Mary, you are so right! We are, indeed, at the mercy of those who have gone before. And, of course, the gothic script didn't help. Picture this /l/ as a continuous figure and you have a depiction of the letter c. Since curves are easier to make than abrupt changes of direction; the two acute angles became the curved letter c we draw (write) today. Similarly, draw /l/"l/ (picture the quotationmark as a little u) as a continuous figure. This was the gothic letter a. And /l/l/ evolved into an upside down version of our letter e. And so on and on. This is the sxript that the infamous Hitler abolished, it is said, when he came to power. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "marysaerie" <marysaerie@stny.rr.com> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > Thank you, Richard. I always enjoy your lessons. I just know from > experience that > looking at Census records can some times be quite misleading as to the > proper > spelling of the name, especially pre-1900. I just wanted Cathy to know > that whoever > came up with Efftla could possibly have mistaken it for Esstla, or > Estella. We are so > at the mercy of the census-takers and the transcriptionists. > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Emlin Reed > To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > > One can usually distinguish the lower case f and s. The cursive f has a > loop > on top and a straight line on the bottom; whereas the cursive s is a > straight line from top to bottom. The typed f has a half bar on the right > side of the vertical staff; the typed s does not. > Richard Emlin Reed > Wesley Chapel, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marysaerie" <marysaerie@stny.rr.com> > To: "Cathy Raber" <pigeonrock@earthlink.net>; <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > > > Cathy, > > Here is my thought on the subject: Some times, in the old, fancy > cursive > > writing that was used (and even with some printing), the letter 's' > looked > > like an 'f'. One doesn't realize that unless one has looked at a lot > of > > records. > > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cathy Raber > > To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:44 AM > > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > > > > > > > See, Joan that was what I was thinking exactly, Joan, that's > > what I was wondering myself! The middle name of the mother was Stella, > & > > so thought that was the case, but not sure! I guess I'll assume that's > > the case, until I can find, IF I FIND soemthing that might have it in > > print!! > > Thanks!! Like minds, I guess!! Anyone know of a webpage that might > have > > German names, that might translate names from old scripts? That's > going > > to bug me until I know for sure!! Cathy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: JYoung6180@aol.com > > >Sent: Aug 18, 2007 9:37 AM > > >To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 8/18/2007 8:54:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > >karenmfox@verizon.net writes: > > > > > >Hi Cathy, > > > > > >Just a hunch, but when I said 'Efftla' out loud, the first thing > that > > came > > >to mind is that it > > >was Esther and whoever wrote the obit either had a very bad typo or > > didn't > > >understand > > >the accent and wrote what they thought they "heard". Kind of how we > > come > > >across all > > >those crazy misspellings in the census records. > > > > > >~Karen from Berks. > > > > > > > > > > > >----- > > >I just wonder if the name wasn't taken from old script where the > esses > > can > > >look like efs. If the name was written out in longhand it could well > > just > > >have been Estella. > > > > > >Joan

Thank you, Richard. I always enjoy your lessons. I just know from experience that looking at Census records can some times be quite misleading as to the proper spelling of the name, especially pre-1900. I just wanted Cathy to know that whoever came up with Efftla could possibly have mistaken it for Esstla, or Estella. We are so at the mercy of the census-takers and the transcriptionists. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Emlin Reed To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? One can usually distinguish the lower case f and s. The cursive f has a loop on top and a straight line on the bottom; whereas the cursive s is a straight line from top to bottom. The typed f has a half bar on the right side of the vertical staff; the typed s does not. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "marysaerie" <marysaerie@stny.rr.com> To: "Cathy Raber" <pigeonrock@earthlink.net>; <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > Cathy, > Here is my thought on the subject: Some times, in the old, fancy cursive > writing that was used (and even with some printing), the letter 's' looked > like an 'f'. One doesn't realize that unless one has looked at a lot of > records. > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cathy Raber > To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > > > See, Joan that was what I was thinking exactly, Joan, that's > what I was wondering myself! The middle name of the mother was Stella, & > so thought that was the case, but not sure! I guess I'll assume that's > the case, until I can find, IF I FIND soemthing that might have it in > print!! > Thanks!! Like minds, I guess!! Anyone know of a webpage that might have > German names, that might translate names from old scripts? That's going > to bug me until I know for sure!! Cathy > > -----Original Message----- > >From: JYoung6180@aol.com > >Sent: Aug 18, 2007 9:37 AM > >To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > > > > >In a message dated 8/18/2007 8:54:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >karenmfox@verizon.net writes: > > > >Hi Cathy, > > > >Just a hunch, but when I said 'Efftla' out loud, the first thing that > came > >to mind is that it > >was Esther and whoever wrote the obit either had a very bad typo or > didn't > >understand > >the accent and wrote what they thought they "heard". Kind of how we > come > >across all > >those crazy misspellings in the census records. > > > >~Karen from Berks. > > > > > > > >----- > >I just wonder if the name wasn't taken from old script where the esses > can > >look like efs. If the name was written out in longhand it could well > just > >have been Estella. > > > >Joan > > > > > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new > AOL at > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Doing Names: Brothers, Cain, Coleman, Davis, Embree, McKain, McKinnon, > Merriman, Palmer, Plummer, Raber, Stevens, Wright > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One can usually distinguish the lower case f and s. The cursive f has a loop on top and a straight line on the bottom; whereas the cursive s is a straight line from top to bottom. The typed f has a half bar on the right side of the vertical staff; the typed s does not. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "marysaerie" <marysaerie@stny.rr.com> To: "Cathy Raber" <pigeonrock@earthlink.net>; <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > Cathy, > Here is my thought on the subject: Some times, in the old, fancy cursive > writing that was used (and even with some printing), the letter 's' looked > like an 'f'. One doesn't realize that unless one has looked at a lot of > records. > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cathy Raber > To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > > > See, Joan that was what I was thinking exactly, Joan, that's > what I was wondering myself! The middle name of the mother was Stella, & > so thought that was the case, but not sure! I guess I'll assume that's > the case, until I can find, IF I FIND soemthing that might have it in > print!! > Thanks!! Like minds, I guess!! Anyone know of a webpage that might have > German names, that might translate names from old scripts? That's going > to bug me until I know for sure!! Cathy > > -----Original Message----- > >From: JYoung6180@aol.com > >Sent: Aug 18, 2007 9:37 AM > >To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > > > > >In a message dated 8/18/2007 8:54:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >karenmfox@verizon.net writes: > > > >Hi Cathy, > > > >Just a hunch, but when I said 'Efftla' out loud, the first thing that > came > >to mind is that it > >was Esther and whoever wrote the obit either had a very bad typo or > didn't > >understand > >the accent and wrote what they thought they "heard". Kind of how we > come > >across all > >those crazy misspellings in the census records. > > > >~Karen from Berks. > > > > > > > >----- > >I just wonder if the name wasn't taken from old script where the esses > can > >look like efs. If the name was written out in longhand it could well > just > >have been Estella. > > > >Joan > > > > > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new > AOL at > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Doing Names: Brothers, Cain, Coleman, Davis, Embree, McKain, McKinnon, > Merriman, Palmer, Plummer, Raber, Stevens, Wright > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cathy, Here is my thought on the subject: Some times, in the old, fancy cursive writing that was used (and even with some printing), the letter 's' looked like an 'f'. One doesn't realize that unless one has looked at a lot of records. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Raber To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? See, Joan that was what I was thinking exactly, Joan, that's what I was wondering myself! The middle name of the mother was Stella, & so thought that was the case, but not sure! I guess I'll assume that's the case, until I can find, IF I FIND soemthing that might have it in print!! Thanks!! Like minds, I guess!! Anyone know of a webpage that might have German names, that might translate names from old scripts? That's going to bug me until I know for sure!! Cathy -----Original Message----- >From: JYoung6180@aol.com >Sent: Aug 18, 2007 9:37 AM >To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > >In a message dated 8/18/2007 8:54:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, >karenmfox@verizon.net writes: > >Hi Cathy, > >Just a hunch, but when I said 'Efftla' out loud, the first thing that came >to mind is that it >was Esther and whoever wrote the obit either had a very bad typo or didn't >understand >the accent and wrote what they thought they "heard". Kind of how we come >across all >those crazy misspellings in the census records. > >~Karen from Berks. > > > >----- >I just wonder if the name wasn't taken from old script where the esses can >look like efs. If the name was written out in longhand it could well just >have been Estella. > >Joan > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Doing Names: Brothers, Cain, Coleman, Davis, Embree, McKain, McKinnon, Merriman, Palmer, Plummer, Raber, Stevens, Wright ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheila, Oh man I LOVED THAT ONE! grinnng, Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Sheila Kline <sheilakline47@yahoo.com> > To: <PaDutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/18/2007 1:43:04 PM > Subject: [PD-LIFE] LITTLE OLD LADY AND HER DRIVING STYLE > > Hello All! > > I have a funny joke that my sister shared with me last night, and after reading the messages about the people who drive so slowly and then speed up, I would like to share it with you. > > It goes like this - > > The car was going along very slowly, and a cop happened to come along and pulled it over. He approached the car, and said to the driver - a demure, elderly lady who was very startled that she had been stopped by a policeman. > > She said to him, "What I have done that would cause you to stop me?" He replied to her that he had pulled her over to tell her that was driving only 20 mph and that it was tying up traffic, so she should try to drive a little faster. She replied to the policeman's comment, "But officer I have been going 20 mhp just like the sign said I should do." The officer said to her that there were not any signs in that part that had a 20 mph speed set., and that she had probably seen the Route 20 sign, and taken it as a speed sign. > > The officer then looked in the back seat, where there were two, frail, very pale faced little old ladies, quite disheveled and with a look of fear on their faces. He asked them, "What is wrong ladies?" to which they replied, > > "Well, we just gof off 105!" > > Enjoy! > > Sheila in WV...where we measure miles in "as the crow flies". > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, that's what I meant, exactly!? Most people just like to know they did the right thing and are headed in the right direction!? When you follow the sign that says "Lancaster, this way" and then never see another sign, you might wonder. I was telling John and Joyce earlier that once I got close to Gettysburg, York was well marked, with regular signs saying how far away it was.? But I don't remember seeing even one for Lancaster.? I just think this is very strange since 30 runs right through Lancaster! Granted, I am very, very rarely going farther east than Gettysburg, so I can't say I've ever paid much attention to this, so maybe it's always been that way and I've never noticed. When I was going to a conference at the University of Delaware three summers in a row, I used to drive the whole way from here to Route 896 on my way to Newark.? (That is another beautifully pastoral road, and I always loved driving it! Different kind of congestion on that road, though--always came across hundreds of Amish on their Sunday travels! :o) The last time I did that was back in 2002, and that was when all the major construction between York and Lancaster was going on.? I can't remember if there were signs back then or not. Maybe PennDOT figured since the cities are so close they practically touch that there was no need for signs! --Debra -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Lancaster LOL!!!!! Yeah, me :o) I can't stand Rt. 30 !!! But everyone else likes it. I actually wound up in York, to get home from Lancaster to Columbia, once, because of those signs :o) I can pretty much do it now, that I've driven the road late at night, when no one was on it. Debra wrote: I mean, I knew where I was, obviously, but I'm sure there would be some people who wonder if they took the correct turn. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

LOL!!!!! Yeah, me :o) I can't stand Rt. 30 !!! But everyone else likes it. I actually wound up in York, to get home from Lancaster to Columbia, once, because of those signs :o) I can pretty much do it now, that I've driven the road late at night, when no one was on it. Debra wrote: I mean, I knew where I was, obviously, but I'm sure there would be some people who wonder if they took the correct turn.

LOL!!!! Yes, we either say in how many minutes/hours, if we are REALly taking a trip, or even just going shopping, but we say it in miles, if we talk about "as the crow flies" :o) So, from here, to visit my in-laws, it will take us tomorrow after church, 30 minutes or so to get there :o) I have NO idea how many miles it is to my in-laws, nor to get back to Shillington/Mohnton area. But, I do know it takes about 45 minutes, to an hour to get from here to the Reading area :o) Well, I don't know how long anymore since everything changed, maybe it's shorter to get to Shillington/Mohnton area? :o) Lynn PS I just thought of something, Karen. We've almost lived in the same areas as one another all through our lives :o) Karen from my hometown and almost exactly where I lived before moving here wrote: LOL Deb, around these parts we don't measure distance in miles. That's just not practical. We measure distance in the time it takes to get from point A to Point B. Such as "Ephrata is 15 minutes south". I noticed that in my childhood. Then when I went to Penn State, it was one way to determine where a fellow student was from - if they answered a "how far is it to...?" question in miles they were from Western PA. If their answer was the time it would take you to get there, inevitably they were from Eastern PA. Much more practical in my opinion. A destination may be 15 miles down the road, but with all the construction backups it might be a 45 minute journey. Also traveling 15 miles over straight open highway or 15 miles over windy narrow country roads behind a buggy give far different outcomes in the time it takes you to arrive at your destination, even though you're traveling the same distance. ;-)

Yes, I've heard that one before!!! It's a riot! especially when you picture it :o) Thanks! Lynn Sheila shared a driving joke with us.

