In a message dated 5/25/00 3:28:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kkreisher@yahoo.com writes: << From: kkreisher@yahoo.com (Ken Kreisher) To: REDSKI9136@aol.com Sorry, but she is right. In earlier English, the word "Dutch" included the Germans. >> Hi Ken, The key -word here is (included ), that did not make the Dutch, German. Thank You, Mary Jane

In a message dated 5/25/00 4:40:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Simibev writes: << Mary Jane Cathy was right. The Pa. Dutch were German, the Dutch coming from the word Deustch. That spelling may be wrong but the info is correct. There is a website that explains it much better than I could but I can't find the link. Hubby played around with the computer and I have lost some of my bookmarked sites. GRRRRR!!!!! Luv him anyway. :) Bev >> Hi Bev, Sure hope you can find that web site. Sure would like to read what it has to say. Thank You, Mary Jane

In a message dated 5/25/00 6:39:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, o2bab@bedford.net writes: << Yes Ma'am. The Pennsylvania Dutch who are proud to be so in PA even today - and many still speak our form of German ARE NOT DUTCH FROM NETHERLANDS. >> Hi, I think you need to research your source material as well. And there is no reason to shout at me. That is uncalled for. As far as being proud, I come from 12 generations of PA, farmers in Chester Co. and I am very proud. And yes the Dutch are from the Netherlands. I have also been PA-DUTCH, all my life. And speaking a form of German, does not make it German. The true Pa-Dutch are the Amish. And we all know they don't tell stories. And you must not be Amish or you would not be speaking at all. So yes Ma'am, I think you need to do some more research, before deciding that you are the final say, in the matter. Thank You, Mary Jane

Please excuse my ignorance, but are we not talking about names that the English speaking settlers gave to the non-English speaking immigrants from the Continent? We should realize that Deutsch (and variations) is not the same as Dutch. Larry Noah - larmil-1@att.net Listowner for Rootswebs lists: NCOrange-L, BrickChurchNC-L, BEARSE-L, NOAH-L and BELK-L

In a message dated 5/25/00 7:43:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, beejay@crosslink.net writes: << Huh? The Dutch in Pennsylvania Dutch stands for Deusch=German for German. The Dutch you are researching just ain't the same thing. Barbara >> Hi, I really think you need to recheck your source material. The Dutch are from the Netherlands . And Germany, was not even there when the original Dutch came to PA. Dutch is Dutch---German is German. Thank You, MJ

-----Original Message----- From: REDSKI9136@aol.com <REDSKI9136@aol.com> To: PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com <PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [PaDgo] NEWCOMER SURNAME Yes, Mary Jane, I am afraid you are wrong. I have a number of Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors, and none of them came from Holland. Mine were Dunkers (Brethren) although they probably came here as something else, perhaps Amish of Mennonites, but almost surely Anabaptists of some kind. Most of those we so identify came into Pennsylvania in the 1700's, although the first group founded Germantown in the late 1600's. The heavy immigration came into the eastern counties of PA after 1710 from the Palitinate (Rhine Pfalz). They were called "dutch" because they spoke Deutsch (German). Germany is of course, still called Deutschland by the Germans. My father and his best friend always called one another "Dutch", referring to their German ancestry, even though my father was half Scotch/Scotch Irish. The Holland Dutch first came here earlier, settling as we all know from our American history, New Amsterdam. Indeed, they were not then, and never were, to my knowlkedge called "Pennsylvania Dutch--just Dutch, or Hollanders. I went down and checked my Columbia Viking Desk Encyclopedia to make sure I was not mistaken about what exactly PA Dutch means, and confirmed the above description. The encyc. has a more extended discussion. Mary Alice >In a message dated 5/25/00 8:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >o2bab@bedford.net writes: > ><< Can't resist replying! PADutch are those Germans who came early into PA >and > spoke German (Deusch). My Berger ancestors came in 1744 and my grandmother, > b 1870 still spoke German, or rather PA Dutch, which is a form of German > understood somewhat in Germany (as we somewhat understand those from Alabama > and Boston!) >> > >Hi Cathy, I have been researching the Dutch for a long time. My research >says that the Dutch are from the Netherlands. Most did have some type of >German dialect, but they did not speak German per say. The Dutch also did not >come to PA., as PA-DUTCH. They were simply Dutch. The Pa. was added on after >they came to Pennslyvania. If you feel I am wrong, please correct me. > > Mary Jane > > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi, I am looking for info, on my family surnames. Riggins Crosby Funk Miles Ottey Sharpless Wilson Wilimziby Kuntz Matlack Thank You, Mary Jane

