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    1. [PaDgo] Free Ancestry.com Databases
    2. Forgive me if this has already been posted to this list, but does everyone know that ALL of Ancestry.com databases are free through July 31?

    07/20/2000 06:37:53
    1. [PaDgo] background of Johannes HILL, b 1711, Frankenthal, Germany
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Hey, I notice that Johannes Hill, whose descendants also intermarried often with the entire Schneider, Hoch and Keim clan and also lived next door to both Elias Wagner and Philip Burkhart, came from Frankenthal. Not the only person I've gotten info about in the past couple of days who was from Frankenthal. Do he and those Moravian founders have anything else in common? Does anyone know his background? How did he come to have the name Hill, and he was German? I expected that both he and the Bishop guy were English. I did have an ancestor named Levering, came from Muelheim, Germany, near the Dutch border - his people spent two generations in Holland after leaving England during one of the Catholic Stuart reigns. Levering is a place in Suffolk County, near the eastern coast of England, near a port that tens of thousands of English Puritans sailed from for Holland. I do see there were people named Heyl around, pronounced roughly, "Hill"; they could have anglicized their name, but I see it "Johannes Hill" at Rootsweb genconnect. That's a funny way and funny timing for anglicizing a name! Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    07/20/2000 10:24:04
    1. [PaDgo] Check this out - Ephrata web sites
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Here are some good web sites on the Ephrata Cloister: http://www.cob-net.org/cloister.htm http://www.corbis.com/jefferson/amer/amerPA02.html http://paturnpike.com/traveler/summer98/page-7.htm http://home.att.net/~long.hair/gallery/saal.html http://home.att.net/~long.hair/gallery/saron.html http://www.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Historical_Museum/BHSM/toh/ephrata/ephratacloister.htm http://home.ptd.net/~hmsstaff/story.html Samuel Zerfan: Child of the Cloister, by Fourth Grade Class at Hinkletown Mennonite School (this one is good, folks.) Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    07/19/2000 08:37:39
    1. RE: [PaDgo] (Herb) + Oley Valley Heritage on New Born
    2. Marty Graybill
    3. Hello, If you search http://www.bookradar.com for this book "The Pennsylvania Dutch" by Fredric Klees, they have multiple copies in various conditions for purchase Marty Graybill > -----Original Message----- > From: Dora Smith [mailto:tiggernut_48@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 3:26 PM > To: PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PaDgo] (Herb) + Oley Valley Heritage on New Born > > > xi. JOHANN CONRAD LORSBACH, b. December 09, 1722, > Lampertheim, Germany; m. > SUSANNA HERB, November 17, 1748, Falkner Swamp > Reformed Church, Montgomery Co. > PA.. > > (Too bad New Born history isn't as proliferate) > > I found several answers to my postings on the New > Born - from 1998, but not the one I was looking > for. "Oley Valley Heritage", pages 106-8 > supposedly contains info on the New Born, unless > it is what is below. From which we deduce that > the Bertolet's, Levan's, Keim's, and Schneider's > all were New Born. Atleast you know where I got > that about everyone in the valley having been New > Borns. > > The ifnormation I want is the name of their > leader, adn the name of the town in Germany that, > as I remember, they all came from. If not > Geisselhardt or nearby, then the Weidner's > weren't New Born, either, since the Weidner's > came from Geisselhardt. And I still want to know > what they were. > > Yours, > Dora > > The next significant group of settlers was a > large group of acquainted or > related families from the Palatinate, including > some families of Swiss > derivation and some families of at least partial > French extraction. The first > of these people settled in the northern part of > the Oley Valley by 1712. It > is likely that most or perhaps all of these > pioneers were members of the > perfectionist 