Hi Rick, and All, Actually, I believe Mike orders it a few bottles at a time at www.drugstore.com ? You are talking about the Sambucol, correct? :o) Lynn PS Yes, you two are similar in your seasonal illnesses. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Berkheiser To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Elderberry Jelly/Jam/Syrup We get that at the Mennonite market I go to a few little towns over. It is DE-LI-CIOUS!!!!! And Elderberry anything is good for you, too. My husband takes Sambucol (Elderberry Syrup) every single morning, and being the sickly person he CAN be, he hasn't had a BAD cold ever since he started this :o) Lynn --------------------- Lynn! Can that stuff be found at Wal-Mart? I might have to try it since the last couple of winters I've been sidelined by that respiratory virus. That one time last year kept me off the computer for several days. Even then I didn't fully recover until late March when I had it since September. Mike and I are similar in our health patterns so maybe it would help. Rick B ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We get that at the Mennonite market I go to a few little towns over. It is DE-LI-CIOUS!!!!! And Elderberry anything is good for you, too. My husband takes Sambucol (Elderberry Syrup) every single morning, and being the sickly person he CAN be, he hasn't had a BAD cold ever since he started this :o) Lynn --------------------- Lynn! Can that stuff be found at Wal-Mart? I might have to try it since the last couple of winters I've been sidelined by that respiratory virus. That one time last year kept me off the computer for several days. Even then I didn't fully recover until late March when I had it since September. Mike and I are similar in our health patterns so maybe it would help. Rick B

Richard, let me know if my Elizabeth intersects with your Achenbach tree. -------------------- Hey Karen! Your Achenbach family tree might actually intersect with mine and Lynn's! Is your Elizabeth Achenbach married to Leonhart Bressler (1796-1884)? Rick B

Hi John and Joyce!!!!!! Welcome back to the list!!! We missed you ! :o) Lynn PS Glad you made it home safely!!!

All this talk about marriages reminds me of a custom back in the old, old days where a man and a woman would rise in church on three consecutive Sundays and proclaim their intention to be married. I think this was also known as reading the banns. Richard Emlin Reed -------------------- I'm reposting this note from Richard for the benefit of John and Joyce Keiper who have just rejoined us today. I'm hoping John will be able to shed some light on this custom. Rick B

Richard....just wanted you to notice that I am trying to interject genealogy in my posts -family history of moonshiners, cuz's marrying cuz's, but it's genealogy! Sheila in WV Anybody have a Christian (Bower) (Bauer) Bowers in their tree? Born in Germany about 1730, died about 1816 in Shenandoah, or his wife, a Elizabeth (Bowyers) (Bower) Schindeldecker married about 1762? Might be father of my Philip Bowyer married to Elizabeth Bowers (they were listed as Bowers in the census in VA., then the son also a Philip was listed as a Bowyer. And there is a J.C. Bowers born A 1735, another possibility as father of Philip. Children of J.C. Bowers: Ludwig "Lewis" born about 1760 maried Elizabeth Fulz, born about 1760, father: John Fulz of Lancaster and mother was Anna Catherine Zallhaferine Margreda born about 1764 Christian Bower married Elizabeth Andres, father Adam Andres Henry born about 1770 married Magdalene Polly Collfet, son of Clay Coffelt Augustine born about 1771 married Lydia, daughter William ? John born about 1775 married Mary Ann Miller born 1775, daughter of George Miller and possibly my Philip born about 1782 maried Elizabeth on May 6, 1802. Anybody have any connections, info? My uncle thinks we are English, but this is definately German. Searching to make a link. Thanks!!! Sheila in WV --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

Del, So that's why those Nascar cars go so fast - and I thought it was the super fuel they used...wonder if they inject just a tad of that home brew to make their cars go extra fast...and to think that's how they got to the Nascar stage - outrunning those DNR guys...and yes, in WV it is the Department of Natural Resources. Sounds right since white lightning is made out corn. That's natural enough...lots of corn for the DNR. And it is so true that it's the guns they are afraid of. I think most everybody in the hills here has a gun right next to their hound dog, and they are not afraid to use it to keep anybody they don't want on THEIR LAND In these parts they don't look kindly on those who are not land owners - sad to say. I have tried to determine how these deep rooted feelings have become so deeply inbred ....well, that's another whole chapter about WV....cousins to cousins, brother to sister. It's true...it's in my genealogy in the Ratliffs, and about every other line too. I'll be doing a search, and ooops, there are the same grandparents, or same aunts and uncles. Makes it REAL INTERSTING! Kind of got off the subject there, but your comment about Nascar and White Lightning is interesting - I didn't know that. No wonder NASCAR is so big in these parts! And you had a Moonshiner in your family. I am sure I did too! Sheila in WV --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

