To Carolyn Ledger/Inquirer WILLIAM V. BLACK On November 24, 1883 William V. Black in the 88th year of his age. Relatives and Friends are respectively invited to attend the Funeral, this morning, leaving the house at 11:00, from the residence of his son, H. B. Black, Chester, Pa., to proceed to Maple Presbyterian Burial Ground. Kathy

Uh....yes! I don't have the details, but I remember -- in the course of researching my Maris ancestors -- learning that Roger was a cousin. All of the lines go back to George and Alice Maris, one of many Quaker settlers who came in the Penn years. Mark -------------- Original message from Al Lenkner <alenkner@stargate.net>: -------------- > Mark, > > Any relation to Roger Maris? > > Al > > > > At 04:24 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: > >Trust me, there are tons of old farmhouses around. Many have been > >demolished, but many, many remain. (Things last when you build with > >stone.) Anyone with deep roots in Delaware County (i.e., several > >families who were here over multiple generations) will find that > >there are many things to see. > > > >Finding them is work, though. Since the county has no historical > >society worthy of the name, researchers have to spend their time in > >township societies whose collections and organization vary in > >quality. And their hours are skimpy. I didn't know that one of my > >Maris ancestor's house still stood in the middle of a modern > >development in Upper Darby until I came across an old newsclipping > >about it in the files at the Springfield Township Historical Society. > > > >The stuff is there. > > > >Mark > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, A (one) John Neild (there may have been another in Bucks Co at the same time) supposedly bought 250 acres 10 Dec 1682, although he didn't immigrate until 1583. After serving an indenture of 5 years, the following year he was appointed the first constable of Aston Township, Aston previously was known as Northley. In 1695, he married the widow of a Quaker named John Dutton which annoyed the MM that she had belonged to. Evidently John Dutton had accumulated a lot of property because sometime in the early 1700s, he and the missus were giving 200+ acres to each of John's sons. My guess is that these were when the boys became of age. John was still alive in 1715 when he was found on the taxable list for Aston as were 2 of John Dutton's sons, John Jr and Thomas. I have a death date for John as 1747 and 2 sources but I think they may be wrong. The date cited was 1747 which would have made him 83. I think that, once the problem or question about the 2 John Neilds is settled, his death is probably closed to 1720. While he lived all of his life from the date of immigration in 1683 until at least 1720, he lived in Aston but whether it was in the same house is unknown. Unfortunately I believe that John died intestate so I don't know how much wealth he accumulated. However, if had had become the proprietor of John Dutton's property and gave away, IIRC, over 800 acres, he wasn't in a poor house and probably had a fine, solid stone house. Whether it exists today I don't know. Probably the most important piece of info that I can furnish you is that his first tract of land is supposed to be the present site of Rockdale which I understand to be a section of Aston Twp. Not knowing the borders of either I can't make an educated guess. Looking at a map, however, makes me wonder why Rockdale was even named. Thank you......... in advance, for all that you may find. Al At 10:38 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >Dear Al and listers: > > While the original Neeld house does not stand (was in the floodplain of >Chester Creek and washed away early in the 18th century), many of the Dutton >family sites do. A number on now part of the Neumann College/St. Francis >Convent complex. > > I've spent 38 years of my life on the same quest, Al, and have the BIG >advantage on living in Delaware County, so let me know who/what >you're looking >for and I'll try to help. Am going in for my 3rd chemo sessions, though, so >have limited time. I do know the area and can perhaps refer you. > > 3 17th century farmhouses still stand in Aston, so there's more around >than one might think. > > Thy friend, Nancy Webster

Mark, Any relation to Roger Maris? Al At 04:24 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >Trust me, there are tons of old farmhouses around. Many have been >demolished, but many, many remain. (Things last when you build with >stone.) Anyone with deep roots in Delaware County (i.e., several >families who were here over multiple generations) will find that >there are many things to see. > >Finding them is work, though. Since the county has no historical >society worthy of the name, researchers have to spend their time in >township societies whose collections and organization vary in >quality. And their hours are skimpy. I didn't know that one of my >Maris ancestor's house still stood in the middle of a modern >development in Upper Darby until I came across an old newsclipping >about it in the files at the Springfield Township Historical Society. > >The stuff is there. > >Mark

You're in my thoughts and prayers! I didn't know about the chemo. How did we get this old and decrepit? ;->! Valerie SHS '64 Websternv@aol.com wrote: >Dear Al and listers: > > While the original Neeld house does not stand (was in the floodplain of >Chester Creek and washed away early in the 18th century), many of the Dutton >family sites do. A number on now part of the Neumann College/St. Francis >Convent complex. > > I've spent 38 years of my life on the same quest, Al, and have the BIG >advantage on living in Delaware County, so let me know who/what you're looking >for and I'll try to help. Am going in for my 3rd chemo sessions, though, so >have limited time. I do know the area and can perhaps refer you. > > 3 17th century farmhouses still stand in Aston, so there's more around >than one might think. > > Thy friend, Nancy Webster > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear Judy and listers: Thanks for prodding me on this - I've been a bit out of date as most of my time has been spent in hospitals the last 2 years. GOOD NEWS! Before, it was very difficult to get access to the West Jersey Proprietors records - you had to know and get written permission from a direct patrilineal descendant. Below is a URL giving information on the current access, hours, etc., as they entire archives (including many EARLY maps) were moved to the NJ State Archives in late 2005. Nothing on line yet, but much more accessible. I hope the state has plans. http://www.nj.gov/state/darm/links/wjp.html >From 1676 until 2005, the records were kept in the Surveyor General's Office on Broad Street, Burlington. That city has made heroic efforts to preserve and publish its past, and you can take a fun virtual walking tour of this fascinating early town at http://www.tourburlington.org/SeeSitesTxt.html As you know, Judy, I am also a descendant of Robert Eyre, so anything you find I'd love to know about. And vice versa, of course. Happy hunting! Thy friend, Nancy Webster

Dear Al and listers: While the original Neeld house does not stand (was in the floodplain of Chester Creek and washed away early in the 18th century), many of the Dutton family sites do. A number on now part of the Neumann College/St. Francis Convent complex. I've spent 38 years of my life on the same quest, Al, and have the BIG advantage on living in Delaware County, so let me know who/what you're looking for and I'll try to help. Am going in for my 3rd chemo sessions, though, so have limited time. I do know the area and can perhaps refer you. 3 17th century farmhouses still stand in Aston, so there's more around than one might think. Thy friend, Nancy Webster

Roger Pedrick (1645-1692) was one of mine. He came with Fenwick in 1675. There's a little crossroads called Pedricktown across the Delaware from the Philadelphia International Airport. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olga Brigham" <brigham5@msn.com> To: <padelawa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [PADELAWA] [PACHESTE] Chester Co. Inhabitants from 'Jersey'in1680's? > Give us some names and dates please. Olga > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Susan J Avery<mailto:susan.avery@juno.com> > To: CGarr34@aol.com<mailto:CGarr34@aol.com> > Cc: padelawa-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:padelawa-L@rootsweb.com> ; PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: [PADELAWA] [PACHESTE] Chester Co. Inhabitants from 'Jersey' in1680's? > > > I know that there were English settlers in what was then West Jersey > around the area that became Burlington Co. just on the other side of the > river from Chester Co. PA as early as 1684 when one of my ancestors > settled there. These settlers bought their land from the West Jersey > Proprietors while still in England and then came over to claim their > land. My ancestor bought his in 1682 and came over in 1684. Some of > these folks may have eventually crossed the river to settle in PA. > However, I had Dutch ancestors who came to the Delaware River area and > settled in what became Chester Co. PA as well as in New Jersey as early > as 1641.... and I had Swedish ancestors who also came to the Gloucester > Co. area of NJ much earlier than even Wm Penn.s settlements around the > same time period of 1640s. In fact it was the Swedes who showed Wm. Penn > how to build a log cabin which was a Swedish structure. > > Susan Avery > > On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:14:46 EST CGarr34@aol.com<mailto:CGarr34@aol.com> writes: > > Can anyone offer any insight in my question regarding early (1680's) > > > > inhabitants of Chester Co. Pa... > > > > While browsing my Delaware Co. CD, I become aware that along with > > the > > English that came at the same time as Wm Penn, some other early > > English came over > > from the Jersey side of the Delaware River to inhabit Chester Co. > > My question > > is: what were they doing over there? Did they come with the Dutch? > > How early > > did they go there? Any comments? > > > > Thanks > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PACHESTE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:PACHESTE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Trust me, there are tons of old farmhouses around. Many have been demolished, but many, many remain. (Things last when you build with stone.) Anyone with deep roots in Delaware County (i.e., several families who were here over multiple generations) will find that there are many things to see. Finding them is work, though. Since the county has no historical society worthy of the name, researchers have to spend their time in township societies whose collections and organization vary in quality. And their hours are skimpy. I didn't know that one of my Maris ancestor's house still stood in the middle of a modern development in Upper Darby until I came across an old newsclipping about it in the files at the Springfield Township Historical Society. The stuff is there. Mark > What I was trying to convey, evidently poorly, is that any of the old > farm houses could still be extant even today.

Hey, I get lost in my driveway! In a message dated 1/24/2007 5:06:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wfstephens@earthlink.net writes: Lost IN Gradyville?

There's a Neeld house in Middletown Township (just above Aston Township) at 218 Pennell Road. (still standing) circa 1818 to 1823 from tax and deed research. Robert Neeld bought 1+ acre and a house in 1849 from Emmor Elton who bought it from Robert Pennell in 1846 Information supplied by Pam Harper from the Middletown Twp Historical Society. She will mail copies of information if you want it. She believes there is an older house that was/is in Aston and Robert Neeld is a descendant. ctemplin4@craftech.com Love from me, ct AKA: Chris, Chrissie, Teenie, Aunt Teenie, Teen, Meema, Meem, whatever . . . -----Original Message----- From: padelawa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padelawa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Lenkner Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:06 PM To: padelawa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PADELAWA] Genealogical/Personal Memoirs - Cope/Ashmead Karen, When the first Neeld appeared, there was no such entity as Delaware County, hence Aston was in Chester Co and so I shall contact them. What I was trying to convey, evidently poorly, is that any of the old farm houses could still be extant even today. Whether any photos of the houses that I'm interested in have ever been taken or have lasted this long is another matter. Thanks for responding so quickly. Al At 03:07 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >Al, > >Photography has only been around since 1839, so any photos in /Historic >homes and institutions and genealogical and personal memoirs of Chester >and Delaware Counties, Pennsylvania/ would be after that date. You may >want to contact the Chester County Historical Society. They have an >extensive photograph collection and do snail mail and email request >searches. > >Karen > >Al Lenkner wrote: > > Karen, > > > > Re: Historic Homes book, how far back do the photos go? I'm > > interested in the Neeld residences of pre-photography times but you > > never know how long the houses survived. > > > > Al ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suggest doing a bit of reading on the history of New Jersey. It came under English control 20 (or so) years before Penn got Pennsylvania. West Jersey was a private venture in which many Quakers were involved. I had several ancestors in Fenwick's Colony (ca. 1675) on the site of current-day Salem, N.J. Mark -------------- Original message from CGarr34@aol.com: -------------- > Can anyone offer any insight in my question regarding early (1680's) > inhabitants of Chester Co. Pa... > > While browsing my Delaware Co. CD, I become aware that along with the > English that came at the same time as Wm Penn, some other early English came > over > from the Jersey side of the Delaware River to inhabit Chester Co. My question > is: what were they doing over there? Did they come with the Dutch? How early > did they go there? Any comments? > > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Lost IN Gradyville? Woody Stephens ----- Original Message ----- From: <VETTE4NANCEE02@aol.com> To: <padelawa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [PADELAWA] Genealogical/Personal Memoirs - Cope/Ashmead > There are many wonderful old homes still standing in the area, last spring > I > went to visit the area and purchased a few books on Concord and Edgemont > areas and I was able to track down a few of the homes of my ancesters > from > pictures in the books and descriptions of where they were. > > One day my daughter and I were on our way to the mall and became lost in > Gradyville, when I turned around I spotted a antique store and couldn't > resist. > This old couple owned the store and I asked them if they knew where > Howellville was and he said Gradyville used to be Howellville then changed > to > Gradyville about 1890. So I told him my GGGrandfather owned a place, > 1880-1888, > called the Howellville Hotel and did he know where it was. He said look > out the > window it is that building across the street. It is a beautiful old stone > building, exactly as described in the books, which is now a private > residence. > > Nancee, Ca. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Give us some names and dates please. Olga ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan J Avery<mailto:susan.avery@juno.com> To: CGarr34@aol.com<mailto:CGarr34@aol.com> Cc: padelawa-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:padelawa-L@rootsweb.com> ; PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [PADELAWA] [PACHESTE] Chester Co. Inhabitants from 'Jersey' in1680's? I know that there were English settlers in what was then West Jersey around the area that became Burlington Co. just on the other side of the river from Chester Co. PA as early as 1684 when one of my ancestors settled there. These settlers bought their land from the West Jersey Proprietors while still in England and then came over to claim their land. My ancestor bought his in 1682 and came over in 1684. Some of these folks may have eventually crossed the river to settle in PA. However, I had Dutch ancestors who came to the Delaware River area and settled in what became Chester Co. PA as well as in New Jersey as early as 1641.... and I had Swedish ancestors who also came to the Gloucester Co. area of NJ much earlier than even Wm Penn.s settlements around the same time period of 1640s. In fact it was the Swedes who showed Wm. Penn how to build a log cabin which was a Swedish structure. Susan Avery On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:14:46 EST CGarr34@aol.com<mailto:CGarr34@aol.com> writes: > Can anyone offer any insight in my question regarding early (1680's) > > inhabitants of Chester Co. Pa... > > While browsing my Delaware Co. CD, I become aware that along with > the > English that came at the same time as Wm Penn, some other early > English came over > from the Jersey side of the Delaware River to inhabit Chester Co. > My question > is: what were they doing over there? Did they come with the Dutch? > How early > did they go there? Any comments? > > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACHESTE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:PACHESTE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:PADELAWA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would agree with Mark that they were probably from Fenwick's Colony. However, also check the history of the New Sweden Colony. A smattering of English settlers were living with the Swedes & Dutch before *both* Fenwick and Penn. See, for example, "1671 Census of the Delaware", by Peter Stebbins Craig, 1999 and "The 1693 Census of the Swedes on the Delaware", also by Peter Stebbins Craig, 1993. Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net -----Original Message----- From: padelawa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:padelawa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mark.dixon@att.net Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:24 PM To: padelawa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PADELAWA] Chester Co. Inhabitants from 'Jersey' in 1680's? I suggest doing a bit of reading on the history of New Jersey. It came under English control 20 (or so) years before Penn got Pennsylvania. West Jersey was a private venture in which many Quakers were involved. I had several ancestors in Fenwick's Colony (ca. 1675) on the site of current-day Salem, N.J. Mark -------------- Original message from CGarr34@aol.com: -------------- > Can anyone offer any insight in my question regarding early (1680's) > inhabitants of Chester Co. Pa... > > While browsing my Delaware Co. CD, I become aware that along with the > English that came at the same time as Wm Penn, some other early English came > over > from the Jersey side of the Delaware River to inhabit Chester Co. My question > is: what were they doing over there? Did they come with the Dutch? How early > did they go there? Any comments? > > Thanks -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 7:30 AM

There are many wonderful old homes still standing in the area, last spring I went to visit the area and purchased a few books on Concord and Edgemont areas and I was able to track down a few of the homes of my ancesters from pictures in the books and descriptions of where they were. One day my daughter and I were on our way to the mall and became lost in Gradyville, when I turned around I spotted a antique store and couldn't resist. This old couple owned the store and I asked them if they knew where Howellville was and he said Gradyville used to be Howellville then changed to Gradyville about 1890. So I told him my GGGrandfather owned a place, 1880-1888, called the Howellville Hotel and did he know where it was. He said look out the window it is that building across the street. It is a beautiful old stone building, exactly as described in the books, which is now a private residence. Nancee, Ca.

Nancy, is there a way to access the records of the West Jersey Proprietors online? via LDS microfilms? Where in Burlington are they available? It has long been said, w/o documentation, that Robert EYRE settled first in New Jersey prior to his settling in Bethel twp, c 1682. Judy

And, as you say, Mark Dixon, some of the stuff (old stone houses) have been torn down--for instance, by Sun Oil Co., because they picked up a deed on such a house--a very old family home of my mother's line. There was always a picture of it on our wall in our home and it was a familiar sight during my childhood. Later, my mother tried to show it to me in the 1970's while visiting Pa. (We are a transplanted western family.) I can still see her standing in the middle of the road with tears coursing down her face because it was gone--not a rock or stone left. Too bad someone didn't start trying to preserve these homes some years earlier. It was a beautiful old place! I'm sure many others have been saddened by this same course of action! June at _twoeddins@aol.com_ (mailto:twoeddins@aol.com) .

Karen, When the first Neeld appeared, there was no such entity as Delaware County, hence Aston was in Chester Co and so I shall contact them. What I was trying to convey, evidently poorly, is that any of the old farm houses could still be extant even today. Whether any photos of the houses that I'm interested in have ever been taken or have lasted this long is another matter. Thanks for responding so quickly. Al At 03:07 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >Al, > >Photography has only been around since 1839, so any photos in /Historic >homes and institutions and genealogical and personal memoirs of Chester >and Delaware Counties, Pennsylvania/ would be after that date. You may >want to contact the Chester County Historical Society. They have an >extensive photograph collection and do snail mail and email request >searches. > >Karen > >Al Lenkner wrote: > > Karen, > > > > Re: Historic Homes book, how far back do the photos go? I'm > > interested in the Neeld residences of pre-photography times but you > > never know how long the houses survived. > > > > Al

In brief, PA was the next to the last colony officially founded (only Georgia is younger), and therefore a number of people were legally living on both sides of the Delaware River long before William Penn and the "Welcome fleet" arrived - Dutch, Swedish and British, not to mention Native American tribes. The river served as the central backbone, not the edge of settlement. Today's New Jersey was originally two for-profit private business ventures known as East Jersey and West Jersey, which like Jamestown, tried to attract settlers to help promote development and profit. Starting in 1675, a number of Friends immigrated from the UK to West Jersey, settling in Fenwick's Colony, Salem and Burlington, NJ. The records of the West Jersey Proprietors, most of whom were Quakers, are still preserved in the Corporation's original office in Burlington, NJ. These give a detailed view of the people, settlement, commerce, etc., of the early colony. As Mark says, much interesting history here. One thing modern people forget is that is that it was MUCH easier to travel up and down, and across the Delaware, than inland. So, a number of West Jersey Friends found their way over to the PA side and were here to greet Penn and his immigrants. Most people with early PA ancestors will find they also have Jersey connections. The PA - Jersey travel and trade started under the Swedes and Dutch (1624 on) and continued right up until the 1950s, when my relatives still followed a multigenerational pattern of regular visiting across the river, and swapping cranberries for apples, chestnuts for oysters, etc. We use powerboats instead of sailing sloops, as our ancestors did. Only with federal limited access highways and modern bridges do people think interstate travel is new. NOT! Thy friend, Nancy Webster, Curator Friends Historical Association