HI Joan; Thank you for your answer. I am always searching for my brick wall and one source says my Maria Leib was a Quaker in Lancaster Co. Pa. Yes, I grasp at straws or anything else I can that might give me a clue. Yes I am a desperate woman!!!! The info you sent is very interesting and I will google. Thanks again, Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Connections to the famous > > In a message dated 8/13/2007 10:50:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, > scott1@embarqmail.com writes: > > Hi Judy; I didn't know there was an age restriction. What was the age > for > men and woman or was it the same? Sally > > > > Sally- > > It would depend on the state/colony and what their laws were. In this > case > I might have misspoken though as Betsy was married at age 21 to John > Ross. > Betsy married John at Hugg's Tavern in Gloucester City, NJ not too far > from > where I live, and although the tavern was torn down some years ago the > hearth > in front of which they were married was disassembled and reassembled at > the > Gloucester County Historical Society. > > The reason I thought she was underage was because NJ didn't normally > require > marriage bonds unless the parties were underage--and there IS an existing > marriage bond for Betsy and John. The main reason she was DIS MOU as the > Quakers call it was because the disowned for Marriage Out of Unity. She > married a > non-Quaker. > > Ordinarily she could have come back to the meeting and condemned her > action > in marrying out of her faith and they would have taken her back--but she > never > did. > > Joan > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When I was a kid in the 1930's my father made elderberry wine. Also dandelion wine. If we could a cold, he would heat a small glass of wine, we would drink it, put some Vicks on our chest, get under the covers and sweat it out, I guess it works, I never been to a Doctor until I joined the Military. Maybe it was the witching hour that chased the cold away!!! Joe in sunny arizona Maricopa Co, not that damp weather in Cochise Country???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Kline" <sheilakline47@yahoo.com> To: <PaDutch-Life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: [PD-LIFE] ELDERBERRY WINE & "WHITE LIGHTNING" > Connie...the elderberry wine that was supposedly used for medicinal > purposes in your house, must be like the "white lightning" here in WV that > is supposed to keep the "meanace" out of ya! I wonder how many stills are > out there hidden in these mountains to this day? There sure is a lot of > wild territory here, so wild that it would be hard for the feds to find, > unless they had a blood hound like the one in "Oh, Brother Where Art > Thou". > I think that the mountain folks have developed a special techinque for > hiding them. It's called "Anthing to keep the Feds Away" found in their > White Lightning" Survival Kit....kept by the jug and the corn cob pipe. > > Sheila > in the hills of WV > > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Connie...the elderberry wine that was supposedly used for medicinal purposes in your house, must be like the "white lightning" here in WV that is supposed to keep the "meanace" out of ya! I wonder how many stills are out there hidden in these mountains to this day? There sure is a lot of wild territory here, so wild that it would be hard for the feds to find, unless they had a blood hound like the one in "Oh, Brother Where Art Thou". I think that the mountain folks have developed a special techinque for hiding them. It's called "Anthing to keep the Feds Away" found in their White Lightning" Survival Kit....kept by the jug and the corn cob pipe. Sheila in the hills of WV --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.

Some of my personal replies to your messages regarding the death of my sister Evelyn last week have not gone through. I wish to thank each one of you for your kind encouragement and empathy. We may be faceless here, but your hearts are pure gold. We are planting a tree in her honor at a local park as a living legacy. Warm regards, Anna/Ohio

Oh rats!!!! I didn't see the answer right there in front of me in your post!!! It's LUCY time again ! Here I thought I would get a step ahead of you! Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Emlin Reed To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Stars/Lights/Trees Lynn extols "those beautiful Dog Wood trees around St. Luke's EC church in Shillington". Yes, dogwood trees are pretty. Do you know how you can tell a dogwood tree? By its bark. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Stars/Lights/Trees > Hi Karen, > I know they have it too built up now, where I use to live up on the hill, > passed the Penwyn? Club (that men's club over that little bridge that > leads to Mohnton). Well, right after that, if you take the very next > right, it will take you to Park Terrace Apartments. I use to live up, up, > up, and up :o) I was on the very top building, the top floor (there were > only two floors to the apartment buildings), facing the tree nursery. > That was my view from my livingroom window. Anyway, before they built all > those houses going up on the right, you could see the stars very clearly > up there. There weren't that many street lights at that time. But, sad > to say, they built it up, and I'm sure those lights are shinning all the > time, along with those motion lights that we are having more and more of > around here. My friend, across the street and up two houses, has one of > those very sensitive ones. It goes off everytime I walk out of my kitchen > to check on things at night. > Oh, those beautiful Dog Wood trees around St. Luke's EC church in > Shillington? When my mom passed away, they used the money I donated to > the church to buy those trees, and some other things they needed for the > office inside. When you drive by, which I am sure you do, probably > everyday, please let me know what they look like!! :o) I'm told they are > really pretty at times!!! > Thanks! > Lynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hahaha!!! By it's BARK :o) LOL!!!! :o) Lynn Richard wrote: Lynn extols "those beautiful Dog Wood trees around St. Luke's EC church in Shillington". Yes, dogwood trees are pretty. Do you know how you can tell a dogwood tree?

Pat out here in MO they grow along the tracks and dirt roads but we cannot use them because of the pollution..My brother brought me some a long time ago from his field in Pa I was so happy. Now I just have to buy the wine . When we go to Iowa to the Amana colonies I get elderberry jelly from them.. Just another thing I miss about Pennsylvania Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "P Dyer" <pdyer53@yahoo.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Elderberry Jelly/Jam/Syrup > When I was a kid a long time ago, my Gramma used to > make elderberry wine. I was just a kid but all us > kids were allowed a sip every now and again. > I've tried to make it but it just doesn't come out the > same. I make jelly and syrup when I can find the > berries, Here they grow m mostly along the RR tracks > a and get oily from the wheels on the rails. I wash > them really good before juicing them and then let the > juice set awhile. I use cotton cloth to skim any oil > reside that my rise to the top. It's an extra effort > but so worth it. > This year I'm going to try to transplant so twigs down > by the creek in my back yard...maybe it will work. > Pat > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

--- Sheila wrote: Richard, what are the tears you spoke of? As Richard Reed > said....your knowledge of the celestial beings is amazing!! Did he > say, "I'm astronamished"? Amazing choice of words Herr Reed! ****************** I just read an article about the Tears of St. Lawrence?? He was burned at the stake in 256AD?? I wish I could remember where I read the article, and remember what it said for sure. tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/

I'm connected to some local teachers, that I've found our Colemans were singers. One of our famous Johnny Coleman's was a singer at our local Ceramic Theatre in the early 1900's! He & his wife, also was known as "The Singing Coleman's, too! I found soemthing about them online, & was planning to go view the playlist at the University of Pittsburgh, but didn't get to do that, but hoping to put that on agenda next time! Oh & my gr. grandfather was connected to the Salvation Army, in some way, perhaps helping to start one in my hometown? Not sure I haven't been able to find out anything except what it said in his obituary, & when I wrote the local Salvation Army they said they didn't know any connection, so back to square one again, but interesting to think about, & I'll just keep looking. And my present day, brush with fame, is my brother-in-law was the Head football coach for the local school, & took them to many H.S. Championships! Woo-hoo! They've moved onto another school, & is an athletic director now. I didn't know that Betsy Ross's name wasn't the same as that? Someone just burst my history bubble! Grinning, Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/13/2007 10:11:27 AM > Subject: [PD-LIFE] Connections to the famous > > How interesting the connections you have to these people, Sheila!!! > Somewhere we have connections to John Philip Sousa, and the Dorsey Brothers. I'm still digging for that information, but the family who has it, doesn't get into family research much, except they love it when I send what I find :o( > Lynn > > Sheila wrote: We really never know what we will find in doing our genealogy search!! I have been intrigued with what I have found....I have The Tyndales and Taylors who were Protestants, and then the Radclyffes who were supportive of The Catholic Scottish Dynasty, and the Claypools who married into the family of Oliver Cromwell! All an interesting mix! And I must not foget the many Quakers in my family, among those, The Claypools. One of my Claypools also married the daughter of Oliver Cromwell, and one married Elizabeth Griscom, aka Betsy Ross. She was excommunicated from The Quaker Church. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM

Rick mentioned the star cluster and I suggested it was probably The Pleiades or Seven Sisters. A cute story about the Seven Sisters--I own a Subaru and when I bought it I asked the car dealer whether he knew what Subaru meant in Japanese (he didn't). I told him that Subaru means Seven Sisters and that is why the Subaru logo is the Pleiades! Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Pat That's another great idea. I can't wait to make the yellow and red ones..the three colors will look so good together.. once I tell my friend she will want me to make them for her bridge club.. Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "P Dyer" <pdyer53@yahoo.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] pepper jelly > Barb, > A Christmas time I put two little pine cones tied with > red & green ribbon on my serving plate > ...just adds a bit of fancy. > So glad you tried my suggestion > Pat > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

--- Richard B wrote: > August is also the best month to see meteor showers. Most notably > the Perseids Meteor Shower. While looking up, don't forget to look > for St. Lawrence's Tears. ******************* Unless it is cloudy, of course. I went out at 3am to see the meteor shower (I live out in the woods and it is pretty dark). The clouds were so thick. Mars is to be visible on Aug. 27 at 1230am. This is the email I received: Subject: Two Moons on August 27th Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August. It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will cultivate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes within 34.65M miles of earth. Be sure to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am. It will look like the earth has 2 moons. The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again. The lunar eclipse is to be Aug. 28, 2007. tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

In a message dated 8/13/2007 10:50:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, scott1@embarqmail.com writes: Hi Judy; I didn't know there was an age restriction. What was the age for men and woman or was it the same? Sally Sally- It would depend on the state/colony and what their laws were. In this case I might have misspoken though as Betsy was married at age 21 to John Ross. Betsy married John at Hugg's Tavern in Gloucester City, NJ not too far from where I live, and although the tavern was torn down some years ago the hearth in front of which they were married was disassembled and reassembled at the Gloucester County Historical Society. The reason I thought she was underage was because NJ didn't normally require marriage bonds unless the parties were underage--and there IS an existing marriage bond for Betsy and John. The main reason she was DIS MOU as the Quakers call it was because the disowned for Marriage Out of Unity. She married a non-Quaker. Ordinarily she could have come back to the meeting and condemned her action in marrying out of her faith and they would have taken her back--but she never did. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Lynn extols "those beautiful Dog Wood trees around St. Luke's EC church in Shillington". Yes, dogwood trees are pretty. Do you know how you can tell a dogwood tree? By its bark. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Stars/Lights/Trees > Hi Karen, > I know they have it too built up now, where I use to live up on the hill, > passed the Penwyn? Club (that men's club over that little bridge that > leads to Mohnton). Well, right after that, if you take the very next > right, it will take you to Park Terrace Apartments. I use to live up, up, > up, and up :o) I was on the very top building, the top floor (there were > only two floors to the apartment buildings), facing the tree nursery. > That was my view from my livingroom window. Anyway, before they built all > those houses going up on the right, you could see the stars very clearly > up there. There weren't that many street lights at that time. But, sad > to say, they built it up, and I'm sure those lights are shinning all the > time, along with those motion lights that we are having more and more of > around here. My friend, across the street and up two houses, has one of > those very sensitive ones. It goes off everytime I walk out of my kitchen > to check on things at night. > Oh, those beautiful Dog Wood trees around St. Luke's EC church in > Shillington? When my mom passed away, they used the money I donated to > the church to buy those trees, and some other things they needed for the > office inside. When you drive by, which I am sure you do, probably > everyday, please let me know what they look like!! :o) I'm told they are > really pretty at times!!! > Thanks! > Lynn

I have heard the song "Thank You For Giving to the Lord," and it is beautiful. We give because God wants us to have a giving heart and to care about people. We get a very special blessing out of giving, and thank God for the opportunity. Don

Well listen, if a meteor shower is such a sight to behold; why doesn't some astronomophile record one and put it on the internet? I would like to see one. I never have, In ninety-one years, not a single one. A few shooting stars (no, not John Wayne) but no shower, not even a sprinkle. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Fox" <karenmfox@verizon.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Keep Looking Up! > "Keep Looking Up!".... the signature closing line of Jack Horkheimer's > originally named "Star Hustler" and now renamed "Star Gazer" program on > PBS. > > Just a bit of trivia... > Wonder why the show was renamed? Because of the Internet of course! When > people, especially children, began accessing the Star Hustler site by > using a search engine, STAR HUSTLER was not the HUSTLER they got to link > to...so, after some upset folks wrote to them calling attention to the > situation they realized that like it or not, the word Hustler didn't have > the same connotation as it did when the show began over two decades ago. > > I'm old and set in my ways, so it will always be "Star Hustler" to me. > > The light show we saw last night was due to a passing thunderstorm, so no > meteor shower for me. I remember when I was a kid, my friends and I would > all spawl out at the picnic table in the backyard watching the annual > meteor shower. Some years it looked like the sky was falling and the end > of the world was nigh! These days I live in the suburbs and even without > the thunderstorm...if we would have had a clear cloudless new moon night, > I still wouldn't have seen much. Most of the neighbors have motion > security lights installed and most are at a setting so that they will turn > on if a firefly flits by. Talk about light pollution! > > Karen from Berks

John and Joyce will be on the road home, tomorrow!!!! Can't wait until they get back to the list! They said they will let you know, Rick, when to resub them :o) Oh, I finally got to email Lindsey of that tragic auto accident. The names have been revealed, but I want to watch the news at noon to make sure what people have been telling me is correct. So sad. The one who died, Ashley Wolpert, had a baby girl about a year old :o( Another one has two very little ones :o( All of them 22-years-of-age. But, I heard that their friends are still all partying hardy :o( What will it take? Thanks for all the thoughts and prayers for these young ladies. I am laying this subject to rest, now. Lynn

German also has nouns with regular and irregular plurals. The plural for regular nouns is formed by adding en or n. Duck-ducks and Ente-Enten. Goose-geese and Gans-gänse are irregular; as are man-men and Mann-Männer. House with houses is a regular noun; but Haus-Häuser is irregular. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Richard's Question Goose/Geese > Sounds like a Dr. Seuss thing I heard once upon a time ;o) > Lynn > > Mary submitted: > "If a goose and a goose both add up to geese, > Why doesn't the same rule apply to moose/meese? > If a mouse becomes mice, and a louse turns to lice, > Why doesn't it follow that house becomes hice? > If Dad can be Papa and Mom is the Momma, > Then why isn't Brad Brapa and Tom now called Tomma? > Because, my Dear One, it is never a breeze > When learning the language American-eze." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elderberry wine is soooo good..Out here in MO We only have one place to get it Gerbe's grocery Store.. I gave a bottle to my son's father-in-law, he loved it now every year I have to give him more.... Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Emlin Reed" <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Elderberry Jelly/Jam/Syrup > Don't forget elderberry wine. The German word for elderberry is > Holunderbeere. The wine is called Holunderwein from which came the > PA-Dutch > name Hullerwei'. > Richard Emlin Reed > Wesley Chapel, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> > To: "Don Churchfield" <dctrk@c2i2.com>; <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:53 AM > Subject: [PD-LIFE] Elderberry Jelly/Jam/Syrup > > >> We get that at the Mennonite market I go to a few little towns over. It >> is DE-LI-CIOUS!!!!! And Elderberry anything is good for you, too. >> My husband takes Sambucol (Elderberry Syrup) every single morning, and >> being the sickly person he CAN be, he hasn't had a BAD cold ever since he >> started this :o) >> Lynn >> >> Don wrote: >> Wow, I haven't had elderberry jelly in a long time! Mother used >> to make it every year. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Columbia, it must have been 21, because all others needed parent's consent to marry. Being church historian, I have the church records here. The age, unless it is 21 and over is indicated. If 21 and over, the records just say "Full Age" or "Of Age". AND, if they didn't give the age, they have for the one couple, "Full Age" for the groom, and "Consent" for the bride. Lynn Sally asked: Hi Judy; I didn't know there was an age restriction. What was the age for men and woman or was it the same?