Oops!  Bet your face was red! lol   tracy --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Don wrote: Early in my career as a minister, I was meeting with a young couple planning their wedding. They had attended pre-marriage counseling, and were down to the final planning stage. After going over what they wanted to do during the ceremony,I asked, even though the wedding was going to be a small one, if they would like to have a wedding rehearsal the evening before the wedding. They indicated they would like to do that, and I told them I was glad they made that decision because I thought it was important for everybody to know exactly what to do before the FUNERAL!

Thanks Sue. I'm with both of you, and Lynn too!   tracy --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Sue wrote: i'm with mary 100% on this one...bryan has to know that there is at least one person he can count on, and as his wife it's got to be you...especially now when any faith your hubby had in his sibs has been crushed and they continue to lie to him...not telling him would amount to a lie of omission and would break his trust in you... good luck and God bless~

Thanks Mary. That is what I will do tonight. It is just so hard knowing I will cause him so much grief.   tracy --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Mary wrote: I think you need to sit Bryan down and let him know what is going on. Don't wait for him to ask you. He'll be doubly upset if you keep it from him. He needs to be able to trust you without any question in his mind. You have shown him that you have always been up front and honest with him, unlike his own family. Don't change that now. I am afraid that it would only cause harm to your relationship. I know he is very upset already, but he really does need to know the truth. Just do it as gently as you can....

Lynn, They lie about everything. The only time they don't lie is when their mouths are shut, but I know they are thinking up the next one. I'm so thankful Bryan is not blood-related, only adopted. He has turned out nothing like them.   I still have yet to tell him about his mom. He never said anything yesterday and I don't know how to tell him. Guess I will just come straight out and tell him tonight. We worked any "bugs" out last week and are a-okay with each other.   tracy --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Lynn wrote: Oh my! How can they lie about something like that. Hope this is all settled for you soon. Hope this doesn't start something between you and Bryan, if he would find out that you knew about it, but didn't tell him. Yes, it would be rather hard to tell him, but....hmmmmm.

Early in my career as a minister, I was meeting with a young couple planning their wedding. They had attended pre-marriage counseling, and were down to the final planning stage. After going over what they wanted to do during the ceremony,I asked, even though the wedding was going to be a small one, if they would like to have a wedding rehearsal the evening before the wedding. They indicated they would like to do that, and I told them I was glad they made that decision because I thought it was important for everybody to know exactly what to do before the FUNERAL! Don in AZ

Thanks, Judy and all. I was thinking of this years ago, but never thought it would fly in this area. So, if Judy and the rest of you, haven't had a problem with taking bags into the stores, then I will try it. Especially since Connie and Bill don't have a problem, and they are basically in this area, and shop at some of the same places we do. One of these days, Connie, I will bump into you at Wal-mart, or Eastern Market. When I do, we'll look at one another and figure out how many times we passed each other over the years of shopping in the York area :o) LOL!!!!! Wouldn't that be a hoot!!! Well, now the question is, where does one get material that doesn't stink of the air in the stores, and really smells like fabric, instead of people's perfumes? Maybe we'll take a closer look at some fabric shoppes, again, to see if anything changed with the way they smell. Connie, have you been in any of the fabric stores lately, in York? Wish our Columbia Garment Factory was still here! I could go into that store, and get whatever material, laces, threads, ribbons, you name it, they had it_Velcro, etc._I wanted and not have to worry about the smells, because the store didn't smell. I should be able to make 20 or 30 bags in no time at all, since I made my 28 girls in band front their poodle skirts, scarves and hair scrunchies in just two weeks, back in 1997-98 season_shouldn't be a problem at all!!! While I'm at it, I might as well make Lindsey's bunny, Boomer, some blankets from the old material I've been saving in the middle room upstairs. That would get rid of a few more boxes in that room. And make Lexus her bed covers, and comforters. Yes, I think I'll just get started on that stuff, until we get out to get some cotton material for bags. Just plain old cotton fabric. No fancy edging and such? Sounds like a done deal here. Though, I better find something to protect my kitchen table better, since the last time I worked with my roller cutter, I shreaded the table cloth :o) LOL!!!!!!! I was so angry with myself, I was spittin' fire, because it was a brand new table cloth, and I really liked it. It was a huge joke around here for over a year. The joke has subsided, until I decide to get a new table cloth, and someone comments on it_then the subject of that shredding comes up again, creating much laughter. Well, have to get the bulletin done for church, so Mike can take it to choir tonight, for someone to photocopy it onto the actual bulletins. Talk to ya later. Yes, I agree with Mary and Sue, and all the others who might have emailed you privately. You have to sit down with Bryan and gently tell him what is going on. It is best that way, than hiding it_thus when I said what I said before, and put that But, hmmmmmm with it. Mary wrote out the hmmmm. You must be honest_you are probably the only one he can trust, now, in his life. God speed, and God bless. Hugs! Lynn PS Going to the kitchen to make some whole wheat wraps in my new FlavorWave! Will let you know how I like it. Judy wrote about making her own shopping bags, and not having a problem with the stores.

