Hi List,    Just wanted to wish ALL a safe and Happy Thanksgiving! May you all have clear skies, warm temps and plenty of family around.   tracy

Andrea; That's cool that its your great grandmother. Hope it brings in some new leads. :-) Rick B ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrea Welter To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: [PD-LIFE] my brick wall is Ancestor of the Week Hello, I just got an email from Shannon Faye that my great grandmother is Ancestor of the Week http://www.ancestralspace.com/ Kind of neat for it to fall on Thanksgiving week. Can anyone here help estimate the date the photo was taken? Andrea

Hello, I just got an email from Shannon Faye that my great grandmother is Ancestor of the Week http://www.ancestralspace.com/ Kind of neat for it to fall on Thanksgiving week. Can anyone here help estimate the date the photo was taken? Andrea

There was a Ruth family here where I live. He was a Spanish language teacher. I have seen obits in the newspapers this year. Have no idea how big the family is. I can check the phone book for you but you may be able to access that on your own. Let me know. Connie --------------------------------------------------------- On the Hain surname. I've corresponded in the past with John Hain who had some really good information on the Berkheisers. Rick B

There was a Ruth family here where I live. He was a Spanish language teacher. I have seen obits in the newspapers this year. Have no idea how big the family is. I can check the phone book for you but you may be able to access that on your own. Let me know. Connie -----Original Message----- From: Becky Sanning <gooberspet@yahoo.com> To: PADUTCH-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 1:10 pm Subject: [PD-LIFE] HAIN, RUTH, KRICK Would anyone happen to have any imfo on the above named families? It seems I am taking a new direction. Thanks, Becky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Beck, These appeared in the 1790 Berks County Census: Krick: France, Geo, Peter, and Adam - Cumru and Brecknock Twps Ruth: Jno. Adam, and Jost - Heidelberg and Berne Twps Hain: no Hain, Hayne Which way do you want to go? I'll see what I can find for you Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Becky Sanning Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:11 PM To: PADUTCH-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PD-LIFE] HAIN, RUTH, KRICK Would anyone happen to have any imfo on the above named families?  It seems I am taking a new direction.   Thanks, Becky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anyone happen to have any imfo on the above named families?  It seems I am taking a new direction.   Thanks, Becky

Thanks to each one of you who have answered my request for help with a very low salt diet. Jim is eating more oatmeal and eggs than ever before but we are learning. I found too much sodium in my old faithful Bush's chili hot beans for my chili. I figured out that if I cooked kidney beans from scratch and mixed a pint carton with a can of Bush's it will cut the sodium by over half. Since I had already put lots of home grown tomatoes in the freezer I'm ready to make chili. Have cooked a pound of pinto beans too. We love refried beans in our tacos but the canned ones are loaded with sodium. I talked to a good friend from Guatamala. She told me how to make them. If I use olive oil instead of lard it should be healthy for him. Haven't figured out how to season home made meat sauce for tacos, but that will come soon. We are learning. Kroger frozen hash brown potatoes have very low sodium. I've used them in soup for a long time. Glad that won't have to change. Still working on bread. Great gratitude to each of you. Marilyn Simpson -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-request@rootsweb.com To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:00 pm Subject: PADUTCH-LIFE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 478 ==== PADUTCH-LIFE Mailing List ==== Today's Topics: 1. Re: Diabetic Diet (don/kathy) 2. Low Sodium Diet and Heart Failure (Karen Fox) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:49:40 -0500 rom: "don/kathy" <dlewis10@woh.rr.com> ubject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Diabetic Diet o: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com>, <padrake@sbcglobal.net> c: "JOYCE L." <joylews@aol.com> essage-ID: <DD858C7F89454FD3B70AB89DF09E83BF@Lewis> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi all, hat is an excellent idea Pam! ood thinking. :) can also post to list, if its ok with Rick, the salt free food, spices, tc that I have found in the stores and use. And, over the weekend, we found nother low salt item to use for spag. or chili etc..or a similar recipe ike that. I'll get working on that list of foods. prefer fresh food too, when I can get it. But like frozen otherwise. refer no salt added green beans in a can too. :) Not the frozen kind. y daughter in law, Joyce, said she is going to send in a few recipes too. athy iqua Ohio ----- Original Message ----- rom: <padrake@sbcglobal.net> o: <PADUTCH-LIFE@rootsweb.com> ent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:38 AM ubject: [PD-LIFE] Diabetic Diet i! Beside the doctor I would also talk to a dietician. That visit is paid by edicare. Also,talk to the pharmacist. Try to stay with one drug store so hey know what she's taking all the time. Good Luck! Pam in IN. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------- Message: 2 ate: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:29:39 -0600 (CST) rom: Karen Fox <karenmfox@verizon.net> ubject: [PD-LIFE] Low Sodium Diet and Heart Failure o: padutch-life@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <9363020.378085.1258439379530.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I was first diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure in 1986 and since Oct 2001, I have been on Social Security Disability because I am now Class III CHF. You can find lots of tried and true low sodium recipes and info about low sodium eating in general at http://www.chfpatients.com/ , along with tons of info about living with CHF. My former Heart Failure Specialist (who now practices in another geographic area).had checked out the site at my request and he said it was good solid information, and even recommended the site to some of his other patients. One thing to keep in mind with Heart Failure - even though you are restricting sodium, be aware that the patient is most probably on a fluid restricted diet as well. Typical CHF patients are under orders to take in no more than 2 liters of fluids a day in total. This not only includes drinks,but ice, broth, pudding, soup and jello count as fluids. The less fluid you drink (without dehydrating), the less blood your heart has to pump. And the less elimination necessary to prevent edema (swelling). For a CHF patient, it is imperative to keep both sodium and fluid intake in check. BTW, I was told by my Heart Failure Specialist that systolic (left side) heart failure is by far the most common presentation of heart failure in the general population. In the Pennsylvania Dutch descendants (like myself), it was found that there is a higher percentage of diastolic (right side) heart failure than in the heart failure population as a whole. Interesting, I thought. Regards, Karen from Berks County ----------------------------- To contact the PADUTCH-LIFE list administrator, send an email to ADUTCH-LIFE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the PADUTCH-LIFE mailing list, send an email to ADUTCH-LIFE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he mail with no additional text. nd of PADUTCH-LIFE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 478 *******************************************

Hey Karen! Haven't seen you posting to the list in a long time. Welcome back! :-) Rick B ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Fox To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:29 AM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Low Sodium Diet and Heart Failure I was first diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure in 1986 and since Oct 2001, I have been on Social Security Disability because I am now Class III CHF. You can find lots of tried and true low sodium recipes and info about low sodium eating in general at http://www.chfpatients.com/ , along with tons of info about living with CHF. My former Heart Failure Specialist (who now practices in another geographic area).had checked out the site at my request and he said it was good solid information, and even recommended the site to some of his other patients. One thing to keep in mind with Heart Failure - even though you are restricting sodium, be aware that the patient is most probably on a fluid restricted diet as well. Typical CHF patients are under orders to take in no more than 2 liters of fluids a day in total. This not only includes drinks,but ice, broth, pudding, soup and jello count as fluids. The less fluid you drink (without dehydrating), the less blood your heart has to pump. And the less elimination necessary to prevent edema (swelling). For a CHF patient, it is imperative to keep both sodium and fluid intake in check. BTW, I was told by my Heart Failure Specialist that systolic (left side) heart failure is by far the most common presentation of heart failure in the general population. In the Pennsylvania Dutch descendants (like myself), it was found that there is a higher percentage of diastolic (right side) heart failure than in the heart failure population as a whole. Interesting, I thought. Regards, Karen from Berks County

Its shouldn't be a problem as long as its not a link to a commercial site. We've always been about swapping cooking tips and recipes. :-) Rick B ----- Original Message ----- From: don/kathy To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com ; padrake@sbcglobal.net Cc: JOYCE L. Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Diabetic Diet Hi all, That is an excellent idea Pam! Good thinking. :) I can also post to list, if its ok with Rick, the salt free food, spices, etc that I have found in the stores and use. And, over the weekend, we found another low salt item to use for spag. or chili etc..or a similar recipe like that. I'll get working on that list of foods. I prefer fresh food too, when I can get it. But like frozen otherwise. Prefer no salt added green beans in a can too. :) Not the frozen kind. My daughter in law, Joyce, said she is going to send in a few recipes too. Kathy Piqua Ohio

I was first diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure in 1986 and since Oct 2001, I have been on Social Security Disability because I am now Class III CHF. You can find lots of tried and true low sodium recipes and info about low sodium eating in general at http://www.chfpatients.com/ , along with tons of info about living with CHF. My former Heart Failure Specialist (who now practices in another geographic area).had checked out the site at my request and he said it was good solid information, and even recommended the site to some of his other patients. One thing to keep in mind with Heart Failure - even though you are restricting sodium, be aware that the patient is most probably on a fluid restricted diet as well. Typical CHF patients are under orders to take in no more than 2 liters of fluids a day in total. This not only includes drinks,but ice, broth, pudding, soup and jello count as fluids. The less fluid you drink (without dehydrating), the less blood your heart has to pump. And the less elimination necessary to prevent edema (swelling). For a CHF patient, it is imperative to keep both sodium and fluid intake in check. BTW, I was told by my Heart Failure Specialist that systolic (left side) heart failure is by far the most common presentation of heart failure in the general population. In the Pennsylvania Dutch descendants (like myself), it was found that there is a higher percentage of diastolic (right side) heart failure than in the heart failure population as a whole. Interesting, I thought. Regards, Karen from Berks County

Hi all, That is an excellent idea Pam! Good thinking. :) I can also post to list, if its ok with Rick, the salt free food, spices, etc that I have found in the stores and use. And, over the weekend, we found another low salt item to use for spag. or chili etc..or a similar recipe like that. I'll get working on that list of foods. I prefer fresh food too, when I can get it. But like frozen otherwise. Prefer no salt added green beans in a can too. :) Not the frozen kind. My daughter in law, Joyce, said she is going to send in a few recipes too. Kathy Piqua Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <padrake@sbcglobal.net> To: <PADUTCH-LIFE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:38 AM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Diabetic Diet Hi! Beside the doctor I would also talk to a dietician. That visit is paid by Medicare. Also,talk to the pharmacist. Try to stay with one drug store so they know what she's taking all the time. Good Luck! Pam in IN. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the www at http://www.rxlist.com/dyazide-drug.htm : Hyperkalemia: Abnormal elevation of serum potassium levels (greater than or equal to 5.5 mEq/liter) can occur with all potassium-sparing diuretic combinations, including DYAZIDE. Hyperkalemia is more likely to occur in patients with renal impairment and diabetes (even without evidence of renal impairment), and in the elderly or severely ill. Since uncorrected hyperkalemia may be fatal, serum potassium levels must be monitored at frequent intervals especially in patients first receiving DYAZIDE, when dosages are changed or with any illness that may influence renal function. I take HCTZ in the form Triamterene. My doctor still wants me tested for potassium loss if I start taking it every day. I can always tell when I have lost potassium because I get very bad cramps in my feet and legs. When that starts occurring, I take potassium and magnesium supplements for a couple of days and it takes care of the problem. My doctor was happy with that answer. Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tracy Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:21 PM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] low-sodium diet Joan,    My doctor has me on hydroclorothiazide (HCTZ) for high blood pressure. HCTZ does not effect the sodium in our bodies, like other diruretics. Also not needed with it is Potassium.   This is what my and my mothers doc's have told us.   tracy --- On Sat, 11/14/09, JYoung6180 wrote: If sodium is low that can be just as much of a problem as if you have too  much. One of the worst culprits in robbing our bodies of sodium and making the  level too low is taking prescription diuretics such as lasix or  hydroclorothiazide (hct) or diazide or the like. If you mother-in-law is on one  of these drugs you might talk to the doctor about changing to a different type of blood pressure med. And you might talk to the doctor about allowing a little  salt in the diet too. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi!   Beside the doctor I would also talk to a dietician. That visit is paid by Medicare. Also,talk to the pharmacist. Try to stay with one drug store so they know what she's taking all the time. Good Luck!   Pam in IN.

Tracy- Any drug that makes you eliminate water from your system also drains your body of salt/sodium. I was on HCTZ at one time also until I got off blood pressure meds (and plan to stay off them!). I had to be careful in the summer because I walk 5 miles every morning outside no matter how how it gets. Diuretics and sweating will cause you to have low sodium no matter what diuretic you take just be cleaning your system of water--the minerals (including sodium) go with it. Through the exercise program and weight loss that goes with it, I got off those meds. See: http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/1517000.html "Sodium Diuretics, including thiazide diuretics, cause increased loss of sodium in the urine. By removing sodium from the body, diuretics also cause water to leave the body. This reduction of body water is the purpose of taking diuretics. Therefore, there is usually no reason to replace lost sodium, although strict limitation of salt intake in combination with the actions of diuretics can sometimes cause excessive sodium depletion. On the other hand, people who restrict sodium intake, and in the process reduce blood pressure, may need to have their dose of diuretics lowered." Joan In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:21:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, better_than_good@yahoo.com writes: Joan, My doctor has me on hydroclorothiazide (HCTZ) for high blood pressure. HCTZ does not effect the sodium in our bodies, like other diruretics. Also not needed with it is Potassium. This is what my and my mothers doc's have told us. tracy

Diuretics such as HCTZ also deplete potassium. I was on HCTZ for many years, and initially was advised to eat four banana's a day, which was not easy as I was in Korea, and bananas were rationed at the military commissary. Later, while working outside for the entire summer, my potassium got so low I had to go on potassium pills to bring it back up. I am off both medications now, and I am glad of that. Don in AZ

Cathy- I'm no doctor and I'm not trying to give you medical advice. However, I am diabetic (type 2) and I use some salt in my diet. My blood pressure is low and I don't retain fluids which would be the two main reasons for restricting salt in the diet of a diabetic (or anyone else for that matter). Salt intake results in fluid retention and fluid retention can cause blood pressure to rise--that is really the only reason (as far as I know) to restrict salt. If sodium is low that can be just as much of a problem as if you have too much. One of the worst culprits in robbing our bodies of sodium and making the level too low is taking prescription diuretics such as lasix or hydroclorothiazide (hct) or diazide or the like. If you mother-in-law is on one of these drugs you might talk to the doctor about changing to a different type of blood pressure med. And you might talk to the doctor about allowing a little salt in the diet too. Also...someone said that sea salt has as much sodium as table salt--that isn't really true, but it does have some. So, while is it fine for some people it may not be ok for someone on a severely sodium restricted diet. Campbell's soup just reduced the sodium in their tomato soup by switching to sea salt. Joan In a message dated 11/14/2009 10:23:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pigeonrock@embarqmail.com writes: Anyone know if your a diabetic & your suffering from low salt, what you can do? My mother-in-law said she's not feeling well, & went to the doctor recently, but wanted to know what I can do for her. The doctor is keeping her in his care, for sure! But still worried. Would anyone know? Thanks, Cathy

Anyone know if your a diabetic & your suffering from low salt, what you can do? My mother-in-law said she's not feeling well, & went to the doctor recently, but wanted to know what I can do for her. The doctor is keeping her in his care, for sure! But still worried. Would anyone know? Thanks, Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Trish <trish@acm.org> To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:32:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] low-sodium diet sea salt, kosher salt, table salt all have the same amount of sodium---but kosher salt has no iodine, so the flavor is less bitter and you generally can use less of it. Mrs Dash is a great option---they have several flavors. And think about other flavor options. Just a hint of ground cinnamon gives GREAT flavor to almost anything---even the savory things---think middle eastern foods. Go to the herb & spice section and try a few small bottles of spices or herbs---you'll be amazed at how they can enhance your food and reduce your salt intake. And remember, if you're consuming sodium, increase your water intake (not soda, not coffee, not tea, but water). Even if you end up with a little more sodium than you plan on, the water can help balance things out. Trish On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Tracy <better_than_good@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks Don! > > I did not know that. I have just read that there was 25% less sodium. I > don't use either. > > tracy > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Don wrote: > > > According to the Mayo Clinic web site, there is no difference in the sodium > chloride content in mined salt (table salt) and sea salt. According to the > nutritionist I see at the VA Hospital, she tells me not to use either > table > salt or sea salt. > > Don in AZ > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan,    My doctor has me on hydroclorothiazide (HCTZ) for high blood pressure. HCTZ does not effect the sodium in our bodies, like other diruretics. Also not needed with it is Potassium.   This is what my and my mothers doc's have told us.   tracy --- On Sat, 11/14/09, JYoung6180 wrote: If sodium is low that can be just as much of a problem as if you have too  much. One of the worst culprits in robbing our bodies of sodium and making the  level too low is taking prescription diuretics such as lasix or  hydroclorothiazide (hct) or diazide or the like. If you mother-in-law is on one  of these drugs you might talk to the doctor about changing to a different type of blood pressure med. And you might talk to the doctor about allowing a little  salt in the diet too.

sea salt, kosher salt, table salt all have the same amount of sodium---but kosher salt has no iodine, so the flavor is less bitter and you generally can use less of it. Mrs Dash is a great option---they have several flavors. And think about other flavor options. Just a hint of ground cinnamon gives GREAT flavor to almost anything---even the savory things---think middle eastern foods. Go to the herb & spice section and try a few small bottles of spices or herbs---you'll be amazed at how they can enhance your food and reduce your salt intake. And remember, if you're consuming sodium, increase your water intake (not soda, not coffee, not tea, but water). Even if you end up with a little more sodium than you plan on, the water can help balance things out. Trish On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Tracy <better_than_good@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks Don! > > I did not know that. I have just read that there was 25% less sodium. I > don't use either. > > tracy > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Don wrote: > > > According to the Mayo Clinic web site, there is no difference in the sodium > chloride content in mined salt (table salt) and sea salt. According to the > nutritionist I see at the VA Hospital, she tells me not to use either > table > salt or sea salt. > > Don in AZ > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >