Can't resist replying! PADutch are those Germans who came early into PA and spoke German (Deusch). My Berger ancestors came in 1744 and my grandmother, b 1870 still spoke German, or rather PA Dutch, which is a form of German understood somewhat in Germany (as we somewhat understand those from Alabama and Boston!) Double Dutch is a wonderful game of jumping rope which I loved to play as a child. Cathy Berger ----- Original Message ----- From: bjh <misstyblue@softcom.net> To: <PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [PaDgo] NEWCOMER SURNAME > Could someone be so kind to explain PaDutch and Double Dutch? I, supposedly, > have Pa Dutch in my family and would like to know how I would know if this > is true. > Betty - Ca. > >

Hi Ron, Check the LDS library near you. Then your local library or if there is a university nearby try their library. Good hunting, Kay -- Genealogy without documentation is mythology!

Hi All! I forgot to post the Phone # (oops!) for the Erie, Pa. Maritime Museum for those interested in ordering the book "The Indian Wars of Pennsylvania" by C. Hale Sipe. It is (814) 452-2744 ext. 207 & ask for Lee Kosinski. Hours Mon-Fri 9-5. I will be more than happy to check the Index for individual Surnames if anybody wants to email me privately :) PS: If you email Lee (lkosinski@team.org) (first letter of email is L) please include a number where she can reach you to set up your order! Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

Anyone have a connection to this Newcomer family? Roger Cramer Peoria, AZ Descendants of Michael Newcomer 1 Michael Newcomer b: in Washington Co., MD d: March 1881 Age at death: ? .. +Martha Krotzer b: in Lancaster Co., PA .. 2 Alice Newcomer ...... +Irving Bitner .. 2 Catherine Newcomer .. 2 Dallas P. Newcomer b: in (moved to NE) .. 2 Ella Newcomer ...... +Lewis P. Doub .. 2 John M. Newcomer .. 2 Laura Newcomer ...... +D. B. Stouffer .. 2 Joseph H. Newcomer b: December 6, 1839 in Washington Co., MD (came to Ogle Co., IL in 1860) d: 1934 Age at death: 95 est. Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co.,, IL ...... +Ellenor Hitt b: July 17, 1844 in Elizabeth, Jo Daviess Co., IL m: January 1, 1871 d: 1916 Age at death: 72 est. Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co.,, IL Father: Thaddeus Hitt Mother: Rebecca ....... 3 Albert M. Newcomer ........... +Mabel ....... 3 Francis Newcomer ....... 3 Josephine Newcomer ....... 3 William D. Newcomer ....... 3 Charles Earl Newcomer b: 1885 d: 1963 Age at death: 78 est. Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co.,, IL ........... +Rhea Hazel Wishard b: 1889 d: 1949 Age at death: 60 est. Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co.,, IL .. 2 Emma B. Newcomer b: 1854 d: 1924 Age at death: 70 est. Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ...... +Samuel S. Kerns b: 1850 m: September 19, 1877 in Ogle Co., IL d: 1909 Age at death: 59 est. Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: John Kerns Mother: Elizabeth Baker

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Biographies Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/DutchBios?read=49 Surname: Miller, Harmer, Keel, Lindner ------------------------- Hi, Jo Ann - Sorry it took so long to respond to your post -- I just happened to notice it this evening, along with about 678 other Emails. My grandmother was Rebecca Estella Harmer Keel, and her sister married a George Miller. Harmer was their maiden name. They lived in the Germantown section of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and their father was Richard Sharpless Harmer, Sr. I made contact with Richard Sharpless Harmer IV thru the internet, and have since met many other cousins. We are having a get-together in Philadelphia on June 5, 2000. I am expecting 20 to 30 people at my home in Bucks County, PA. I currently know that the Millers are related to the Harmer clan through marriage, as I mentioned earlier, and in June of 1999 there was a Miller Family ReUnion just outside of Philadelphia, PA. I was not able to attend, although I was invited -- a big chart was being filled in by everyone in attendance, and I am still waiting to get my hands on a copy of this chart information. Another cousin, Alice Wright, told me all about it. Her daughter is putting together the chart information. That is all I know at this time.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4759 Surname: ------------------------- My Frederick was born 6 Aug 1782. His father died when he was eight years old. (1790) He was raised by a brother or an uncle. I don't know if they lived around Rockton PA or not There was a Frederick in Lancaster Co. that owned land in 1840 that may have been your Frederick's brother. Sorry we can't seem to connect. Frances Duzan Herndon

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4758 Surname: Herr, Hoppes ------------------------- I am sorry, but I do not find anything on either of these names. Yvonne

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4757 Surname: HERR, HOPPES ------------------------- Would Mary Elizabeth HERR have had a sister by the name of Catherine HERR b.4-7-1755? Catherine is my grx4grandmother, married to Christian HOPPES.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4756 Surname: Lininger ------------------------- HI MY GRANDFATHER WAS FREDRICK LININGER FROM ROCKTON PA. BORN 1848. HAD A SISTER LOUISA AND 3 BROTHERS. ANY CONECTION

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4755 Surname: SEM, KNEISEL ------------------------- Elizabeth Kneisel, daughter of Stephen and Catharine Kneisel, married John Conrad Sem and had at least eight children: Jacob, Henry, John, William, Samuel, Gabriel, Elizabeth, and John William. I am descended from Elizabeth Kneisel's brother, Jacob, whose later spelled his name Nicely.

Could someone be so kind to explain PaDutch and Double Dutch? I, supposedly, have Pa Dutch in my family and would like to know how I would know if this is true. Betty - Ca.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4754 Surname: Witmer, Herr, Aston ------------------------- I find nothing for Morton Quay Witmer, but still may. As for Leah Herr Aston, she is the daughter of Mary Elizabeth Herr and Edwin C. Aston. Mary Elizabeth of Smithville, Pa. b.1-17-1854 m.12-23-1879. Edwin W. Aston b.9-2-1852 was the son of Edwin W. Aston and Margaret V. Taylor. Mary Elizabeth is the d/o Isaac Herr and Mary B. Shaub.

Ginger & List, Have you looked in Montgomery County, PA for your missing families? I have seen a migration from Montgomery Co to Frederick Co., MD then back into Adams Co., PA. Some Wagners were in Berks County, PA before the Rev War but I think they may have come from Montgomery Co., PA. Ann in Oklahoma

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4752 Surname: Miller, Hatz, Dornes, Owens, Holden ------------------------- Charles WALTER b abt 1832 Darmstadt, Baden, Ger. Md abt 1856 Elizabeth DORNES. He died 1 Oct 1905 Lancaster, PA. Eliz. DORNES b 4 Jul 1832-37 Hesse Darmstadt, Baden, Ger. D 2 Jul 1913 Lancaster, Pa. Martin DORNES (father of Eliz)b. Ger. Md 30 Oct 1831 Evanelisch, Baden, Ger. Elisabetha ALBRECHT. Frederick MILLER b. abt 1825 Hesse Darmstadt etc. Md abt 1849, Germany, Margaret HATZ. He d 26 Feb 1869 Lancaster. Margaret HATZ b. abt 1827, Baden, Baden, Ger. D 9 Oct 1899 Lancaster.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4751 Surname: Schirm, Howard ------------------------- Trying to find any information on the family of John and Mary Schirm who lived on Center Street in 1880. On 1880 Federal Census it says John (from Wuertemburg) was 35 and Mary (from Hesse)was 29 and they had three children, Mary, John and Adam. Adam is my great-grandfather and he married Grace Howard (father George Howard and mother Mary Wolz), also from Pittsburgh, in 1899 in Buffalo, NY. My grandmother, Elsie, was born to them in 1900 in Allegheny City. Trying to locate anyone who knows of either the Schirms or Howards.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4750 Surname: ------------------------- I NOTICED YOU THE NEWCOMER NAME LISTED AMONG YOUR SURNAMES.DID THE NEWCOMERS YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT LIVE IN CLEARFIELD & INDIANA COUNTIES? THE TOWNS WOULD BE SYDNEY, CURRYRUN, BURNSIDE AND POSSIBLY PENN TOWNSHIP. MY GRANDFATHER GEORGE SAMUEL NEWCOMER AND HIS BRIDE MERTE AGNUS MILLER WERE MARRIED IN SYDNEY. THE MOVED UP TO ERIE COUNTY IN 1920'S. HIS FATHER GEORGE WASHINGTON NEWCOMER LIVED IN CURRYRUN. WHEN HE DIED HE WAS BURIED IN BOWER CEMETERTY IN MAHHAFFEY. HIS FATHER WAS SAMUEL NEWCOMER. WE ARE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON SAMUELS' FATHER. HIS NAME WAS POSSIBLY JOHN OR NATHANIAL. PS. MY MOTHER SPOKE IN WHAT THEY CALLED DOUBLE-DEUTCH UNTIL THE DAY SHE DIED.(NORMA NEWCOMER-CURRIER)

In Francis Parkman's book "The Conspiracy of Pontiac" (I'm reading from 9th ed., l899) he publishes "evidence against the Indians of Conestoga...." "Abraham Newcomer, a Mennonist (sic) declared that several times within these few years, Bill Soc and Indian John, two of the Conestogue (sic) Indians, threatened to scalp him for refusing to mend their tomahawks...." This is part of a longer deposition involving others and was attested to Feb. 28, l764. Just FYI --Dixie in Indiana

Hi All, I just wanted to let everybody know about the great book I just bought! The Book reads like a who's who of the early Pa. families!!!!! It is called "The Indian Wars of Pennsylvania" by C. Hale Sipe. It's "An account of Indian Events in Pennsylvania, of The French & Indian War, Pontiacs War, Lord Dunmore's War, The Revolutionary War, and the Indian Uprising from 1789-1795." It is subtitled "Tragedies of the Pennsylvania Frontier" & is based primarily on the Penna. Archives & Colonial Records. This is the 2nd edition including supplement & corrections & is 908 pgs. long including index. It is available through the Erie, Pa. Maritime Museum's Shipwright Shop & is reasonably priced at about $30.00 including tx & shipping. For more info you can contact Lee Kosinski (she runs the museum shop) at email addy: lkosinski@team.org. (first letter of email is L) Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

Can you send me in the right direction? I am hunting informatikon on my Wagners, Schuees, Rea/eeders and Fryburgers. They lived in Frederick and Carroll County, Md. before, during and after the Revolutionary war. The Fryburgers lived in Penn.---I think Lancaster or Snyder Co. Ginger

Can you send me in the right direction? I am hunting information on my Wagners, Schuees, Ree/eaders and Fryburgers who lived in Frederick and Carroll County, Md. before during and after rhe Revolutionary War. The latter name lived in Penn. They moved onward to Clermont Co., Ohio. Ginger