No I haven't seen "Fat March" yet. I've been letting Mike watch his Hogan's Heroes DVDs, and then we watch Color Splash. But, he does watch Biggest Loser with me, without too much complaining :o) If he does complain, it's teasingly, just like when I told him it was starting up again he wrote back, "ooooooooooooooh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :o)" Sorry Andrea, that I don't have an answer for you on the tread mill workings, and what to do about it. I did once get my foot caught in the belt, but when it pulled me back, the little clip that you put into the machine, that also attaches to you, shut it down immediately. I was looking around for the cat, and next thing you know, "Thar she goes!!!!" Hope you can figure out what is wrong, and get it taken care of as soon as possible. We still haven't gotten a TV hooked up, upstairs where the tread mill is. Now that would be a way to make Mike happy, but then I would have to have someone tape it, and watch it up there, because we only have one TV on cable, and I have never figured out how to watch something else, while taping something on another channel. I guess it can be done? Well, hope you didn't hurt yourself too badly, Andrea!!! I know when I did it, it was more of an embarrassment than it hurt :o) Thank God the cat is no longer curious about the treadmill anymore. I agree, Celebrity Fit Club is no where near as good, because they really get NASTY with each other! Well, have to go turn the Pride n Prejudice DVD over. Welcome to the list, Andrea!!! :o) Lynn PS I've still got it with making my cookie muffins!!!! I can't wait until they are OUT of the HOUSE_they are too tempting! Tracy wrote: Lynn, You beat me to it! I was going to tell you today but you already told us! Have you been watching "Fat March" on ABC on Mondays? Same type show, different way to do it. Andrea wrote: I TiVo it & watch it on the treadmill. I can't complain about my 2.5-3.0 walk when I see them pushing it to the limits. I've tried watching Celebrity Fit Club on VH1 & it's just not the same. Unfortunatly last weekend my treadmill malfunctioned (sped up?) & next thing I knew I fell. My knee was skinned by the moving belt ouch! I think the impact of my fall is what made the belt stop moving. Now the belt won't move when I hit start. I don't know if the impact of my fall broke something or whatever made it speed up to make me fall was the cause. There is a big sticker on it that says "10 year motor warranty" & I've had it less than 4 yrs. Anyone ever had a treadmill fail or have to get it repaired? Andrea usually a lurker :) --- Lynn wrote: > Hi Gang, > Well, the new season is starting two weeks from last night, which > makes it starting on Tuesday, September 4th, at 8PM...but, check on > that time, because I was watching something else and flipping through > the channels, when I came across the commercial for it. > Anyway, it's two weeks from last night!!! YIPPEE!!!!!!! Can't wait! > or is it can't "weight". I'm looking forward to losing more weight_I > always do when I watch them struggle to lose their own. It's a real > encouragement.

OUCH!!!!! Sounds awful, doesn't it!!!! I wonder how it actually starts, what signs, if there are any warning signs other than tingling? Lynn Tracy wrote: Lynn, You can get peripheral neuropathy in your whole body. It just starts at your outer extremities (i.e. toes/fingers)and then works it's way up the hands/feet, legs/arms, head and into the core. I think diabetics can get it in their eyes, which causes blindness.

I would think that it would be similar.....I'm in So. California.....in the desert....so my Mom could never grow them here....she just had her memories. When you grow them - I would love to see pictures! Debbie DeRenard Administrative Assistant/Webmaster -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:59 PM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Hollyhocks Hi Debbie! Is Iowa weather kind of like PA's? Or if they can grow in Iowa, do you think they should be able to grow well here in Southeastern PA? Thanks! Lynn Debbie wrote: Lynn, My Mom always spoke fondly of her Hollyhocks that she had in Iowa. She grew up in Fort Dodge. And her flowers were beautiful! Debbie DeRenard Administrative Assistant/Webmaster -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:47 PM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: [PD-LIFE] Hollyhocks Hi Gang, I know that our ancestors were REALly into heirloom gardening, saving seeds from one year to the next for all sorts of gardening_vegetable and flower. Do any of you grow Hollyhocks? I found an order sheet for some beauties from Michigan Bulb and wondered if anyone has tried to grow these, and if it would be worth my while to order them for this area. They are perrennial, at least it seems they are, but then again, the site where I was talks of collecting the seeds from year to year? It confused me. Or is this a way of them coming back year after year, meaning it isn't a root? Thanks! Lynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynn, My Mom always spoke fondly of her Hollyhocks that she had in Iowa. She grew up in Fort Dodge. And her flowers were beautiful! Debbie DeRenard Administrative Assistant/Webmaster -----Original Message----- From: padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padutch-life-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:47 PM To: padutch-life@rootsweb.com Subject: [PD-LIFE] Hollyhocks Hi Gang, I know that our ancestors were REALly into heirloom gardening, saving seeds from one year to the next for all sorts of gardening_vegetable and flower. Do any of you grow Hollyhocks? I found an order sheet for some beauties from Michigan Bulb and wondered if anyone has tried to grow these, and if it would be worth my while to order them for this area. They are perrennial, at least it seems they are, but then again, the site where I was talks of collecting the seeds from year to year? It confused me. Or is this a way of them coming back year after year, meaning it isn't a root? Thanks! Lynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gang, Well, the new season is starting two weeks from last night, which makes it starting on Tuesday, September 4th, at 8PM...but, check on that time, because I was watching something else and flipping through the channels, when I came across the commercial for it. Anyway, it's two weeks from last night!!! YIPPEE!!!!!!! Can't wait! or is it can't "weight". I'm looking forward to losing more weight_I always do when I watch them struggle to lose their own. It's a real encouragement. Yes, we talk about everything, even TV programs. :o) Lynn

I TiVo it & watch it on the treadmill. I can't complain about my 2.5-3.0 walk when I see them pushing it to the limits. I've tried watching Celebrity Fit Club on VH1 & it's just not the same. Unfortunatly last weekend my treadmill malfunctioned (sped up?) & next thing I knew I fell. My knee was skinned by the moving belt ouch! I think the impact of my fall is what made the belt stop moving. Now the belt won't move when I hit start. I don't know if the impact of my fall broke something or whatever made it speed up to make me fall was the cause. There is a big sticker on it that says "10 year motor warranty" & I've had it less than 4 yrs. Anyone ever had a treadmill fail or have to get it repaired? Andrea usually a lurker :) On Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 01:44PM, "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> wrote: >Hi Gang, >Well, the new season is starting two weeks from last night, which makes it starting on Tuesday, September 4th, at 8PM...but, check on that time, because I was watching something else and flipping through the channels, when I came across the commercial for it. >Anyway, it's two weeks from last night!!! YIPPEE!!!!!!! Can't wait! or is it can't "weight". I'm looking forward to losing more weight_I always do when I watch them struggle to lose their own. It's a real encouragement. >Yes, we talk about everything, even TV programs. >:o) >Lynn > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

--- Lynn wrote: > OUCH!!!!! Sounds awful, doesn't it!!!! I wonder how it actually > starts, what signs, if there are any warning signs other than > tingling? *********************** Yeah, it's not fun. My brother's started in his hands (they thought it might be carpal tunnel and did surgery). Tingling and slight numbness, then stabbing pains, onto shooting PAINs. Now he has lost alot of feeling and drops stuff all the time. His feet started with loss of feeling and now he has "drop foot" (where the foot won't properly lift and it drags on the ground, not real bad but does make him stumble)and can barely feel anything. Has to keep a good eye on hands/feet for wounds (punctures), sores, cuts, blisters. He also falls quite a bit too. tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/

Lynn Check out this URL, may answer some questions http://rebuildermedical.com/ Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Backs :o)/TENS/neuropathy > OUCH!!!!! Sounds awful, doesn't it!!!! I wonder how it actually starts, > what signs, if there are any warning signs other than tingling? > Lynn > Tracy wrote: > Lynn, > > You can get peripheral neuropathy in your whole body. It just starts > at your outer extremities (i.e. toes/fingers)and then works it's way up > the hands/feet, legs/arms, head and into the core. I think diabetics > can get it in their eyes, which causes blindness. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

--- Lynn wrote: > Hi Gang, > Well, the new season is starting two weeks from last night, which > makes it starting on Tuesday, September 4th, at 8PM...but, check on > that time, because I was watching something else and flipping through > the channels, when I came across the commercial for it. > Anyway, it's two weeks from last night!!! YIPPEE!!!!!!! Can't wait! > or is it can't "weight". I'm looking forward to losing more weight_I > always do when I watch them struggle to lose their own. It's a real > encouragement. ************* Lynn, You beat me to it! I was going to tell you today but you already told us! Have you been watching "Fat March" on ABC on Mondays? Same type show, different way to do it. tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/

I thought it was Ground Hog Day all over again! tracy --- Richard Emlin wrote: > I'm sorry; I'm having trouble understanding you. There seems to be an > echo in here, in here, in here. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anna > > Yes, it appears we are repeating ourselves, repeating ourselves, > repeating ourselves. > > -------------------- > >From: Rick > > You can say that again! :-) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/

--- Lynn wrote: > I wonder what caused Uncle Milt's then, because he NEVER smoked, and > doesn't have Diabetes. Is there any other cause for this disease? > Thanks Joan for the explanation you gave. ******************* I think it is idiopathic, and can be caused by many things. My brother has it due to kidney dialysis. tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow

--- Lynn wrote: > So, can you get Peripheral Neuropathy in the feet, also? ************************** Lynn, You can get peripheral neuropathy in your whole body. It just starts at your outer extremities (i.e. toes/fingers)and then works it's way up the hands/feet, legs/arms, head and into the core. I think diabetics can get it in their eyes, which causes blindness. tracy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz

WOW!!!!! Now that is quite an interesting addition to the subject for sure. Though I've never had it done, and only know one person who has (well, now two), I'm sure someone on the list has learned something from this!!!! Let me ask. When someone goes in for gastric by-pass surgery, do they warn the person that this can happen? Just curious!!! Thanks, Becky!!! Lynn Becky wrote: Hello all! I hope you don't mind another comment on the topic of neuropathy. I started having serious problems a couple of years ago-to the point that I can no longer drive. My neurologist, Dr. Robert Simkins who is the director of Wallace-Kettering Neurological Sciences tells me that it happens quite often with gastric bypass patience because their bodies cannot hold the necessary minerals, vitamins and such. Sometimes, it is reversible but alot of times, it is not.

Hmmmm, good one cuz! So, you are doing the whole virtual kitchen in stale Christmas cookies, are you!!! We'll just have to make some very colorful ones this year, huh :o) WOW!!!!! Thanks again to all who made this filling in of my uncle's notes!!! Especially you Richard Emlin Reed, with your research and thorough explanations!!! Now I don't have to ask my uncle to record it_I'm sure going through the thought of the pain, can cause the pain to act up, too_I guess that makes me a pain just for asking about all of this :o) LOL!!!!! Don't answer that anyone :O) Hey, Rick!! I'm making my famous cookie muffins for the picnic they are having where Mike works!!! Should I scan some your way?????? They are really good, especially the taste of PB in them. I just might have to taste test one from the batch, JUST to make SURE that they came out right. Thanks again, one and all for the GREAT discussion on Stenosis and Peripheral Neuropathy!!! This is wonderful! Not the fact that so many have this and are aware of what it is, but the fact that I got the facts down good in my family research notes, for two of my relatives!!!! :o) Lynn PS Try to sell that fix to Rootsweb, Rick!!! Boy, I kinda bounced around between the two subjects, didn't I. Rick B wrote: I knew this might happen when I decided to redecorate the Virtual Kitchen. That's probably what's causing the echo in the big empty room. Oh, I almost forgot to tell all of you. The lab results came back on the stale Christmas cookies. They make excellent sound absorbers. That oughta fix the problem. :-)

Hello all! I hope you don't mind another comment on the topic of neuropathy. I started having serious problems a couple of years ago-to the point that I can no longer drive. My neurologist, Dr. Robert Simkins who is the director of Wallace-Kettering Neurological Sciences tells me that it happens quite often with gastric bypass patience because their bodies cannot hold the necessary minerals, vitamins and such. Sometimes, it is reversible but alot of times, it is not. Becky --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!

Well, some of that is interesting reading, except the words are alittle advanced for me to understand too! My dad was in pain only a short time, & he smoked, but whatever this was I thought it strange that he was in pain, but reading this helped me to understand what he may'be went through, & help me to grieve his leaving me, so thanks for sending these web pages! It helps! He's been gone since 1992, but still grieving my loss! He was my best friend, sort of! We shared a love of birds, which I'll always have, so that's a good thing! I went to one of his buddies in OH on our visit, & gave my kids a tour of a pigeon coop, which was so fun for me! And introduced them to what I used to take for granted for 25+ years, & miss very much, & i get all excited when I do see one! And enjoyed them when I was visiting Pittsburgh too, because they're all over there!! Interesting to hear something that affected Vee too, on here! Cathy > [Original Message] > From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/21/2007 6:15:01 PM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Neuropathy > > In a message dated 8/21/2007 6:10:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, > lynnvondran@att.net writes: > > I wonder what caused Uncle Milt's then, because he NEVER smoked, and doesn't > have Diabetes. Is there any other cause for this disease? > Thanks Joan for the explanation you gave. > :o) > Lynn > See: > > > http://www.neuropathy.org/site/PageServer > > Other causes can be infection, cancer, immune system disorders, injury. The > above website provides quite a few answers. > > Joan > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Only trouble is I now spend a lot of time at the hairdresser. Richard Emlin Reed -------------------- Richard; That's not necessarily a bad thing. My mother was a hairdresser for 30 years and she always had some husbands sticking around to take their wives home. Some waited in the car and some sat in my mother's shop and read the "scandal sheets". Rick B

I'm sorry; I'm having trouble understanding you. There seems to be an echo in here, in here, in here. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL -------------------- I knew this might happen when I decided to redecorate the Virtual Kitchen. That's probably what's causing the echo in the big empty room. Oh, I almost forgot to tell all of you. The lab results came back on the stale Christmas cookies. They make excellent sound absorbers. That oughta fix the problem. :-) Rick B

I'm sorry; I'm having trouble understanding you. There seems to be an echo in here, in here, in here. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Berkheiser" <reberkheiser@earthlink.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] repeat messages? > Yes, it appears we are repeating ourselves, repeating ourselves, repeating > ourselves. Smiles, Anna > > -------------------- > > You can say that again! :-) > > Rick B

My wife has peripheral neuroposy so severe that she had to quit driving. Her feet are so numb she can't feel the foot pedals. Her feet would slide off the brake and accelerator. She exercised good judgment by quitting before she had a collision. Only trouble is I now spend a lot of time at the hairdresser. Following is an excerpt from http://www.epodiatry.com/neuropathy.htm Peripheral neuropathy is a relatively common neurological disorder that results from damage to the peripheral nerves. The peripheral nervous system consists of motor (to help move) nerves and sensory (to help feel) nerves. Either or both sets of nerves can be affected in neuropathy. If a sensory nerve is damaged, the predominant symptoms are pain, numbness, tingling, burning or a loss of feeling. They often begin gradually. There may be a tingling sensation or numbness that starts in the toes and/or the balls of the feet and spreads upward. Occasionally the skin may become so sensitive that the slightest touch is agonizing. There may also may be a numbness, or a complete lack of feeling in the feet. This describes my wife's symptoms. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL From: "Lynn Vondran" <lynnvondran@att.net> To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Neuropathy >I wonder what caused Uncle Milt's then, because he NEVER smoked, and >doesn't have Diabetes. Is there any other cause for this disease? > Thanks Joan for the explanation you gave. > :o) > Lynn > > Joan wrote: > Neuropathy was what Auntie Vee had in her legs and feet that made walking > difficult. In her case, the cause was nerve damage from years of > smoking, etc. > You most commonly see it as a result of uncontrolled diabetes--and the > damage it causes. > > In a message dated 8/21/2007 5:36:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > lynnvondran@att.net writes: > > Peripheral Neuropathy!!! Can that be what my Uncle Milt has in his > feet? I > know he said it's Neuropathy