I am looking for information on the parents of,Heinrich Young born about March 04, 1781 in or near Saucon Valley Lehigh Co. Pennsylvania died December 11, 1862 in Montgomery Co., Pennsylvania , buried at Plains Mennonite Cem.Hatfield Twp. Montgomery Co., Pennsylvania. Married first Elizabeth Freed Moyer born April 15, 1785 , died March 28, 1837 in Saucon Twp. Lehigh Co. Pennsylvania. Buried at Saucon Mennonite Cem.Lehigh Co. Pennsylvania. Second wife was Catharine Clemmer born October 12, 1800 died December 13, 1852 buried at Franconia Mennonite Cem.Franconia Twp. Pennsylvania . Children by first wife 1.Eliza Young b. ? m. Samuel Musselman b.March 06, 1819 2.Hannah Young b.? m. Samuel Musselman b.March 06, 1819 2 sd wife 3.Mary Young b. c 1810 m.Michael Shelly b. c 1815 4.Johannes Young b.May 06, 1811 d.September 13, 1819 bu.Saucon Mennonite Cem. 5.Joseph Young b.July 27, 1813 d.September 07, 1819 bu.Saucon Mennonite Cem 6.Sarah Young b.November 15, 1815 d.October 08, 1912 m.Henry Musselman b.May 16, 1814 bu.Franconia Mennonite Cem.Franconia Twp .Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania 7.Heinrich Young,Jr. b.October 17, 1816 d.August 25, 1819 bu.Saucon Mennonite Cem. 8.Lydia Young b.July 03, 1821 d.April 20, 1890 m.Joseph Schueck b.September 27, 1819 bu.Franconia Mennonite Cem.Franconia Twp .Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania 9.Charles Young b.Abt. 1822 m.Sarah Nice Souder b.April 12, 1831 Stanford L.Landis ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Hi I'm looking for more information on Edith Godshalk ( dates ,parents ),Dates of children their spousces places they lived ,George and Edith lived in Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania Stanford L.Landis 1 George Hagey b: in Franconia Twp. Penna. d: in Towamencin Twp.Penna. * +Edith Godshalk 2 Elizabeth Hagey 2 Edith Hagey 2 Anna Hagey * +Joseph Kratz 2 Jacob Hagey 2 George Hagey,Jr. 2 John Hagey d: 1849 * +Anne Kulp 2 Nancy Hagey b: September 24, 1816 * +Abraham Detweiler Moyer b: October 04, 1811 d: September 17, 1861 Father: Jacob Moyer Mother: Sarah Funk Detweiler m: January 28, 1838 3 Ezekiel Hagey Moyer 3 Elizabeth Hagey Moyer 3 Franklin Hagey Moyer 3 Jacob Hagey Moyer 3 Abraham Hagey Moyer 3 Henry Hagey Moyer 3 John Hagey Moyer 3 Mary Hagey Moyer 3 Anna Hagey Moyer 3 Mahlon Hagey Moyer 3 Theodore Hagey Moyer 3 Sarah Hagey Moyer b: October 05, 1842 d: June 25, 1918 Burial: Franconia Mennonite Cem.Franconia Twp .Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania * +Samuel Young Musselman b: December 24, 1838 d: March 12, 1898 Father: Henry Musselman Mother: Sarah Young m: March 01, 1862 Burial: Franconia Mennonite Cem.Franconia Twp .Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania 2 Daniel Hagey b: April 26, 1817 d: March 14, 1853 * +Catharine Yocum ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I would like more information on Henry and his children ( Places , dates , things they did ) . Also anything on the other you might have . Thanks Stanford L.Landis 1 Henry Ruth b: 1690 in Wolfsheim, Germany d: 1756 in New Britain Twp. Bucks County, Penna. * +Madlen (Ruth) ? 