Sometimes the link doesn't show up (thanks Yahoo) http://www.hootowlhollow.com Go to photo gallery, then to kitties. Sorry about that. Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> wrote: Well, I'm glad they were box turtles then. But, they had beakish looking upper lips, with a point, so I just assumed they were snappers. Oops, that's my knowledge of turtles!!! :o) LOL!!!! I still think they are cute :o) I don't see a link? Thanks Jane! Lynn Jane wrote: Those were probably box turtles. I have ridden in the car lots of times with one we rescued from the road to bring home to the garden in hopes that it will eat slugs and such. Most snapping turtles are really big - those we have gotten out of our ponds were sometimes almost 18 inches long. You wouldn't have wanted to flip one of those over because you would have risked losing a finger or toe. They are definitely nasty creatures. They bite right through the heaviest fish hook we can find to try and catch them. We have had lots of pets over the years including farm animals. The only ones we ate were chickens, though most of them were for eggs. I've got pictures of some of our pets on our website. The link is under my signature. Just scroll down to where you can click on photo gallery and then go to the kitty pictures. There are lots more than cats there. Hope you enjoy them. Lynn Vondran wrote: I'm sure they enjoy that!!! When I lived in Mohnton, we would go to an out of the way place to buy our flowers. Every year we would find a large turtle upside down in the middle of the road, stop the car, get out and upright it over at the side where it was headed. But, there were some that didn't make it without getting hit. They are so cute, I couldn't eat one. But, then again, cows are cute, and pigs are cute and I can eat that meat, only if it's from the store :o) and I don't know it's parents :o) Barb wrote: I have a shell of a small one that I use for my daycare. All the kids even my own used it as share time in preschool.. :) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.

In a message dated 8/13/2007 11:21:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, scott1@embarqmail.com writes: What I do have is Maria Leib was born 5/14/1780. Her parents: Peter Leib who married Ursula Elisabeth Geiger who was born 4/26/1741.Their other children were; Elizabeth born 4/4/1773. Daniel born11/15/1774. Maria Leib was possibly Bapst. 1st. Reformed Church, Lancaster, Pa. I also have in notes that they were from Manheim, Lancaster Co. Peter may have been the child of Henry Leib born @ 1745 Died 1807 in Dover Twp, York Co. Pa His wife may have been Magdalena Beitzel. . ----- Sally- Peter LEIB is the son of Ulrich LEIB and wife Veronica (maiden name unknown). There were at least 7 sons of Ulrich and Veronica: Henry (my ancestor), Ulrich, Christian, Abraham, John, Peter, and Jacob. Peter married Ursula Elizabeth GEIGER born 26 APR 1741 and Bapt. 1st Ref. Church, Lancaster, PA. She is the daughter of Christian GEIGER and 2nd wife, Anna Marie ESSKUCHIN. Christian GEIGER arrived in Philadelphia in 1737 on the Charming Nancy. Christian GEIGER is known to have been a cousin of other GEIGERs in PA in Colonial days--most notably Paul GEIGER of Geigertown. This GEIGER family was from Richen and Berwangen, Germany after the 30 Years War. Peter and Ursula Elizabeth LEIB had three children: Elizabeth LEIB b: 4 APR 1773 Daniel LEIB b: 15 NOV 1774 Maria LEIB b: BEF. 14 MAY 1780 Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Good Lord Lynn was Porter the same as Port Wine? My grandparents let me have a tiny glass of Gallo port wine on occasions too. We have lots of similarities. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] ELDERBERRY WINE & "WHITE LIGHTNING" > Mom use to let me have a half glass of Porter, with my dinnner_said it was > a blood builder! I loved that stuff, though. Probably the wine built up > the blood. > Or maybe it WAS the "witching hour" as you said :o) LOL!!!!! > Lynn > > > Joe wrote: > Maybe it was the witching hour that chased the cold away!!! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My dad used to kill the baby pigeons whenever they weren't able to be kept because of over population, or "not from good parents", & used to just use a sharp tool to killl them, one whack! I used to watch from afar, & wonder why he was doing it,. but of course I understand the population problem. Sort of, but never ate them, though sometimes I wonder why! Though I don't think I would be able to clean them either! Becauser I loved them! So understand the sentiments of others listers. Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Tracy <better_than_good@yahoo.com> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/13/2007 2:19:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Snapping Turtles :o)/grocery stores > > > --- Barb wrote: > > > LOL Lynn you are a card.. LOL > > Guess you would not make it in the old days..We used to hold the > > chickens heads while Dad cut them off then we let the headless > chicken run till it dropped.. LOL With 8 kids lined up we cleaned lots > of chickens each of us with a certain job.. > > NO WAY WILL I CLEAN A CHICKEN NOW!!!! Grocery stores are GREAT!! > ****************************** > > I'm with Lynn! > > If I had lived in the "old" days or even on a farm, I would be a > vegetarian and thin! > My hubby can't understand how I can eat beef or chicken from the > grocery store (I really don't think about where it came from!) but > won't eat it fresh. He is still trying to get me to eat > venison...either as burger, roast or jerky. If I know it was walking > around just yesterday, I can't eat it!! > > tracy > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM

Hi Joan: What I do have is Maria Leib was born 5/14/1780. Her parents: Peter Leib who married Ursula Elisabeth Geiger who was born 4/26/1741.Their other children were; Elizabeth born 4/4/1773. Daniel born11/15/1774. Maria Leib was possibly Bapst. 1st. Reformed Church, Lancaster, Pa. I also have in notes that they were from Manheim, Lancaster Co. Peter may have been the child of Henry Leib born @ 1745 Died 1807 in Dover Twp, York Co. Pa His wife may have been Magdalena Beitzel. . Henry's father Ulrich B Leib who married a Veronica. This Ulrich Leib immigrated to America on the Molly. My line is John Grant who married Maria Leib possibly the daughter of Peter Leib and Ursula Elizabeth Geiger, . I believe John Grant and Maria Leib were married later part of 1790'a because in the 1800 census, John Grant is married with small children. John Grant and Maria Leib had 5 children that I do know of. Jacob born 1803 married Lidia Knabb. Charles born 1808 married Catherine Knauss, Maria born 1810 married Jacob Mock, Jeremiah born 1813 married Elenora Fuchs, Bartolette born 1817 married Esther Stapleton, I did find Jacob Grand at Swartzwald, Jacksonwald, Pa. I did find records at St. Pauls Amityville, Pa on Maria Grant and confirmations of Jeremiah and Ellenora. Bartolette Grant who is my direct line was married at Faulkner Swamp in 1843. It seems like this family of mine was all over Berks Co. Amity, Exeter, Oley, St. Lawrence, Stonersville, Weavertown. . But if Maria Leib was a Mennonite and went out of her faith to marry John Grant that could explain why there was no long term church affiliation. Joan, I have tried to find information on John Grant for over 30 years. I am also related to more Geigers, Drumhellers, Fry's, Keeners, Haags, Schlappich. Do you know where I could check records on my Maria Leib for a possible marriage to John Grant, or the births and marriages on their children. I have a white kind of sheer hat that looks like an old order Amish hat. That I never knew where it came from among my grandparents belonging after they died in 1963. I have it packed away. Now I am wondering if this could have belonged to Maria Leib. I hope I haven't overwhelmed you. I love genealogy and just ramble on so, I am sorry. I am 59 married with 2 daughters one married with 4 sons. My youngest daughter is a pre school teacher. I worked for our local hospital for 36 years but had to retire on disability about 4 years ago. I am doing a lot better now. We live just outside of Newton New Jersey in the NWestern part of the state. We also have an18 yr old cat that keeps me lots of company and entertained. I thank you so much for the info on the Leibs and if anything looks familiar please let me know or ask any questions that we might be able to connect with. That would be wonderful. Over 30 years of searching for John Grant and Maria Leib, sometimes I get so close I can just taste it!!! If you have any brick walls please let me know and in my searching I just may find something to help you. Thank you again Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Connections to the famous > > In a message dated 8/13/2007 2:57:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > scott1@embarqmail.com writes: > > HI Joan; Thank you for your answer. I am always searching for my brick > wall and one source says my Maria Leib was a Quaker in Lancaster Co. Pa. > Yes, I grasp at straws or anything else I can that might give me a clue. > Yes I am a desperate woman!!!! The info you sent is very interesting and > I > will google. Thanks again, Sally > > > > Sally- > > I don't know who told you the Lancaster County LEIBs were Quaker--they > were > Mennonites. They first appear on the Mennonite census in Germany in the > early 1720s as being taxed but unable to pay the tax to the gracious > landowner > who let them live on his estate because they were poor. Ulrich LEIB came > to > Philadelphia in 1727 on the Molly and settled in Lancaster County where > he soon > had a couple land warrants and then purchased more land in York County. > His > relative Johannes LEIB came over in 1727 on the William and Sarah and > settled in York County. > > I descend from both LEIB lines. Since your Maria is from Lancaster > County > she is most likely a descendant of the Ulrich LEIB line. > > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=joan_young&id=I604 > > Tell me a bit more about her--perhaps I can help. > > Joan > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That is so sad, but with children, you would think they would not do those things to put themselves into harms way.? Are there fathers?? Connie -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 7:43 pm Subject: [PD-LIFE] The accident Those ages of those girls ran from 21 to 23. They were not ALL the same age, as the one newspaper said. Maybe most were in the same class in school, I don't know. The one driving, was the one who died, while the others are still in critical condition. The funeral is Thursday at the church in our block. I'm not sure if I will go to that, or to the funeral home to give my condolenses to the family. They are not having a viewing for Ashley Wolpert. Lynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

'Sawrite. The German word for bark (tree) is borke. We said borrick, a homonym with the word for mountain. German for bark (dog) is bellen. We said gowtz. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL -------------------- That's interesting! I wonder if that would apply to the surnames BORKE, BORRICK and its variations? Rick B

Lynn says she would watch the show. Well, for those of you who missed it, here's how it turned out. There once was an old rusticator Who thought he could ride an alligator. They returned from the ride With the gent still astride Now a famous 'gator dominator. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: "Richard Berkheiser" <reberkheiser@earthlink.net>; <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Spikes and alligators > LOL!!!!!! I would watch the show ;o) > Lynn > > Rick wrote: > Hmmmmm. Richard Emlin Reed as the new Crocodile Hunter! Could be a big > hit!