Hi Tracy, That's just it, we have everything on surge protectors for many, many, many years now, and still we lose microwaves? We've lost answering machines, all kinds of things, that I can't think of right now, and all were on the proper surge protectors :o) Lots of good surge protectors do for us. That's why, whenever a storm is near, if I can hear it coming, I shut down our WELL surge protected computers, and unplug everything, including the phone line coming into the surge protector for the computer. I'm going to unplug the microwave now, also, whenever a storm is headed our way. It's just that I rely on the clock on the microwave all the time :o) I'll have to make sure Big Ben is wound up, and correct in it's time, all the time. Oh, and that outlet is one of the ones we updated, too. I can't wait until we can update ALL the wiring in this house. Hopefully, when they are finished getting our house fixed from that storm, we will know where we stand as far as money, and we can get that done. That's one of the big things we are trying to get updated, but have had so many little things constantly eating up our budget over the years, that we've only been able to do it in bits and pieces. Welcoming more ideas, though :o) Thanks for trying :o) Lynn Tracy wrote: Lynn, Check out getting an outlet surge protector for the microwave. I have whole house surge protection plus I have the computer, tv's, printer, satelite and vcr's plugged into the multi-outlet surge protectors and put the phone on it's own single outlet s.p. I've had lightning come through the lines and blow out the line for the tv to satelite and lightning come in and knock out the ringer on the phone. Also check with your electric company and see if they offer any kind of surge protection. Maybe the wiring is bad in that outlet?

