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    1. [PD-LIFE] Skip-BO! and Flinch
    2. Judy Brannon
    3. Skip Bo is the modern version of Flinch. My grandparents used to play Flinch in the early 1930s. I found a remake of the game online. It is fun to play, and goes quick.

    08/30/2007 04:53:29
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] The Professor & The Madman
    2. I have read this book. It is fascinating. Can you imagine the editor of the Oxford Dictionary upon going to meet the doctor who submitted the words for the dictionary and finding him an inmate of the asylum rather than a doctor there? Jim in VT ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

    08/30/2007 04:50:26
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] Thanks for the Welcome!
    2. marysaerie
    3. Hello and WElcome. Many PA Dutch were immigrants from Germany. Here is what I found for your William in the LDS files. The first set of information is only a possibility, but is the only one I could find in the date range that fit. I tried a search on his brothers, to no avail. The second set of data, the marriage is exact. I will keep an eye out for more possibilities for William. Oh, yes... I have also seen the surname spelled DRACH. Mary William Drake Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: About 1750 Of Smithfield, , , Pennsylvania -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: John Drake Mother: Christina carmer WILLIAM DRAKE Pedigree Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH HINCKLE Family Marriage: 17 OCT 1780 Mount Zion Presbyterian Church, Mcintyre Twp, Lycoming, Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: Pam Drake To: PADUTCH-LIFE@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:51 PM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Thanks for the Welcome! Hi Sheila! Thanks to you & others for the warm welcome. I'm not related to any PA.Dutch that I know of now. When I say PA.Dutch I'm thinking Amish is that right? I love their food though! I have alot of WV.ancestors starting with my father who was born there. Right now I'm looking for the parents of my 4xgreat-grandfather William Drake,Sr. I believe he was born circa 1755 in Bucks Co.,PA. He married Elizabeth Hinkle from Frederick Co.,MD. in 1780. He had at least 2 brothers David & Thomas Drake & one sister Hannah Drake. The brothers married Elizabeth's sisters,Margaret & Sarah Hinkle. Hannah had 2 husbands. The first husband was Robert Longshore,Jr. whom she married circa 1777 in Bucks Co.,PA. They had 6 children. Her second husband was Daniel Cresap,Sr. whom she married in 1797 in Allegany Co.,MD. Thanks for any help! Pam Drake in IN. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    08/30/2007 04:38:40
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] New to list
    2. Russ and Sally
    3. Hi Pam: Welcome! I am a lurker too! Sometimes I do put my two cents in though! This is a wonderful list with great people. They will cheer you up when you are down, Listen when you need to vent, and answer your questions the best they can. I have learned so much and laughed at the humor. It like always having someone to talk to. I think you will love it. Enjoy!!! Im Sally 59 from Newton, NJ married with 2 daughters and 4 grandsons. I worked for 36years at our local hospital and a patient services supervisor and loved every minute of it. Had to retire about 4 years ago. But now I can do so much more genealogy which makes me sooooo happy. Have fun! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Drake" <padrake@sbcglobal.net> To: <PADUTCH-LIFE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: [PD-LIFE] New to list > > > Hi Lynn! > > Yes,I'm new to the list. I thought I might find some > quick & easy recipes here. I especially like the > kind > that have 5 ingridients or less. > > Thanks for writing! > > Pam Drake in IN. > > > >> --- Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> wrote: >> >> > Welcome Pam!! Are you one of our new members, or >> > have you been with us for a while? I don't >> remember >> > seeing a post from you before this. >> > So WELCOME if you are new, and WELCOME to the take >> > if you have been lurking :o) We all lurk >> sometimes >> > :o) Especially when we are very, very busy :o) >> > OH, and Sheila, thanks for your compliment on my >> > writing. I hope my daughter will find it a >> treasure >> > someday :o) >> > Lynn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    08/30/2007 04:35:45
    1. [PD-LIFE] SMOKE HOUSE
    2. John Keiper
    3. my wife came off the farm, and it had a smoke house, and after curing the meat, it was left hanging in the smoke house until it was used.... affirming, pa dutch represent many different religious backgrounds... over and out and shazam John & Joyce Keiper >From the "situation room", Bedford, Penna. 15522 at: coventry cottage

    08/30/2007 04:23:20
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] Thanks for the Welcome!
    2. In a message dated 8/30/2007 9:59:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, padrake@sbcglobal.net writes: Right now I'm looking for the parents of my 4xgreat-grandfather William Drake,Sr. I believe he was born circa 1755 in Bucks Co.,PA. He married Elizabeth Hinkle from Frederick Co.,MD. in 1780. Pam- Pennsylvania Dutch are not always Amish. And guess what? Your Elizabeth HINKLE is about as Pennsylvania Dutch as they come! She is listed on page 157 ofh the HENCKEL genealogy. She is the daughter of George and Anna Maria (PLUMMER) HINKLE/HENKEL, Jr. George is the son of George Rudolphus HENKEL/HENCKEL, Sr. and wife Maria [--?--]. George Rudolphus is the 2nd son and 4th surviving child of Rev. Anthony Jacob HENCKEL and Maria Elisabeth DENTZER. Bucks County, PA, church records lists a William DRAKE bapt. 21 Sept. 1788 at Newtown Presbyterian Church. He was the son of Jacob Drake and wife. I suppose this could be your William because he could have been bapt. as an adult. But it could also be a later generation of your DRAKE family. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

    08/30/2007 04:14:25
    1. [PD-LIFE] WV.Surnames & Counties
    2. Pam Drake
    3. Hi Sheila! Well,here it goes. My WV.surnames so far are: ADKISSON ARTERS/ARTHUR DAVISSON DRAKE FRIEND SAUNDERS SAURBORN SKIDMORE The counties they lived in were: CALHOUN FAYETTE HARRISON POCAHONTAS RANDOLPH RITCHIE WEBSTER Pam in IN. P.S. I'm 56. I was born & raised in St.Louis Co.,MO. but live in So.,IN. now. I'm not married but have a cat & a bird.I have a B.S. double major in History & Sociology. I love Genealogy! It keeps my hand in History. By the way, my late father was born in Harrison Co.,WV. ;the youngest of 12.

    08/30/2007 03:58:42
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] A Glenside Story_Adventures Along the Tully
    2. sherry kramer
    3. Great story Lynn Loved reading it sherry Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> wrote: Hi Gang, I thought I would post that story again about my ventures along the Tully, in Glenside, for all the new Berks County folks on the list. This is part of my over 600 page book I'm writing for my daughter to enjoy when I am no longer here to tell the stories of my life. This was something I had wished Mom would have done for me. Enjoy :o) Lynn THE OLD SHACK ALONG THE TULPEHOCKEN CREEK/UNION CANAL A childhood friend, and I had a situation of innocent breaking and entering. We, almost daily, would walk along the Tully, in Glenside leading to Greenfields and the Reading Airport, near Reading, Berks County, Pennsylvania. This was before the bike trail was blazed, when it was an old, I imagine, "Indian" toe-path. A little ways along the path, we had to climb over a HUGE pile of rocks, that formed a wall that wasn't quite as tall as we were. There were said to be all sorts of snakes and other varmints living in and under these rocks. We were brave kids_or maybe just dumb Along the way, we saw a very old, run-down shanty/hut? There were weeds and all sorts of things growing up around it (I especially remember the itch-weed, which was very abundant along the narrow path), yet there was still a slightly visible pathway, to this shanty/hut. We approached the rundown shack, and looked in the windows. It definitely looked like an abandoned, back-hills kind of place.really hillbilly looking; and it sat alone in those woods_no other buildings were near the place. We were certain that no one could presently be living there, and hadn't been for a long, long time, though the old table and chairs, in the kitchen, looked as though they were used recently, by their placement. My friend and I talked it over, and being use to seeing old dilapidated structures along the Tully, which were all VERY obviously unoccupied, decided to enter the shanty/hut by the door to the big room, which actually was the only door to the place, as far as we could see. This room was a combined kitchen/eating area/living room. Looking around the place gave us the creeps, at 12 years old, and a feeling that we really SHOULDN'T have ventured in, but that didn't stop us. I really had this weird feeling that, just MAYbe, someone still lived there; but, we convinced one another that, NO, no one lived like that, anymore, around those parts, so we kept up our adventure. We found very old, farming/rustic looking stuff...old boots, buckets, harnesses, tin cups, and something that I know went around a horse's neck for when it pulled something very heavy...not a yoke, maybe a special type of harness? It was a somewhat heavy, oval. leather thing. We found, OLD lanterns hanging from a wooden beam in the center of the all-in-one sitting room/kitchen. In short, it was a whole lot of old, rusty, dusty stuff, which looked as though it hadn't been touched for a VERY long time, seeing all the heavy cobwebs all over them. These heavy cobwebs were another hint to us that no one lived there, or even used the place. So we felt safe, and didn't feel anything wrong about our adventure. The shack had no second floor, or even a loft...but, it did have one other room. When we were headed for the other room, we came across a door in the floor. Opening it, we found a ladder (steps?) leading down to a very dingy cellar; the ladder definitely being one made by hand. The only light that we had was the daylight, which was peeking through from the cellar door being lifted. We ventured down the ladder/steps, and halfway down, we could somewhat see more of the same kind of stuff hanging around, and there were also wooden bins almost completely lining the base of the walls. The walls and floor were just dirt. We had second thoughts about completing our descent, because we knew, from finding snakes in the pile of rocks along the trail, that they liked dark, damp places. Just as we decided not to go down any farther, much to our horror, we had no choice which way to go!!!! Whoever was using the place came home. We scrambled the rest of the way down, almost falli! ng over one another. We made it to a cobwebbed corner, and huddled there. We could hear them walking overhead; and we could hear them talking. It was a man and a woman. Then it happened, total darkness...right before which, the man said, "Oh, we left the cellar door open. I'll close it." My thoughts were the fear of the dark, and the unknown; and, yet, for some reason, this made us feel safe. We whispered to one another of how much trouble we would be in if someone found we had entered their "house", and we started immediately to plan our escape...the only problem was when. How long were we going to have to stay down there!!! We knew the ONLY way to get out was the way we got into the shack !! We were so glad that it was very early in the morning, because we definitely didn't want to be walking the trail home in the dark. It was VERY spooky along the trail even in the full light of day. We figured, with it just being early morning, it would give these people time to leave for a while, because there was absolutely NOTHING there that they could do, and they had to eat. But, what if they brought food back with them? Plus, we didn't kn! ow what was in that other room, it could have been kept nicely, for all we knew. Well, we were thankful anyway, because we had a lot of time before nightfall, to get out of there. We heard the scrapping of the chairs at the kitchen table, and clattering of things...running of water...sort of an old pump sound...at least it sounded like the old water-pump at my friend's grandmother's house, which was also along the Tully, but about a mile and a half down stream, next to the old paper mill, where her dad worked, right at the point where the Tully meets the Schuylkill River. We don't know how long we were down there, but it sure did feel like forever!!!!! We sat there for quite a while, until it sounded as though they left. We had no light, and were really hoping to find the ladder again. It was exciting, scary, and funny at the same time; but we had to control our emotions, and be VERY quiet. We made sure we kept hold of one another, as we crawled across the floor. Remember, there was absolutely no light!! It was pitch black down there. We found the ladder, and when we got to the top of it, we slowly opened the overhead trap-door eveeeer..soooo..slowly and slightly, and peeked around. No one was there, THANK GOD, but it looked as though, whoever was there was coming back, and soon, because they left the door to the shack hanging open. We quickly got out of that cellar, and without shutting the cellar door, we ran out of the place and up the path. We didn't look around us nor did we look back, but ran straight to the trail. When we got there, we gave the biggest sighs of relief, and headed home, talking about our adventure all the way, and tearfully, very nervously laughing about it. We never told my mom, and my friend never told her family, what we did...at least I don't think she told hers. It definitely was a day of adventure I will never forget. Thinking back on it, I bet those people wondered how that cellar door opened up again_they are probably still telling ghost stories about it, to this day LOL !!!!! Did it stop our Tom-boyish ways? NOPE, not a chance. We had many weird things happen in a day's time, and many of them had to do with our favorite place...the Tully.aka Tulpehocken Creek.along which ran a part of the old, well-known Union Canal. Lynn Arlene (Andrich) Vondran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.

    08/30/2007 03:30:48
    1. [PD-LIFE] Drake Genealogy
    2. Pam Drake
    3. Thanks Joan & everyone! This information will give us some more clues to investigate. One of these days,I know, we will find all the answers. That will be a day to have a genealogy party for sure! Pam in IN. > Pam- > > Pennsylvania Dutch are not always Amish. And guess > what? Your Elizabeth > HINKLE is about as Pennsylvania Dutch as they come! > She is listed on page 157 > ofh the HENCKEL genealogy. > > She is the daughter of George and Anna Maria > (PLUMMER) HINKLE/HENKEL, Jr. > > George is the son of George Rudolphus > HENKEL/HENCKEL, Sr. and wife Maria > [--?--]. > > George Rudolphus is the 2nd son and 4th surviving > child of Rev. Anthony > Jacob HENCKEL and Maria Elisabeth DENTZER. > > Bucks County, PA, church records lists a William > DRAKE bapt. 21 Sept. 1788 > at Newtown Presbyterian Church. He was the son of > Jacob Drake and wife. I > suppose this could be your William because he could > have been bapt. as an > adult. But it could also be a later generation of > your DRAKE family. > > Joan

    08/30/2007 03:30:43
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] Rook, similar to Skip-BO!
    2. Lynn Vondran
    3. I got the game Rook. Saw the game Skip-O there also, but decided on Rook. The box looked more interesting :o) Mike said his grandparents, or parents use to play it, so maybe his parents can fill us in on the whofor/whatfors of the game :o) Though I did keep Mary's instructions :O) I also have to get the instructions for the Dominos game of Chicken Scratch, forgot how to play it. I know Mike has the instructions SOMEwhere_hey, maybe he left them with the Dominos!!! Better check before asking for them :o) Lynn

    08/30/2007 03:18:01
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] let`s play cards!!!
    2. sherry kramer
    3. Lynn, I just learned how to play Phase 10 last year. My kids play it every time the get together for an evening. I became bored with the list of each phase. I suggested that we play it by beginning on phase 10 and go backwards. Boy has that opened a night of laughter and fun. Another twist is that we trade cards after they are dealt. sherry Lynn Vondran <lynnvondran@att.net> wrote: We haven't played Phase 10 since our dear neighbors moved to TN over 2 years ago. I do have the two decks of cards in my roll top desk, for when we have company. And, we are to have a visit from my cousin Gary, and his wife Sept. 8th, so I hope to break out the deck then. OR, if I find the game Rook, when I go to WalMart today, I will break out those cards. It's not often that we get company long enough to play a game, usually we get to talking so much that it's time for them to leave before we even think of it. BUT, we certainly would rather talk and get to know about people's lives, than play cards, but if time allows, we are always ready for a game of something. We love to play Sequence, too, or Clue :o) Lynn Linda wrote: I simply LOVE phase 10. When my oldest son was about in kindergarten I would make him play that game with me over and over again!!! I think he got pretty tired of it, but he played anyhow!!!! If I didn`t have to get back to sewing I would sit at Rick`s table right now and get a game started!!!! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.

    08/30/2007 02:55:25
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] REO Speedwagon/Billy Joel
    2. Cathy Raber
    3. Wow, that's cool that you got to see them. I have been a fan, but have only been to one concert in my life, & it was in Pgh, PA at the Civic arena, & I saw Billy Joel. He's not even doing concerts anymore, but still love his oldies. His daughter, Is all grown up & on her own tours, singing her heart out now! Anyone else ever go to his concerts out there? Cathy > [Original Message] > From: Karen Fox <karenmfox@verizon.net> > To: <PADUTCH-LIFE@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/30/2007 2:24:04 PM > Subject: [PD-LIFE] REO Speedwagon > > REO Speedwagon will be performing at Reading's Sovereign Performing Arts Center, Sat, Oct 27, 2007 08:00 PM. > The Sovereign Performing Arts Center is the former Rajah Theater (on N. 6th St), now refurbished and spruced up. > Maybe it's a good excuse to come to Reading to visit, take in the concert and do some family research all in the same trip! > > ~Karen from Berks > > >Hi! > > > > REO Speedwagon was one of my favorite music groups > > from the 70's & 80's.If memory serves they were > > originally from Champaign,IL. Before they got famous > > they used to be the bar band for the college circuit. > >I saw them play once while I was in college. Very > >cool! > > > >Pam Drake in IN. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    08/30/2007 02:34:00
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] Rook, similar to Skip-BO!
    2. Cathy Raber
    3. Skip-Bo is the same similar game. I have always enjoyed Skip-Bo very much. It only has 12 cards in piles of 4. Each person has another pile that has a pile of 30 cards, & you always try to get rid of that pile, when you can, & you also have 5 cards in your hand that you use to put into the piles, And if you have to stop putting into the 4 piles that you put cards into (everyone) then you put a card down to use into. & some "save" piles (4) in front of you. It goes pretty fast, & is always fun! Cathy > [Original Message] > From: George & Kathy Zagorac <zag@zoominternet.net> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/30/2007 8:43:30 AM > Subject: [PD-LIFE] Rook > > My husband and I used to love to play Rook - the easier version. Both of us > lived in the Pittsburgh area all of our lives until we relocated to Virginia > for a short time after college. Neither my husband nor I ever heard of Rook > before our move. Our now dear friends taught us how to play. We would play > at least one night every weekend. Tried to interest our kids in the game > but they never really liked playing it. > Kathy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marysaerie" <marysaerie@stny.rr.com> > To: <padutch-life@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Words and phrases > > > > For those of you who may wonder what the game of Rook entails, it is very > > much like pinochle. I always hated pinochle, but loved Rook. It is > > played on the same principle, but is much easier. Of course, my parents > > always played double and triple deck, which is very difficult. > > > > Rook has 4 suits: red, yellow, blue, green. There are only number cards: > > 1 through 14, with the 1 being the 'ace'. The 5 is worth 5 points; the 10 > > and 14 are worth 10 points, and the 1 is worth 15 points. The 57th card > > has a picture of the rook (crow or raven) on it. It is always trump, is > > always the lowest trump, but is worth 20 points. There are 180 possible > > points to make in each hand. > > > > Players (usually 4 playing partners) are dealt 10 cards, with 5 cards > > being placed in the 'nest' in the center of the table. Each player bids > > (minimum 100) for the right to call trump. The object is to take as many > > tricks as possible, to take as many points as possible, and to 'save' the > > rook. If you want to learn more about Rook, this website is a good place > > to start: http://www.pagat.com/kt5/rook.html > > > > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: twerppy@aol.com > > To: dctrk@c2i2.com ; padutch-life@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Words and phrases > > > > > > I always?had apple butter topped with cottage cheese.? It was lunch as a > > kid.? My grandmother always treated me to a special drink when I would > > visit.? Milk with vanilla in it.? Boy was it good.? She had an alterier > > motive also.? It would calm down an active child.? Think she dosed me with > > the alcohol content.? Never got sleepy.? We would play Rook and I have > > that as very fond memories of her.? She had 6 boys and 2 girls.? Born in > > the 1800's.? I now live in the house where she spent her last years.? > > Connie > > > > Sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:37 am > > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Words and phrases > > > > > > > > I looked it up on line, and yes, I agree by dictionary definition it is a > > spreadable cheese. I like cottage cheese mixed with just about any kind > > of fruit, and do get some now and then. They say it is healthy. I used to > > use jelly or jams in it, but since I am now low-level diabetic, I crush > > fresh fruits and mix with it. It is good that way also. > > > > Speaking of machines, my Uncle Teddy and Aunt Toots used to call their > > car a machine, don't remember ever hearing them call it a car, > > automobile, > > or 'Chevy". > > > > Don in AZ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > > body of > > the message > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > > http://mail.aol.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM

    08/30/2007 02:27:05
    1. [PD-LIFE] THE EDITOR OR THE PATIENT?
    2. Sheila Kline
    3. Jim.....then do we get our words from the editor or the patient? Maybe, that's why some of our words are so "crazy"!!! I want to read that book! It must be an 'istorical one. Sheila in WV --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.

    08/30/2007 02:14:02
    1. [PD-LIFE] WHERE ARE PAM'S ANCESTORS IN WV?
    2. Sheila Kline
    3. Hey Pam...... Where does your kin hail from in the hills of WV? You said you had a lot of relatives in WV, starting with your father. I live in Bluefield, WV in Mercer County/right on the VA state line, and I lived on a farm in Monroe County, WV in the 1960's. My mother's family are all from Greenbrier County. I am like Sally, 59 years old. I married a PA Dutch fellow from Reading, PA in 1989, and I lived there until 1995 when we moved to the Seattle, WA area....then came back to WV. My husband is Dutch "inside and outside". I saw that you joined the list in an effort to get some recipes preferably with 5 ingredients or less so I have one for you: Ingredient # 1 Friendship Ingredient # 2 "Gut" talkin' Ingredient # 3 Fun Ingredient # 4 Genealogy Ingredient # 5 Learning Mix all ingredients and the finished product will be PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH LIFE!! Sheila P.S. To Rick about the Smoke House....the smokin' is done like those famous VA hams. When we lived on our farm, my dad would take the meat, rub it down with lots of salt, and then wrap it in cheesecloth......let it hang where the air could "cure" it, and then when it was ready, took the cheesecloth off, and scraped the green "mold" off it which was a natural thing....and then we had great tasting smoked meat!! And to Pam, See......we have another recipe to add to your collection.....how to smoke a VA ham!! almost forgot...some people add sugar to the salt mixture. --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.

    08/30/2007 02:10:28
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] Hollyhocks & Polk Plants & Foxglove
    2. Jane Unger
    3. Cutting off all the seedpods will cut way down on baby rose of sharons all over the place. They seed rather prolifically. Jane JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/25/2007 12:51:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, twerppy@aol.com writes: Ditto with Rose of Sharon.? Rose of Sharon attract Japanese beetles and they spread like a weed. I can't keep them from coming up again from the underground shoots they send out from my neighbor's yard. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADUTCH-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

    08/30/2007 02:06:21
    1. Re: [PD-LIFE] Smoke Houses
    2. In a message dated 8/30/2007 7:08:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, reberkheiser@earthlink.net writes: My parents and I were discussing smoke houses at the supper table a little while ago, and I had asked my mother if she remembered how long meat would keep in there? My father's parents always used to hang the meat in the stairwell to the basement wrapped in what he thought was cheesecloth. My mother's parents and grandparents were from the farm and they had an actual smoke house near the barn. Any thoughts on this? Rick B I'm no expert but I think the meat was just put in there for smoking which was a way of preserving it, and then stored elsewhere and would keep over the winter in a cold cellar or icehouse. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