'New Born' sect. Families > constituting this large cluster of > migrants, or who soon arrived and intermarried > with them, appear to have > included those of Baumann, Bertolet, Levan, > DeTurk, Joder (spelled Yoder > today), Kühlwein, Huffnagel, Schenkel, Keim, > Schneider, Hoch (anglicized as > High), Ballie, Peter, Herbein, Weber (anglicized > as Weaver), Kersten (later > shortened to Kerst), Aschmann, Ritter, and > Kauffmann. The presence of the > French families (and exaggeration of the > proportion of French ancestry among > the people) has led over the years to frequent > reference to this group of > settlers as the "Oley Huguenots." > > > OK, I will tackle this one. The Neu-gebornen, or > Newborn, who settled in the > Oley Valley in Berks County early in the 18th > century, were one of the most > fantastic of all the religious groups. Declaring > that they were like Adam > before the Fall, they believed themselves to be > free of sin and even incapable > of sinning, an advantage Adam never possessed. > The Newborn left little mark > on the religious life of their day; few people > were simple-minded enough to > take them seriously. Honest--that is what my > books says. Hey, this is a > great topic. There are a million of these sects > in this book on the PA Dutch. > Ever hear of the New Mooners? The Millerites? > The Society of the Women in > the Wilderness? All were small religious sects > active in some area of Pa > Dutch culture. The book is called The > Pennsylvania Dutch by Fredric Klees and > is, or was, used as a text book in Lancaster > County, PA high schools. It was > published by the MacMillan Co. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM >

    07/19/2000 06:56:48
    1. [PaDgo] were the Greiners Ephroita, too?
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Gene Rooks really did an excellent job on his Weidner pages in the WorldConnect project at rootsweb. I particularly like the way he presents complete, well rounded pictures of his ancestors; none of that happy and fluffy and largely meaningless stuff. (Someone on one of these lists and I are having an argument, it is hardly the first time.) Now this guy is an ancestor I wanted to have! Seems it WAS Elizabeth's father, George Adam Weidner, and not his and Tychicus's father Hans Adam, who put those ads in the Philadelphia newspaper - too bad he didn't repeat the bone chilling tone of that runaway servant ad. The ads also weren't written in the same tone and with the same verbal sophistication - or even grammar - you'd expect of the father, who with another man circumcized each other in the Jewish tradition, which I gather they read about, even in the backwoods of the Ephrata Cloister, and who was such a good craftsman he made a cake mold with hearts and a floral motif on it that still survives. In addition to all those roof tiles. George Adam does seem to have been acquisitive enough; always building mills of one sort and another, and his ads make it clear he did also operate a tile kiln. I wish he'd done more on the collateral lines, though. He does state that Dorothea and Barbara Greiner were both born in Geisselhardt, gives dates, just like all of the Weidners. I know they came to Pennsylvania on a ship called the Dragon or someting - did they belong to the Ephrata Cloister, too? Also, I am wondering WHERE they were married - I thought in Oley, did they actually marry in Germany, and Dorothea's parents just happened to also come to Pennsylvnia? Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    07/19/2000 06:47:16
    1. [PaDgo] The Weidners were Ephrata, not New Borns. Haass?
    2. Dora Smith
    3. All kinds of wonderful things in that Rootsweb database - wasn't even tehre in 1998. The Weidners were not New Borns. They belonged to the Ephrata Cloister. Hmm... Of course. There had to be one in the barrel. Now will someone please tell me about the Ephrata Cloister. From what is below, it begins to look like ze Hans Adam Weidner was ze intense and complex person. Hans Adam Weidner was married for the first time to someone named Haass. I'd say that is a Dutch or Belgian name, probably not overcommon in Germany, most likely Anabaptist in background, since the name turns up with my ancestors in Germany. What I want to know is, was she of the same Haass family that came to Berks County? And did ze Greiners belong to ze Ephrara Cloister, too. Hans Adam Weidner was father to George Adam Weidner who married Dorothea Greiner who had Elizabeth Weidner who married John Dehart. Dora Gene's Genes-Ballentine Ancestors 1913 total entries, last updated Mon Apr 24 17:29:24 2000 Gene Ballentine Rooks <GeneRooks@prodigy.net> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This GedCom is constantly being revised and updated as new information develops and errors are discovered. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ID: I367 Name: Hans Adam WEIDNER Jr RFN: 367 Change Date: 26 APR 1999 Sex: M ATTR: ImmAnc Birth: 10 JUN 1688 in Geisselhardt, Wurtemberg, Germany Note: His birth is recorded in the Parish records at Mainhardt. Change Date: 25 APR 1999 Death: ABT 1745 in Oley Twp., Berks Co., PA Note: He is buried in the First Weidner Cemetery, in Oley Twp., PA. Change Date: 21 SEP 1995 Note: His signature first appears as Adam Weittner in 1740, on apetition to establish the township of Berks County, also signed by future North Carolina pioneer Daniel Warlick. In 1725 he was listed as a member of the Church of the Brethren. This is the community at Ephrata where Caterine Weidner, mother of Heinrich Weidner, was also a member. Records indicate he was listed as a taxpayer in Philadelphia Co. records in 1734, and was naturalized by 1743. He was a potter by trade of great skill, making unglazed earthenware of which several samples survive. The oldest unglazed piece of pottery in Pennsylvania is a cake mold with hearts and a floral motif he did. He also made roof tiles in the European manner, the most noted of which are at the Ephrata Cloister, and some other structures in Oley township in Pennsylvania. Dr. Don Yoder advises that Adam and another man influenced by the Judaizing influence of Bromley circumcized each other, for which he was criticized by the leaders of the Cloister. By his first wife, children were [BO:George Adam,:BO] Plantina, and Johannes. By his second wife, Anna Maria Haass, he had children Johann Georg, [BO:Georg Michael:BO], Maria Catharina, Tychicus, and Lazarus, all born in Germany. Father: Hans Adam WEIDNER Sr. b: EST 1650 in Wurtemburg, Germany Mother: Catharina HERRLINGER b: EST 1655 in Wurtemburg, Germany Marriage 1 Anna Maria HAASS b: EST 1695 in Mainhardt, Wurtemberg, Germany Married: 15 MAY 1714 in Geisselhardt, Wurtemberg, Germany Note: This marriage is recorded in the Parish records at Mainhardt, Germany. Anna is the daughter of [BO:Hans HAASS:BO] of Wurtemberg, Germany. Change Date: 22 SEP 1995 Children George Michael WEIDNER b: 11 DEC 1718 in Geisselhardt, Wurtemberg, Germany Johann Georg WEIDNER b: 02 DEC 1715 in Geisselhardt, Wurtemberg, Germany Tychicus WEIDNER b: 05 APR 1721 in Germany Lazarus WEIDNER b: 1723 in Germany Maria Catherina WEIDNER b: 09 NOV 1720 in Geisselhardt, Wurtemberg, Germany Marriage 2 Unknown Married: Change Date: 25 APR 1999 Children George Adam WEIDNER b: 1710 in Germany Plantina WEIDNER b: ABT 1709 in Germany __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    07/19/2000 06:19:04
    1. [PaDgo] Duncan
    2. Millie Miller
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5092 Surname: Duncan, Wickert ------------------------- Searching for information on G-grandfather, Ira Duncan. Listed on his marriage license application as being born "near Lancaster, Pa" His wife was Mary Pope. His father was Jeremiah Duncan, his mother, Emma Duncan. Don't know her maiden name. Any help will be appreciated.

    07/19/2000 05:54:01
    1. [PaDgo] Duncan
    2. Millie
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5091 Surname: Duncan ------------------------- Searching for info on g-grandfather Ira Duncan,g-g-grandfather Jeremiah Duncan. Ira listed on marriage license application as being born "near Lancaster, Pa". Have no other information at this point. Any help is appreciated.

    07/19/2000 05:49:28
    1. [PaDgo] GET READY -- more Neuborns, Bauman and Hoch !!!?!!
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Get ready, folks?!!! I wasn't even looking for New Borns anymore. I decided to help the person who is researching Herb's, since obviously either the list archives are full of Herb's, or the search engine has "Herb" thoroughly confused with "New Born". Don't quite have the answer to that, because the following turned up, under "Herb". CNIDR Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 195) ============================================================ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:24:05 -0400 From: herb-bett <herb-bett@mci2000.com> To: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <000101bdc648$655ed2a0$e64937a6@oemcomputer> Subject: Matthias Bauman Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MATTHIAS BAUMAN, father-in-law of Samuel HOCH, was born about 1680 in Lambsheim near Frankenthal in the Palatinate of Germany. About 1709-1710 BAUMAN came to America with his wife, Catherine, and only child, Sarah. They settled first in the Schoharie region along the Hudson. By 1714 they reached Oley, PA. One of the first of the Pietist sects to appear in the interior of PA was the Newborns, a group which was confined almost entirely to the Oley Valley, and MATTHIAS BAUMAN was their leader. He was the first major religious separatist. In 1723, in Oley, he prepared a tract setting forth his views; it was entitled (in German) "A Call from God to the Unregenerate World"......... This summary was prepared from material contributed by John Joseph STOUDT, a great-grandson of SAMUEL HOCH and Sarah Bauman. Betty Coller herb-bett@mci2000.com ______________________________ Now, the Hoch's were Moravians. From before they came here. Rudolph, who I nicknamed Hoch guy, and his two sons, Samuel and Johannes. They helped start the Moravian Church in Oley. Samuel was the one who donated the land for it, and he also had some kind of famous Indian spirit tree on his property. I hardly get the idea they weren't SINCERE Moravians. Plain Dutch, and all of that. So Samuel Hoch, son of Hoch guy, married the daughter of the leader of the New Born sect. I'd say this sheds new light on the New Born sect, doesn't make sense Hoch guy had a temperament compatible with being Moravian, and the New Born sect was frivolous. Anyhow, was Lambscheim anywhere near Geisselhardt? If not, I'd say the Weidners can't have been new born. Can't wait to find out where my Burkharts and Wagners fit in this clan... What does it say in Oley Valley Heritage, anyhow, besides that everyone in the valley was New Born? Anything? (I did put in an interlibrary loan request last weekend for both those Oley books, my library can't get three quarters of the books I request, doesn't matter what it is.) ...Pietist? The Moravians were Pietist, too, right? Ve begin to see ze thread zese two people (Hoch guy and Bauman) could possibly have had in common. The only mood state Moravians and New Borns would have in common, from what I currently understand of each of them, is mania. And people who carry manic depression often marry each other. My own family history is one long case study of that. It's particularly startling in my mother's lines. Both of my mothers' parents' mothers had manic depression and died insane - and it just branches off backwards from there. If these are really my ancestors. I still pretty much only know that my Wagners and Burkharts and Nuss's (that's German for nut) were genealogically meandering around them somehow. If anyone has any new light to shed on who and what the New Borns were, I'd really appreciate knowing it. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    07/19/2000 05:37:07
    1. [PaDgo] (Herb) + Oley Valley Heritage on New Born
    2. Dora Smith
    3. xi. JOHANN CONRAD LORSBACH, b. December 09, 1722, Lampertheim, Germany; m. SUSANNA HERB, November 17, 1748, Falkner Swamp Reformed Church, Montgomery Co. PA.. (Too bad New Born history isn't as proliferate) I found several answers to my postings on the New Born - from 1998, but not the one I was looking for. "Oley Valley Heritage", pages 106-8 supposedly contains info on the New Born, unless it is what is below. From which we deduce that the Bertolet's, Levan's, Keim's, and Schneider's all were New Born. Atleast you know where I got that about everyone in the valley having been New Borns. The ifnormation I want is the name of their leader, adn the name of the town in Germany that, as I remember, they all came from. If not Geisselhardt or nearby, then the Weidner's weren't New Born, either, since the Weidner's came from Geisselhardt. And I still want to know what they were. Yours, Dora The next significant group of settlers was a large group of acquainted or related families from the Palatinate, including some families of Swiss derivation and some families of at least partial French extraction. The first of these people settled in the northern part of the Oley Valley by 1712. It is likely that most or perhaps all of these pioneers were members of the perfectionist 'New Born' sect. Families constituting this large cluster of migrants, or who soon arrived and intermarried with them, appear to have included those of Baumann, Bertolet, Levan, DeTurk, Joder (spelled Yoder today), K�hlwein, Huffnagel, Schenkel, Keim, Schneider, Hoch (anglicized as High), Ballie, Peter, Herbein, Weber (anglicized as Weaver), Kersten (later shortened to Kerst), Aschmann, Ritter, and Kauffmann. The presence of the French families (and exaggeration of the proportion of French ancestry among the people) has led over the years to frequent reference to this group of settlers as the "Oley Huguenots." OK, I will tackle this one. The Neu-gebornen, or Newborn, who settled in the Oley Valley in Berks County early in the 18th century, were one of the most fantastic of all the religious groups. Declaring that they were like Adam before the Fall, they believed themselves to be free of sin and even incapable of sinning, an advantage Adam never possessed. The Newborn left little mark on the religious life of their day; few people were simple-minded enough to take them seriously. Honest--that is what my books says. Hey, this is a great topic. There are a million of these sects in this book on the PA Dutch. Ever hear of the New Mooners? The Millerites? The Society of the Women in the Wilderness? All were small religious sects active in some area of Pa Dutch culture. The book is called The Pennsylvania Dutch by Fredric Klees and is, or was, used as a text book in Lancaster County, PA high schools. It was published by the MacMillan Co. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    07/19/2000 04:26:22
    1. [PaDgo] Here's HERB and need info on the New Born
    2. Dora Smith
    3. I found this stuff on Herb's in the PABERKS list archives while looking for the answer someone esnt me to the question I posted to one of these lists some time ago about the New Born of Oley. Too bad I'm having less luck with the New Born than with Herb's. Could be more stuff in there - I wasn't looking for Herbs. I know I asked this question once before, but can anyone please give me more information on the New Born? I looked in Google. Please, noone suggest Google to me. New born lambs, new born babies, temperatures in new born babies - everything. The New Born came from some town in Germany, led by a single individual. The Weidners, who I also found described somewhere ELSE, the only web site they are on, as BOTH Brethren, AND New Borns, no clue where they got that, came from Geisselhardt, where they had lived for generations. What town did the New Born come from, and were all of them members of that original group? They are also called Neu Born (Google turns up every Neu who was ever born) and New Borns (good for more new born babies) YOurs, Dora Bob, I didn't know what I was in for when I looked for Susanna Herb on CD 166. The Herbs at Oley Hill Church must have had a little Energizer Bunny in them. You should buy that CD. CD130 Luthern Church in New Hanover, Marriages Reitenauer, Johan....Susanna Herb....Sept. 24, 1811 - ------------------------------------------------------- CD166 Schwartzwald Reformed Church 1791 October 4 - Peter Drollinger and Susanna Herb of Hereford, Berks Oley Hill Church Maria Susanna Herb daughter of Jacob and Maria Catharine, b. February 24, 1774, bapt. May 12, 1774. Sponsor: Susanna Reitenauer. Elizabeth Herb daughter of Hannes and Susanna, b. November 23, 1776, bapt. March 2, 1777. Sponsors: Erhard Weis and Elizabeth. Susanna Moser daughter of George and Sabina, b. December 27, 1784, bapt. February 13, 1785. Sponsors: George Fuchs and Susanna Herb. Jacob Herb son of John and Susanna, b. September 7, 1785, bapt. November 6, 1785. Sponsors: Henry Lehman and Eva Elizabeth Weiss. Susanna Herb daughter of Abraham and Anna, b. November 27, 1786, bapt. April 1, 1787. Sponsors: Christian Geres and Susanna Herb. Han. George Herb son of Hannes and Susanna, b. May 30, 1788, bapt. August 17, 1788. Sponsors: Hans Weiss and Catharine. Johannes Heid son of George and Elizabeth, b. October 26, 1789, bapt. March 14, 1790. Sponsors: Peter Ruthardt and Susanna Herb. Susanna Herb daughter of Solomon and Elizabeth, b. February 18, 1790, bapt. September 26, 1790. Sponsors: Friedrich Nester and Susanna Herb. Elizabeth Bernds daughter of Wilhelm and Elizabeth, b. June 27, 1792, bapt. August 26, 1792. Sponsors: Johannes Herb and Susanna. Heinrich Herb son of Johannes and Susanna, b. October 20, 1792, bapt. December 9, 1792. Sponsors: Heinrich Lehmann and Eva. Daniel Reitenauer son of Daniel and Salome, b. February 23, 1794, bapt. May 11, 1794. Sponsors: Abraham Reitenauer and Susanna Herb. Johannes H�ter [ Huter ] son of Jacob and Catharine, b. January 6, 1796, bapt. March 13, 1796. Sponsors: Joh. Herb and Susanna. Susanna Herb daughter of Daniel and Christina, b. March 12, 1796, bapt. May 22, 1796. Sponsors: Michael Lang and Susanna Herb, single. Susanna Weiss daughter of Johannes and Catharine, b. July 22, 1796, bapt. August 28, 1796. Sponsors: Hannes Herb and Susanna. Peter Herb son of Peter and Elizabeth, b. February 24, 1796, bapt. April 9, 1797. Sponsors: Michael Hillegass and Susanna Herb. Susanna Klauser daughter of Peter and Anna Maria, b. November 5, 1796, bapt. May 21, 1797. Sponsors: John Herb and Susanna. David Herb son of Johannes and Susanna, b. June 13, 1797, bapt. July 30, 1797. Sponsors: Michael Moser and Margaretha. Catharine Klausser daughter of David and Christina, b. November 17, 1798, bapt. --. Sponsors: John Herb and Susanna. Johannes Reitenauer son of Hannes and Maria Catharine, born December 1723, baptized December 26. Married Johanna Elizabeth daughter of the late Johann Herb and wife Judith, born November, 1732. Children: Maria Elizabeth, born May 17, 1752; Maria Susanna; Maria, born February 18, 1755, baptized March 16, --. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Bensing > -----Original Message----- > From: Draagor@aol.com [mailto:Draagor@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:04 AM > To: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    07/19/2000 03:57:39
    1. [PaDgo] Hocker
    2. Phylis Hawker
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5090 Surname: Hocker, Ankeney, Coy ------------------------- Andrew Hocker[Hawker] m Susanna Coy abt 1790 MD migrated to Greene Co OH - we don't have anything prior to time frame of OH - Would be interested if you find any connection to our Andrew - have names but no connection - will keep your names. Thank you Phylis Hawker, 340 Monteray Ave, Dayton, OH

    07/19/2000 02:38:08
    1. [PaDgo] Can someone please tell me Weidner's roots
    2. Dora Smith
    3. I need to get straightened out on the roots of teh Weidner family. The way I hve it, George Adam Weidner came to Pennsylvania with some older children, two of whom were Tychicus and the brother who settled I think near Lobachsville. George Adam Weidner remarried to Dorothea Greiner, and one of their children was my Elizabeth. I had it that my George Adam Weidner was the proprietor of the tile plant. I soon learned that Tychicus was the father of Susan who married the Keim. That would make her the niece of my Elizabeth. Someone wrote me that I've got that mixed up; an Adam Weidner was father to Tychicus, the other guy who settled near Lobachsville, and George Adam the father of my Elizabeth. I see from the set of lists of whose children were whose made by someone else that she sent me, that nearly every Weidner family unit had a son named Tychicus. Could someone please send me or tell me where to find the correct version of teh first three generations of that family. Even more important, does anyone know what is the story of how the Weidners came to this country, or even what faith the first of them in this country belonged to? By the mid 18th century OF COURSE they were Lutherans and Reformed unless they were very extreme indeed, everyone was. All I've seen is speculation by a Dehart 5th cousin that the Weidners were New Born. This was a sect from a single German town, whose main theology was that they had been born again and could do no sin. They appear not to have been particularly religious. They were, however, fond of picking fights with surrounding townspeople and of disrupting church meetings by starting argumetns, and one guy drowned while attempting to prove he could walk on water. They also were extremely opposed to government in any form. My cousin understood them to hvae been the principal first settlers in the Oley region and to be principally responsible for the way that region stood off officials attemting to variously count and list them, and extract taxes from them, and for similar attitudes among the people of that region to this day. >From what I've been reading about the Keim's and Schneider's and Hoch's, that cannot have been true. In fact, I'venot seen anything at allabout the New Born on this list - though noone was overeager to volunteer the information that Welsh Baptists played a large role in the history of the region, either. I also keep getting the idea that from their beginnings with Adam the tilemaker, the Weidners were a little bit nuts - but hardly in so cheerfully feisty a sense of the word. Adam Weidner the tilemaker who was going to do noone wanted to know what to whoever aided the teenaged indentured servants who continually ran away from him, I don't know in what part because their families were far away, had a feudal and rather grim emotionality. He reminds me of my father, not some happy go lucky New Borner. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    07/19/2000 11:49:13
    1. [PaDgo] Hocker surname
    2. Merry Gantley
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5089 Surname: HOCKER ------------------------- I am researching Daniel Hocker and son John A. Hocker. They were brickmakers in Harrisburg, PA. I don't know what religion they were.

    07/18/2000 07:51:28
    1. [PaDgo] Hagy surname
    2. Merry Gantley
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5088 Surname: HAGY ------------------------- Yes, the name was originally Hege. Hans Hege came from Schaffhausen, Switzerland, 1827. He married Maria Lehman. They were Mennonite and lived in Lancaster Co. My line is John Hege, Johan Peter, Peter, Henry, Joseph, Morris.

    07/18/2000 07:45:24
    1. [PaDgo] Cline
    2. Gail Tekirian
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5087 Surname: CLINE, PRICE, BOLCH, BOLLINGER ------------------------- Robert W. CLINE b.: 1 Dec.1886, d.:31 July, 1948 William Alexander CLINE (Father) Information unknown. Elizabeth BOLICK (BOLCH),(Mother) Mary Elizabeth PRICE Cleo Elizabeth BOLLINGER (Spouses of Robert)

    07/18/2000 06:47:23
    1. [PaDgo] Christina
    2. mae reiner
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5086 Surname: Kocher ------------------------- I will search further and when I come across MICHAEL I will post message Mae

    07/18/2000 04:30:45
    1. [PaDgo] Christina Kocher
    2. Tali
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5085 Surname: KOCHER ------------------------- My Christina Kocher was born 7/5/1786 and died 9/9/1861. Does this help? I am having difficulty finding her line. The only information I have thus far is that her father's name was Michael. Do you have anything on him? I have no dates. Thanks!!

    07/18/2000 03:39:49
    1. Re: [PaDgo] search for grandfather's name
    2. Art & Kay Harple Staub
    3. Melissa Allen wrote: > Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries > Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5082 > > Surname: Hagy, Faust > ------------------------- > > My grandfather's family came from Schaufhausen, Switzerland and were origionally > Penn Dutch before he married my grandmother. He converted to Catholic when > he married my grandmother. I think the name Hagy was changed from Hege > or Hage. Do you have any information on the heritage of this name? My husband > Matthew Allen and I are curently living in Hanau, Germany. His mother's > maidon name was Faust. They are from lower Germany. I am not sure of the > exact city. > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. Hi Melissa, I find the name HEGE, etc in Eppingen which I believe is in the Northern Kraichgau. This in 1732. The name in DÜHREN in 1677. The name FAUST is found ca 1733 in Langenselbold. Hope this helps, Kay in PA -- Genealogy without documentation is mythology!

    07/18/2000 02:03:42
    1. [PaDgo] "lost relatives"
    2. Rex Border
    3. Posted on: Pennsylvania Dutch Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Dutch?read=5084 Surname: ------------------------- I'm looking for my step-aunts, Judy Book or Barbara Weaver from Ephrata, PA. They are step-sisters to Russell Border, my father. Need info about grandfather and beyond for research.

    07/18/2000 01:22:16