Yep, they still do exist :o) They have them at our K-mart here in Columbia :o) I was just joking with Mike about getting one yesterday. They are no longer good ones, mind you, but we just saw one. It may be that they changed their name, but the supply is still out there, at least here it is :o) Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Microwaves and Road Trips In a message dated 8/18/2007 7:40:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, lynnvondran@att.net writes: even the Gold Stars of today, just don't seem to last. I don't think the brand name of Gold Star still exists today--they changed their name to LG. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, No it wasn't in an old document, just an obituary in the 1970's for one of my relatives. Joan & I were just talking that it could be from a old document, wanted to make that clear. That's why I posed it to you, since your teaching us pronunication, I thought perhaps you could answer it. I just put it out there, that's all! I greatly appreciate any contributions from all fronts. I had thought that it could be possible, but since I didn't know German things, well I wanted more "expert" suspicions what it could perhaps be! I deduced it probably a family name, but didn't know any that it may've matched as yet, but recently spoke to someone & they told me my gr. grandma's middle name & so this was the first born of the family's middle name, so she just gave it to her daughter too, I guess! I know it was foreign to me, & couldn't make "heads or tails" from it all those years ago! Makes alittle more sense now!! Thanks to all, Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Richard Emlin Reed <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <pigeonrock@earthlink.net> > Date: 8/18/2007 11:39:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] German Letter V > > In my original reply to your message, I was guilty of assumimg that you > were giving me correct and complete data. Subsequent correspondence > involving other persons indicates that your name "Efftla" came from an old > document. Had I known this; I would have considered other spellings. It is > possible that the name is Esstela (the transcriber mistook the s for f and > missed the e; or Esstla, a diminutive (baby talk) for Esstela, Esstela, of > course, being a misspelling of Estella. Is it possible that you could send a > copy of the document from which you obtained the name EFFTLA? > Richard Emlin Reed > Wesley Chapel, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy Raber" <pigeonrock@earthlink.net> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] German Letter V > > > > > > Herr Reed, > > > > Is there a German spelling for Stella (is this a German > > name?) spelled Efftla? A German spelling perhaps? I've gotten a relative > > that has this in an obituary, & finally perhaps you know enough to give me > > a clue, about it! This was the first born daughter of the family also, if > > that might mean anything?!!!! Thanks for all this about pronuciation of > > German too! I'm always interested, because I've got Reeher surname I'm > > doing & Raber, & think both are German oriented somehow, but don't know > > for > > sure anything?! Cathy > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Richard Emlin Reed <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> > >> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > >> Date: 8/15/2007 9:30:32 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] German Letter V > >> > >> The diphthong "th" is very rare in German; and, where it appears, is > >> pronounced "t". The German word for thousand is tausand. Thron is the > > German > >> word for throne; it is pronounced "trone". Most of the words spelled with > >> the diphthong are of foreign (to German) extraction. > >> Richard Emlin Reed > >> Wesley Chapel, FL > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Del Bristol" <bristol@wcnet.org> > >> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:13 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] German Letter V > >> > >> > >> > My dad was first generation American, both his parents came from > > Germany. > >> > He always pronounced 'th' as 't' as in tousand for thousand (spell > >> > check > >> > keeps correcting me!). I miss hearing him speak. Smiles, Anna > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> > [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > >> > bubbles531@comcast.net > >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:20 PM > >> > To: PADUTCH-LIFE rootsweb; rvuxta@charter.net > >> > Subject: [PD-LIFE] German Letter V > >> > > >> > Hi Ron, my sister-in-law is German. Her family came to America in > > 1954. > >> > She still pronounces > >> > her v's as w's & vice versa. So it's not a speech impediment. It's > > not > >> > as > >> > noticible after all this > >> > time, maybe it's because we're used to it. > >> > > >> > Linda > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, we do that too--you will almost never get the answer to that question in miles.? I meant this strictly from a road sign standpoint.? I'm trying to think if I ever saw a sign for Lancaster at all.? York is pretty well marked the whole way down, but I don't remember seeing a sign saying how far away Lancaster is. I just thought that was really odd--normally the next major town will have road signs marking the distance, but that wasn't the case, here. Particularly once the road splits and you either have to go to downtown York or follow the sign that says "Route 30 West--Lancaster"--that's pretty much it.? No more signs.? Maybe they never got replaced after the construction.? I mean, I knew where I was, obviously, but I'm sure there would be some people who wonder if they took the correct turn. But no, we give the time measurement for distance, too.? Ask how far away Pittsburgh is and you will always get "about two?hours" and never "60 miles." --Debra -----Original Message----- From: Karen Fox <karenmfox@verizon.net> To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 9:15 am Subject: [PD-LIFE] Lancaster Deb wrote: "What is interesting about this particular stretch of road is, in neither direction do they tell you how far apart these two cities are.? Once you follow the instructions for "this way to Lancaster" or "this way to York" there is not a single sign saying how many miles away either one of them is.? I thought that was weird." LOL Deb, around these parts we don't measure distance in miles. That's just not practical. We measure distance in the time it takes to get from point A to Point B. Such as "Ephrata is 15 minutes south". I noticed that in my childhood. Then when I went to Penn State, it was one way to determine where a fellow student was from - if they answered a "how far is it to...?" question in miles they were from Western PA. If their answer was the time it would take you to get there, inevitably they were from Eastern PA. Much more practical in my opinion. A destination may be 15 miles down the road, but with all the construction backups it might be a 45 minute journey. Also traveling 15 miles over straight open highway or 15 miles over windy narrow country roads behind a buggy give far different outcomes in the time it takes you to arrive at your destination, even though you're traveling the same distance. ;-) ~Karen from Berks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

--- Debra wrote: > I don't blame you for buying the cheap microwaves--I can't believe > you've had to buy that many!? But that sure was an impressive > storm--so weird how it seemed to be centered over Lancaster.? The > roads were completely dry on the other side of town. ********************** Lynn, Check out getting an outlet surge protector for the microwave. I have whole house surge protection plus I have the computer, tv's, printer, satelite and vcr's plugged into the multi-outlet surge protectors and put the phone on it's own single outlet s.p. I've had lightning come through the lines and blow out the line for the tv to satelite and lightning come in and knock out the ringer on the phone. Also check with your electric company and see if they offer any kind of surge protection. Maybe the wiring is bad in that outlet? tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

In a message dated 8/18/2007 10:44:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, pigeonrock@earthlink.net writes: See, Joan that was what I was thinking exactly, Joan, that's what I was wondering myself! The middle name of the mother was Stella, & so thought that was the case, but not sure! I guess I'll assume that's the case, until I can find, IF I FIND soemthing that might have it in print!! Thanks!! Like minds, I guess!! Anyone know of a webpage that might have German names, that might translate names from old scripts? That's going to bug me until I know for sure!! Cathy ---- I don't believe it is online anyplace, but I have an excellent book that includes Germanic and non-Germanic names and also has a secton on old German script. I highly recommend this book for anyone researching German ancestors. It is called The German Research Companion and the author is Shirley J. Riemer. The book was published by Lorelei Press in 1997. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

See, Joan that was what I was thinking exactly, Joan, that's what I was wondering myself! The middle name of the mother was Stella, & so thought that was the case, but not sure! I guess I'll assume that's the case, until I can find, IF I FIND soemthing that might have it in print!! Thanks!! Like minds, I guess!! Anyone know of a webpage that might have German names, that might translate names from old scripts? That's going to bug me until I know for sure!! Cathy -----Original Message----- >From: JYoung6180@aol.com >Sent: Aug 18, 2007 9:37 AM >To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Efftla? > > >In a message dated 8/18/2007 8:54:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, >karenmfox@verizon.net writes: > >Hi Cathy, > >Just a hunch, but when I said 'Efftla' out loud, the first thing that came >to mind is that it >was Esther and whoever wrote the obit either had a very bad typo or didn't >understand >the accent and wrote what they thought they "heard". Kind of how we come >across all >those crazy misspellings in the census records. > >~Karen from Berks. > > > >----- >I just wonder if the name wasn't taken from old script where the esses can >look like efs. If the name was written out in longhand it could well just >have been Estella. > >Joan > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Doing Names: Brothers, Cain, Coleman, Davis, Embree, McKain, McKinnon, Merriman, Palmer, Plummer, Raber, Stevens, Wright

Hello All! I have a funny joke that my sister shared with me last night, and after reading the messages about the people who drive so slowly and then speed up, I would like to share it with you. It goes like this - The car was going along very slowly, and a cop happened to come along and pulled it over. He approached the car, and said to the driver - a demure, elderly lady who was very startled that she had been stopped by a policeman. She said to him, "What I have done that would cause you to stop me?" He replied to her that he had pulled her over to tell her that was driving only 20 mph and that it was tying up traffic, so she should try to drive a little faster. She replied to the policeman's comment, "But officer I have been going 20 mhp just like the sign said I should do." The officer said to her that there were not any signs in that part that had a 20 mph speed set., and that she had probably seen the Route 20 sign, and taken it as a speed sign. The officer then looked in the back seat, where there were two, frail, very pale faced little old ladies, quite disheveled and with a look of fear on their faces. He asked them, "What is wrong ladies?" to which they replied, "Well, we just gof off 105!" Enjoy! Sheila in WV...where we measure miles in "as the crow flies". --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

In a message dated 8/18/2007 8:54:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, karenmfox@verizon.net writes: Hi Cathy, Just a hunch, but when I said 'Efftla' out loud, the first thing that came to mind is that it was Esther and whoever wrote the obit either had a very bad typo or didn't understand the accent and wrote what they thought they "heard". Kind of how we come across all those crazy misspellings in the census records. ~Karen from Berks. ----- I just wonder if the name wasn't taken from old script where the esses can look like efs. If the name was written out in longhand it could well just have been Estella. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

In a message dated 8/18/2007 7:40:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, lynnvondran@att.net writes: even the Gold Stars of today, just don't seem to last. I don't think the brand name of Gold Star still exists today--they changed their name to LG. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Deb wrote: "What is interesting about this particular stretch of road is, in neither direction do they tell you how far apart these two cities are.? Once you follow the instructions for "this way to Lancaster" or "this way to York" there is not a single sign saying how many miles away either one of them is.? I thought that was weird." LOL Deb, around these parts we don't measure distance in miles. That's just not practical. We measure distance in the time it takes to get from point A to Point B. Such as "Ephrata is 15 minutes south". I noticed that in my childhood. Then when I went to Penn State, it was one way to determine where a fellow student was from - if they answered a "how far is it to...?" question in miles they were from Western PA. If their answer was the time it would take you to get there, inevitably they were from Eastern PA. Much more practical in my opinion. A destination may be 15 miles down the road, but with all the construction backups it might be a 45 minute journey. Also traveling 15 miles over straight open highway or 15 miles over windy narrow country roads behind a buggy give far different outcomes in the time it takes you to arrive at your destination, even though you're traveling the same distance. ;-) ~Karen from Berks