Minuit, Peter b. c. 1580,, Wesel, Kleve [Germany] d. June 1638, Caribbean Sea Minuit also spelled MINNEWIT, Dutch colonial governor of New Amsterdam who is mainly remembered for his fabulous purchase of Manhattan Island (the nucleus of New York City) from the Indians for a mere 60 guilders. Though probably of French or Walloon ancestry, Minuit wrote in Dutch and was a deacon in the local Dutch Church in his hometown of Wesel in Germany. In 1625 he left Wesel, perhaps in flight from the Spanish who had occupied the town, and from Holland he sailed to the Dutch colony of New Netherland. He apparently returned to Holland the same year, for in January 1626 he sailed westward again, arriving at the mouth of the Hudson River on May 4, 1626. On September 23 the Dutch West India Company named him director general of the colony on Manhattan. To legitimize European occupation of the territory, he called together the Indian sachems and persuaded them to sell the entire island for a handful of merchandise--mostly trinkets. On the southern tip he founded New Amsterdam, building a fort around which the early Dutch settlers could make their homes. In 1631 Governor Minuit was recalled to Holland, presumably for granting privileges to the patroons at the expense of the Dutch West India Company. A few years later he entered Swedish service and was given command of two vessels of mainly Swedish colonists, who established (March 1638) New Sweden--the first settlement on the Delaware River. There Minuit again purchased land from the Indians and built Fort Christina (later Wilmington). On a trading expedition soon after to the island of Saint Christopher in the West Indies, Minuit was lost at sea in a hurricane. source info Encyc. Britta. 2000 MJ

New Sweden only Swedish colony in America, established by the New Sweden Company in March 1638 and captured by the Dutch in 1655. The first expedition, including both Swedes and Dutchmen, was commanded by Peter Minuit, who purchased land from the Indians and named the settlement Fort Christina (later Wilmington, Del.) in honour of Sweden's queen. Johan Printz, who became governor in 1643, established additional settlements during his 10-year rule and attempted to deal with the Dutch, who considered the Swedes competitors and interlopers. He was succeeded in 1654 by Johan Claesson Rising, who arrived with more colonists and forced the Dutch to surrender Fort Casimir. The next year a Dutch force under Peter Stuyvesant laid siege to Fort Christina and compelled New Sweden's surrender. The Swedish colonists were allowed, however, to keep their lands and possessions and continue their customs. source info Encyc. Britta. 2000 MJ

Pennsylvania History Swedes were the first European settlers in the area that was to become Pennsylvania. Traveling up the Delaware from a settlement at the present site of Wilmington, Del., Governor Johan Printz of the colony of New Sweden established his capital on Tinicum Island in 1643, within the boundaries of modern Pennsylvania. Other Europeans, principally the Dutch, established trading posts within Pennsylvania as early as 1647, although the Swedes remained at Tinicum until 1655. In that year, rivalry and fighting between the Dutch and the Swedes led Peter Stuyvesant, governor of New Netherland, to seize New Sweden. Dutch control of the region ended in 1664, when the English seized all of New Netherland in the name of the Duke of York. The Quaker colony In March 1681 King Charles II of England signed a charter giving the region to William Penn in payment of a debt owed by the king to Penn's father, Admiral Sir William Penn. The charter, which was officially proclaimed on April 2, 1681, named the territory for Admiral Penn and included also the term sylvania ("woodlands"), as the younger Penn requested. William Penn intended that the colony should provide a haven of religious tolerance for his fellow Quakers. While still in England, he drew up the first of his "frames of government" and sent his cousin, William Markham, to establish claim to the land and also to establish the boundaries of what became the city of Philadelphia. Penn arrived in 1682 and called a General Assembly to discuss the first Frame of Government and to adopt the Great Law, which guaranteed freedom of conscience in the colony. Under Penn's influence, fair treatment was accorded the Indians, who responded with friendship in return. When Penn returned to England in 1684, the new Quaker province had a firmly established government based on religious tolerance and government by popular will. source info ENCYC.BRITTA.2000 MJ