I hope you post it as I need to stay away from yeast also.? Connie -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Raber <pigeonrock@earthlink.net> To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 9:49 am Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Bread Jane, Would you perhaps have a recipe? Is it hard to do? I'm sure that Lynn & I are NOT the only ones. Thanks, Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Jane Unger <janielou13@yahoo.com> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/14/2007 8:07:48 AM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Bread > > Irish Soda Bread doesn't have any yeast and can be made with white or whole wheat flour. It is a little heavier, but really yummy. > Jane > > Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> wrote: > Hi Barb and Anyone else, > I have a lot of bread recipes, but do you happen to have any bread that is NOT made with yeast? Now, I''m NOT talking about zucchini, pumpkin, etc. kinds of breads. I'm talking about regular bread, bread. > Thanks! > Lynn > PS Remember, NO yeast, if you have one. I'm also not talking about Indian Fry Bread, either. There just has to be a BREAD, bread out there that doesn't use yeast to make it rise. > > > > > Barb wrote: > I was taught to make home made bread using a x large pan when I was 8 years > old Mom never measured anything either . Everything turns out great you > know from the feel of it when you have enough four making bread.. :) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Sheila, As a kid I watched "Thunder Road" with Robert Mitchum and fell head over heel sin like with his character. The scoundrel! Oh, the racing car delivering the illegal hooch! My grandfather was a moonshiner in Norwalk, Ohio! Wa-hoo! He was trying to support his large family back then. I read that NASCAR and other racing venues owe their start to the moonshiners improving their cars, racing one another and a multi-billion sport was born (a slow birth). Smiles, Anna -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Kline Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:02 PM To: PaDutch-Life@rootsweb.com Subject: [PD-LIFE] ELDERBERRY WINE & "WHITE LIGHTNING" Connie...the elderberry wine that was supposedly used for medicinal purposes in your house, must be like the "white lightning" here in WV that is supposed to keep the "meanace" out of ya! I wonder how many stills are out there hidden in these mountains to this day? There sure is a lot of wild territory here, so wild that it would be hard for the feds to find, unless they had a blood hound like the one in "Oh, Brother Where Art Thou". I think that the mountain folks have developed a special techinque for hiding them. It's called "Anthing to keep the Feds Away" found in their White Lightning" Survival Kit....kept by the jug and the corn cob pipe. Sheila in the hills of WV --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Go to Google and type in 'unleavened bread'. It will give you a bevy of sites. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Del Bristol To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Bread I thought there would be some type of Jewish bread and East Indian bread..challah? Smiles, Anna -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:37 PM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: [PD-LIFE] Bread Hi Barb and Anyone else, I have a lot of bread recipes, but do you happen to have any bread that is NOT made with yeast? Now, I''m NOT talking about zucchini, pumpkin, etc. kinds of breads. I'm talking about regular bread, bread. Thanks! Lynn PS Remember, NO yeast, if you have one. I'm also not talking about Indian Fry Bread, either. There just has to be a BREAD, bread out there that doesn't use yeast to make it rise. Barb wrote: I was taught to make home made bread using a x large pan when I was 8 years old Mom never measured anything either . Everything turns out great you know from the feel of it when you have enough four making bread.. :) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought there would be some type of Jewish bread and East Indian bread..challah? Smiles, Anna -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:37 PM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: [PD-LIFE] Bread Hi Barb and Anyone else, I have a lot of bread recipes, but do you happen to have any bread that is NOT made with yeast? Now, I''m NOT talking about zucchini, pumpkin, etc. kinds of breads. I'm talking about regular bread, bread. Thanks! Lynn PS Remember, NO yeast, if you have one. I'm also not talking about Indian Fry Bread, either. There just has to be a BREAD, bread out there that doesn't use yeast to make it rise. Barb wrote: I was taught to make home made bread using a x large pan when I was 8 years old Mom never measured anything either . Everything turns out great you know from the feel of it when you have enough four making bread.. :) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwe! ----- Original Message ----- From: <twerppy@aol.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] With Baited and Bated Breath > > Richard, I am still in awe of you.? Connie

They were either read or posted, I guess on the church door. My very old fashioned husband had ours read out in the church where we were to be married for the 3 weeks before our wedding and that was only 12 years ago. Now that wedding is a whole other story. We drove from West Virginia to The Bronx where his best friend was a pastor. The weather was fine on the way up and the day before, but the morning of the wedding there was suddenly a foot of snow on the ground. Needless to say, not many people got there for the ceremony, mostly my matron of honor and his best man. My late husbands father who was in his upper 80s at the time got there before us and shoveled the church steps because the janitor couldn't get there and he just happened to have a shovel in his trunk. ...Just one adventure after another around here... Richard Emlin Reed <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: All this talk about marriages reminds me of a custom back in the old, old days where a man and a woman would rise in church on three consecutive Sundays and proclaim their intention to be married. I think this was also known as reading the banns. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Underage Marriages > Many things :o) > But, as Joan said, it may have been by colony, and place, also? And, it > could have been by situation. They certainly got married AWful young for > convenience sake many times, especially when crossing the prairie and > venturing into new lands, where there may not have been any way of getting > consent from someone, especially if both parents were killed, and they > were traveling on their own as teens, meeting up with folks. So, I would > assume that maybe, in a case like that, the pastor, who came along, would > give the consent? Just what would they do in a case like that? > Hmmmmmm, I wonder? > Lynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

It's more breadlike than spongie or cake-like. It's heaier than something like Sunbeam Bread, but not really what I'd call heavy like some of the breads I ate in Germany. It comes out the same color as all of my other homemade bread. (we don't buy any of our bread as both my husband and I like to bake). Hope this makes sense. You'll just have to try it and see for yourselves. Jane Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> wrote: Hi Jane, Maybe you can educate me on the Irish Soda Bread texture :o) Is it harder, or very soft? Is it spongie or cake-like? When you make it all white flour, is the inside white, white like Mayer's Sunbeam Bread, or is it more like an off white? There, is it the texture of a really FRESH loaf of Sunbeam Bread? Oh, speaking of bread. Does anyone remember Sunbeam's ROUND sandwich bread!!! I LOVED that bread, and wish it was still aROUND_no pun intended_yeah, right :o) Lynn Jane wrote: Irish Soda Bread doesn't have any yeast and can be made with white or whole wheat flour. It is a little heavier, but really yummy. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.

Much easier than yeast bread, and a lot faster. I learned to make it when I spent some time in Ireland back in the mid 70s. Irish Soda Bread 2 cups all purpose flour (can use part whole wheat) 2 Tablespoons sugar 1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 1/2 teaspoon salt 2 Tablespoons butter 3/4 cup plus 2 Tablespoons buttermilk (or soured milk) 1/2 cup currants (optional, but nice if you're using this for breakfast) In a bowl, combine the flour, sugar, baking powder, baking soda and salt. Cut the butter into the flour mixture with a pastry blender or 2 knives. Add the buttermilk and mix thoroughly into a soft dough. Add the currants if you're using them. Knead the dough on a lightly floured board about 3 minutes or until smooth. Form the dough into a 7 inch flat round and place in a lightly oiled cake tin. Cut a cross about 1/2 inch deep in the center of the round. Bake in a 375 degree oven for 40 minutes. Cool on a wire rack. Enjoy. Best eaten within a day or two, but that's not usually a problem around here. Jane Cathy Raber <pigeonrock@earthlink.net> wrote: Jane, Would you perhaps have a recipe? Is it hard to do? I'm sure that Lynn & I are NOT the only ones. Thanks, Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Jane Unger > To: > Date: 8/14/2007 8:07:48 AM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Bread > > Irish Soda Bread doesn't have any yeast and can be made with white or whole wheat flour. It is a little heavier, but really yummy. > Jane > > Lynn Vondran wrote: > Hi Barb and Anyone else, > I have a lot of bread recipes, but do you happen to have any bread that is NOT made with yeast? Now, I''m NOT talking about zucchini, pumpkin, etc. kinds of breads. I'm talking about regular bread, bread. > Thanks! > Lynn > PS Remember, NO yeast, if you have one. I'm also not talking about Indian Fry Bread, either. There just has to be a BREAD, bread out there that doesn't use yeast to make it rise. > > > > > Barb wrote: > I was taught to make home made bread using a x large pan when I was 8 years > old Mom never measured anything either . Everything turns out great you > know from the feel of it when you have enough four making bread.. :) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.

I've made Challah for years, but that has lots of yeast in it. I think it's because it has several eggs and that makes it harder to rise. Jane Del Bristol <bristol@wcnet.org> wrote: I thought there would be some type of Jewish bread and East Indian bread..challah? Smiles, Anna -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:37 PM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: [PD-LIFE] Bread Hi Barb and Anyone else, I have a lot of bread recipes, but do you happen to have any bread that is NOT made with yeast? Now, I''m NOT talking about zucchini, pumpkin, etc. kinds of breads. I'm talking about regular bread, bread. Thanks! Lynn PS Remember, NO yeast, if you have one. I'm also not talking about Indian Fry Bread, either. There just has to be a BREAD, bread out there that doesn't use yeast to make it rise. Barb wrote: I was taught to make home made bread using a x large pan when I was 8 years old Mom never measured anything either . Everything turns out great you know from the feel of it when you have enough four making bread.. :) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.

Oooooooo, another good poem :o) Ride 'em Richard Emlin Reed, the 'gator dominator!!!Maybe you'll make it as big as Schwartzenager did with The Terminator :o) Lynn Richard Emlin Reed wrote: There once was an old rusticator Who thought he could ride an alligator. They returned from the ride With the gent still astride Now a famous 'gator dominator.

LOL!!!!!! SURE it can :o) Sally wrote: Oh Thank you Richard. This can be our little secret!!!! Richard Emlin Reed wrote: > Wer Ich? Nein, Ich lasse die Katze nicht aus dem Sack. > Wer Ich? Nay, Ich luss dee kotz net aus dem sock. > Who me? No, I won't let the cat out of the bag.

Yeah! And just think; the guy that wrote that inept script probably drew a six-figure salary. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "marysaerie" <marysaerie@stny.rr.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] With Baited and Bated Breath >I distinctly remember a Mork and Mindy episode where Mork exclaimed that he > was waiting "..... with worms on tongue...." which threw Mindy for a loop. > When > questioned about what he meant, Mork said, "....... what you Earthlings > call waiting > with baited breath....". That has stuck with me all of these years..... > > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Vuxta > To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] With Baited and Bated Breath > > > Richard, > > I also believe there are some who either wittingly or unwittingly have > added > to the mis-spelling by paraphrasing the saying to "with bait for breath" > which describes some people we all know. > > > Ron Vuxta > Fallon, Nevada > > -----Original Message----- > From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Emlin > Reed > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:08 AM > To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PD-LIFE] With Baited and Bated Breath > > We have quite a few words and expressions which are mis-spelled so often > that the incorrect version becomes the accepted one. One such is "with > baited breath". We are all familiar with the word "abate" which means to > reduce in amount or intensity, to moderate. "Bate" is a contraction of > "abate" through a process called aphesis, loss of the unstressed first > vowel; but it has the same meaning. Abated, or bated, breath occurs when > one > holds one's breath as a result of being startled, anxious, or frightened; > as > in "You took my breath away", meaning "you frightened me". The expression > has come to mean a state of anticipation. Instead of being short of > breath > unexpectedly, one anticipates the condition. And, to compound the error, > those unfamiliar with "bate" but familiar with "bait" have also changed > the > spelling. In reality, nobody who uses the idiom is short of breath. It is > simply an expression used to stress one's emotions. Instead of just > saying, > "I await your arrival"; we add "with bated breath" to indicate that we > are > really anxious to see you. > > For an example of the correct use of "with baited breath" we must read > Geoffrey Taylor's verse in his poem Cruel Clever Cat: > Sally, having swallowed cheese, > Directs down holes the scented breeze, > Enticing thus with baited breath > Nice mice to an untimely death. > > Richard Emlin Reed > Wesley Chapel, FL

Oh Thank you Richard. This can be our little secret!!!! Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Emlin Reed" <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Porter vs. Port Wine > Wer Ich? Nein, Ich lasse die Katze nicht aus dem Sack. > Wer Ich? Nay, Ich luss dee kotz net aus dem sock. > Who me? No, I won't let the cat out of the bag. > > Richard Emlin Reed > Wesley Chapel, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ and Sally" <scott1@embarqmail.com> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Porter vs. Port Wine > > >> Ah now I know. I wonder if my grandma had anemia too! I just love >> this >> list I am learning so oo ooo much. I write to a man in Bavaria and I >> send >> him a new word from Richard every once in a while. He just thinks I am >> smart. Hope Richard doesn't tell!!! Hugs > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >