Gosh, maybe that could be reinstated! Smiles, Anna -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:35 AM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: [PD-LIFE] Underage Marriages In Columbia, it must have been 21, because all others needed parent's consent to marry. Being church historian, I have the church records here. The age, unless it is 21 and over is indicated. If 21 and over, the records just say "Full Age" or "Of Age". AND, if they didn't give the age, they have for the one couple, "Full Age" for the groom, and "Consent" for the bride. Lynn Sally asked: Hi Judy; I didn't know there was an age restriction. What was the age for men and woman or was it the same? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did I feel my leg getting pulled on that last line, Mr. R? Smiles, Anna -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Emlin Reed Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:14 AM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Elderberry Jelly/Jam/Syrup Don't forget elderberry wine. The German word for elderberry is Holunderbeere. The wine is called Holunderwein from which came the PA-Dutch name Hullerwei'. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: "Don Churchfield" <dctrk@c2i2.com>; <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Elderberry Jelly/Jam/Syrup > We get that at the Mennonite market I go to a few little towns over. It > is DE-LI-CIOUS!!!!! And Elderberry anything is good for you, too. > My husband takes Sambucol (Elderberry Syrup) every single morning, and > being the sickly person he CAN be, he hasn't had a BAD cold ever since he > started this :o) > Lynn > > Don wrote: > Wow, I haven't had elderberry jelly in a long time! Mother used > to make it every year. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mom use to let me have a half glass of Porter, with my dinnner_said it was a blood builder! I loved that stuff, though. Probably the wine built up the blood. Or maybe it WAS the "witching hour" as you said :o) LOL!!!!! Lynn Joe wrote: Maybe it was the witching hour that chased the cold away!!!

Don, I heard that elderberries were considered poor man's fruit even during the Depression. Maybe 'even during the Depression' doesn't jive. Well, they were shunned by some. As children we would take brown grocery bags to the ditches (they require water to their roots) and tug the heavy umbrellas off the bush. We were young children and not so very tall. The branches are brittle and die back, snapping when bent too hard. I save enough in the freezer to make a pie in the bleak of winter. I read that the blossoms were dipped in batter and eaten as fritters. There is a restaurant, nay, diner, in Milan, Ohio (birthplace of Thomas A. Edison, thank you) that serves elderberry pie year around. A man out on Route 18 has a collection of many species of e'berries. I think he is a propagator for a nursery or study of the bush. What do I know? Smiles, Anna -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Churchfield Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:48 AM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Peaches Wow, I haven't had elderberry jelly in a long time! Mother used to make it every year. Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Speaking of Ben Franklin, he was a contemporary of Susanna Wright, the daughter of the founder of Wrightville and Columbia. They were close friends. Benjamin came to Columbia to stay at the Wright's Ferry Mansion, across the street and up three homes from our house, in the summertime, to escape the heat of Philly. They are slowly getting some of the original furniture back from people to display in the mansion. I haven't been able to tour the place, yet. But, someday I will get in there. Our family has gone through and found it quite interesting. This home is open for tourists from May until October. If anyone is interested in the times, and actual dates you can go through it, let me know and I'll check the sign. I'm not sure of the cost of going through, but when we moved here, and our daughter was quite young, the lady took her and her little friend through, though they didn't usually do this without a parent. But the girls were very good, and polite, so I guess she figured, "Sure, why not!" Back then I believe it was $3.00. The kids just went over and knocked on the door and asked about the mansion. I believe these days you might need an appointment, I'm not sure. When we first moved here, I walked the neighborhood kids to and home from grade school. As we were walking down Cherry St., one of the first days of school, we could see in the windows. I saw dummies sitting around the table, at least it seemed they were around a table, and said, "Look!!! They even have it set up with dummies, to show how these people ate back then!!!" The one young boy, who to this day lives next door to the mansion, started laughing so hard, at me, and I didn't know what he was laughing at until the "dummy" turned her head!!!! I was in tears, and told him he better not EVER tell her what I said!!!! I really thought they were fake, like wax figures or something!!!! I wonder if he EVER said anything to her. Just last week was the first I was able to get her attention as she left her day at the mansion, and we exchanged hellos. Of course, Lexus always barks at her, when she is leaving, because she is LEAVING_how dare she leave!!! How-about-it John and Joyce :o) They know about how Lexus sounds, and probably looks like she is going to tear your tires off your vehicle, when you leave :o) Anyway, that day, 17 years ago, still sticks in my mind, and I wonder if he told her :o) He's a stinker, and may have! Someday I'll get up the nerve to ask her_he would never tell me if he did or didn't :o) I'm sure she will get a good laugh out of it. Lynn Sheila wrote: She and her husband, John had a business that did upholstery, etc., and Betsy was a friend of Benjamin Franklin so it went from there.

Oh my!!!!! How grusomely interesting! Thanks, Richard! :o) Lynn PS I wonder where they got the name for St. Lawrence in Exeter Township? Richard Emlin Reed wrote: Lawrence was executed by being grilled on a gridiron. Rather than shed tears, he is said to have advised his executioner to "turn me over for I am cooked on this side".

Thanks so much for the description of the trees!!!!! Yes, they are there 20 years this year. I'm so glad they flourished!!! They were planted in memory of Mom, June Valeria (Kremer) Andrich. She was a Sr. Nurse's Aide at the Reading Hospital, working in the Pediatrics unit until they remodeled that part_her last was in the OB-GYN, right before she found out about her brain cancer. She painted the windows of the ward for the kids who were terminally ill. Sometimes it was the last thing they actually walked to see. She lived on top of Rentchler's garage on New Holland Rd_it was also a Peugeot Dealer at the time, at 1103A. So, when you pass, think of June-June :o) All the kids loved her. They all wanted to come take my bedroom when I moved out :o) Thanks again, Karen!!!!! Someday I'll have this Old Glenside post finished :o) I would love a picture of the trees when they are in bloom!!!! That would be wonderful for my family research!!! Just let me know! Thanks! :o) Lynn PS LOVED your family history!!!! WOW!!!! I love reading about all these famous family stories!!!! My nieghbor, across the street, was a descendant of William of Orange. He would tell me about being related to him at times in our conversations. One of my former Sunday school students is descended from Sir William Wallace. She had to do a report for school about it, I believe. AT least I remember her saying she needed info on it, because of doing the research project on their families for school. They don't do much in that area, but I guess they are at least trying to get the kids interested in their heritage. We LOVE the pipe organ!!!! Thank your 5th Ggrandfather!!!! Karen wrote: On the elderberry jelly topic, one year when I was about 8 years old, Mom took me & my younger sister and brother picking elderberrys from the bushes that served as hedges dividing some of Aunt Carrie's fields. We picked tons of berries and Mom got the idea she was going to make elderberry jelly at home. What a mess that was! Everything was purple from those berries including us kids LOL. It turned out so yummy, but Mom never tried that again. She stuck with easier to manage (cleanup wise) jellies like apple, peach, pear and gooseberry varieties after that. Famous relatives - I have famous relatives, but they are mostly on my Mom's New England side of the family, not my PA-D side. Some of my famous gr-grandparents of other generations are a slew of Rev War soldiers, Roger Williams the founder of Rhode Island, Mary Barrett Dyer and Anne Marbury Hutchinson (google these ladies if you don't know about them), & John Howland and Elizabeth Tilley (Mayflower Pilgrims). Through Anne Hutchinson's mother, Bridget Dryden, the line continues back through Lords and Barons and Knights and Earls and their wives to Edward I (aka Longshanks) of England (played by Patrick McGoohan in the movie "Braveheart"). Edward's father was Henry III of England, whose own father was King John (Lackland) of England of Magna Carta fame. John's parents were Henry II (aka Curtmantle) of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine. Eleanor and Henry II are my 26th gr-grandparents (played by Kate Hepburn & Peter O'Toole in the movie "The Lion In Winter") . On my Pa-D side, I'm not as far along in my research (funny since I've lived here in Berks all my life) but I do know that one of my 5th gr-grandfathers was Johann/John Jacob Dieffenbach. He built the first pipe organs to be built by a native-born citizen of the U.S.A.

Amazing? Gee! Thanks; I think. Also amazing, most, if not all, of the articles I have scanned refer to St. Lawrence as a martyr. A martyr is one who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles. St. Joan, according to history, was a martyr. She was given a choice; recant or die. Lawrence had no choice; Emperor Valerian persecuted Christians for sport. Lawrence was executed by being grilled on a gridiron. Rather than shed tears, he is said to have advised his executioner to "turn me over for I am cooked on this side". Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy" <better_than_good@yahoo.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] STAR GAZING > > --- Sheila wrote: > > Richard, what are the tears you spoke of? As Richard Reed >> said....your knowledge of the celestial beings is amazing!! Did he >> say, "I'm astronamished"? Amazing choice of words Herr Reed! > ****************** > > I just read an article about the Tears of St. Lawrence?? He was burned > at the stake in 256AD?? I wish I could remember where I read the > article, and remember what it said for sure. > > tracy > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready > for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keep the lessons coming, Richard!!!!!! Thanks! Lynn Richard Emlin Reed: 'Sawrite. The German word for bark (tree) is borke. We said borrick, a homonym with the word for mountain. German for bark (dog) is bellen. We said gowtz.

'Sawrite. The German word for bark (tree) is borke. We said borrick, a homonym with the word for mountain. German for bark (dog) is bellen. We said gowtz. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Stars/Lights/Trees > Oh rats!!!! I didn't see the answer right there in front of me in your > post!!! It's LUCY time again ! > Here I thought I would get a step ahead of you! > Lynn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Emlin Reed > To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Stars/Lights/Trees > > > Lynn extols "those beautiful Dog Wood trees around St. Luke's EC church > in > Shillington". Yes, dogwood trees are pretty. Do you know how you can tell > a > dogwood tree? > > > > By its bark. > Richard Emlin Reed > Wesley Chapel, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:24 AM > Subject: [PD-LIFE] Stars/Lights/Trees > > > > Hi Karen, > > I know they have it too built up now, where I use to live up on the > hill, > > passed the Penwyn? Club (that men's club over that little bridge that > > leads to Mohnton). Well, right after that, if you take the very next > > right, it will take you to Park Terrace Apartments. I use to live up, > up, > > up, and up :o) I was on the very top building, the top floor (there > were > > only two floors to the apartment buildings), facing the tree nursery. > > That was my view from my livingroom window. Anyway, before they built > all > > those houses going up on the right, you could see the stars very > clearly > > up there. There weren't that many street lights at that time. But, > sad > > to say, they built it up, and I'm sure those lights are shinning all > the > > time, along with those motion lights that we are having more and more > of > > around here. My friend, across the street and up two houses, has one > of > > those very sensitive ones. It goes off everytime I walk out of my > kitchen > > to check on things at night. > > Oh, those beautiful Dog Wood trees around St. Luke's EC church in > > Shillington? When my mom passed away, they used the money I donated to > > the church to buy those trees, and some other things they needed for > the > > office inside. When you drive by, which I am sure you do, probably > > everyday, please let me know what they look like!! :o) I'm told they > are > > really pretty at times!!! > > Thanks! > > Lynn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynn, those dogwoods are thriving and are pretty large now. There are 4 of them, along the W. Broad St. side of the church. One of these days when I have my camera I'll try to get you a nice photo. They are really gorgeous in the Spring when they are in bloom! Now you are going to have me thinking about your parents whenever I pass by those trees. On the elderberry jelly topic, one year when I was about 8 years old, Mom took me & my younger sister and brother picking elderberrys from the bushes that served as hedges dividing some of Aunt Carrie's fields. We picked tons of berries and Mom got the idea she was going to make elderberry jelly at home. What a mess that was! Everything was purple from those berries including us kids LOL. It turned out so yummy, but Mom never tried that again. She stuck with easier to manage (cleanup wise) jellies like apple, peach, pear and gooseberry varieties after that. Famous relatives - I have famous relatives, but they are mostly on my Mom's New England side of the family, not my PA-D side. Some of my famous gr-grandparents of other generations are a slew of Rev War soldiers, Roger Williams the founder of Rhode Island, Mary Barrett Dyer and Anne Marbury Hutchinson (google these ladies if you don't know about them), & John Howland and Elizabeth Tilley (Mayflower Pilgrims). Through Anne Hutchinson's mother, Bridget Dryden, the line continues back through Lords and Barons and Knights and Earls and their wives to Edward I (aka Longshanks) of England (played by Patrick McGoohan in the movie "Braveheart"). Edward's father was Henry III of England, whose own father was King John (Lackland) of England of Magna Carta fame. John's parents were Henry II (aka Curtmantle) of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine. Eleanor and Henry II are my 26th gr-grandparents (played by Kate Hepburn & Peter O'Toole in the movie "The Lion In Winter") . On my Pa-D side, I'm not as far along in my research (funny since I've lived here in Berks all my life) but I do know that one of my 5th gr-grandfathers was Johann/John Jacob Dieffenbach. He built the first pipe organs to be built by a native-born citizen of the U.S.A. ~Karen from Berks

Anna, we had two bushes in our back yard. Our ground was fed by underground springs, and there was always a plentiful supply of water. When we would pick the berries our hands, of course, would change color. What a fun time we had. Don

}:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Fox" <karenmfox@verizon.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Life on the Farm > Here's a story from when I was 7 years old that I hope will give you a > grin.

My grandmother always made that wine and said it was for medicinal purposes.? I never found any when I ended up with the house.? Sure must have been sick a good bit.? Connie -----Original Message----- From: Richard Emlin Reed <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:13 am Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Elderberry Jelly/Jam/Syrup Don't forget elderberry wine. The German word for elderberry is Holunderbeere. The wine is called Holunderwein from which came the PA-Dutch name Hullerwei'. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: "Don Churchfield" <dctrk@c2i2.com>; <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Elderberry Jelly/Jam/Syrup > We get that at the Mennonite market I go to a few little towns over. It > is DE-LI-CIOUS!!!!! And Elderberry anything is good for you, too. > My husband takes Sambucol (Elderberry Syrup) every single morning, and > being the sickly person he CAN be, he hasn't had a BAD cold ever since he > started this :o) > Lynn > > Don wrote: > Wow, I haven't had elderberry jelly in a long time! Mother used > to make it every year. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Mary. You now join the HOOT club.? You are one, truly.? Connie -----Original Message----- From: marysaerie <marysaerie@stny.rr.com> To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 5:40 am Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Richard's Question Goose/Geese "If a goose and a goose both add up to geese, Why doesn't the same rule apply to moose/meese? If a mouse becomes mice, and a louse turns to lice, Why doesn't it follow that house becomes hice? If Dad can be Papa and Mom is the Momma, Then why isn't Brad Brapa and Tom now called Tomma? Because, my Dear One, it is never a breeze When learning the language American-eze." It's Five O'clock in the Morning (sounds like a song title to me) so what more do you want at this hour??!!!! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Emlin Reed To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Hunting and Eating it My Pop never hunted and neither did I. Uncle Charlie used to give my Mom a rabbit or two now and then, and, sometimes, a venison roast. She would do something to eliminate the "wild taste". Marinate it, I think. She used to refer to tallow; I just looked it up and, sure enough, there is tallow in a deer's fat. By the way, if a goose and a goose are geese; why aren't a moose and a moose meese? And if more than one bear are bears; why aren't more than one deer deers? Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Hunting and Eating it >I definitely wouldn't have made a good hunter's wife_FOR SURE!!!!!! > Our neighbors, across the street, hunt as a family, and always get deer > and other kinds of animals, during all the hunting seasons. They never > have to buy meat. > Dear burger is so good, but I've never had it any other way except in > burger form. Now I've had Moose, and that needs to be soaked overnight, > to get the wildness out of it_well, most of the wildness anyway. > Do these other animals you are all talking about have a wildness about > them? > :o) > Lynn > PS Now Richard Emlin Reed, I know your gears are rolling on that question > already :o) LOL!!!!! > Barb wrote: > > Yes cleaning then is a pain but its worth it.. BUT I'm getting to old to > do > it now.. > When we moved to MO I showed a friend how to clean a Turtle she then > floured > it and fried it.. It was okay but the soup was better.. I also showed her > how to clean Deer meat once the guys skinned it, NOW she is an expert!! > :) > My family men are great at hunting and fishing..they bow hunt, and gun > hunt > and they fish a lot so we always have lots of deer to share with our > neighbors.. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hello Joan; You have made my day, week, year!!!! I am going to the web site as soon as I finish this mailing to you. Thank you so much. I will write to you soon. Enormous Hug. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Connections to the famous > > In a message dated 8/13/2007 2:57:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > scott1@embarqmail.com writes: > > HI Joan; Thank you for your answer. I am always searching for my brick > wall and one source says my Maria Leib was a Quaker in Lancaster Co. Pa. > Yes, I grasp at straws or anything else I can that might give me a clue. > Yes I am a desperate woman!!!! The info you sent is very interesting and > I > will google. Thanks again, Sally > > > > Sally- > > I don't know who told you the Lancaster County LEIBs were Quaker--they > were > Mennonites. They first appear on the Mennonite census in Germany in the > early 1720s as being taxed but unable to pay the tax to the gracious > landowner > who let them live on his estate because they were poor. Ulrich LEIB came > to > Philadelphia in 1727 on the Molly and settled in Lancaster County where > he soon > had a couple land warrants and then purchased more land in York County. > His > relative Johannes LEIB came over in 1727 on the William and Sarah and > settled in York County. > > I descend from both LEIB lines. Since your Maria is from Lancaster > County > she is most likely a descendant of the Ulrich LEIB line. > > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=joan_young&id=I604 > > Tell me a bit more about her--perhaps I can help. > > Joan > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many things :o) But, as Joan said, it may have been by colony, and place, also? And, it could have been by situation. They certainly got married AWful young for convenience sake many times, especially when crossing the prairie and venturing into new lands, where there may not have been any way of getting consent from someone, especially if both parents were killed, and they were traveling on their own as teens, meeting up with folks. So, I would assume that maybe, in a case like that, the pastor, who came along, would give the consent? Just what would they do in a case like that? Hmmmmmm, I wonder? Lynn Sally wrote: Thank you Lynn, is there anything you haven't done!!! You are amazing. Sally Lynn wrote: > In Columbia, it must have been 21, because all others needed parent's > consent to marry. Being church historian, I have the church records here. > The age, unless it is 21 and over is indicated. If 21 and over, the > records just say "Full Age" or "Of Age". AND, if they didn't give the > age, they have for the one couple, "Full Age" for the groom, and "Consent" > for the bride. > Sally asked: > Hi Judy; I didn't know there was an age restriction. What was the age > for > men and woman or was it the same?

In a message dated 8/13/2007 2:57:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, scott1@embarqmail.com writes: HI Joan; Thank you for your answer. I am always searching for my brick wall and one source says my Maria Leib was a Quaker in Lancaster Co. Pa. Yes, I grasp at straws or anything else I can that might give me a clue. Yes I am a desperate woman!!!! The info you sent is very interesting and I will google. Thanks again, Sally Sally- I don't know who told you the Lancaster County LEIBs were Quaker--they were Mennonites. They first appear on the Mennonite census in Germany in the early 1720s as being taxed but unable to pay the tax to the gracious landowner who let them live on his estate because they were poor. Ulrich LEIB came to Philadelphia in 1727 on the Molly and settled in Lancaster County where he soon had a couple land warrants and then purchased more land in York County. His relative Johannes LEIB came over in 1727 on the William and Sarah and settled in York County. I descend from both LEIB lines. Since your Maria is from Lancaster County she is most likely a descendant of the Ulrich LEIB line. http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=joan_young&id=I604 Tell me a bit more about her--perhaps I can help. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Amen! I join Sherry in thanking you.Have you heard the song,"Thank You For Giving to the Lord"?When we give even a little ,God multiplies it into giving much! Jerilyn > Don, > I would like to thank you for the gift of sacrifice you have given both for > the lord and his children. But also for me as an American. thank you. With out > you and others like you our country would not be where it is today. thank you > sherry >

Thank you Lynn, is there anything you haven't done!!! You are amazing. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Underage Marriages > In Columbia, it must have been 21, because all others needed parent's > consent to marry. Being church historian, I have the church records here. > The age, unless it is 21 and over is indicated. If 21 and over, the > records just say "Full Age" or "Of Age". AND, if they didn't give the > age, they have for the one couple, "Full Age" for the groom, and "Consent" > for the bride. > Lynn > > Sally asked: > Hi Judy; I didn't know there was an age restriction. What was the age > for > men and woman or was it the same? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >