Enosburg is 8 miles from the Quebec border and 65 miles from Montreal. It has warmed up considerably and yesterday I ventured down to Burlington, interstate was not quite as good as I thought it was. After reading about all the good food, I am making a big pot of ham and pea soup.I originally came from York Co. Pa. My family lived in the Manchester and Dover area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] weather > Now that is what I call cold. I just read it to Mike, while he is > working, > and he said, THAT's cold! > Where is Enosburg? > I'd look it up, but I'm working on my photo project, and better sit still. > Bet you have goosedown stuff up there. > Take care!!!! > Hugs from a much warmer Columbia, than it is in Enosburg! It is 15 > degrees > now that the sun went down? It certainly feels colder out there, than > earlier when it was 10 degrees. > > Eppleys wrote: >> we hit about 35 below in Enosburg, 8 miles from the Canadian border, at >> least it was about 28 below at 8:30 A.M. so figured it was much lower at >> early morning. Warmed right up there to zero before noon, now it is cold >> again but warm enough to snow a bit. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1899 - Release Date: 1/17/2009 5:50 PM

Darrenkamp's see their website: http://www.darrenkamps.com/AboutUs.aspx Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:23 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [PD-LIFE] NuWave I am so hungry for ham 'n' bean soup now!!!! I should have picked up some Northern Beans, when we were at Darankamp's. I better learn how to spell that, if I'm going to shop there :o) Anyone know the correct spelling of that store? Have to email my cousins, now. I'll be back Monday. I know, I said that before. This list is just contageous! Hugs for the weekend. :o) Lynn

Lynn, Do you mean mock apple pie made with green tomatoes or mock cherry pie made with cranberries??? Mary

My mom used to make the brown gravy by adding the flour directly to the drippings, turning up the heat, then slowing adding the liquid as the drippings and flour browned. I don't brown my flour, I just add a flour-water or arrowroot-water mixture to the liquid. It works very well, except the gravy doesn't get as dark because the flour isn't caramelizing. Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brenda Daniels Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PD-LIFE] Brown Gravy Has anyone made brown gravy by browning [I use a cast iron skillet and stir till brown] the flour 1 cup to 2 quarts then adding to the left over liquid after cooking a roast. I like pork roast best. After gravy thicken I strip the roast into mouth size bites and stir it into gravy. This is good over toasted bread or biscuits. Add vegetables to side. You can also cook roast and vegetables [Potatoes, carrots, celery, broccoli, onion, peas, green beans, corn, any veg that you like] Cook roast till almost done add cut vegetables and cook till done. Separate roast and vegetables from liquid. Brown flour in a cast iron skillet. Add brown flour1 cup to 2 quarts liquid and cook till thickened then you can cut roast in bite size pieces.Add roast and vegetables to thicken liquid. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All this talk about cheese soup makes me hungry for what my ex used to call red bunny......tomato soup with chunks of cheddar cheese dropped into it a couple of minutes before it is served. YUM! Darn it.... now I'm drooling. Genome testing..... Joan, how is it done; where is it done; who does it? Did you have it ordered by your doctor, or did you just have it done? And if you don't mind my asking, can you give me a ball-park figure on cost? Hugs, Mary