2 David Ruth d: 1820 ** +Catharine (Ruth) ? 3 Catharine Ruth *** +Jacob Ruth b: 1785 d: 1822 Father: Henry Ruth Mother: Anna Yelles 3 Michael Ruth d: 1842 *** +Elizabeth B. Hendricks Father: Leonard L. Hendricks Mother: Catharina Boorse 3 David Ruth,Jr. *** +Elizabeth Atherhold 3 Sopia Ruth 3 Magdalena Ruth *** +Andrew Ruth 3 Jacob Ruth *** +Margaret Delp Father: Abraham Delp Mother: Barbara H. Clemmer 3 [1] Mary Ruth b: May 13, 1777 d: August 12, 1835 in Rockhill Twp. Penna. *** +Matthiss Rittenhouse b: 1770 d: 1832 *2nd Husband of [1] Mary Ruth: *** +Isaac Derstine,Jr. b: March 16, 1774 in Rockhill Twp. Penna. d: December 16, 1821 in Rockhill Twp. Penna. Father: Isaac Dirstine Mother: Catharine Delp m: September 10, 1796 3 Joseph Ruth b: June 19, 1795 d: March 27, 1835 *** +Ann Souder 2 John Ruth 3 John Ruth d: August 01, 1807 2 Christian Ruth 2 Abraham Ruth 2 [2] Henry Ruth,Jr. b: Abt. 1718 in New Britain Twp. Bucks County, Penna. d: Bef. 1766 ** +Elizabeth Hunsicker b: Abt. 1720 Father: Valentine Hunzicker Mother: Ruth ( Hunsicker) ??? 3 Valentine Ruth b: Abt. 1740 d: 1783 *** +Ann/Nancy Wismer Father: Henry Wismer *2nd Wife of [2] Henry Ruth,Jr.: ** +Barbara Ziegler Father: Micheal Ziegler Mother: Kathatarina Schrager m: Abt. 1744 3 Michael Ruth b: 1745 d: 1831 2 Andrew Ruth b: 1730 ** +Margaret Swartz Father: Andrew Swartz 3 Henry Rutt b: 1760 *** +Anna Maria Jung b: 1766 2 Cornelius Ruth b: Abt. 1736 d: 1779 ** +Mary Wireman 2 Mary Ruth b: 1737 2 Jacob Ruth b: October 1748 d: September 15, 1821 ** +Mary ( Ruth) ??? d: November 09, 1838 3 Jacob Ruth b: November 08, 1782 d: April 20, 1871 *** +Maria Schlichter Oberholtzer b: March 24, 1784 d: June 19, 1863 Father: Joseph Oberholtzer Mother: Susanna Yost Schlichter m: May 22, 1806 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Gregory, I found some folks by or somewhat by the spelling you listed to have inter-marreid with the HARTING/HARDING/HARTUNG of western Berks County and eastern Lancaster County, PA the spelling make go by Berkenhauser or even Perkenhouser etc. Interestred? I do believe they did move WEST. D. Ernest Weinhold [email protected] Hartung researcher (plus many other surnames) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Hi: Julianna was the daughter of Jacob and Anna Catharine Long. She had 9 siblings. Jacob Long, Longswamp April 24, 1807 Proved August 22, 1807 Provides for wife Anna Catharine. Names children: Frederick, Abraham, Daniel, Michael dec'e (leaving unnamed children), Elisabeth married to Jacob Groh, Maria Catharina wife of Jost Miller, Maria Juliana dec'd wife of George Geist, leaving a son Jacob Geist, Jacob and Henry. Exs: Abraham and neighbor John Weiler. Wit: Henry Howerter and Jacob Walb. Hope this helps, Brenda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DeVault, Gross, Kitzmiller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3dB.2ACI/1401.39.3243 Message Board Post: I would like to know what information you have on Jacob DeVault and Mary Kitzmiller. They are names in my line. And I am trying to confirm recent information that I have received. Would love to hear from you. Thanks.

Hi - I am looking for any information on the descendants of William BERKHEISER/BERCKHAEUSER, who came to American on September 26, 1753. He settled in Berks Co., PA in the Windsor Twp. area. His descendants later moved in Schuylkill Co., PA. The majority of them lived in the South/North Manheim Twps. Around 1850 or 1860 a large number of the members of this family migrated west to Indiana. Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated! Gregory

>to the researcher doing the LONG family: I've been hoping to find some information on my grandmother's great-great-grandmother, Julia LONG, who died bearing her second child. She had married George GEIST, possibly in Long Swamp, Berks county, about 1788 or 1789. Do you know anything of Julia, or of her parents or sisters and brothers? All I have is her name, and the two children, and her death in 1798 at Howerter's church, Northumberland county. Any information at all would be welcome. Suggestions about where I should try to find more information also would be welcome. I've made the assumption that no death certificate would be available that far back, especially without a day or month to use in searching a county or state file. Is it likely a records search could turn her up? George GEIST is listed as a veteran of the war of 1812, which I find very interesting. He would have been 42 then and such records I've checked indicated he was one of the oldest privates enlisting from PA. He appears not to have remarried. Thanks for your help, Ashley >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3dB.2ACI/473.3279.3501.1.1 > >Message Board Post: > >We are looking for info on Susanna Heffelfinger born April 24, 1836, >married to Andrew Jackson Long in Pennsylvania. They had William >Wilson, Mary Rosanna, Finley, James Montgomery Gelury, and George B >McClellan. Susanna died while Andrew Jackson was fighting in the >Civil War. Her parents apparently took the children and we have no >record of the children or of Susanna and her family. > > >==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== >ONLY GENEALOGY chat is allowed on this list. If you want to talk >culture, history and so on, join our sister list, PENNA-DUTCH. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --

Where is Buck Wheat Valley located? I could not find it in my PA Atlas. As a teenager in the late 1960's, I remember meeting a Mabel Forrey / Forry near Lancaster. She was in her 70's or 80's then. She was related to either the Schwangers or Myers. Cris Myers ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: [PDGO] Buck Wheat Valley Pa > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3dB.2ACI/5986 > > Message Board Post: > > Looking for info on Wilson Forrey married to Amelia. They had 4 children > 1.Jacob > 2.James > 3.Anna > 4.Mamie > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cole/Coles Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3dB.2ACI/5992 Message Board Post: Any trace of the Cole surname in the Penn Dutch family? Denise, IL

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3dB.2ACI/5473.5477.5484 Message Board Post: I have a henry huber Born1849 with a daughter emma saloma from dekalb co,ind

Jeff; would you identify the software you on land meets and bounds

How about some names. You never know who may have access to what on these lists. Kay -- Genealogy without documentation is mythology!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Deshler, Meckley, Burkhalter, Stahl Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3dB.2ACI/5991 Message Board Post: Hi cousin, I would greatly appreciate a copy of your old newspaper article!!! I have been over to the Egypt area where he had his fort and walked on the land where it once stood. I love the history of this family. Please check out my website with 389 direct ancestors: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/a/Kay-A-Stahl/index.html My new e-mail address is [email protected] Franklin P. Stahl II 373 Perkins Valley Road Bryant Pond, ME 04219 (207) 674-3777 Summer Address: 219 E. 8th St. Watsontown, PA 17777 (570) 538-1019 "Old genealogists never die, they just lose their census (senses)."

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3dB.2ACI/473.3279.3501.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the reply. How do we get to the Census of Cumberland Co. and the LDS site? You can e-mail me direct at [email protected] rather than go through my brother at his e-mail address. Thanks again.

"If you ever break through on these Freemans think how high you will jump! And how far your shout will be heard!" Cathy Berger You got that right Cathy!!! Incidently I found a ship list transcription for the "Thistle" which arrived in Philadelphia on 29 August 1730. Actually I downloaded two different transcriptions from this same list. The one listed a "Caspar Fiehman" and the other transcription spelled it "Casper Feman". Could be the "Casper Feeman" who got the Warrant in 1734. He may have brought family along too, but of course his woman & possible kids were not worthy of listing. I am DETERMINED to break through this brick wall! Jim Freeman

Welcome to the problem. Jim and I are both descendants of these Freyman/Freiman/Freeman people. But you intrigue me with your Bedford Co comment. I live in Bedford Co, PA and don't recognize your name nor your provider. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rinscheid, Jeffrey L (Jeff) <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: RE: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > Jim, Cathy, > In my experience (Bedford County, not Lancaster/Berks), the same trees often > *were* used as property boundaries, sometimes for more than 100 years (I > suspect some of the surveyors didn't actually resurvey) - occasionally I've > found "to a white oak" replaced with "to the stump of a white oak"...) > > If you have the "mete's and bounds" of the two properties in question (1774 > and 1828), I'd be willing to plot them with a program I have (very > rudimentary) and then you can take a gander and see if they look the same, > or very similar, to you. (I've found that I can sometimes take properties > in the vicinity and turn them into the mental equivalent of a "jigsaw > puzzle".) > > By metes and bounds, I mean a description of the property that goes > something like: > > "Starting at a black oak, thence South 34 degrees West 123 rods to a white > oak, thence North 12 degrees West 14 rods 3 perches past the property of > Samuel Adams to a fence post... etc. etc... back to the point of beginning". > > > - Jeff R > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Freeman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > > > > Cathy, > > You are familiar with the ancestors I am researching. The land in question > belonged to Henrich Freyman, f/o Casper Freeman. The description of the > property on the deed transfer after Casper's death is practically useless. > It uses trees that were growing at the time (abt 1828) as markers for the > property lines. Were they the same trees that may have been used to mark the > property lines in 1774 when Henrich penned his will or when Henrich became > the owner? The property lines were not described in his will. > > The Land Warrants I found were granted to "Casper Feeman" in 1734, my guess > as the likely father of Henrich who named his only son Casper. The 1734 > Warrant was voided in 1746, I believe, because Casper Feeman did not comply > with the terms of the Warrant. A new Warrant for the same property was > issued the same day to a Valentine Feeman, who later acquired other property > by Warrant and the name was spelled Freeman for those. The property was > probably never Deeded to the original Casper, but to Valentine. No Wills or > Estates are on file for either of these men in Berks or Lancaster Counties. > > Thanks for your suggestions. Somewhere there MUST be a record that will make > a connection. Just need some clues on where to dig. Thanks. > > Jim Freeman > > > > > Jim, it is still not required to record a deed in PA. When we bought here > in 1982 I did a title search and found one that wasn't recorded back in > 1913. However, if the supposedly grandfather did have a deed did you check > to see if it was on the same land? his deed description and the first one > you found of your ancestor should jive. Or work through the tax records to > see who paid taxes on the land after first owner died. Or if there were no > wills for those first two you found, then go to orphans' court as there > would have to have been an inventory, etc. and distribution if land was > involved, whether or not actual orphans were involved. Did you also look > for Letter of Administration? I assume you did that. Check orphans' court > carefully because sometimes the accounts are in the name of the person > acting as executor and not in children's names. Also I have a will > mentioned in a will about 30 years after the ancestor died, but the will of > first ancestor is lost. Also I had to write three times to Delaware Co > courthouse to get a will which they told me two times wasn't there when I > knew it was. > > Good luck. Happy New Year. > > Cathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Freeman <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:21 PM > Subject: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > > > > In a nutshell, this is my problem: An ancestor of mine inherited land from > his father abt 1774-5 and no deed transfer was filed in Berks County. After > the son died in 1828, the Estate sold the property and a Deed transfer WAS > filed which explained the earlier transfer from father to son according to > the terms of the fathers Will. No record exists in Berks for where the > father got the land. It was probably transfered BEFORE Berks County was > formed in 1752. I checked with the Lancaster Co. Deeds Office & found no > record there. The land would have been part of Lancaster before 1752. I > checked at the State Archives to see if my ancestor received a Land Warrant > from the state. No luck there for the earliest ancestor I have documented, > but found two others with similar surnames who got land in "Tulpehocken" & > "Heidelberg" as early as 1734. One of them has the same first name as the > son of my earliest known ancestor. Could be the grandfather. > > > > I need to find some documentation of this early Deed transfer to hopefully > make the family connection. I was told at the Lancaster Deed Office that it > may not exist because it was not required to record it back then or it may > have been recorded in Philadelphia. My question is where in Philadelphia > would records of early deed transfers be found? > > > > Jim Freeman > > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > > If you have questions about this list contact the admin at: > > Joan Young, [email protected] or Don Hartman, [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > If you have questions about this list contact the admin at: > Joan Young, [email protected] or Don Hartman, [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > NO FLAMING ALLOWED ON THIS LIST! 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One more thought. I can check the PA Archives for earliest tax records given there. And you can see which ones the courthouse has. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: James Freeman <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > > Cathy, > > You are familiar with the ancestors I am researching. The land in question > belonged to Henrich Freyman, f/o Casper Freeman. The description of the > property on the deed transfer after Casper's death is practically useless. > It uses trees that were growing at the time (abt 1828) as markers for the > property lines. Were they the same trees that may have been used to mark the > property lines in 1774 when Henrich penned his will or when Henrich became > the owner? The property lines were not described in his will. > > The Land Warrants I found were granted to "Casper Feeman" in 1734, my guess > as the likely father of Henrich who named his only son Casper. The 1734 > Warrant was voided in 1746, I believe, because Casper Feeman did not comply > with the terms of the Warrant. A new Warrant for the same property was > issued the same day to a Valentine Feeman, who later acquired other property > by Warrant and the name was spelled Freeman for those. The property was > probably never Deeded to the original Casper, but to Valentine. No Wills or > Estates are on file for either of these men in Berks or Lancaster Counties. > > Thanks for your suggestions. Somewhere there MUST be a record that will make > a connection. Just need some clues on where to dig. Thanks. > > Jim Freeman > > > > > Jim, it is still not required to record a deed in PA. When we bought here > in 1982 I did a title search and found one that wasn't recorded back in > 1913. However, if the supposedly grandfather did have a deed did you check > to see if it was on the same land? his deed description and the first one > you found of your ancestor should jive. Or work through the tax records to > see who paid taxes on the land after first owner died. Or if there were no > wills for those first two you found, then go to orphans' court as there > would have to have been an inventory, etc. and distribution if land was > involved, whether or not actual orphans were involved. Did you also look > for Letter of Administration? I assume you did that. Check orphans' court > carefully because sometimes the accounts are in the name of the person > acting as executor and not in children's names. Also I have a will > mentioned in a will about 30 years after the ancestor died, but the will of > first ancestor is lost. Also I had to write three times to Delaware Co > courthouse to get a will which they told me two times wasn't there when I > knew it was. > > Good luck. Happy New Year. > > Cathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Freeman <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:21 PM > Subject: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > > > > In a nutshell, this is my problem: An ancestor of mine inherited land from > his father abt 1774-5 and no deed transfer was filed in Berks County. After > the son died in 1828, the Estate sold the property and a Deed transfer WAS > filed which explained the earlier transfer from father to son according to > the terms of the fathers Will. No record exists in Berks for where the > father got the land. It was probably transfered BEFORE Berks County was > formed in 1752. I checked with the Lancaster Co. Deeds Office & found no > record there. The land would have been part of Lancaster before 1752. I > checked at the State Archives to see if my ancestor received a Land Warrant > from the state. No luck there for the earliest ancestor I have documented, > but found two others with similar surnames who got land in "Tulpehocken" & > "Heidelberg" as early as 1734. One of them has the same first name as the > son of my earliest known ancestor. Could be the grandfather. > > > > I need to find some documentation of this early Deed transfer to hopefully > make the family connection. I was told at the Lancaster Deed Office that it > may not exist because it was not required to record it back then or it may > have been recorded in Philadelphia. My question is where in Philadelphia > would records of early deed transfers be found? > > > > Jim Freeman > > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > > If you have questions about this list contact the admin at: > > Joan Young, [email protected] or Don Hartman, [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > If you have questions about this list contact the admin at: > Joan Young, [email protected] or Don Hartman, [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

One more try. Did the description of the property on the deed trasfer after Casper's death list any neighbors? Next, have you tried tax records. If somehow we could identify the land than the suggestion of the warrant map is possible. Years ago Paul Milliken, also a Berger descendant of Johan Heinrich, sent me a warrant type map showing me where Christian Berger's land was. I don't think it has Freeman (any spelling) on it and have no idea where he got it. By tracing neighbors listed on the original Casper's warrant we might also be able to establish their land through deeds and when a deed was transferred there might be mention of neighbors. Hard but possible! Is there a book published on abstracts of land records for Berks? That would show neighbors. If you ever break through on these Freemans think how high you will jump! And how far your shout will be heard! Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: James Freeman <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > > Cathy, > > You are familiar with the ancestors I am researching. The land in question > belonged to Henrich Freyman, f/o Casper Freeman. The description of the > property on the deed transfer after Casper's death is practically useless. > It uses trees that were growing at the time (abt 1828) as markers for the > property lines. Were they the same trees that may have been used to mark the > property lines in 1774 when Henrich penned his will or when Henrich became > the owner? The property lines were not described in his will. > > The Land Warrants I found were granted to "Casper Feeman" in 1734, my guess > as the likely father of Henrich who named his only son Casper. The 1734 > Warrant was voided in 1746, I believe, because Casper Feeman did not comply > with the terms of the Warrant. A new Warrant for the same property was > issued the same day to a Valentine Feeman, who later acquired other property > by Warrant and the name was spelled Freeman for those. The property was > probably never Deeded to the original Casper, but to Valentine. No Wills or > Estates are on file for either of these men in Berks or Lancaster Counties. > > Thanks for your suggestions. Somewhere there MUST be a record that will make > a connection. Just need some clues on where to dig. Thanks. > > Jim Freeman > > > > > Jim, it is still not required to record a deed in PA. When we bought here > in 1982 I did a title search and found one that wasn't recorded back in > 1913. However, if the supposedly grandfather did have a deed did you check > to see if it was on the same land? his deed description and the first one > you found of your ancestor should jive. Or work through the tax records to > see who paid taxes on the land after first owner died. Or if there were no > wills for those first two you found, then go to orphans' court as there > would have to have been an inventory, etc. and distribution if land was > involved, whether or not actual orphans were involved. Did you also look > for Letter of Administration? I assume you did that. Check orphans' court > carefully because sometimes the accounts are in the name of the person > acting as executor and not in children's names. Also I have a will > mentioned in a will about 30 years after the ancestor died, but the will of > first ancestor is lost. Also I had to write three times to Delaware Co > courthouse to get a will which they told me two times wasn't there when I > knew it was. > > Good luck. Happy New Year. > > Cathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Freeman <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:21 PM > Subject: [PDGO] Early Deed Transfers > > > > In a nutshell, this is my problem: An ancestor of mine inherited land from > his father abt 1774-5 and no deed transfer was filed in Berks County. After > the son died in 1828, the Estate sold the property and a Deed transfer WAS > filed which explained the earlier transfer from father to son according to > the terms of the fathers Will. No record exists in Berks for where the > father got the land. It was probably transfered BEFORE Berks County was > formed in 1752. I checked with the Lancaster Co. Deeds Office & found no > record there. The land would have been part of Lancaster before 1752. I > checked at the State Archives to see if my ancestor received a Land Warrant > from the state. No luck there for the earliest ancestor I have documented, > but found two others with similar surnames who got land in "Tulpehocken" & > "Heidelberg" as early as 1734. One of them has the same first name as the > son of my earliest known ancestor. Could be the grandfather. > > > > I need to find some documentation of this early Deed transfer to hopefully > make the family connection. I was told at the Lancaster Deed Office that it > may not exist because it was not required to record it back then or it may > have been recorded in Philadelphia. My question is where in Philadelphia > would records of early deed transfers be found? > > > > Jim Freeman > > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > > If you have questions about this list contact the admin at: > > Joan Young, [email protected] or Don Hartman, [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PADUTCHgenONLY Mailing List ==== > If you have questions about this list contact the admin at: > Joan Young, [email protected] or Don Hartman, [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3dB.2ACI/1090.102.2159 Message Board Post: It appears that the Lilly's migrated from the northern states southward. I wuld refer you to the following web page for Lilly Families in Virginia http://www.rootsweb.com/~vawashin/ I am descended from Hardy (Hardin) Lilly's daughter, Elizabeth. She married Ezekiel Hobbs and they lived in Lee and Washington Counties, VA. Please let me know if you come across any info on Hardin Lilly. If you need info on this lineage, please let me know. Marcia