Lynn asks, "I wonder where they got the name for St. Lawrence in Exeter Township?". St. Lawrence, ncorporated in 1927, was named for a brand name of wool made by William Brumbach. His wool mill was named the St. Lawrence Woolen Mill, the town took that as its name. St. Lawrence was also previously known as Esterly, named for the keeper of the defunct Black Bear Hotel, Frank Esterly. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ps Excerpt from Wikipedia ---- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:08 PM Subject: [PD-LIFE] St. Lawrence > Oh my!!!!! How grusomely interesting! > Thanks, Richard! > :o) > Lynn > PS I wonder where they got the name for St. Lawrence in Exeter Township?

All this talk about marriages reminds me of a custom back in the old, old days where a man and a woman would rise in church on three consecutive Sundays and proclaim their intention to be married. I think this was also known as reading the banns. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Underage Marriages > Many things :o) > But, as Joan said, it may have been by colony, and place, also? And, it > could have been by situation. They certainly got married AWful young for > convenience sake many times, especially when crossing the prairie and > venturing into new lands, where there may not have been any way of getting > consent from someone, especially if both parents were killed, and they > were traveling on their own as teens, meeting up with folks. So, I would > assume that maybe, in a case like that, the pastor, who came along, would > give the consent? Just what would they do in a case like that? > Hmmmmmm, I wonder? > Lynn

Are these Ginger Drop cookies soft? Lynn

Karen, I just read your e-mail in which you mentioned Henry DeHart. I am looking for the parents of Harrison DeHart married to Kathryn Bennethum. They are buried in Meyerstown, Pa. They had a son named George W. married to Sarah Spangler. It has been my brick wall for many years trying to find Harrison's parents. Any help, Anna in AZ ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi Barb and Anyone else, I have a lot of bread recipes, but do you happen to have any bread that is NOT made with yeast? Now, I''m NOT talking about zucchini, pumpkin, etc. kinds of breads. I'm talking about regular bread, bread. Thanks! Lynn PS Remember, NO yeast, if you have one. I'm also not talking about Indian Fry Bread, either. There just has to be a BREAD, bread out there that doesn't use yeast to make it rise. Barb wrote: I was taught to make home made bread using a x large pan when I was 8 years old Mom never measured anything either . Everything turns out great you know from the feel of it when you have enough four making bread.. :)

--- Rick wrote: > Here's the link to Jack Horkheimer's script telling about St. > Lawrence's Tears. > > http://www.jackstargazer.com/scripts0SG0732.html ********************** I've seen this show! I always catch about the last 10 seconds of it. It comes on sometime in the wee early hours of morning (3 or 4 am). tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/

--- Sheila wrote: > I think that the mountain folks have developed a special techinque > for hiding them. It's called "Anthing to keep the Feds Away" found > in their White Lightning" Survival Kit....kept by the jug and the > corn cob pipe. ************************** Sheila, The Feds know where lots of stills are, they just worry about the folks and their guns!! :-) My cousin-in-law is with the DNR, Game Commission or Fish and Wildlife (whatever it is called in WV). tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC

Those ages of those girls ran from 21 to 23. They were not ALL the same age, as the one newspaper said. Maybe most were in the same class in school, I don't know. The one driving, was the one who died, while the others are still in critical condition. The funeral is Thursday at the church in our block. I'm not sure if I will go to that, or to the funeral home to give my condolenses to the family. They are not having a viewing for Ashley Wolpert. Lynn

I just read an article about the Tears of St. Lawrence?? He was burned at the stake in 256AD?? I wish I could remember where I read the article, and remember what it said for sure. tracy -------------------- Here's the link to Jack Horkheimer's script telling about St. Lawrence's Tears. http://www.jackstargazer.com/scripts0SG0732.html Enjoy! Rick B

I guess since this is a genealogy list, I should list some of the names I am researching. They are: CHURCHFIELD, BRANDON, ORR, HECKART, LEEPER, COULTER, SANKEY, RAPP Don

Thanks for the date, Rick! Tying those stars with that date, gave me the date I needed for writing up the story of my neighbors and me going star gazing. Now all I have to do is get the year we went, from them, when we go visit them next week :o) You just learn about EVERYthing on this list !!!:o)Lynn -------------------- You're welcome! I actually thought maybe I strayed too far off topic when I posted that subject. Looks like its benefited some of your family histories. Rick B

Lynn, I'm a hunter's wife. He gets, cleans and eats the meat. I do the dishes! He'll cook his deer roast in beer too. You can marinate the meat in Italian dressing, turns out great. Smells good but I won't eat any of it. You can also soak the meat in milk to take the game taste out of it. tracy --- Lynn wrote: > I definitely wouldn't have made a good hunter's wife_FOR SURE!!!!!! > Dear burger is so good, but I've never had it any other way except in > burger form. Now I've had Moose, and that needs to be soaked > overnight, to get the wildness out of it_well, most of the wildness > anyway. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/