Hi, Cathy. Yes, you can use this in spaghetti sauce.... I've actually used it that way myself when I got it too thin and didn't have any tomato paste. I like it better, because paste tends to add bitterness to the sauce. But, that's just me. Yes, the arrowroot is in powder form - an extremely fine powder, just like cornstarch. I haven't seen the potato starch at the health food store. In fact, I haven't seen it around here at all in a long time. But one of the list members reminded me that you can use instant potatoes in much the same way. You can pour some instant potato mix into a pyrex measuring cup, add some water, mix it up, and let is stand for a few minutes. That's actually how I make my instant potatoes when I do use them. Then, just before we eat, I pop them into the microwave for a minute or two and they are done! There's no shame in being a city girl. You can't know about those things to which you aren't exposed, taught, or told. Life is nothing more than one large learning experience. Use what you need and leave the rest. I actually had a brother-in-law, Bill, who was raised in NY City. His parents were well-to-do, and his mother never, ever did any cooking. All meals were ordered in from the restaurants, the delis, and the caterers. My mother-in-law used to make pickles every year, which were out of this world. We were all picnicking at mom's and dad's one summer (my ex-husband had three sisters), and mom ran out of pickles. Bill put on his jacket and was going to go to the store to get some. Mom said to just go to the basement and get some from the shelf. He laughed, thinking she was joking. As things went along, it came out that he didn't know where pickles came from and he thought mom was kidding him when she told him she picked cucumbers and made them. He had never been exposed to cooking, let alone where the food came from. So, ask away. We list members will be more than happy to share any and all things with you. If you lived a little closer, I'd be happy to show you how. Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cathy And donald w raber Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Thickening stuff Mary, Ok, we do have a health food store, near me, sort of so perhaps I'll try it there. I've heard of it. but haven't ever "thickened" anything, so wanted to perhaps dabble into at least once! Does this thickening include spaghetti sauce? I know you can get tomato paste, but just asking! Is this arrowroot in powder form too? Do they sell potato starch though? I've not seen that either! That might be good for stew, perhaps if so! Tell you the truth, being a city girl basically, though Ohio is an agricultural area too, but just not totally, I'm from the city, & really didn't know many that lived on the country side of town, until I met my husband. His parents built on a cattle pasture. I guess that's what Lynn's Manual was talking about suet & adding to something for the birds! Or I've heard about that for the birds! Not sure which it was, really! Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Sayman" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:33:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Thickening stuff Cathy, I usually get my arrowroot from the health food store where they sell it in bulk, or from the Amish stores where they also sell it in bulk. I love the stuff. It is a little frustrating to get used to at first, but now I hate to use flour. It actually acts a lot like cornstarch. I haven't tried ordering it on line. I'll have to check that out. Potato starch is another thickening agent. My mom used to make gravy on any kind of drippings. Some times, to stretch it, she would add a little bit of lard to the drippings, heat it up, then add either her flour or cornstarch (usually flour) mixture to it, constantly stirring it while it thickened. You can still buy lard in the stores. Ours came from processing our beef or pork. Mom spent hours cooking down what we call suet - the fat we got from slaughtering. When she figured she had enough lard processed, she would take the remaining suet and mix it with bird seed and hang it out in onion sacks for the birds. Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cathy And donald w raber Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Thickening stuff May I've never heard of the arrowroot as a thickening agent. That's interesting, but have for flour & cornstarch. It's interesting that all do the same job though. Does it come like they do at the store, or do you order it through the mail? I was wondering along these lines, does anyone know about making a hamburger gravy with cornstarch> If so please post it. Or perhaps I'll talk to my mother about it soon. She used to make this & we would boil potatoes & eat vegies with it, when I grew up & reading about these emails brought up the memory, I guess! Later, Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Sayman" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:19:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Thickening stuff I also use arrow root. It works like cornstarch and flour, but it usually takes less of it. It also assumes the taste of whatever you are thickening so you never get that 'taste' you get with the other two. You need to mix it with cool water before adding it to what you are thickening. It will set up really quickly when you add the water (like Lynn said, you can eat it with a fork if you aren't quick), but a few drops more make it into a nice smooth mixture. I use a touch of sour crème (sometimes with chives) in my mashed potatoes. There are times when I don't even have to add any butter (or margarine - I personally use Land 'O Lakes 'Fresh Buttery Taste' because it tastes like butter, is very healthy for me, and was recommended by my nutritionist) to them. I also use a touch of sour crème in my tuna fish salad instead of using so much mayonnaise. For a real treat, add some celery, garlic, and onion powders to your tuna. That's after you add freshly chopped onion and some sweet relish. YUM!! Ok, dag nab it.... now you guys have got me talking about food, and I'm starting to drool!!!! LOL Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:33 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [PD-LIFE] Thickening stuff Hi Tracy, Things I use to thicken_flour, cornstarch, sour cream, cream, cream cheese_depending on what you are making_but flour, cream cheese, and cream mostly. I just used cornstarch to thicken my hot chili pepper sauce the other night, and it got good, but you have to be careful how much you use, because it is a sneaky sort of thickener_before you know it, it can be cut with a fork and chewed, instead of slurped from a spoon :o) Lynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We are experiencing a heat wave today..... 26°. It was very cold last night, but we got about 4" of new snow. It is snowing again now. WE have another clipper coming across the Great Lakes tonight, but our temperatures will not reach the negative numbers we've had the past week. We are supposed to stay in the 20s for a few days, then dip into the low teens for the duration. That's better than the -12° to 12° we've had lately. Stay warm, everyone. Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tracy Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Freezing New Yorkers!!! Mary,    I hear you have another Clipper coming! It is brutal this year.   -tracy --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Mary wrote: I don't like this Alberta Clipper.I wish I could send it back to Canada!!! Hugs, Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I had my kitchen remodeled and bought a new refrigerator I got one that had filtered water and ice in the door. Since that time coffee and everything else tastes better. Also, some coffee makers come with a built in filter too. Those filters remove chlorine taste completely. Joan In a message dated 1/18/2009 2:05:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I know what you mean. Here in Panama City the water is so highly chlorinated that when you lift the toilet seat it smells like a pool. Sometimes the faucet does too if not been used in a bit (mainly first thing in morning). When I moved here I had terrible heartburn until I figured out it was the water causing it. Quit drinking the water, the heartburn went away. -tracy

I have used Folgers Decaf and really like it a lot. At work, we used to brew half-caf, 1/2 regular and 1/2 decaf. It was good, too. Other than that, I used the decaf from Boca Java club. Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynn Vondran Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:55 PM To: Don Churchfield; [email protected] Subject: [PD-LIFE] Decaf Drip Anyone ever have decaf drip? What kind is the best for that? Thanks! Lynn Don wrote: ....my wife drinks decaf. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had heard about the instant potatoes once before and forgot all about it..... Thanks for the reminder, Marilyn. Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PD-LIFE] Thickening Someone mentioned using potato starch for thickening.? For stews and many soups instant potatoes work very well.? Cheap and always on hand because I use instant potatoes when I make white bread. Happy cooking Marilyn in Ohio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've seen 8 o'clock sold in stores of late -- but I don't think it is the same as what they used to sell at A&P. A&P also used to have another blend called Bokar--I forget which my mother used to buy. I suspect the 8 o'clock in the stores today is merely the original name sold to another company. Joan In a message dated 1/18/2009 12:19:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Yes it was in the A and P stores, I remember my mothers friend always wanting us to pick some up for her, Memories!!!1

Yes it was in the A and P stores, I remember my mothers friend always wanting us to pick some up for her, Memories!!!1 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Decaf Drip > > Those coffee's were A&P brands back in the 50's. Think I remember seeing 8 > o'clock in other stores in the mid 60's.? Surprised me at that time.? > Connie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn Vondran <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 9:22 pm > Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Decaf Drip > > > > Thanks, Barb! > We both drink instant coffee black, but I might try with cream, for the > drip. I do like it black, though. > I never knew that about 8 o'clock coffee being an A&P brand_that's > interesting. > Barb wrote: > Lynn -- > Joe and I have Decaf made in an electric drip coffee pot -- we use Green > Mountain Coffee Roasters' Country Blend most of the time but also have > successfully used eight o'clock coffee or folgers. My dad was an A & P > Store > manager for thirty six years and at the time eight o'clock coffee and red > circle coffee were A & P brands. There also was a very heavy coffee that > completed the trio -- it was called bokar and was very bitter. Joe likes > his > coffee black ( left over habit from his days in the U S Navy) -- I like > mine > with a bit of cream !! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Those coffee's were A&P brands back in the 50's. Think I remember seeing 8 o'clock in other stores in the mid 60's.? Surprised me at that time.? Connie -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Vondran <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 9:22 pm Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Decaf Drip Thanks, Barb! We both drink instant coffee black, but I might try with cream, for the drip. I do like it black, though. I never knew that about 8 o'clock coffee being an A&P brand_that's interesting. Barb wrote: Lynn -- Joe and I have Decaf made in an electric drip coffee pot -- we use Green Mountain Coffee Roasters' Country Blend most of the time but also have successfully used eight o'clock coffee or folgers. My dad was an A & P Store manager for thirty six years and at the time eight o'clock coffee and red circle coffee were A & P brands. There also was a very heavy coffee that completed the trio -- it was called bokar and was very bitter. Joe likes his coffee black ( left over habit from his days in the U S Navy) -- I like mine with a bit of cream !! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ditto on the water from Shrewsbury.? We filter it and only use the regular for watering plants and laundry/dishwasher.? Connie -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Vondran <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] coffee Wouldn't drink the water in Columbia without filtering it_neither do we let the pets. Smells like bleach when it's coming out of the faucet sometimes. Yes, we'll probably settle on Maxwell House/Folgers or 8 o'clock. :o) Lynn Tracy wrote: I think another thing to effect the taste of coffee is the water. Many places will use filtered water. -tracy p.s. we use Maxwell House or Folgers. I really can't tell the difference. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I use Folgers Decaf (in green container). Gotta have a bit of milk too!   -tracy --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Barb wrote: Joe and I have Decaf made in an electric drip coffee pot -- we use Green Mountain Coffee Roasters' Country Blend most of the time but also have successfully used eight o'clock coffee or folgers. 

 I know what you mean. Here in Panama City the water is so highly chlorinated that when you lift the toilet seat it smells like a pool. Sometimes the faucet does too if not been used in a bit (mainly first thing in morning). When I moved here I had terrible heartburn until I figured out it was the water causing it. Quit drinking the water, the heartburn went away.   -tracy --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Lynn wrote: Wouldn't drink the water in Columbia without filtering it_neither do we let the pets.  Smells like bleach when it's coming out of the faucet sometimes. Yes, we'll probably settle on Maxwell House/Folgers or 8 o'clock.

Someone mentioned using potato starch for thickening.? For stews and many soups instant potatoes work very well.? Cheap and always on hand because I use instant potatoes when I make white bread. Happy cooking Marilyn in Ohio

Thanks to all of you who wrote back about our twin grandchildren. Yes, both grandmothers names became the middle names of these precious little girls - we were in tears when they showed us the applications for the birth certificates. My grandmother would be proud as she suggested my name to my Dad. I'm second generation Swedish American, my Mom's parents both emigrating from Sweden in the early 1900's. My older son must be proud of his heritage, too, as the kids will call me Farmor - "father's mother", in Swedish. I've been diligently working on my husband's STROH line. I'm verifying data trying to get something legitimate together for a possible publication. I know it's going to take years, but it's such a fascinating family with a long history. The emigrant brothers arrived about 1750, a few years apart, from the Alsace and settled originally in Lancaster county PA. I've got a huge database as I'm trying to trace all descendants. The tricky thing is getting the children into the correct families - early-on they were naming their children the same names and they all lived in close proximity. New names pop up every once in a while, too. It's a challenge! -Linnea On Jan 17, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Cathy And donald w raber wrote: > Many congrats to you & the parents of the twins, Linnea. > What beautiful names too! And I noticed that your name is in there > too! So very cool! Cathy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linnea Miller" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:25:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > Subject: [PD-LIFE] Family Update > > Hi All and Happy New Year! > > I just wanted to share an exciting update in our family! On December > 19th my daughter-in-law presented us with twin girls! They're > preemies, born at 30 weeks, but both are doing superbly! <snip>

Lynn -- Joe and I have Decaf made in an electric drip coffee pot -- we use Green Mountain Coffee Roasters' Country Blend most of the time but also have successfully used eight o'clock coffee or folgers.  My dad was an A & P Store manager for thirty six years and at the time eight o'clock coffee and red circle coffee were A & P brands.  There also was a very heavy coffee that completed the trio  -- it was called bokar and was very bitter.  Joe likes his coffee black ( left over habit from his days in the U S Navy) -- I like mine with a bit of cream !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <[email protected]> To: "Don Churchfield" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:54:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [PD-LIFE] Decaf Drip Anyone ever have decaf drip?  What kind is the best for that? Thanks! Lynn Don wrote: ....my wife drinks decaf.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now see that's interesting. I can brew coffee the night before & still tastes the same in the morning to me! And then I just pop in the microwave to warm up when I'm ready to drink it! It does sometimes keep me wired at night, but mostly it doesn't! I have been using up some canned milk, which I think I approve, more than the dry stuff you can get at the stores for creamer! I always have liked canned, since I used to use it in my tea, when I was a kid! Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:54:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] Starbucks and Dunkin' coffee I think one of the reasons that Dunkin' Donuts Coffee doesn't taste the same when made at home is that in the stores the coffee is constantly being made and is very hot and fresh. One thing about coffee is that it deteriorates quickly and is only at its best flavor if consumed when it is fresh and hot. On a side note--and this might sound funny but it is true...coffee is one thing that tastes different to different people I had never realized this until I had the genome testing done (that I mentioned yesterday). One of the traits they tell you about is whether or not you have the gene to taste bitterness in some foods and coffee is included on the list. I learned I have this gene and that is probably one reason I'm very fussy about coffee--it has to ground and brewed and consumed when FRESH--never reheated or allowed to sit for hours in the pot and kept hot. It turns bitter is not consumed when very fresh. Joan In a message dated 1/17/2009 3:48:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: i have to agree with mary on starbucks~i don't care for it at all...reckon that's why they make different kinds~different strokes for different folks! :-) sue (in sunny, chilly NE Florida) -- ...so, i went to san francisco, found someone's heart...now what? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Mary Sayman" <[email protected]> > I love Dunkin' Donuts coffee. But it never tastes the same when I brew it > at home. I finally gave up trying. > As far as Starbucks goes........ You can have my share. I've tried it > several times, including brewing it at home. > I think it is pretty nasty tasting stuff. I'll drink water first, thank you > very much. > Hugs, > Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message