According to information I have from my grandfather, our Moser liner can be traced back to a Michael Moser who came here from Switzerland in 1751 and settled in Pennsylvania. My gggrandfather, Peter Moser was born in Northampton County (date estimated from 1850 census would be 1796 or 1797). My ggrandfather is Osiah Moser (b. 1823, Northampton County). I am looking for information that would help me identify Peter's Parents. Peter married Magdalena Horlacker (b. 188; daug, Daniel) in 1822. In the later 1830's the family moved to Ohio. Marilyn CT FawnTrail@aol.com wrote: > > I am surprised your ancesters came as late as 1751. I was under the > impression most came around 1730. > > The P.A. German Society should be a great source for those of German Decent > in with PA Roots. > > I belonged to the P.A.. German Society for several Years. Then I lost trak > and had mail returned. I am sorry that I do not know the curent address. > > It is a quality society and puts out some great books. Members used to get a > free book with their membership. > > Thanks for the info > > Chas Musser > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

An excellent source of information on the many books of Annette Burgert can be found on this web search site: www.google.com Type in the search block: Annette K. Burgert You will find all manner of interesting links and other information of value. Try google for other searches -- you will find that it is probably the best

In a message dated 5/26/00 9:35:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, beejay@crosslink.net writes: << Mary Jane, I didn't notice any English in your list of ancestors. >> Hi Barbara, My Timothy Riggins left England in the 1600's and went to Ireland. He was somehow associated with Bantry Castle. He left Ireland, also in the 1600's and came to America.My family has never said anything about being English. But I do keep in mind that England was also a country that controlled other countries. It controlled, France, Scotland and Ireland. My PA roots are deep and my family is buried all over, Chester Co and Del, Co. . My familys farm was on Shilo Rd. in Westown. Mary Jane

Mary Jane, I didn't notice any English in your list of ancestors. A couple names I saw make me think they may have been English. And since you say your family has been in Chester County, I'm wondering if they might have been Quakers. Check out the Yarnall/Yarnell website, you may find one or two listed. One or two of them got into my PA Dutch line. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: PADUTCHgenONLY-D-request@rootsweb.com <PADUTCHgenONLY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: PADUTCHgenONLY-D@rootsweb.com <PADUTCHgenONLY-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 26, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: PADUTCHgenONLY-D Digest V00 #119

I am surprised your ancesters came as late as 1751. I was under the impression most came around 1730. The P.A. German Society should be a great source for those of German Decent in with PA Roots. I belonged to the P.A.. German Society for several Years. Then I lost trak and had mail returned. I am sorry that I do not know the curent address. It is a quality society and puts out some great books. Members used to get a free book with their membership. Thanks for the info Chas Musser

I do have a Mackey connection: were yours Catholic, and were they from the vicinity of Elizabethtown? Joanne > At 2000.05.26 12:22, Phil Knox wrote: > >"Eighteenth Century Emigrants from the Northern Alsace to America" by > >Burgert mentions on page 193 a JAMES MACKEY as one of two excecutors of > >the will of Frederich Gelbach of Maytown, Lancaster Co., PA. Will dated 16 > >Dec 1797. > > Just how many volumes did Burgert write? > > I have seen Vol 1: The Northern Kraichgau, and Vol 2: The Western > Palatinate. These do not look ahead to the future and tell me which other > volumes she would eventually publish. > > Which volume covers Northern Alsace? And can you list all the volumes for > us? They are very valuable research aids. > > Thanks, > Chuck > > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

YOU SAID IT JOAN THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND Daniel C. Kline, Jr

At 2000.05.26 12:22, Phil Knox wrote: >"Eighteenth Century Emigrants from the Northern Alsace to America" by >Burgert mentions on page 193 a JAMES MACKEY as one of two excecutors of >the will of Frederich Gelbach of Maytown, Lancaster Co., PA. Will dated 16 >Dec 1797. Just how many volumes did Burgert write? I have seen Vol 1: The Northern Kraichgau, and Vol 2: The Western Palatinate. These do not look ahead to the future and tell me which other volumes she would eventually publish. Which volume covers Northern Alsace? And can you list all the volumes for us? They are very valuable research aids. Thanks, Chuck

Mary Jane.. I am going to play diplomat here <grin>. The term "Pennsylvania Dutch" as used most often on this list refers to those descended from the ..German.. imigrants of colonial Pennsylvania. But you are also correct. There were (are) "Netherland" Dutch in Pennsylvania. They could easily be called "Pennsylvania Dutch" by someone, since they are of Dutch ancestry and live in Pennsylvania. But most (including themselves) DO consider the term "Pennsylvania Dutch" as referring to those of Germanic (commonly none - Netherlands Rhineland) Ancestry and not Netherlands ancestry.. This e mail list is meant primarily for research directed at this form of "PA-Dutch". To add to the confusion, most of these people traveled down the Rhine to the Netherlands to get passage on the ship to America. Sometimes they lived for months and even years in the Netherlands trying to get passage, but hey did not originate there. Phil .......................... Phil (pknox@earthlink.net) For some family genealogy, great links, & just plain fun... visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~pknox/

"Eighteenth Century Emigrants from the Northern Alsace to America" by Burgert mentions on page 193 a JAMES MACKEY as one of two excecutors of the will of Frederich Gelbach of Maytown, Lancaster Co., PA. Will dated 16 Dec 1797. Hope this helps.. Phil .......................... Phil (pknox@earthlink.net) For some family genealogy, great links, & just plain fun... visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~pknox/

In a message dated 5/26/00 10:02:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Halltall@aol.com writes: << The term does refer to any Germanic-speaking peoples who live in that state, which includes the Amish and Mennonite, and also the Moravians, the Lutherans, the Presbyterians, Dunkards, German Catholics, Swiss, Alsatian, German-speaking Quakers. Jan Hall >> Hi Jan, t Thank you for your reply. I will research further. MJ

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=4763 Surname: REISWIG, REISWICK, REISSWIG, REUSSWIG, EBERHARD, MILLER, FLICK, AESCH, EBERT, STEINER, MACK, HORNER, MUELLER, WEISS, ROTH, ERB, DORSCHEIMER, GEORGE, PAFF, BERGMAN, MICHEL, BAIER, WEDNECHT, LINN, SCHEIDEL ------------------------- I've heard that gathering sponsor information at German baptisms can help to determine related families, or close ties. I hope this is true with my PA Dutch REISWIG family. My ancestor Johannes REUSSWIG/REISSWIG came to PA in 1742 on the ship Francis and Elizabeth. Johannes is the only REISWIG family listed in early PA records. As far as I can guess he was single when he came, married twice, and had five children. I'm searching for clues as to where he came from in Germany. His first wife is unknown, she died then he remarried a second time to Creth ERB at Great Swamp Reformed Church, Lower Milford abt 1750. I have not been able to locate baptism records for Johannes Reiswig's five children. What I have is a list of baptism where Johannes Reiswig or his children were listed as sponsors. I'm looking for any evidence of relationship to these other listed families, or for clues for place of origin for the Reiswig family. Johannes lived in Upper Milford twp, and also had property in Allen town. His son lived in Moore twp. I have placed an abbreviated church name after each event JOHANNES REUSSWIG/REISSWIG, sponsor at 1761, bapt of Andreas BAIER, son of Andreas and Dorothea, Montgomery Co., PA (St. Paul's Red Hill) 1761, witness to will of Peter LINN, Montgomery Co., Witnesses: John Riswick, Andrew Beyer (his mark), David Shultze. date unknown, witness to a will of John SCHEIDEL, Philadelphia; no date; father John SCHEIDEL, of Eich in the Palatinate in Germany; money owed him by Andrew KRUMBAUER; witnesses, John REISSWICK, Jacob WETZEL and Andrew Boyer; Administration to Jacob WITZEL......." ______________________________________ JOHN REISWIG, Jr., oldest son of Johannes REISSWIG. John married Catherina Margareta ROTH bef 1766, Dau of Nicholas & Susanna ROTH. John is a sponsor at the following baptisms: 1778 Joh. ROTH, son of John and Elis. ROTH (Salem) 1782, Catherine ERB, dau of Ludwig & Anna Maria (Salem) 1784, Martin DORSCHEIMER, son of Samuel & Christina (Salem) 1794, Peter & Marg. PAFF, twins of Heinr. & Magd. (Salem) 1796, Abraham MICHEL, son of John & Elis. (Salem) ____________________________________ Conrad Reiswig, married abt 1795 to Anna Maria "Mary" and was a sponsor at the following baptisms: 1768, Conrad EBERHARD, son of Peter (Great Swamp) 1787, Catherine MILLER, dau of Conrad and Margaret (Stone) 1794, Lydia FLICK, dau of Martin & Barbara (Stone) In Nescopeck, Luzerne County he and wife were sponsors at: 1811, Johannes AESCH, Christian & Elisabeth 1811, Maria WEDNECHT, dau of Matthias & Elisabeth __________________________________ Elizabeth REISWIG, dau of Johannes Reisswig, was a sponsor at the following baptism: 1767, Joh. Georg KAUFMANN, son of Joh. & Hanna (St. Paul's) - ----------------------------------- Susanna Reiswig, youngest dau of Johannes Reiswig, and his 2nd wife Creth Erb. Susanna married Joh. Georg HORNER in 1772, and was a sponsor at the following baptisms: 1768, Susanna EBERT, dau of Adam and Anna Barbara (St. Paul's) 1769, Susanna STEINER, dau of Georg STEINER (Great Swamp) 1776, Susanna MACK, dau of Georg MACK (Great Swamp) 1788, Joh. Georg MUELLER, son of Dietrich MUELLER (Great Swamp) 1793, Elisabeth WEIS, dau of Jacob (Great Swamp)

