Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5054 Surname: seibert ------------------------- my grandfather was paul seibert of easton, pa. He was married to Viola Brotzman. If anyone has any info on either, I would really appreciate it.

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Thanks for sharing this story. I found it very interesting indeed! Sound like you did your homework in researching & it has paid off in spades! Cathy Raber, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: <PADUTCHgenONLY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PADUTCHgenONLY-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: PADUTCHgenONLY-D Digest V00 #152

Does anyone have any idea of where Aprenticeship and trade Guild records miight be located. I think a vast number of our German ancesters became craftsman. Especially the younger sons who would by custom not inherit the farm. I have read some articles where there was a reward posted for young apprentices who ran away from the abusive craftsman to whom they were apprenticed. I would think PA would have had a rax or something on them. Suggestions???? Chas. Musser ( looking for Hatters Guild?

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5053 Surname: Gram, Cram ------------------------- Heinrich Gram was in Lancaster, Pa. then moved to Tusc. Co., Ohio. He was born April 1758 in Pfalz, Germany. In 1804 we find him in Tusc. Co., Ohio. He died in 1815. I thought this sounded about the same timeline and you had the name of Gram in your surname listing. SA

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Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5052 Surname: Ault ------------------------- Lydia Thomas Ault b.abt 1825 was the wife of Abner William Ault of Ohio. I have no information on her. Abner William traces back to Valentine Ault. Their 1st born child was named Margaret Ault. (obviously not yours)

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5051 Surname: DEVAULT, LAYNE, LANE ------------------------- I am searching for information on Johann Jacob DEVAULT married to Barbara Weidner. According to EARLY SETTLERS OF LEE COUNTY, VA AND ADJACENT COUNTIES, by Bales he is listed as Jacob, but states he was baptized Johann Jacob and is listed as being born in 1755 to , son of Johannes Michael and Maria Barabara SCHMIDTIN DEVAULT. Would anyone have information on this Jacob. Willing to share the information I have. Thank you.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5050 Surname: shulmire ------------------------- Pennsylvania dutch...I've spoken with two others regarding Charles and Erwin. I don't believe that they are part of Jacob's line(I an the sixth gen of Jacob.) , but any info that I come across, I try to send to them, hopefully leads. Sorry.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5048 Surname: Weaver ------------------------- I am looking for John T. Weaver who married Emily Barns...some of their children ended up in Maryland, but don't know where John and Emily originated from...Pat

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5047 Surname: Ault Shrake Schrake ------------------------- Frederick Shrake b 1766, Loc ukn married Margrat Ault (unproven) he had the following children born in Penn. loc ukn.Mary Shrake b July 1791 m Henry divan,Susan Shrake b 1793 i Pa. m. Goodrich, Jacob Shrake born July 1796 in Pa. married Polly Mowery, 2d wife of Jacob Lydia Thomas Ault, a widow.Catherine Shrake b. Jan 1797 in Pa. Married John Divan, George Shrake B 1801 Pa or Oh. family went to Ohio about 1801 and most went to Wis. about 1840, I do not know if they were Dutch or German or where in Pa they lived I have heard Eastern, in the 1810 and 1820 Census there were some Shrake in Sommerset Co but can't connect them.

Searching for the couple John Grumlauf, farmer, resident of Lancaster County 30 Aug 1828 when married Maria"Polly" Bingaman . They were residents of Cumberland Co. in 1837 from her father's estate. I find a Rev. J.H. Greenleaf listed on the tax rolls of Cumberland Co in 1838. Does you think this is the same man? Has anyone seen him in their records? They were married by Rev. Daniel Hertz a Reformed minister. Ann in Oklahoma

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5046 Surname: MILLER, STRUBEL ------------------------- Seeking information on aancestry of Sarah Evangeline MILLER, daughter of Elva May STRUBEL of Lancaster County, probably Paradise area.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5045 Surname: MILLER, ROTE, HERSHEY, FLORY ------------------------- I am seeking info on the family of Ezra MILLER, m. Frances Mary ROTE in early 1900's. Children: Mary (m. Roy FLORY), Ruth (m. Henry HERSHEY), George (m. Marian WARD), Ezra, & 2 more sons. Lancaster County, primarily Lancaster City, Ronks areas. Email me at Michener64@aol.com.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5044 Surname: Gradwohl, Grotz, Keim, Lerch ------------------------- I am looking for info. on Priscilla Lerch and family. She married Adam Gradwohl and was living on McCartney St.in Easton (Northampton Co.)PA in 1899. I am making an educated guess that she was born ca.1850. Family oral Hx says she helped run a "hotel" in N.J.

