (and List), Sorry no sign of Ottilia BAYER in what I have. As I said in my earlier post, I strongly recommend you get a copy of: Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage Vol 21, Number 3 July 1998 and look at the article by Jane Evans BEST starting on Page 11. if you have a BAER (or variant) connection in PA. The article has a very interesting outline of the BAR family back in Hausen parish about nine miles south west of Zurich. I hate to admit how many hours over several years it took me to confirm that my Mary BAER b 23 Jan 1772 (and identified as Mary BEAR - BA1231.113 on page 14) is of this family. Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage is the Quarterly of the Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society. 717-393-9745 Happy BEAR hunting. (sorry, couldn't resist!) Good luck with your search. Regards, Glen BRUNSKILL, Burlington, Ontario Message text written by INTERNET:Bdanderson@aol.com > Glen: This is very interesting to me as my ancestors are Paulus Wegerlin and his wife, Ottilia Bayer who landed in Phila. Sept. 18, 1732 with children; Jacob, Anna Clara, Catharina and Ottilia. They lived in E. Cocalico Twp. until their deaths where additional children; Adam b. 1744 (my ancestor); John, Phillip and Barbara were born. I always wonder how immigrants decided where to settle and the information on the Baer family may be a clue, even though Ottilia's name was spelled Bayer. Do you, or anyone on the list, have information on Ottilia Bayer and Paulus Wegerlin? Thanks, Barbara Wegley Anderson <

First Thanks for the responses on Noel / Speace.. There were a number of questions how I found information not in the published indexes. PROBATE - PROBATE - PROBATE Many of the Indexes only have the person who died and the date filed. Some of the published indexes Also list the names included in the will. BUT THAT'S ONLY PART OF THE STORY As Paul Harvey would say THE REST OF THE STORY... is in the other papers. First there is those who did not have a will yet had assets. Look at the ADMINISTRATION The administration BOND may tell who the next of kin is I.e. Wife - children brothers or sisters. Then for both Wills and Administrations there are the other papers Inventory and distribution of money or settlement. Some times there are notes attached. All of these papers including the original Will not what was copied into the will book are on file by surname [not date] at the archive in York County. To find if the archives has a file you can e-mail them you need the name and approx. year archives@york-county.org They may tell you the have an index and will copy the pages but this is only the Wills. You need to find if there is an administration. They will e-mail back the cost of copying. It is $1.00 per page by mail and that included postage. If you go in person it is $.25 per page. You never know what you will find in these records but they should not be ignored. Some Examples of what I found from Administration [died without a will] #1 Mary Noel died in 1841 - Pastor who presided at funeral what he was paid. This led to the church records. The fact that she was sick and had live in help during illness. He inventory listed thing that did not belong to her. This was resolved in Notes attached to the administration. #2 Peter Noel Jr. Wife Henrietta remarried her new husband name Christopher Spease. Fact that the will of Peter Noel Sr. was not completely settled his brothers and sisters {8 of them} were still owed money. This also confirmed This Peter is the son of the Peter who died in 1771. Peter Noel Jr did not die in 1779 as previously reported. That was the date the Administration bond was issued. He died two years prior, in prior to Feb 1777 his wife had two years to remarry. In addition to Will and Administrations you need to check Orphan Court records, especially when minor children are involved or there are disputes in the Probate. Hope this helps I am four hours away form York and it is an overnight trip for me. So the internet and snail mail still works. Ted

I invite all of you to join me for genealogy chat for northwestern Illinois and those PA counties whose residents helped settle northwestern Illinois on Thurs eve at 8pm CST. Just go to www.freeportillinois.com and press the chat button on the right side. Make sure that you put your surnames in where it asks for profile. Lou Cook