In a message dated 5/26/00 4:23:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pknox@earthlink.net writes: << To add to the confusion, most of these people traveled down the Rhine to the Netherlands to get passage on the ship to America. Sometimes they lived for months and even years in the Netherlands trying to get passage, but hey did not originate there. Phil >> Hi Phil, Thank you for your reply. I will research this aspect of it, a little more. Mary Jane

In a message dated 5/26/00 10:34:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, PADUTCHgenONLY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Let me add a little more history. As someone else has said, almost all of the German speakers who came here in the 1700's left the Continent from Rotterdam because they were from the kingdoms and pricipalities of what is now southern Germany. (Germany wasn't unified until the later 1800's, so there was no Germany then), or Switzerland or Lorraine. >> Hi All, I apparently have missed most of the fun <<G>> while answering emails for lookups. I have a question. My Ancestors (Lenzi became Lantzy at the Port of Philadelphia) came from a part of Switzerland (Wallbach, Kanton Aargu) that was Austria until 1813 & Then became (& still is) Swiss. They immigrated to Pa. in 1816. Would they be considered Pennsylvania Dutch? What about my Lehmer/Leamer/Lamer's who immigrated from Germany in the mid 1700's? Also if anybody has a connection to either of these families I would be delighted to hear from you. Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant SURNAMES: Anderson, Como, Hasselor, Heintz, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), Lydick (Leidig), McAnulty, McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain, Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Wygant.

In a message dated 5/26/00 4:23:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pknox@earthlink.net writes: > I am going to play diplomat here <grin>. > > The term "Pennsylvania Dutch" as used most often on this list refers to > those descended from the ..German.. imigrants of colonial Pennsylvania. Phil's reply is an excellent one, and I think also a good one to bring this discussion to a close. Thanks, Phil! Joan

>Hi, I have been watching all the MISINFORMATION on here long enough. The >PA Dutch were German speaking immigrants from now Germany and Switzerland >that came to America in the 1700's at the invitations of the William Penn >folks. They did not come on Holland Dutch ships. They came down the Rhine >and boarded English ships and sailed to England were they waited, >sometimes a year, to cross to America. No ships from any other country >were allowed to land in English America. These facts are easy to support >on MANY web pages, just do a search for Pennsylvania Dutch. >I am 100% PA Dutch since my ancestor settled in Lancaster county, PA in >1752. He came down the Rhine to Amsterdam then to Plymouth England and on >to the port of Philadelphia. > >At 10:15 PM 05/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>A Good Source for translating German Language to English language: >>http://world.altavista.com/ >> >>If you translate Deutsch in German to English you get German. >> >>Many of the German settlers came to America on ships that were owned by the >>Dutch, but Dutch does not always mean a native of Holland. Dutch is the >>English pronunciation of the German word Deutsch, meaning German. When the >>word became a part of the written language of America the spelling >>conformed to the English manner. >>The words that follow are English words in the German Language: >>God - Gott >>God's Love - Gott lieb >>Saviour - der Heiland Retter >>Church - die Kirche >>Bible - Bibel >>sin - suende >>Nagel - nail >>I Love You - ich liebe dich >>child - das kind >>English - englich >>United States of America - das Amerika >>Do you speak German - Sprechen Sie Deutsch >> >>My (German) Booe Family arrived in 1738 in PA. >> >>C. Booe >> >>CBOOE@yadtel.net >> >> >>============================== >>Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >>RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >>http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi Dan Daniel Gensemer REINHOLD III Clinton Computer Consultants RR 4 Box 45 Mill Hall, PA 17751-9622 Voice phone (570) 748-3201 Internet dreinhol@cub.kcnet.org Founder of The Millbrook Playhouse. Go to: http://www.centredaily.com/justgo/onstage.htm Then page down and select Millbrook Playhouse. Founding member and President, Clinton County (PA) Genealogical Society http://www.kcnet.org/~history/ Reinhold Genealogy Homepage - http://cub.kcnet.org/~dreinhol/index.html and http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dreinhol Genealogical Surname Searching: REINHOLD, Lancaster County. PA, 1752 - now also variants REINOEL, REINHOLT, REINHOLDT, REINWALD AMWEG, WENGER, WALTER, GENSEMER, Lancaster County, PA, 1700s MUSSER, GLISSEN, - SE PA. 1840 - now MACK, MOCK,- NE PA, 1880 - now Shake any family tree and a few nuts will fall.

Dear Jack and List, I have been following the NEWCOMER discussion with interest. One of my "brick walls" at the moment is Margaret NEWCOMER b Abt 1740 [Cocalico Twp], [Lancaster], PA. See #3 below You show in your Ahnentafel Henry NEUKOMMET PN21. Born 31 Dec 1744 in Bareville, Lancaster, Pa. As you can see I also have a BAER connection. My question is: Do you know of any siblings for Henry, especially a Margaret? Glen Brunskill, Burlington, Ontario, Canada AHNENTAFEL CHART 25 May 2000 Page 1 ============================================================ ===== 1st GENERATION 1 Mary BAER (BAEHR)-81: b 23 Jan 1772 [Cocalico Twp],[Lancaster],PA, USA; d 29 Oct 1842 [Blair],[Waterloo],Ontario,Canada - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2nd GENERATION 2 Henry BAER-4874: b 1735 [Cocalico Twp],[Lancaster],PA,USA; m Abt 1760 [Cocalico Twp],[Lancaster],PA,USA; d 1810 [near Carlisle], Cumberland,PA,USA 3 Margaret NEWCOMER-4875: b Abt 1740 [Cocalico Twp],[Lancaster],PA, USA; d Abt 1804 [Brecknock Twp],[Berks],PA,USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3rd GENERATION 4 Michael BAER-10518: b 1705; d Bef 17 Feb 1770 of Hammer Creek, Cocalico,Lanc., PA,USA 5 Magdalena [SP BAER]-11040: b Abt 1710; d 1791 Cocalico Twp., Lancaster,PA,USA ============================================================ ===== Message text written by INTERNET:PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com > First Generation -------------------------------------------------- 1 Michael Newcomer. Born 23 Jan 1799 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Died 1 Apr 1881 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Buried in Dunkard Cem, Washington, MD. He married Martha Krotzer, 17 Nov 1836 in Washington, MD. Second Generation -------------------------------------------------- 2 Henry NEWCOMER PN212bp. Born 1772 in Bareville, Lancaster, Pa. Died 15 Mar 1828 in Beaver Creek, Wash., MD. Buried in Beaver Creek COB, MD. He married Elizabeth BP Funk. 3 Elizabeth BP Funk. Born 1 Apr 1776 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Died 17 Mar 1854 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Buried in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. Third Generation -------------------------------------------------- 4 Henry NEUKOMMET PN21. Born 31 Dec 1744 in Bareville, Lanc, Pa. Died 14 May 1795 in Wash., MD. Buried in Beaver Creek COB, Wash., MD. He married Garver Barbara GERBER, About 1766 in Wash., MD. 5 Garver Barbara GERBER. Born 25 Dec 1746 in Pa. Died 14 Feb 1818 in Wash., MD. Buried in Beaver Creek, Wash., MD. 6 Rev. John Funk. Born 24 Jul 1748. Died 18 Dec 1803 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. He married Barbara Rowland. 7 Barbara Rowland. Born About 1753 in Lancaster, PA. Died About 1810 in Beaver Creek, Washington, MD. <