As I expected, ze maps yield ze clues. Elias WAgner lived in Exeter in 1750 map. He had a large piece of land in the far wouthwearn area of Exeter Zone in 1750. I guess that wasn't Exeter township yet. "This is near the border of what became Cumru, Alsace and Exeter Townships". His neighbors are Heinrich Werner, ISaac Levan, James Lewis of Cumru twp, Daniel Messerschmidt (Messersmith), Johannes Lebo, and Johannes Bishop. Most of those are very strong Keim and Schneider clan names, and some specifically appeared rather closely related to Henry and Elizabeth Wagner. I will now have to see where Johannes Wagner of Cumru got his land from. Warner is a name somehow associated with Johannes' family though I do not yet know how. Anyhow, this Wagner family would have been most likely to marry people who lived nearby. His estate? ha, ha, ha, ha. Back to Berks County Register of Wills. He died in 1755, which is why he isn't on the 1775 map, and administration granted to his widow Margaret. I"ll have to get the records. Can anyone possibly find for me any children listed born to Elias and Margaret Wagner? And a marriage of Elias to Margaret Wagner? My source made it sound like NO Wagner lived in Exeter in 1775. Yet lots of Wagners did live there only slightly later - a George Wagner, whose wife was Susanna, in 1805, and widow Catherine Waggoner in 1815, whose children did not include Henry. Though for some reawson Isaac Levan adn William Brown, both Keim/Schneider clan names, were witnesses. Also, Frederick Guthard of Exeter, who died in 1791, claimed to have two daughters who married Wagners; Catharina, widow of Isaac WAgner, deceased, and Magdalena, wife of Elias Wagner, still living and clearly not the one who died in 1755, and almost certainly related to the Elias who died in 1755. The only other reference I found to an Elias WAgner is that there was an Elias Wagner son of Johan Adam WAgner of Ruscrombmanor; he was left the land where his father was currently living - I guess in Ruscombmanor. One witness to the will was Jacob Schneider. That was 1773. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5043 Surname: Hilyer ------------------------- I am descendant of Zenos Hilyer, whom I understand was Pennsylvania Dutch. Zenos Hilyer settled in King Township, York Co., Ontario near Newmarket, Ontario.

Someone posted to the KEIM list that the "Oley Valley Heritage: The Colonial Years" (not "Annals of the Oley Valley", which I confused it with), has a series of property maps in the back for just three townships - Exeter, Oley, and Amity, or the land that became them - for 1725, 1750, and 1775. I don't know if possibly this same book contains property maps of other towns, like Alsace. But it seems as if such maps must exist if they exist for Exeter, Oley, and Amity. If anyone has access to such maps, can you please look up for me where any and all Wagners of Exeter and Alsace lived, and also Johan Nicholas Gottschall (estate, by 1775, in 1750, the land would have belonged to his father if it existed.) I keep hearing about a great big Wagner spread in Exeter. EVERYONE knows where it was until ten years ago, atleast everyone in the adjacent townships, who can also see the spire of Spies Church. It was in the family for hundreds of years. Noone knows how I would find anyone who lived there and might have genealogical knowledge about the family, of course. My knowledge about Henry Wagner's wife is coming together, if my knowledge about the Gottschall's isn't - and I can put the following together. Henry, b about 1740, and brother Johannes who got a farm in Cumru, b 1751, strongly appear to have come from Exeter and to have had close family ties to the Keim, Schneider, and Ritter families among others. Spotty records prove conclusively that WAgners lived in Exeter from before 1750. At times a widow may have owned the fmaily farm. There may have been more than one family farm in Exeter. Though noone has any clue who this family was - I've heard a great deal about every Wagner family in Berks County who did NOT live in Exeter. I am aware that a Henry Wagner is on the 1790 census in Reading next to names of John Jacob Wagner from Herbrechtingen and his family (they all became Burkett's and there was no Samuel or Phillip); this more than likely is the same Henry Wagner who died in Reading in 1816. I have his will, and unless he was peculiar indeed he is not the same Henry Wagner as he left everything to a single widowed sister and did not mention any other living relatives though Barbara daughter of my Henry was alive and thriving in Alsace township. Henry WAgner "of Exeter" married Sophia Seiwertin, or Seifert, on Dec 14 1769. Apparently she didn't do well, and I'm willing to bet that any child of the marriage died at teh same time she did. Henry Wagner got married again, on Apr 2, 1771, to Elizabeth, widow of Johan Nicholas Gottschall. In 1775, they had my ancestor, Barbara. In 1784, they had the only one of their children who anyone has so far found in Berks County church records; Susannah. The deeds indexes for Berks County do not show Henry Wagner owning any land. They did as I asked and also copied alternate spellings of Wagner. I cannot find any record of his or his wife's deaths or burial anywhere. Also, they apparently left no wills and no probate. But Wagner children of both Alsace and Exeter were marrying in Reading church records between 1790 and 1810, and one of them, my Barbara, was listed as "of Alsace" when she married PHilip Burkhart, who had a big farm in Alsace that he got from Samuel Burkhart in 1798, Samuel having gotten it around 1794, in 1804. This Johan Nicholas Gottschall was baptized in Germany in 1740, don't know if he was an infant at the time, his aprents landed in Philadelphia in 1747. He was the son of Christopher or Christophel Gottschall. He was naturalized in Alsace township, Berks County, in 1761. He married Elizabeth Nuss, daughter of John Jacob Nuss, name spelled every possible way that includes a N at the beginning and an S at the end, Sept 12, 1758, by a REading minister. Johan Nicholas Gottschall died in Reading, and on May 23, 1770, Elisabeth Gottschall, his widow, was appointed administrator of his estate. Don't know why she alone was appointed administrator, it was unusual for a man's wife to be administrator. She had sole control over that estate. It'll be interesting to see what kind of reports she made to the court about the estate! People who lived in Reading so soon after it grew rapidly after the formation of Berks County in 1752, were usually prosperous farmers with big farms in the surrounding townships. ASsuming that in 12 years of marriage they had children, this estate was in probate for atleast the next ten years. Someone else descended from that family already sent for the records, they could reveal much. It'll be several weeks before I see it. I suspect that Henry Wagner and wife Elizabeth lived on land that belonged to the estate of Johan Nicholas Gottschall, could be that formally speaking, one of the latter's sons inherited it! Apparently, NIcholas Gottschall lived in Alsace township when he was naturalized in 1761, possibly on a farm that belonged to his father, Christopher Gottschall, and Henry Wagner's daughter Barbara lived in Alsace when she married in 1804. Therefore, I bet that Henry Wagner and wife Elizabeth formerly the widow of Johan Nicholas Gottschall, lived in what had been Nicholas Gottschall's farm in Alsace township. Can someone please, pretty please, look up for me, all property in Exeter and Alsace owned by WAgners on all 18th century property maps you can get your hands on - 1750 and 1775 would be ideal. I want to know the names of Wagners owning land in these towns, the location of the land, and the names of the adjacent landowners. Also, I'd like to know about all Gottschall land in Alsace and Exeter. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5042 Surname: Hershey ------------------------- What are your sources? Look at the 3 volumes of Strassberger and Hinke. Look at PA Mennonite Heritage Mag, Look at Mennonite Family History Mag. Who are the children of each. When were they born? Look at land records. look at books on the Hershey family. work back from some known ancestor.

Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5041 Surname: Dinch ------------------------- I am looking for a copy of the article Dinch Family in America which appeared in Keyhole, Vol. 21 Issue 4, October 1993. Can anyone help? Thanks.