--part1_10.1e5c127.261c817c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI Updated Light in the Valley to be Published Don --part1_10.1e5c127.261c817c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <dwertz@blazenet.net> Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:30:56 -0400 Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (regulus.blazenet.net [24.104.0.39]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:30:36 -0400 Received: from blazenet.net (ip13.51.blca.blazenet.net [24.104.51.13]) by regulus.blazenet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03243 for <FamilyHart@aol.com>; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38EA6160.F5921555@blazenet.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:40:49 -0400 From: Debra Wertz <dwertz@blazenet.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FamilyHart@aol.com Subject: Hi from York PA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wanted to let you know the Historical Committee at Codorus Church of the Brethren, Loganville, York Co PA is working on a second edition of the church history book "A Light In the Valley". We are going to republish it in its original form, and then add a 25 year update. Publication 2001. If you could spread the word to others researching some of these families (Hartman, Myers etc), we would appreciate it. We are taking pre-orders to try and get an idea of how many to order. Definite price and further details will follow later. Estimated cost for hardback is $10-15 if we do 1,000 copies. You can have people contact me at home address (2408 Pine grove Rd York 17403), phone 717-741-0619, or email (dwertz@blazenet.net). Or they can email the Codorus Church directly at their website. Hope you are all doing well!! Deb Wertz --part1_10.1e5c127.261c817c_boundary--

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Be wary of buying CD. You might find all they have is a name from a unknown index. Then it will say information private. Then you have wasted $29. I think they must use computert generated surnames and possible given names for a match on their CDS even though they have no onfo. It does sell CDs. Any ideas?

Hi, I was wondering if there is anyone who has Family Tree Maker CD #355- Germans To America who would be willing to look up two names for me. When I do a search on FTM it shows that these two individuals are listed on the CD, but I need more information to know if they are the ancestors I am looking for. I was ready to order the CD until I saw how expensive it was! If someone can do this for me it would be a huge help. E-mail me privately and I will give you the names and approximate date of immigration. thank you, Lea

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Dora, What an interesting story you have been able to pluck from a few tax records & family that cared deeply from their roots! That's what's interesting about genealogy, the varied results ya find from digging. I am descended from Pottery workers, whom didn't have much, but have a wonderfully loving family! Ya survive with love & struggling together, but ya do that with any family staying together! I have discovered that my Coleman's were PAdutch-Merriman surnames, as well as Davis. Perhaps Reeher from Germany also! interestingly enough for me, I had a great uncle keep a deed & some tax records with some military papers from WWI, & somehow they ended up in some records of his brother, that happened to be my grandfather Coleman, & so have them in my possession now! I am still trying to determine if this land is part of the Raccoon State Park located in that area of Beaver county, PA! A big challenge! Ya have any idea who I should speak to? I guess the state Archives?! I will figure it out. Did you say those Davis's from Chester county, PA? I have some Davis's that supposedly came from Wales & settled somewhere, on a farm, I assume in Western PA somewhere. The man, Joseph Davis, was born in Wales in 1860 & had a son born in PA in 1880 & another son, Harry born sometime, but haven't been able so far to find anything more about Harry though know more things about his sons & daughter, than him, so far! I managed to find out about Harry through tracking down his daughter, some years ago, & listening to the struggling of her father in the pottery industry Of Eastern OH, Columbiana County, in the early 1900's. Happy Hunting, Cathy Raber, FL -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> To: PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com <PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:44 AM Subject: [PaDgo] the importance of tax and census records >My father and mother both believed, having >depression, and families that ran from that >heritage and were also depressed, that their >ancestors were dirt farmers. Imagine my father's >surprise on learning that his ancestors included >community leaders, Germantown founders, religious >leaders - and farmers of HUGE, prosperous, >Pennsylvania-Dutch farms, with mills, forges, you >name it! > >But my father actually had one dirt poor ancestor >with a little farm. Shortly before 1790, John >and Isabella Smith came from Ireland - with the >clothes on their backs. They were hired off the >docks, perhaps as indentured servants, by a local >large dairy farmer who also owned slaves, and was >a particularly evangelical sort of Baptist. Must >have been a nice guy. No records of that exist - >except that in 1890, two free servants, a man and >a woman, are found on John Davis's property. >Along with the slaves. I didn't until that >minute know this guy who was actually the father >of teh "kindly farmer and justice of the peace" >who took the Smith couple in, owned slaves. One >of two or three people in that part of Chester >County who did. We know taht from the census, >too. This is teh first record of the Smiths in >this country. Could have been a different couple >- except that in 1798 the Smiths, who arrived in >this country with teh clothes on their backs, >purchased a 29 1/2 acre farm, which was tiny for >that part of Chester County where a small farm >had a hundred acres and quite a number had a >thousand - and they paid cash for this farm. The >deed tells us this. How the Smiths must have >worked and scraped for that money. > >Now, the little article their grandson >contributed to a biographical encyclopedia, his >father having been a Delaware state legislator as >well as owning nearly 1000 acres himself, >described John and Isabella as "dividing their >labor between the loom and the plough", as well >as being Presbyterian. To my family, this meant >they were farmers from Ireland. I realized this >meant they were Scotch-Irish and probably if it >was described that way labor slanted toward the >loom, particularly since the Smiths travelled 12 >miles every Sunday to the Presbyterian church >when other churches were closer. > >Well, now the tax records enter the picture. >John Smith was a weaver by trade; he paid as much >in taxes for his loom as for his land, his one >cow and one horse, and it was worth atleast as >much as his land. Can you imagine that one horse >hauling the two parents and seven children in the >wagon 12 miles to church every Sunday? It had >better have been a Clysdale! He had one of those >huge manual looms that one finds in histories of >weaving. > >The house where they lived, which John Smith >himself built, there having been no home on the >land when they bought it as a piece cut off from >another, larger parcel of land, has been built >around and on top of and still stands. The >current owner told me that they needed to do some >work on it and they excavated it. Under the >original portion of the house was a kind of half >cellar - with the remains of a fireplace and >chimney in one corner. John and Isabella Smith >bought that farm in October of 1798. They had a >one-year old son and a new-born baby. They spent >their first winter building that little log cabin >- and while they were building it, they lived in >that half cellar with the temporary fireplace in >the corner. > >About five years after he bought the farm, John >Smith apparently took out a mortgage against his >farm for $200 - and he may never have paid on the >interest either. In 1831, someone who probably >was the son of the man who made him the loan >foreclosed on the farm; he took out a judgement >against the farm for the $200 and the interest. >Another successful son of John Smith's bought the >farm; and the following year he sold it out of >the family for the judgement and whatever. > >Well, the descendants of John Smith so far as I >know have been honest and decent people and well >educated when they could manage to be, how did >this story happen? > >Well, because so many of my father's ancestors >were weavers, which is something we know time and >time again from those privacy-invading tax >records, sometimes quite successful weavers on >top of being large scale farmers, millers and >raisers of sheep, I have a small interest in >weaving, so I did a little reading about it. >Even tried my hand at spinning. It seems the >first industrial textile operations in >southeastern Pennsylvania got going right about >1830, and the price of woven textiles abruptly >plunged, and village weavers like John Smith were >quite suddenly unable to make a living, and were >ruined. Those factories were built in New >Garden, only a few miles from where John Smith >lived. > >So an entire touching family story emerges from a >few records and artifacts. John Smith takes on >human dimensions. My mother's New England family >actually kept very good records of a names and >dates and peoples' occupations and where they >lived and what land they owned sort - and as far >as I've been able to learn they completely lacked >the human dimensions that have emerged on my >father's people. > >Yours, >Dora Smith > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > >______________________________

Sorry about the repetition, folks; it needed some correcting! My father and mother both believed, having depression, and families that ran from that heritage and were also depressed, that their ancestors were dirt farmers. Imagine my father's surprise on learning that his ancestors included community leaders, Germantown founders, religious leaders - and farmers of HUGE, prosperous, Pennsylvania-Dutch farms, with mills, forges, you name it! But my father actually had one dirt poor ancestor with a little farm. Shortly before 1790, John and Isabella Smith came from Ireland - with the clothes on their backs. They were hired off the docks, perhaps as indentured servants, by a local large dairy farmer who also owned slaves, and was a particularly evangelical sort of Baptist. Must have been a nice guy. No records of that exist - except that in 1790, two free servants, a man and a woman, are found on John Whitten's property. Along with the slaves. I didn't until that minute know this guy who was actually the father of teh "kindly farmer and justice of the peace" who according to the family story took the Smith couple in, owned slaves. One of two or three people in that part of Chester County who did. We know that from the census, too. Though he was also a justice of the peace, and some records of his court that I've seen reveal him to have been a quite scrupulous man. This is the first record of the Smiths in this country. Could have been a different couple - except that in 1798 the Smiths, who arrived in this country with the clothes on their backs, purchased a 29 1/2 acre farm, which was tiny for that part of Chester County where a small farm had a hundred acres and quite a number had a thousand - and they paid cash for this farm. The deed tells us this. How the Smiths must have worked and scraped for that money. It's doubtful they advanced their condition sufficiently to be able to do do it if they weren't the male and female servants who lived on John Whitten's farm in 1790. They are supposed to have been born in 1769, though, and buried an infant son in the sea on the voyage over - and so couldn't have gotten to Pennsylvania much sooner than 1789. Now, the little article their grandson contributed to a biographical encyclopedia, his father having been a Delaware state legislator as well as owning nearly 1000 acres himself, described John and Isabella as "dividing their labor between the loom and the plough", as well as being Presbyterian. To my family, this meant they were farmers from Ireland. I realized this meant they were Scotch-Irish and probably if it was described that way labor slanted toward the loom, particularly since the Smiths travelled 12 miles every Sunday to the Presbyterian church when other churches were closer. Well, now the tax records enter the picture. John Smith was a weaver by trade; he paid as much in taxes for his loom as for his land, his one cow and one horse, and it was worth atleast as much as his land. Can you imagine that one horse hauling the two parents and seven children in the wagon 12 miles to church every Sunday? It had better have been a Clysdale! He had one of those huge manual looms that one finds in histories of weaving. The house where they lived, which John Smith himself built, there having been no home on the land when they bought it as a piece cut off from another, larger parcel of land, has been built around and on top of and still stands. The current owner told me that they needed to do some work on it and they excavated it. Under the original portion of the house was a kind of half cellar - with the remains of a fireplace and chimney in one corner. John and Isabella Smith bought that farm in October of 1798. They had a one-year old son and a new-born baby. They spent their first winter building that little log cabin - and while they were building it, they lived in that half cellar with the temporary fireplace in the corner. About five years after he bought the farm, John Smith apparently took out a mortgage against his farm for $200 - and he may never have paid on the interest either. In 1831, someone who probably was the son of the man who made him the loan foreclosed on the farm; he took out a judgement against the farm for the $200 and the interest. Another successful son of John Smith's bought the farm; and the following year he sold it out of the family for the judgement and whatever. Well, the descendants of John Smith so far as I know have been honest and decent people and well educated when they could manage to be, how did this story happen? Well, because so many of my father's ancestors were weavers, which is something we know time and time again from those privacy-invading tax records, sometimes quite successful weavers on top of being large scale farmers, millers and raisers of sheep, I have a small interest in weaving, so I did a little reading about it. Even tried my hand at spinning. It seems the first industrial textile operations in southeastern Pennsylvania got going right about 1830, and the price of woven textiles abruptly plunged, and village weavers like John Smith were quite suddenly unable to make a living, and were ruined. Those factories were built in New Garden, only a few miles from where John Smith lived. So an entire touching family story emerges from a few records and artifacts. John Smith takes on human dimensions. My mother's New England family actually kept very good records of a names and dates and peoples' occupations and where they lived and what land they owned sort - and as far as I've been able to learn they completely lacked the human dimensions that have emerged on my father's people. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

My father and mother both believed, having depression, and families that ran from that heritage and were also depressed, that their ancestors were dirt farmers. Imagine my father's surprise on learning that his ancestors included community leaders, Germantown founders, religious leaders - and farmers of HUGE, prosperous, Pennsylvania-Dutch farms, with mills, forges, you name it! But my father actually had one dirt poor ancestor with a little farm. Shortly before 1790, John and Isabella Smith came from Ireland - with the clothes on their backs. They were hired off the docks, perhaps as indentured servants, by a local large dairy farmer who also owned slaves, and was a particularly evangelical sort of Baptist. Must have been a nice guy. No records of that exist - except that in 1890, two free servants, a man and a woman, are found on John Davis's property. Along with the slaves. I didn't until that minute know this guy who was actually the father of teh "kindly farmer and justice of the peace" who took the Smith couple in, owned slaves. One of two or three people in that part of Chester County who did. We know taht from the census, too. This is teh first record of the Smiths in this country. Could have been a different couple - except that in 1798 the Smiths, who arrived in this country with teh clothes on their backs, purchased a 29 1/2 acre farm, which was tiny for that part of Chester County where a small farm had a hundred acres and quite a number had a thousand - and they paid cash for this farm. The deed tells us this. How the Smiths must have worked and scraped for that money. Now, the little article their grandson contributed to a biographical encyclopedia, his father having been a Delaware state legislator as well as owning nearly 1000 acres himself, described John and Isabella as "dividing their labor between the loom and the plough", as well as being Presbyterian. To my family, this meant they were farmers from Ireland. I realized this meant they were Scotch-Irish and probably if it was described that way labor slanted toward the loom, particularly since the Smiths travelled 12 miles every Sunday to the Presbyterian church when other churches were closer. Well, now the tax records enter the picture. John Smith was a weaver by trade; he paid as much in taxes for his loom as for his land, his one cow and one horse, and it was worth atleast as much as his land. Can you imagine that one horse hauling the two parents and seven children in the wagon 12 miles to church every Sunday? It had better have been a Clysdale! He had one of those huge manual looms that one finds in histories of weaving. The house where they lived, which John Smith himself built, there having been no home on the land when they bought it as a piece cut off from another, larger parcel of land, has been built around and on top of and still stands. The current owner told me that they needed to do some work on it and they excavated it. Under the original portion of the house was a kind of half cellar - with the remains of a fireplace and chimney in one corner. John and Isabella Smith bought that farm in October of 1798. They had a one-year old son and a new-born baby. They spent their first winter building that little log cabin - and while they were building it, they lived in that half cellar with the temporary fireplace in the corner. About five years after he bought the farm, John Smith apparently took out a mortgage against his farm for $200 - and he may never have paid on the interest either. In 1831, someone who probably was the son of the man who made him the loan foreclosed on the farm; he took out a judgement against the farm for the $200 and the interest. Another successful son of John Smith's bought the farm; and the following year he sold it out of the family for the judgement and whatever. Well, the descendants of John Smith so far as I know have been honest and decent people and well educated when they could manage to be, how did this story happen? Well, because so many of my father's ancestors were weavers, which is something we know time and time again from those privacy-invading tax records, sometimes quite successful weavers on top of being large scale farmers, millers and raisers of sheep, I have a small interest in weaving, so I did a little reading about it. Even tried my hand at spinning. It seems the first industrial textile operations in southeastern Pennsylvania got going right about 1830, and the price of woven textiles abruptly plunged, and village weavers like John Smith were quite suddenly unable to make a living, and were ruined. Those factories were built in New Garden, only a few miles from where John Smith lived. So an entire touching family story emerges from a few records and artifacts. John Smith takes on human dimensions. My mother's New England family actually kept very good records of a names and dates and peoples' occupations and where they lived and what land they owned sort - and as far as I've been able to learn they completely lacked the human dimensions that have emerged on my father's people. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

The Quakers deliberately preserved their careful and detailed records of life events and peoples' movements in their meeting records, in order that their descendants should have the same sort and level of genealogical knowledge about themselves as the people of Israel, as recorded in the bible, where an individual's pedigree, known by heart, could run for a great many lines. Almost always, these records were one-liners. "Mary daughter of Ezra Thompson and Mary his wife born 7 8th month 1800" "Received from Ballymoney meeting in Ireland, James Thompson, 13, 12th month, 1650" that sort of thing. My father's family took some little pride in their Thompson identity and the Quaker heritage of that family - as per a single paragraph detailing the family of my father's grandmother in a Smith family history. But they had forgotten the entire story. I traced it through some of those Quaker records. I didn't have to trace extensively, because it was a locally prominent family whose genealogy had been compiled to a certain point. But the family history would have begun at the point of emigration to this country like that of most Quaker families, maybe a note of what place they were from in Ireland if they were lucky. But one of the Thompson brothers who emigrated wrote the following, beautifully written, entire history of his family, right into the minutes of the Quaker meeting where he settled in Salem, West New Jersey. He put it there, understand, because this man had the foresight to know that in time his descendants and those of his brother would forget their roots - and he knew that they would look for information in the Quaker records where their people had lived. Andrew Thompson's Thompson Family History Andrew Thompson entered the following family history into the Quaker records at Elsinboro, Salem County, New Jersey, where his family first settled. John Thompson, sonn of Thomas Thompson, borne in Kirkfenton in Yorkshire in the yeare 1635, and in the third month of that yeare, commonly called May. In the Yeare: 1658: the said Thomas Thompson and Elizabeth his wife, with their two sones John Thompson the elder and Andrew Thompson the younger, removed or transported themselves from the Afforesaid Kirkfenton in England into Ireland. In the yeare: 1665: in the beginning of that yeare the said John Thompson tooke to wife Jane Humbles, daughter of Thomas Humbles, late of the County of Durham in England but now dwelling in Ireland. Thomas Thompson, sonn of John Thompson by Jane his wife borne in the County of Wicloe and the parish of donard in Ireland. About the beginning of the seventh month in the yeare 1666. James Thompson, sonn of John Thompson by Jane his wife was born in Ireland in the County and parrish Afforesaid about the middle of the 8th month, 1668. Ann Thompson daughter of John Thompson by Jane his wife was borne in Ireland in the County and parrish Aforesaid about the beginning of the 9th month in the yeare 1672. Mary Thompson daughter of John Thompson by Jane his wife was borne in Ireland in the County and parrish Aforesaid the 25th day of the 10th month 1675. In the yeare 1677 the said John Thompson transported himselfe with his wife and his Afforesaid four Children and one man servant named William Hall, from Ireland to the Province of West new Jersey in America: they set sail on the 16 day of the 9 month in the ship called the Mary of dublin, John Wall being master, and landed at Elsinburgh in the Province of west new Jersey in America the 22 of the 12 month following. Andrew Thompson entered a similar statement about his own family. When I find it again, I will enter it here. For some reason, (????) every Thompson article and genealogy I've seen includes atleast half of this passage by Andrew Thompson. Someone even stuck it in the Chester County Historical Society, in the place where my line of descendants of this family settled - neatly handwritten on a bunch of little index cards. I guess all of us Thompson descendants are very proud of this ancestor. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

ONE of these two lists recently had quite a discussion about the Census, people complaining about invasions of their privacy, etc. I apologize to whichever list this WASN'T. I think people have forgotten to appreciate what our ancestors did for us by filling out the census! We owe all sorts of things to ancestors who had enough foresight and the sense of responsibility to others to provide information about themselves and to preserve information for the future. People seem to have lost sight of the fact that one day our descendants will be trying to find any sort of basic information about us, from who we were, where we went, where and when we were born, to what we were and what were our occupations. People fussing over telling the census details about their finances. But haven't all of us been proud and pleased to learn the same details of our ancestors' lives from census and tax data? Some people still have to actually fight just for the priviledge of being able to tell the census department our race, date of birth, and how we pay for housing. Below is the fight I just went through to fill out a form in which I listed my name, address, phone number, age, date of birth, I'm not Hispanic, I am Caucasian, and I pay cash rent for my living quarters. I had to fill out a "Be Counted" form for the people the Census misses. If anyone on these lists for whatever reason doesn't get a census form, request a form D-10, "Be Counted" form from your local census office. College students living in dorms are counted as residents of that place and explicitly excluded from being counted as members of their parents' households. The first person to tell me of the existence of such a form as this was a census representative sitting at a table in front of a library on Austin's University of Texas campus. Warning: people in any census office are probably currently the most confused people in the country when it comes to any question to do with the census, if you can even get through to a living human being on the phone; according to a recent USA Today article most people with genuine questions and problems can't get through because of the number of people calling to argue about the Census itself. I got as far as I did by giving up and walking in to the main office in the Federal Building in Austin. Those people even more confused - though brighter than the people I spoke to on the phone, and too busy to get my problem to my local area supervisor who could have solved my problem. I finally called my Congressman's office and had to detail the steps I'd already taken. They put me through to the director's office, who sent me the "Be Counted" forms - so don't give up until you get the form. U. S. Department of Commerce Bureau of the Census National Processing Center Jeffersonville IN 47190-4444 Sir/ Madame: I rent a room by the month from a landlord who rents out rooms to seven unrelated people at this address. We have individual leases with him. We are seven separate households; we do not share expenses at all. We do share the above address; our rooms do not have individual unit numbers. Noone in this household received anything from the Census Department, except our landlord, Paul Terry Walhus, who did receive something from you, according to a housemate. It is possible that you think that Paul Walhus alone lives here, but Paul Walhus does not live here at all; atleast, he does not stay here at all and currently has no space of his own here - though, a roving "ex"-hippie of seeming no fixed abode, he would tell you he lives at each of three of the four properties he owns in Austin and two neighboring towns. We at this house think he spends most of his time at his house (that is, house he owns where he rents out rooms) in Bastrop. Possibly the census form was addressed to Paul Walhus as the supposed resident of this house, and if so he may even have completed and returned it with his own information on it. If it was Paul's responsibility as landlord to fill out our information on his census form he got for this house, or to have us do it, he can be pretty well counted on to not do it; Paul is perpetually spaced out, he hasn't computed or billed us for the household utility bills in two and a half months, and presumably not paid them either, since he is in serious financial crisis; it took him months to get us room and house keys after promising to do it, I don't have the key to the front door yet, not that anyone locks the doors to the house (if one of your enumerators came to check, she could walk right in), you get the idea. If he did put the form out for us to complete, another ex-hippy who lives here who is seriously a bit loony would have been likely to have eaten it - which means it could be he did so, and she did away with it! If by chance Paul DID complete the census form in our names, he couldn't possibly have done so accurately since he wouldn't know the correct answers. If he reported me to the Census, I need to complete another report anyway. How are my sister's descendants going to find me in the census if it doesn't have my correct age OR date of birth? (It would have been nice if you'd asked for PLACE of birth... ) I went to the local Census office and got only a runaround; they did not seem to know what to do in this situation, they felt I should wait until July until the Census department realizes it doesn't have forms from people it doesn't likely know live here, at which time I plan to be no longer at this address but somewhere else where the more stable people who live there already completed and returned their census form. A woman who promised to give my information to my local field director and put me in touch with that person seemed perpetually to never get around to doing it. My Congressman's office put me in touch with the local census director, Dennis Orr, who sent me seven "Be Counted" forms; I have duly distributed them to the places where each of my housemates receive their mail. But there are some odd people living here, and they may or may not all return those forms. In fact, if a census enumerator were to visit here, she might get sent away or lied to about who lives here or the nature of this house. Since I am not often home, she would have been unlikely to find me. I have filled out my form for myself only, as Mr. Orr directed me. But I'd hate to see the Census Department forever unaware of who else lives here. I am extensively using census records to trace my own genealogy. Because I am specifically tracing a strong family history on both sides of manic depression and other mood and anxiety disorders, now known to be variously fully to partially genetic, and I and distant cousins working on the same lines have learned some of our most critical information by tracing families that broke down and people who never did very well or whose lives showed signs of serious problems, I am particularly aware of the importance of the sorts of people who live at 9011 Quail Creek Drive being included in the Census. Perhaps it is teh only way descendants of some of the people who live here will ever put together important family history. Therefore, I want to atleast make you aware of who else lives at 9011 Quail Creek Drive, to record or follow up on as you think best. I warn you; doing nothing about it at all would be a very good way to miss counting these people. John Willis - single employed young adult approximately in his twenties, white. Dean La Pointe, a retired male approximately in his 60's or early 70's, employed, white. Tony Pak, an employed Oriental male I'd say around thirty, give or take a few years. His proper name is Tae ___ Pak. I do not know if he was born in this country. I do not know if he is a U.S. citizen, though I'd say he has lived here for some time and completed part of his education here, and he appears well educated. He does have an Oriental accent, not thick, and Oriental ways about him - which suggests he was not born in this country. Jane Gallion - a white woman, I'd say atleast a college education or equivalent, approximately in her 50's, has either three or four grown children, atleast one of whom lives in Austin. She has lived in L.A. and West Virginia and possibly elsewhere. She says she raised her children in a backwoods cabin in West Virginia with no electricity or running water, and as a hippie in Los Angeles, at the time of Woodstock, "while watching my best friends get shot", and in communes; I do not know if Gallion is her maiden name. It is the same name she had in Los Angeles; she published two books there in 1969 and 1970: "Bike" (fiction) and "Woman as Nigger" (social commentary), as well as a considerable amount of street poetry. . She is employed full time, at some sort of office work for a temporary agency. Jane is the one who is distinctly a bit loony. "Jason V" - new tenant. He rented a room a day or two ago, lives here as of 4/1, and I haven't yet met him. Jason _____. Not the same person. He has lived here for a month. He is about in his twenties, single, as far as I know, and employed. Jason V. replaces Sandra Dowd, a white woman approximately in her 50's, retired art professor, runs a small business of her own, possibly real estate; she also paints. She moved out of 9011 Quail Creek Drive yesterday, March 31. She owns a principal place of residence in another town far from here, but by the Census Department's definition her principal residence was here and now is at the house she just bought or rented and moved into yesterday, someplace in the city of Austin, as she spends most weeks, most weekdays, and most weekends in Austin, ostensibly for the purpose of her business. But if she was sent a census form at her other residence, she may have competed and returned it. Yours, Dora A. Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

I am hoping to put together a collection of ideas for family reunions to be distributed at one of our genealogy society meetings. I'd appreciate any ideas of things that worked/didn't work for reunions that you've attended. (Small families, large families, huge extended families.) Sending them implies that I have permission to print it in the collection of ideas. (Since I don't know if I'll get ten or ten dozen, I can't say whether it'll work out to be a page, or a booklet.) Karen

Mike,I haven't visited the project, yet and will do later after I answer my letters. I will send you a booklet made by Barbara Goodwin Avery in NC in 1991 which will fill in afew lines for you and then get you some names of your cousins in Oregon and Alaska and MN. Our Oregon cousin has researched hundreds of Gore line. Galen G. Good 9661 Midnight Sun Ave. Las Vegas, Nv 89147 Ph 702 457 6031

Hi All, I have found a really great site at the following addy: http://www.city-gallery.com/album/contents.wphp It is called Old Photo Album & is a collection of old Pictures sent in by people like us! I have already found a pic of the Ancestor of a new cousin of mine from Indiana Co. Pa.! Just thought I'd pass it along so that everybody can enjoy it & maybe submit some of their own pics! Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SSchu22739@aol.com Surnames: Anderson, Hasselor, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), McAnulty,McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

Lookinf for any Manes ,Manis prior to 1826 anywhere.Have gotten back to that date in Sevier Co. Tn. on my gggrandparents.Now I am trying ti find his parents. there is a Joseph living next door to him in a 1850 census and also a Jacob and a Samuel living in the same area.any information on any names would be appericated.I know they had to come from somewhere. Thanks in advance E.Hollifield

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There certainly are some very good historians on that list including Dr. Emmert Bittinger, himself. I have been a member for several months now and they have some most interesting discussions on all Brethren settlements around the country. Diana

Hi Cathy, Perhaps the folks stayed in the same place but the borders between MD & PA were in dispute and moved between the two states often. Sometimes an area was in PA and then it became MD area, etc. Connie

Thank you very much, Joan. Are you sure that the earliest Brethren settlement was established in 1751? According to our family historians, our Jacob and Catharine NEFF had moved to Frederick Co. to join the Brethren settlement there, but the date we have for their daughter, Esther NEFF's marriage in Monocacy, Frederick Co. was Nov.19, 1745. Do you know which Brethren settlement was in Monocacy? Is there an e-mail list for the Brethren settlements in Frederick Co? Thank you again. Cathy On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:31:28 EST JYoung6180@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 3/30/00 5:07:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Hi, Cathy- > >According to Allegheny Passage by Dr. Emmert Bittinger the Brethren >settlements in this area in the 18th Century were: > >Pipe Creek (1751) >Antietam (1752) >Middletown Valley (1756) > >Joan > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

In a message dated 3/31/00 9:37:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, martin.abba@juno.com writes: > Are you sure that the earliest Brethren > settlement was established in 1751? According to our family historians, > our Jacob and Catharine NEFF had moved to Frederick Co. to join the > Brethren settlement there, but the date we have for their daughter, > Esther NEFF's marriage in Monocacy, Frederick Co. was Nov.19, 1745. Do > you know which Brethren settlement was in Monocacy? Is there an e-mail > list for the Brethren settlements in Frederick Co? Cathy- My Arnolds were in Frederick County earlier than 1751 also, but I am not sure what congregation they were connected to at that time. I would think BRETHREN@rootsweb.com would cover the anything about the early Brethren in Frederick County. To subscribe send an email to: BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com and put only one word SUBSCRIBE in the subject and body of the message. If you prefer Digest mode send your subscription request to: BRETHREN-D-request@rootsweb.com. Note that the address for the BRETHREN list does not include the usual -L in the address. There are some very knowledgeable Church historians on that list. Joan