> The true > Pa-Dutch are the Amish. While all Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, not all Pennsylvania Dutch are Amish. The term does refer to any Germanic-speaking peoples who live in that state, which includes the Amish and Mennonite, and also the Moravians, the Lutherans, the Presbyterians, Dunkards, German Catholics, Swiss, Alsatian, German-speaking Quakers. Jan Hall

http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ This website explains PA Dutch very well. --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: REDSKI9136@aol.com To: PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:58:34 EDT Subject: Re: [PaDgo] NEWCOMER SURNAME Message-ID: <f.44e1553.265f344a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/25/00 4:40:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Simibev writes: << Mary Jane Cathy was right. The Pa. Dutch were German, the Dutch coming from the word Deustch. That spelling may be wrong but the info is correct. There is a website that explains it much better than I could but I can't find the link. Hubby played around with the computer and I have lost some of my bookmarked sites. GRRRRR!!!!! Luv him anyway. :) Bev >> Hi Bev, Sure hope you can find that web site. Sure would like to read what it has to say. Thank You, Mary Jane ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Booe <CBOOE@yadtel.net> To: PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com <PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:21 PM Subject: [PaDgo] Deutsch = German Let me add a little more history. As someone else has said, almost all of the German speakers who came here in the 1700's left the Continent from Rotterdam because they were from the kingdoms and pricipalities of what is now southern Germany. (Germany wasn't unified until the later 1800's, so there was no Germany then), or Switzerland or Lorraine. There was no Atlantic port in these places. The cheapest way to get to one was by ship down the Rhine to its end at Rotterdam. These people then had to go to England to get a ship for the Colonies, (Cowes was a common port of departure), because the merchantalistic laws of England permitted only "English bottoms" (ships) to carry goods and people to and from the Colonies. This is one of the things that Adam Smith railed against in the Wealth of Nations, published in 1776. (These restrictive laws were one of the chief complaints of the colonists. You could send beaver pelts, for instance to England and order a beaver hat from there, but you could not make beaver hats in the Americas.) People are listed in the ships lists as "whole freights", and so they were, back-haul freight at that. That is why passage was cheap--the people were ballast! The important cargo was the raw materials going from the colonies to England. This round-about- way of getting here often meant that families who believed they had ample funds in fact ran into trouble because they had to spend more time in England waiting for a ship than they expected. Also some of the ship's captains were little more than thieves; they sometimes broke into the immigrants chests, stole their goods and pitched the trunks overboard. They all-too-often did not carry enough fresh water and food to last the voyage. Many of our forebears had to put one or more of the family into indentures when they arrived to finish paying for their passage. Mary Alice >A Good Source for translating German Language to English language: >http://world.altavista.com/ > >If you translate Deutsch in German to English you get German. > >Many of the German settlers came to America on ships that were owned by the >Dutch, but Dutch does not always mean a native of Holland. Dutch is the >English pronunciation of the German word Deutsch, meaning German. When the >word became a part of the written language of America the spelling >conformed to the English manner. >The words that follow are English words in the German Language: >God - Gott >God's Love - Gott lieb >Saviour - der Heiland Retter >Church - die Kirche >Bible - Bibel >sin - suende >Nagel - nail >I Love You - ich liebe dich >child - das kind >English - englich >United States of America - das Amerika >Do you speak German - Sprechen Sie Deutsch > >My (German) Booe Family arrived in 1738 in PA. > >C. Booe > >CBOOE@yadtel.net > > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >