When I was a kid a long time ago, my Gramma used to make elderberry wine. I was just a kid but all us kids were allowed a sip every now and again. I've tried to make it but it just doesn't come out the same. I make jelly and syrup when I can find the berries, Here they grow m mostly along the RR tracks a and get oily from the wheels on the rails. I wash them really good before juicing them and then let the juice set awhile. I use cotton cloth to skim any oil reside that my rise to the top. It's an extra effort but so worth it. This year I'm going to try to transplant so twigs down by the creek in my back yard...maybe it will work. Pat ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/