Pennsylvania Dutch (from German Deutsch, or Deitsch, "German"), 17th- and 18th-century German settlers in Pennsylvania and their descendants. They now live largely in Lehigh, Berks, Lebanon, Lancaster, and York counties. Some groups still speak a German dialect, known as Pennsylvania Dutch or Pennsylvania German (Pennsylfawnish Deitsch), and much larger numbers retain such elements of their traditional culture as a special cookery (e.g., shoofly pie, a pie of molasses and dough crumbs) and distinctive decorative motifs, including geometric hex signs painted on barns and floral patterns stenciled on furniture and housewares. Most Pennsylvania Dutch are thoroughly assimilated and live lives scarcely different from the life of other Americans. Some groups, notably the Amish, however, wear plain, old-style clothing, drive horse-drawn buggies, and live according to relatively strict religious principles. The liberal and tolerant principles of William Penn's government in colonial Pennsylvania attracted a large flow of immigrants from the Rhine country of Germany. The immigration began with the Mennonite Francis Daniel Pastorius, who came to Pennsylvania with some German Quakers in 1683 and founded Germantown, the pioneer German settlement. The early German settlers were for the most part members of the smaller sects who came and settled as groups--Mennonites, Amish, Dunkers, or German Baptists, Schwenckfelders, and Moravians. After 1727 the immigrants were mostly members of the larger Lutheran and Reformed churches. Their farming skills made their region of settlement a rich agricultural area. By the time of the American Revolution they numbered about 100,000, more than a third of Pennsylvania's population. Soure info Encyc. Britta. 2000 Note that the early Dutch, were the Amish and other groups like them. MJ

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The term Pennsylvania DUTCH is a corruption of the word DEUTSCH meaning German. All you have to do to "be Pennsylvania Dutch" is to live in that state and be from a German-speaking group; i.e. from one of the early Germanic states such as Hesse, Prussia, or Switzerland, or Alsace, etc. While it is true that many of the Pa Dutch settlers sailed from Rotterdam, that was just the nearest port for them. Very few Netherlanders settled in Pennsylvania. My family always said anyone with a German accent spoke "kind of Dutchy." Also used for children who were still lisping or using baby talk. Double Dutch is when they turn the jump rope really fast! Jan Hall Pa Dutch on both sides, so maybe I'm the Double Dutch.

I am by no means an expert. I believe many of our ancestors who arrived in the 1700's actually came from the Netherlands - that is where the ship departed, not where they actually lived. Where they actually lived was in that particular part of Europe. As I understand there was no Germany at that time. A number of my ancestors were from the Rheinland Pfalz (Rhineland Palatinate) area of what is now Germany. The confusion of origin is not unusual. In other lines (not PA-Dutch) I have ancestors who were thought to have come from Great Britian. Further research revealed that they came from mainland Europe with a stop in Britain. Larry Noah - larmil-1@att.net Listowner for Rootswebs lists: NCOrange-L, BrickChurchNC-L, BEARSE-L, NOAH-L and BELK-L ----- Original Message ----- From: <REDSKI9136@aol.com> To: <PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [PaDgo] NEWCOMER SURNAME > In a message dated 5/25/00 8:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > o2bab@bedford.net writes: > > << Can't resist replying! PADutch are those Germans who came early into PA > and > spoke German (Deusch). My Berger ancestors came in 1744 and my grandmother, > b 1870 still spoke German, or rather PA Dutch, which is a form of German > understood somewhat in Germany (as we somewhat understand those from Alabama > and Boston!) >> > > Hi Cathy, I have been researching the Dutch for a long time. My research > says that the Dutch are from the Netherlands. Most did have some type of > German dialect, but they did not speak German per say. The Dutch also did not > come to PA., as PA-DUTCH. They were simply Dutch. The Pa. was added on after > they came to Pennslyvania. If you feel I am wrong, please correct me. > > Mary Jane