    08/30/2007 01:32:01
    1. [PD-LIFE] Moist & Crispy Chicken
    2. Lynn Vondran
    3. Hi Gang, Well, it turned out fantastic, and good enough to serve to company, in fact :o) >From "The Fish Wrapper"_a Christian newsletter MOIST & CRISPY CHICKEN 3 cups Rice Crispies (crushed)(I used corn flakes) 1 T Paprika 1/2 tsp. Salt 1/4 tsp. Pepper 6 pieces legs and thighs (I used all boneless/skinless thighs) 1/2 cup mayo *Mix dry ingredients in gallon plastic bag_lay flat on countertop, and just crunch it all, then give it a shake. *Spread chicken out in the baking pan/dish you are going to bake it in, and brush the chicken with the mayo. All I did was squirt the mayo over the chicken (didn't use even 1/2 cup for 16 pieces), then brushed it to cover. *Took one piece at a time from it's spot and shook it in the bag to cover with the dry mixture, then placed it right back in the baking dish. *Bake at 425 degrees for exactly 45 minutes, and try to just eat one piece. Mike had a hard time limiting himself to one piece. He didn't do too badly. He just ate 1 1/2 pieces. I'm telling you, you could eat the whole 16 pieces_well, maybe :o) It is THAT good, and so easy to do. You must double the dry ingredients to make the 16 thighs. I poured the remainder over the top of it all. Didn't waste a crumb. When I had to make more of the dry stuff, instead of Paprika, I used Garlic/Pepper Salt. You can use any kind of spice you can think of in this recipe, as the main secret to it is really the mayo mixed with the rice crispies or corn flakes. And, as I said, you REALLY don't need all that mayo to make this. I used less than 1/2 cup for all 16 pieces, and what they called for was 1/2 cup for just 6 pieces_unless they meant 6 pieces each of legs and thighs, but that isn't what they said. Hope you try this, it is REALLY good!!!! And, I know when I ask Mike how he wants his chicken from now on, he will say, "Do we have any corn flakes :o)" LOL!!!!! Lynn

    08/30/2007 01:14:02
    1. [PD-LIFE] Smoke Houses
    2. Richard Berkheiser
    3. Hi everyone! I have an interesting question for all of you to ponder. My parents and I were discussing smoke houses at the supper table a little while ago, and I had asked my mother if she remembered how long meat would keep in there? My father's parents always used to hang the meat in the stairwell to the basement wrapped in what he thought was cheesecloth. My mother's parents and grandparents were from the farm and they had an actual smoke house near the barn. Any thoughts on this? Rick B

    08/30/2007 01:06:31
    1. [PD-LIFE] Thanks for the Welcome!
    2. Pam Drake
    3. Hi Sheila! Thanks to you & others for the warm welcome. I'm not related to any PA.Dutch that I know of now. When I say PA.Dutch I'm thinking Amish is that right? I love their food though! I have alot of WV.ancestors starting with my father who was born there. Right now I'm looking for the parents of my 4xgreat-grandfather William Drake,Sr. I believe he was born circa 1755 in Bucks Co.,PA. He married Elizabeth Hinkle from Frederick Co.,MD. in 1780. He had at least 2 brothers David & Thomas Drake & one sister Hannah Drake. The brothers married Elizabeth's sisters,Margaret & Sarah Hinkle. Hannah had 2 husbands. The first husband was Robert Longshore,Jr. whom she married circa 1777 in Bucks Co.,PA. They had 6 children. Her second husband was Daniel Cresap,Sr. whom she married in 1797 in Allegany Co.,MD. Thanks for any help! Pam Drake in IN.

    08/30/2007 12:51:19