I make my own shopping bags. I have never, ever had a problem bringing an armload of bags into the store with me. The clerks here are very willing to use them, and many of them encourage them. If I don't have them and decide to stop for groceries anyway, I go without bags. Because they all know me now, they don't stop me, but I hold the receipt just in case. It is so easy to make shopping bags and does not take much fabric. You would be surprised at how strong they are, and how much they hold. I can put WAY more into one of them than I ever could into a plastic bag. Besides, the checkers used to only put a couple or a few items into the plastic bags because they rip, but the cloth bags hold a ton of stuff. They are cotton, not chemical-laden plastic, and if something gets spilled, I toss them into the washer. Florida isn't ready to rebate for bringing one's own bags yet, but I'm sure it is coming. Some other states have banned the use of plastic bags altogether. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Vondran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: [PD-LIFE] Hmmmmm Cotton Bags! > Hi Connie, > How much were these bags? Would I need a duffle bag to even take them all > into the stores when we go shopping :o) And would they even let me in the > stores with all those bags? We go shopping only once, or twice if we HAVE > to, a month. I would venture to say that we bring in about 20 to 30 bags > of > stuff sometimes. I usually use the bags to pick up after Lexus. I can > only > go shopping once or twice a month, because of this thing I have. Are > these > bags washable, because I would have to wash them every time I used them, > due > to the smells from some of the items we get, that stink from the chemicals > they use in the processing of the packaging. These things I must > repackage > as soon as I get them into the house. > Thanks! > Hugs! > Lynn > Connie wrote: >> We always take our cotton bags with handles.? I bought them a long time >> ago from a catalogue. I pack my own bags when I can.? That way, it is >> efficient and no need for any of theirs.? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

hi tracy, i'm with mary 100% on this one...bryan has to know that there is at least one person he can count on, and as his wife it's got to be you...especially now when any faith your hubby had in his sibs has been crushed and they continue to lie to him...not telling him would amount to a lie of omission and would break his trust in you... good luck and God bless~ sue (in rainy, it's-gonna-get-cold-again NE Florida) -- i believe i'm experiencing amnesia and deja vu at the same time~i think i've forgotten this before... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Mary Sayman" <[email protected]> > Tracy, > > I think you need to sit Bryan down and let him know what is going on. Don't > wait for him to ask you. He'll be doubly upset > if you keep it from him. He needs to be able to trust you without any > question in his mind. You have shown him that you > have always been up front and honest with him, unlike his own family. Don't > change that now. I am afraid that it would > only cause harm to your relationship. I know he is very upset already, but > he really does need to know the truth. Just do > it as gently as you can.... > > Hugs, > Mary >

Tracy, I think you need to sit Bryan down and let him know what is going on. Don't wait for him to ask you. He'll be doubly upset if you keep it from him. He needs to be able to trust you without any question in his mind. You have shown him that you have always been up front and honest with him, unlike his own family. Don't change that now. I am afraid that it would only cause harm to your relationship. I know he is very upset already, but he really does need to know the truth. Just do it as gently as you can.... Hugs, Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tracy Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PD-LIFE] /family grief Now I just received an email from the funeral home. They did NOT do the cremation yet and have only received money from Bryan and I. They will only proceed with the cremation after more money is received. The sister said she had some money to add but hasn't yet. Now I don't know what to tell Bryan. He will be so very upset to learn about the cremation not taking place. It's beyond my understanding how the family can lie about everything. I guess I just wait until he asks and then tell him the truth.   tracy   --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Connie wrote: I knew it would settle down at some point.  Unfortunately, it did not happen in my husbands family.  I think all families have some issues eventually.    ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It all boils down to the fact that we each have to be our own advocates in managing our health and we have to listen to what our bodies are telling us if/when something doesn't seem "right" to us--we need to insist that our doctors LISTEN to us -- which many do not. Doctors often come back to you with statements like mine did -- "you aren't a chemist or scientist and you don't understand that these things are not possible." And then later on they learn that, indeed, these things ARE possible. My asthma specialist (former) said that MTBE was a form of ether and the tiny particles couldn't cause respiratory problems because they were too tiny. Now they learn that this is precisely WHY they can cause health issues--they are such tiny particles they are absorbed easily into the body AND leech into the water supply. Joan In a message dated 1/28/2009 3:01:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Good for you, Joan!!!! That was quite an accomplishment getting your one doctor to admit to the other he was wrong. Mike and I always say that there is a GREAT money making, that we don't know about, like kickbacks, and all other kinds of under the table exchanges going on in the drug industry, as well as most manufacturing. They will never do anything about it all, because too much money would be lost_as industry would come to a halt. :o) Lynn PS I just now watched a report that alli is the ONLY over the counter drug for dieting that is approved by the FDA, because others have Carcinogens in them, at levels not regulated.

Good for you, Joan!!!! That was quite an accomplishment getting your one doctor to admit to the other he was wrong. Mike and I always say that there is a GREAT money making, that we don't know about, like kickbacks, and all other kinds of under the table exchanges going on in the drug industry, as well as most manufacturing. They will never do anything about it all, because too much money would be lost_as industry would come to a halt. :o) Lynn PS I just now watched a report that alli is the ONLY over the counter drug for dieting that is approved by the FDA, because others have Carcinogens in them, at levels not regulated. Joan wrote: > This is one of the things that Lynn and I talked about before. I'm VERY > certain of what was the trigger for me as to my weird form of asthma. It > was > years ago when they put MTBE (Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether) as an additive > in > gasoline supposedly to cut down on air pollution! The asthma specialist > claimed > at the time that it couldn't possibly have caused my problem--but over > the > years they have learned more, and the substance is now banned -- after > the > damage was done to many people! If you Google MTBE and side effects or > even just > MTBE you will learn what a serious problem was created when this chemical > was > quietly (with no public announcement) added to gasoline in some parts of > the > country. > > They have long since discontinued its use but once it served as a trigger > for medical issues the affected people suffer the consequences for life. > Oh > yes...and they are now finding that MTBE leeched from the underground gas > tanks > and has now seeped into the ground water and is in our WATER SUPPLY in > many > parts of the country. Officials admit they have no clue at this point what > the > long-term effects are from MTBE in water. > > I even had my asthma specialist (make that FORMER asthma specialist) > admit > he was wrong and he told me he didn't want to think it could cause any > harm > because he had heavily invested in MTBE! Sheesh! Talk about conflict of > interest. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 1/28/2009 12:52:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > No, what would help my case is if manufacturers, and people would knock > it > off with the scent factor, and changing products all the time, with > modern > day processing methods. Wait and see_one day they will all of a > sudden_after billions and billions of dollars of research (as they are > starting to do now with cosmetics) discover that the 1,500 poisonous > chemicals used in our everyday products really are the problems causing > cancer, the rise in childhood asthma, severe migraines, and many other > medical mysteries, and situations. Hope it is in my lifetime, so I can > look > folks in the eyes and just give 'em a little wink :o) LOL!!!!!! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh my! How can they lie about something like that. Hope this is all settled for you soon. Hope this doesn't start something between you and Bryan, if he would find out that you knew about it, but didn't tell him. Yes, it would be rather hard to tell him, but....hmmmmm. Hugs! Lynn Tracy wrote:o( Now I just received an email from the funeral home. They did NOT do the cremation yet and have only received money from Bryan and I. They will only proceed with the cremation after more money is received. The sister said she had some money to add but hasn't yet. Now I don't know what to tell Bryan. He will be so very upset to learn about the cremation not taking place. It's beyond my understanding how the family can lie about everything. I guess I just wait until he asks and then tell him the truth.

Wish we could head back to Reading. I miss my hometown. Wasn't it you, Sally, who said that you had someone buried at Charles Evans Cemetery? I lived down Perry Street from their Crematorium, back in the mid 70s. Becky, that would be a sight to see, a 16-year-old teaching you how to drive. Look out world, here she comes again!!! When I read your post, all that came to mind was the song, "On the Road Again" :o) Take care when your nephew gets you behind the wheel :o) LOL!!! Driving is like riding a bike, you never forget. Let's see, yes, there was a show with Lucy learning to drive. Gotta watch it again. Or was that in The Long Long Trailer that she learned how to drive? No, I'm pretty sure it was I Love Lucy. :o) Lynn Becky wrote: Oh SAlly-I agree with the wondering. Cousin Elsie heads toward Reading all the time. Keep fingers crossed that I get the driver's license back at the end of March. I haven't driven since 2004 and I AM READY!!! My nephew has vowed to help me "learn"! He's sixteen-can you see it?

That is such a cute story, Don! Yes, your wife sounds like me, with Mom's winter fly, when I was a little girl. Every year, the very last fly would become my pet_mostly Mom's though. I would let some sugar on the kitchen table for it, and when we turned the light off, it would sit on the red Christmas bells hanging from the ceiling. We would count to about 10, and then turn the light on again. Sure enough the fly would be there, put to bed for the night :o) I know, flies are dirty, but we always figured that the ONE winter fly made it that far into the year, it was living in the house somewhere already. It would usually drown in the dish water or someone's glass. You always had to make sure to check your glass before drinking :o) Mom was caught by the police trying to resuscitate a wasp that had gotten into the house. Long story :o) Had to do with either the riots of the 70s, or the invader of the 60s. Now, flies drive me crazy if they get into the house. :o) Lynn Don in AZ wrote: > The Gecko is a funny little creature. When we were in Okinawa > we kept at least one in the house all the time as they eat bugs. > We didn't have any problems with mosquito's or flies in the > house. My wife had a pet Gecko in the kitchen that liked peanut > butter. Every night she would leave a little peanut butter on a > paper plate and it would be gone in the morning. The way we > knew it was the Gecko eating it was we would see it if we > happened to get up at the right time through the night. > > Don in AZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

WOW!!!!!!!! I don't believe I ever heard of it being that cold in AZ? Though I guess some place would have to be, isn't there snow in some areas of AZ? In know, that is probably a really dumb question. Hm, sounded like a plow just hit a car outside_hope not. I don't have a car anymore, but wouldn't want another neighbor to have to go through that again. Better check! Stay warm Don and family!!! :o) Lynn Don in AZ wrote: > It was 27 degrees in sunny Arizona when I got up this morning. > That is cold for here! >

Hi Mary!!! Thank you! and Joan, too :o) Yes, it isn't easy, and yes, it's very dangerous, and yes, I am ever so thankful that I found more folks who understand!!! WOW! This is GREAT. Not that you have just about what I have_in fact, I think in some areas you are worse off than I am for sure!!!! This really makes me feel like I'm not alone, and you know that is very heartwarming. But, I'm not happy others are like me, because it isn't easy at all. Glad you are doing better, too, Mary!! So am I when I can stay away from the stuff. Hugs from a sloppy, wet Columbia. Tonight it will be dangerous out there, if all of this freezes again. From where I am sitting, right now, it looks like things are still a little icy, but melting. Take care if any of you have to travel in this mess. :o) Lynn .Mary wrote: > Lynn, > > I have sensitivities and asthma, too, though not as severe as yours. I > underwent patch testing this summer. I hope I > never have to go through it again. I was found to be highly sensitive to > nickel (which I knew), 'fragrance mix', and cobalt. > I have had to search for new laundry detergent, soaps, shampoos, hair dye, > fabric softeners, etc.; go through anything I > would use or be exposed to as far as getting on my skin or into my system > and get rid of it; stop using candles with any > fragrance; and be ware of anything else that might spark a reaction. I > spent a lot of time in my bathroom with a huge > magnifying glass reading all the ingredients on every label. I still > haven't gone through it all, but I have sorted out a lot > of the things I can't use and replaced what I normally use with safe > things. > I'll get to the rest later. Until then, I don't > even touch the bottles or containers. Still, I am not as bad as you. For > those who may want to take a peek at one of > the test results for Fragrance Mix, here is the link: > http://www.truetest.com/PatientPDF/Patient_Fragrance.pdf. If > you want to look over the whole site, here is the link for that, too: > http://www.truetest.com/commonallergens.aspx > It may help you to understand the severity of Lynn's CSSA. I, personally, > cannot have anything with cinnamon or cloves > in it because I so allergic that my mouth turns into one huge mass of > blisters that last for a week. I am supposed to be > wary of anything with vanilla or citrus in it, too, as well as wearing > gloves if I have to peel citrus. That goes for anything > that will touch or absorb into my skin. > > Allergies build up over time. It is RARE that one has an immediate, > extreme > reaction to something the first time one is > exposed. PLEASE do not let any one tell you any differently. I developed > the nickel allergy, which nearly killed me, when > I was around 26. It was fortunate that I decided to go to the doctor's > office when I did. Another day or so, and I would > have died. The rest of it all developed over the past 35 years, because > it > took time to build up in my system. The fact is > that your system can naturally handle a certain amount of allergens, even > small overdoses if they are sporadic. But once > your body hits that point where you are over the edge, that's when it all > hits the fan! > > After my testing in June, I went to my hairdresser's salon to talk with > her > about the products we had been using on me. > She was not there, and the lady at the front desk, Pat, who is a complete > love, unwittingly went and had another hair > dresser come out. This hairdresser is an idiot! and she explained to me > quite loudly so every one in the shop could hear > that ".... NOTHING they use in their salon could have possibly caused any > problem because I would have had an IMMEDIATE > reaction." I truly believe she thought I was there to go after the salon > for causing my problem rather than listening to the > fact that I was there for help, which I plainly stated. I became > extremely > upset, but she never had an inkling that I was > quite livid. I thanked her for her time, calmly turned to Pat, and said, > "Please have J.K. call me when she returns." Besides > giving horrible haircuts (personal experience), that woman will cause a > problem one day by giving some one bad information. > In just one product I had purchased from the salon and had used heavily > for > the previous nine months had four allergens in it. > > Thankfully, my asthma seems to have lessened drastically. It may have > been > caused by all the allergens I was exposing > myself to on a daily basis. At least for now, I am off my inhalers and > have > few symptoms. My breathing is much improved. > > Hugs to all,

This is one of the things that Lynn and I talked about before. I'm VERY certain of what was the trigger for me as to my weird form of asthma. It was years ago when they put MTBE (Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether) as an additive in gasoline supposedly to cut down on air pollution! The asthma specialist claimed at the time that it couldn't possibly have caused my problem--but over the years they have learned more, and the substance is now banned -- after the damage was done to many people! If you Google MTBE and side effects or even just MTBE you will learn what a serious problem was created when this chemical was quietly (with no public announcement) added to gasoline in some parts of the country. They have long since discontinued its use but once it served as a trigger for medical issues the affected people suffer the consequences for life. Oh yes...and they are now finding that MTBE leeched from the underground gas tanks and has now seeped into the ground water and is in our WATER SUPPLY in many parts of the country. Officials admit they have no clue at this point what the long-term effects are from MTBE in water. I even had my asthma specialist (make that FORMER asthma specialist) admit he was wrong and he told me he didn't want to think it could cause any harm because he had heavily invested in MTBE! Sheesh! Talk about conflict of interest. Joan In a message dated 1/28/2009 12:52:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: No, what would help my case is if manufacturers, and people would knock it off with the scent factor, and changing products all the time, with modern day processing methods. Wait and see_one day they will all of a sudden_after billions and billions of dollars of research (as they are starting to do now with cosmetics) discover that the 1,500 poisonous chemicals used in our everyday products really are the problems causing cancer, the rise in childhood asthma, severe migraines, and many other medical mysteries, and situations. Hope it is in my lifetime, so I can look folks in the eyes and just give 'em a little wink :o) LOL!!!!!!

Yes, those cow commercials are a hoot!!!!! and the little Gecko from GEICO :o) Did I spell those correctly? Did you know that the little Gecko didn't put his seatbelt on in the earlier commercials for GEICO? After my cousin's wife (my cousin worked for them before he passed away) put a suggestion into their suggestion box at work, you saw they pulled the old commercial and it came back with the Gecko buckling up :o) :o) Lynn Sue wrote: > selling california cheese..."the best cheese comes from happy cows"...they > have a real cute one where the cows get all excited about a small > earthquake, calling it a "hoof massage"...the whole series of commercials > is pretty funny...

Trish, I know you aren't trying to argue :o) Yes, people are always trying to help. I just feel like I have to try to explain my condition, so they understand. Joan and I have talked extensively on the subject years ago, and she is just trying to help me, by explaining a little :o) She knows how hard it is for me to try to get people to understand what I have. I'm like you, Trish. My doctor is upset with me because I haven't been to him except once, to get an excuse for jury duty, in over 7 years, or more. He now makes me come for a prescription for my emergency inhaler. I'm one who says, "If you aren't sick, you don't have to run to the doctor's." My inhaler only gets used in an exTREME emergency when I don't listen. I just keep it handy in case. I run for the black coffee first, and that usually helps, and I don't get the rushing BUZZ like I do with the inhaler. I don't take ANY other medicines. I truly believe the food we eat takes care of a lot of things, that a lot of people need a pill for. I have a fantastic immune system, and being into Yoga stretches, I'm pretty limber for a 55 years old lady :o) I can run circles around Mike (the younger generations) when doing any kind of work. I also have a very high tollerance for pain, but sometimes the old body injuries creep up on you, with just a minor faulty twist, and wham_you have to work out the kink. I prefer to work it out myself, rather than have a doctor work it out for me. If we know our bodies, we can keep them healthy. I have never been one to go to a doctor, and never even missed a minute of school for a dentists appointment. The dentist would open up early so I wouldn't miss out on any school. His secretary yelled at me one time, when I was scheduling an appointment. The dentist overheard her, and came out to scold HER, and told her to give me whatever time I wanted :o) When I worked in the office, I had so many sick days accumulated from not missing work, that I could take a half year on sick pay before going on short-term disability if anything would have happened Of course, I received nothing of that, when I stopped working, after getting married and moving away from my hometown. No, what would help my case is if manufacturers, and people would knock it off with the scent factor, and changing products all the time, with modern day processing methods. Wait and see_one day they will all of a sudden_after billions and billions of dollars of research (as they are starting to do now with cosmetics) discover that the 1,500 poisonous chemicals used in our everyday products really are the problems causing cancer, the rise in childhood asthma, severe migraines, and many other medical mysteries, and situations. Hope it is in my lifetime, so I can look folks in the eyes and just give 'em a little wink :o) LOL!!!!!! Oh, and yes, I had been to a chiropracter once in my lifetime, and he said I was a strong person, and very well put together. I know, I know_years can take that away, and probably have taken it away_but, if I can stay away from doctors, too, I'm better off. Sorry, if anyone is a doctor out there. Have a GREAT day!!! Hugs! :o) Lynn Trish wrote: > The benefit to chiropractic care is the release of the nerve impingements > we > all get > from every day living. I lived for years with an impingement that caused > my > breathing to be > more labored and my immune system to be compromised---which made the > asthma > I have > much worse. This eval is not from a chiropractor, but my pulmonologist who > did > not believe in chiropractic care. Similarly, it has been explained to me > that acupuncture can > do similar things for the system. I don't pretend to understand it all, I > have just seen the results > from regular work---on myself (chiropractic care) and others using both. > > I suggest it because I have seen people's lives affected, such as Lynn's, > to > the point where living > is difficult, or surgery and meds seem the only option and yet given a try > at something a little > less orthodox than traditional medicine, relieves symptoms and is worth a > try. > > I do have asthma triggered by various causes---cold weather, scents, mold > etc. It isn't fixed, but it > is much better and I have not had an attack bad enough to put me in > hospital > in over a decade. > > As to things not being alleviated except psychologically---most of us did > not start out > with asthma, and obviously, many have gotten worse as we age---does that > mean our > genes have "gotten worse" over the years? It suggests to me that whatever > we're doing in life > is contributing and compounding over time. Consistently slouching can > cause > a curvature of the > spine, that can continue to worsen if left as is. A straightening the > spine > can reverse that damage, > with some work over time---such as the treatment for scoliosis of bracing. > Chiropractic care can do similar > things over time. > > Interestingly, other than chiropractic care, regular checkups and having > asthma meds available > should I have an attack, I do not spend any money on any other medical > visits. I don't consider it a > waste---considering I and the insurance company don't spend any other > money > for other treatments. > I actually received a letter from the insurance company commending me for > utilizing chiropractic care > and decreasing their expenditure, lowering our premiums. > > Like I said, before I had a major back issue and was given really no other > option but expensive, debilitating > surgery and facing a life in a wheelchair even WITH the surgery---I too > was > a skeptic. I did not consider anything > other than traditional medicine until a friend suggested I see his > chiropractor. When it go bad enough I could > hardly breathe, I went. Disturbing that without trying it, you're > considering it a waste. Tell that to my gym mates > who see me on the treadmill 5 mornings a week and lifting weights. > > I'm not suggesting chiropractic care or acupuncture can relieve all > symptoms > of all things. Merely suggesting > that giving it a try when life is obviously SO affected every single day > that one cannot go out shopping more than > now and again---were I in that situation, I would want to find a solution > to > improve my life. If my suggestion helps someone > to try something that improves their life---then I'm all for it. I hate to > see people suffer if there is potentially another option. > > I'm not here to argue---just trying to help. > > T

That is wonderful !!!!!!!! How neat is that! Congratulations on your GREAT find! Hugs!!!!! Lynn Mary wrote: > Hi, list. > > Sally and I have been talking off line. We just discovered that we are, > indeed, cousins. Our lineage goes back to two > brothers, Johannes and Ludwig, who were sons of Johann Ludwig > SEAMAN/SAEMANN. Isn't that exciting? Now Lynn > and Rick won't be the only cousins on the list. LOL. > > Hugs to all,