My Shoemaker's came from the Alasace-Lorrain region of Germany/France so would they have had a different dialect than PA Dutch? Just curious as I know they spoke German. Thelma Shoemaker Tomlinson REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/25/00 8:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > o2bab@bedford.net writes: > > << Can't resist replying! PADutch are those Germans who came early into PA > and > spoke German (Deusch). My Berger ancestors came in 1744 and my grandmother, > b 1870 still spoke German, or rather PA Dutch, which is a form of German > understood somewhat in Germany (as we somewhat understand those from Alabama > and Boston!) >> > > Hi Cathy, I have been researching the Dutch for a long time. My research > says that the Dutch are from the Netherlands. Most did have some type of > German dialect, but they did not speak German per say. The Dutch also did not > come to PA., as PA-DUTCH. They were simply Dutch. The Pa. was added on after > they came to Pennslyvania. If you feel I am wrong, please correct me. > > Mary Jane > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

First Generation -------------------------------------------------- 1 Michael Newcomer. Born 23 Jan 1799 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Died 1 Apr 1881 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Buried in Dunkard Cem, Washington, MD. He married Martha Krotzer, 17 Nov 1836 in Washington, MD. Second Generation -------------------------------------------------- 2 Henry NEWCOMER PN212bp. Born 1772 in Bareville, Lancaster, Pa. Died 15 Mar 1828 in Beaver Creek, Wash., MD. Buried in Beaver Creek COB, MD. He married Elizabeth BP Funk. 3 Elizabeth BP Funk. Born 1 Apr 1776 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Died 17 Mar 1854 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Buried in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Third Generation -------------------------------------------------- 4 Henry NEUKOMMET PN21. Born 31 Dec 1744 in Bareville, Lanc, Pa. Died 14 May 1795 in Wash., MD. Buried in Beaver Creek COB, Wash., MD. He married Garver Barbara GERBER, About 1766 in Wash., MD. 5 Garver Barbara GERBER. Born 25 Dec 1746 in Pa. Died 14 Feb 1818 in Wash., MD. Buried in Beaver Creek, Wash., MD. 6 Rev. John Funk. Born 24 Jul 1748. Died 18 Dec 1803 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. He married Barbara Rowland. 7 Barbara Rowland. Born About 1753 in Lancaster, PA. Died About 1810 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Fourth Generation -------------------------------------------------- 8 Wolfgang Img. NEUKOMMET PN2. Born About 1710 in Langnau, Bern, SWZ. Died 4 Mar 1771 in Bareville, Leacock, Lancaster, Pa. He married Elizabeth Weaver WEBER WB2835, Before 1744 in Bareville, Lancaster, Pa. 9 Elizabeth Weaver WEBER WB2835. Born Before 1724 in Pa or, Europe. Died 1774 in Bareville, Lancaster, Pa. 12 Henry MD FUNK ML2676.2. Born 1722 in Strasburg twp, Lanc., Pa. Died Jul 1787 in Marsh Head, Funk farm, Wash., MD. He married Susanna SIMON, After 1740 in Pa or MD. 13 Susanna SIMON. Born 1726 in Europe or, Pa. Died 1783 in Marsh Head, Funk farm, Wash., MD. 14 Jacob Rowland. Born 1726. Died 1794 in Washington, MD. Buried in Marshhead Cem, Washington, MD. He married Elizabeth Martin. 15 Elizabeth Martin. Born 6 Apr 1727 in Palatinate, GERMANY. Buried in Marshhead Cem, Washington, MD. Fifth Generation -------------------------------------------------- 16 Peter NEUKOMMET PN 532. Born About 1685 in Langnau, SWZ. Died 29 Jan 1732 in Leacock, Lancaster, Pa. He married Katharina BLAZER, 27 Apr 1704 in Europe. 17 Katharina BLAZER. Born About 1685 in SWZ. 18 Henry Weaver WEBER WB283. Born About 1690 in Neustadt, Germany. Died May 1745 in Weaverland, Lanc, Pa. He married Maudlin bp KENDIG KA3541. 19 Maudlin bp KENDIG KA3541. Born About 1702 in Germany. Died 1758 in Lancaster, Pa. 24 Jacob ML2676 FUNK FH176. Born About 1695 in Bonfield, Germany. Died 3 Dec 1746 in FredrickCo, va. He married Francis -, Before 1720. 25 Francis -. Born About 1695. Died 1758 in va. 26 Isaac SIMMONS SIMON. Born About 1700115 in Europe. Died in Pa. He married Magdalena Simons -, Before 1722. 27 Magdalena Simons -. Born About 1701115 in Europe. Died in Franconia, Pa. 28 Hannes Rowland. Born Before 1705 in ,,,SWZ. He married Mary Ann -. 29 Mary Ann -. 30 Hans Heinrich Creek MARTIN 14. Born 1701 in SWZ. Died 1784 in Weaverland, Lancaster, Pa. He married Anna OBERHOLTZER nfr. 31 Anna OBERHOLTZER nfr. Born About 1701 in SWZ. Died in Lanc, Pa. Sixth Generation -------------------------------------------------- 32 Wolfgang NEUKOMMET 53. Born 27 Oct 1650 in Eggiwil, Bern, SWZ. He married Verena SCHENK, 23 Jan 1674 in Eggiwil, Bern, SWZ. 33 Verena80 SCHENK. Born About 1641 in Eggiwil, Bern, SWZ. 36 Hans John Anton WEBER WB28. Born 10 Jan 1658 in Baretswil, Zurich, SWZ. Died 17 Dec 1724 in Lanc, Pa. He married Maria Margaretha HERR. 37 Maria Margaretha HERR. Born About 1658 in Baretswil, Zurich, SWZ. Died After 1725 in Lancaster, Pa. 38 Hans Jacob KUNDIG KA354. Born 2 Jul 1671 in Auslikon, Paffikon, SWZ. Died 1735 in Strasburg twp, Lanc., Pa. He married Susanna WYMAN, 24 Apr 1703 in Dubendorf, Zurich, Germany. 39 Susanna WYMAN. Born 1674 in SWZ or, Germany. Died 1714. 48 Heinrich Manor FH17 FUNK FH17&ML267. Born 1643 in Mettmenstetten, Zurich, SWZ. Died Before 1729 in new Strasburg, Manor, Lancaster, Pa. He married Fronica -, Before 1675 in Germany. 49 Fronica -. Born Before 1655. 60 Christian Img. MARTIN 1. Born 1669 in SWZ. Died 1759 in Lancaster, Pa. He married Ells Elsbeth -. 61 Ells Elsbeth -. Born About 1672 in SWZ. Died After 1732 in Lancaster, Pa. Seventh Generation -------------------------------------------------- 64 Wolfgang NEUKOMMET 5. Born 1620 in Eggiwil, Bern, SWZ. 66 Michael_Sr SCHENK AnaB. Born 22 Jun 1590 in Eggiwil, RothenbachParish, CantonBern. Died in Ibersheim, Pfalz, Germ. He married Anna STAUFFER, About 1620 in chdn-Eggiwil. 67 Anna STAUFFER. Born About 1600 in Eggiwil, Rothenbach, Bern, SWZ. 72 Heinrich WEBER WB2. Born 1621 in SWZ. Died After 1670. He married Elsbeth RUGGIN, 26 Jan 1641 in Baretswil, SWZ. 73 Elsbeth RUGGIN. Died Before 1670. 76 Hans Heinrich KUNDIG KA35. Born 1641 in Pfaffikon, SWZ. Died 6 Apr 1720 in Pfaffikon. He married Dorothea SCHARER, 30 Mar 1663 in Pfaffikon, SWZ. 77 Dorothea SCHARER. Born About 1641 in Pfaffikon, SWZ. Died Before 1680 in Pfaffikon, SWZ. 96 Heini FUNK FH1. Born About 1612 in Mettmenstetten, Zurich, SWZ. Died 1663 in SWZ. He married Katharine MEILI ML26, 20 Aug 1634 in Mettmenstetten, Mettmenstetten, Zurich, SWZ. 97 Katharine MEILI ML26. Born 1612 in Stallikon, Ebertswil, Zurich, SWZ. Died 6 Apr 1681 in Ober Mettmenstet, Zurich, SWZ. Eighth Generation -------------------------------------------------- 132 Ulrich SCHENK AnaB. Born About 1565 in Eggiwil, Eggiwil, C. Bern, SWZ. He married Anna A. RYTZ. 133 Anna A. RYTZ. Born 1568 in Eggiwil, Signau, C. Bern, SWZ. 134 Andreas STAUFFER AnaB. Born Before 1572 in SWZ. He married Adelheid SCHNEIDER. 135 Adelheid SCHNEIDER. Born Before 1572 in SWZ. 144 George WEBER WB. Born About 1578 in Zurich, SWZ. Died After 1649 in Muhlekram, SWZ. He married Elsbeth SCHNEBLI, Before 1621 in SWZ. 145 Elsbeth SCHNEBLI. Born 1 May 1593 in Affoltern, Zurich, SWZ. Died Before 1633 in SWZ. 146 Uli RUGGIN. Born About 1600 in Hinterberg, SWZ. 152 Jorg KUNDIG KA3. Born 1598 in Pfaffikon, SWZ. Died After 1650. He married Barbel HUFFELLBERG, Before 1636 in Auslikon, Pfaffikon. 153 Barbel HUFFELLBERG. Born Before 1608 in SWZ. Died After 1650. 192 Jacob FUNK FH. Born Before 1594 in Mettmenstetten, Zurich, SWZ. He married Anna NAF, Before 1612 in Zurich, SWZ. 193 Anna NAF. Born Before 1594 in Zurich, SWZ. 194 Hans AnaBMin MEILI ML2. Born 1583 in Altenberg, Birmensdorf, Zurich. Died About 1652. He married Elsbeth HOCHSTRASSER, 1603 in Birmensdorf, Zurich, SWZ. 195 Elsbeth HOCHSTRASSER. Born Before 1585 in Landikon, SWZ. Ninth Generation -------------------------------------------------- 290 Jacob SCHNEBLI. Born Before 1575 in SWZ. Died in Affoltern, Zurich, SWZ. 304 Peter KUNDIG KA. Born About 1565 in Auslikon, SWZ. Died After 1601 in Paffikon, SWZ. 388 Jacob MEILI. Born About 1560 in SWZ. Reference Note 80 Sherk-Shirk from FamilyHart@aol.com to Jack Clopper 1/1/98 Margaret Newcomer.ged with connections to Eggiwil Schenk / Stauffer. Reference Note 115 Wenger, Daniel Lee; Wenger site: http://hum14.ucsc.edu/ Jack Clopper, 420 South Fairfax St., Alexandria, VA 22314; 703-548-4111 Reference Note 80 Sherk-Shirk from FamilyHart@aol.com to Jack Clopper 1/1/98 Margaret Newcomer.ged with connections to Eggiwil Schenk / Stauffer. Reference Note 115 Wenger, Daniel Lee; Wenger site: http://hum14.ucsc.edu/ Jack Clopper, 420 South Fairfax St., Alexandria, VA 22314; 703-548-4111

In a message dated 5/25/00 9:12:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RogerCubs@aol.com writes: << Subj: [PaDgo] NEWCOMER SURNAME Date: 5/25/00 9:12:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: RogerCubs@aol.com To: PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com Anyone have a connection to this Newcomer family? Roger Cramer Peoria, AZ Descendants of Michael Newcomer 1 Michael Newcomer b: in Washington Co., MD d: March 1881 Age at death: ? .. +Martha Krotzer b: in Lancaster Co., PA >>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Cramer, It looks like I do! I was so sure that I had no Michael NEWCOMER's that I almost deleted you query without checking. While my Newcomer material from others and the quality is quite high. I have FUNK's around Beaver Creek -- thus the reason I have this group. I'm not a Newcomer that I know of. Your Beaver Creek Newcomers lead back to Ibersheim, Pfalz and Eggiwil, Bern and are also connected to my SCHENK, STAUFFER, SIMONS, FUNK, WEBER, KENDIG, MEILI (one of your GM's is sister to "Martin the Chronicler" an Anabaptist historian who contributed to the Martyrs Mirror). You also inherit some MARTIN, ROWLAND & OBERHOLTZER, lots of early Mennonites and Brethern. Here are Michael's parents and siblings: Husband: Henry NEWCOMER PN212bp - ------------------------------------------------ Birth: 1772 Place: Bareville, Lancaster, Pa Death: 15 Mar 1828 Place: Beaver Creek, Wash., MD Burial: Place: Beaver Creek COB, MD Education: Other Data On This Desc Line From Yvonne Wyrick To Jc 5.97 Father: Henry NEUKOMMET PN21 (1744-1795) Mother: Garver Barbara GERBER (1746-1818) - ------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------ Wife: Elizabeth bp Funk - ------------------------------------------------ Birth: 1 Apr 1776 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 17 Mar 1854 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Burial: Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Father: Rev. John Funk (1748-1803) Mother: Barbara Rowland (1753-1810) - ------------------------------------------------ Children... - ------------------------------------------------ 1. F Child: Sarah Newcomer Birth: 6 Jan 1796 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 8 Jul 1851 Occupation: 58 Has More Desc. Spouse: John F Tulley Marriage: 28 Feb 1818 Place: Washington, MD - ------------------------------------------------ 2. M Child: John Newcomer Birth: 18 Dec 1797 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 21 Apr 1861 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Burial: Place: Dunkard Cem, Washington, MD Spouse: Catherine Newcomer Marriage: 12 Dec 1822 Place: Washington, MD - ------------------------------------------------ 3. M Child: Michael Newcomer Birth: 23 Jan 1799 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 1 Apr 1881 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Burial: Place: Dunkard Cem, Washington, MD Spouse: Martha Krotzer Marriage: 17 Nov 1836 Place:,Washington, MD - ------------------------------------------------ 4. F Child: Nancy Newcomer Birth: 14 Nov 1801 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 29 Apr 1882 Place: Washington, MD Burial: Place: Rosehill Cem, Hagerstown, MD Spouse: John Jr Tice Marriage: 17 Mar 1821 Place: Washington, MD - ------------------------------------------------ 5. M Child: Henry BP Newcomer Birth: 29 Jan 1804 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 29 Nov 1888 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Burial: Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Spouse: Mary Ann Seibert Marriage: 23 Oct 1828 Place: Washington, MD - ------------------------------------------------ 6. F Child: Barbara Newcomer Birth: 12 Jan 1807 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 15 Feb 1833 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Burial: Place: Dunkard Cem, Washington, MD Spouse: John King Marriage: 5 Apr 1832 - ------------------------------------------------ 7. F Child: Elizabeth Newcomer Birth: 27 Nov 1808 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 15 Dec 1879 Place: Washington, MD Burial: Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Spouse: John Keller Marriage: 24 Apr 1828 Place: Washington, MD - ------------------------------------------------ 8. F Child: Mary Newcomer Birth: 22 Sep 1811 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 28 Dec 1884 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Burial: Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Spouse: Samuel Emmert Marriage: 4 Feb 1830 Place: Washington, MD - ------------------------------------------------ 9. M Child: William Newcomer Birth: 4 Nov 1815 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Death: 11 Mar 1858 Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Burial: Place: Beaver Creek, Washington, MD Wife's Notes... - ------------------------------------------------ Notes: 41 desc are Betsy Payette data; other family belongs to 58 Yvonne Wyrick. Last Modified: 26 May 1997 Reference Note 41 Betsy Payette, letter to Jack Clopper, 14 October, 1996: "Concerning the FGS #650, I agree with everything except I have another child (the third child) Susanna FUNK (1754-1788) who married Andrew SNIVELY (1751-1813)." Reference Note 58 Yvonne Wyrick, Owings Mills, MD paf.bak 5/97 to jc MW626@aol.com Jack Clopper, 420 South Fairfax St., Alexandria, VA 22314;

In a message dated 5/25/00 8:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, o2bab@bedford.net writes: << Can't resist replying! PADutch are those Germans who came early into PA and spoke German (Deusch). My Berger ancestors came in 1744 and my grandmother, b 1870 still spoke German, or rather PA Dutch, which is a form of German understood somewhat in Germany (as we somewhat understand those from Alabama and Boston!) >> Hi Cathy, I have been researching the Dutch for a long time. My research says that the Dutch are from the Netherlands. Most did have some type of German dialect, but they did not speak German per say. The Dutch also did not come to PA., as PA-DUTCH. They were simply Dutch. The Pa. was added on after they came to Pennslyvania. If you feel I am wrong, please correct me. Mary Jane

Hi again All!, Do to a pricing error by one of the Volunteers (not me thank heavens,LOL!) The price on the Sipe book "The Indian Wars Of Pennsylvania" is $34.95 +tax and shipping & not $30.00 including as I had previously posted. I will (of course voluntarily) be reimbursing the Museum shop for the price difference next time I get down there & consider it well worth it! I do appologize for any inconvenience that this info may have caused anybody. Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

Would like to know the best place to find an index and information for a census in PA for the years 1870,1880, and 1890. In other words, I would like to find out how to find the right film for my pursuit? Ron Richardson