Hi, the records I have are the baptisms, communicants and some early deaths etc. which includes, Luther jr. it does spell Anna,s name as MEYER, which does change to Moyer at times as I find both spellings, going back and forth. his cause of death, was schupfen fieber. have a good one, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Bretz" <jbretz1@earthlink.net> To: <padauphi@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Lykens Valley Lower Reformed Church (David'sReformed) > Thanks Bill. Where did you get the records? > > I don't know if I realized it or not but you say Jr was born in Upper > Paxton > in 1775 which would help place the time they moved up from near Lancaster. > And I don't know that I realized he was buried at the church - which means > there are at least two stones I need to try to locate. Oh and by the way, > I > believe it was Anna Moyer he married - don't know if you made a type or > the > records did. > > Joan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dietrich" <dietrichpa@wtvaccess.com> > To: <padauphi@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Lykens Valley Lower Reformed Church > (David'sReformed) > > >> Joan, I have some of St Davids records, also Salem, near there as well, >> your >> Bretz,s went to both, have baptims etc. 1775 for a Daniel in st Davids >> but >> have some for Ludwig and Anna Bretz, 1788 to 1811. also found where >> Ludwig >> jr.son of Ludwig and Susanna Bretz, born in upper paxton twp. 11/1/1775 >> died >> 1/17/1828, buried at davids. he was married to Anna Mayer, 6 children, 4 >> boys and 2 daughters. Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joan Bretz" <jbretz1@earthlink.net> >> To: <padauphi@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Lykens Valley Lower Reformed Church >> (David'sReformed) >> >> >>> To tell you the truth, I'm not sure that a visit would provide a lot of >>> help. The current church is a large brick one (if I remember >>> correctly). >>> The church does have an office with staff though I'm not sure of the >>> hours - >>> you may have to make a phone call. There is a newer portion and an >>> older >>> portion to the cemetery. Let's say you are facing the church and >>> cemetery >>> from the road (since I'm not sure of the directions there) - the old >>> cemetery would be to your far right and the current church to your left. >>> I >>> believe that the old church was to the right beyond the cemetery near a >>> stream; I was there during growing time so couldn't see much beyond the >>> trees. Many years ago my dad and I visited the church - we were >>> fortunate >>> that the caretaker was there that day and apparently was the son of the >>> previous caretaker. I guess like many old cemeteries, that one had >>> fallen >>> on hard times - they had taken all the stones out in order to clear out >>> the >>> brambles et al, then set the remaining stones back in - which would >>> explain >>> why the remaining stones are set in pretty straight lines. It is not a >>> large cemetery; you could walk the entire cemetery in maybe 15 minutes >>> if >>> you were pausing to look at all the stones in both older and newer >>> sections. >>> The old portion alone might take about 5 minutes. >>> >>> Why my interest? My 4th ggrandfather is supposed to have been buried >>> there. >>> There are church records available - I can't remember if I looked >>> through >>> them at the PA State Library in printed version or if I looked through >>> them >>> on microfilm version. Since my notes are hand written, I probably used >>> microfilm . You might get them through a Mormon library or via >>> interlibrary >>> loan or through the Evangelical Church Historical Society in Lancaster. >>> I >>> know I did not view them at the church though they may have a copy >>> there. >>> My Ludwig Bretz is supposed to have died in 1807 and been buried there >>> (according to a family history published in 1890 when some of the >>> grandchildren would still have been living). Unfortunately, there were >>> no >>> records for a 10-15 year period of time around 1807, although I found >>> him >>> and his children attending church prior to that date so I know he was >>> affiliated with it - in fact, his land was right across the road from >>> the >>> church. I found nothing that remotely looked like his headstone. Other >>> than church records, I don't know that they have any burial records; >>> when >>> I >>> was there last during business hours, I did not have time to stop in for >>> any >>> research as I was showing an out of town cousin where his ancestors had >>> lived and were buried. >>> >>> I need to go up to the church for a visit as I would like to place a >>> marker >>> to mark his resting place and in honor of his Rev War service (in Capt >>> Weaver's company from my prior message today - see Barbara, I continue >>> to >>> make progress on emptying my inbox!). Also if your ancestor died in the >>> early days, remember that his stone might have been in German script, >>> using >>> the old red sandstone and by now be buried deep under the dirt or broken >>> into many pieces. >>> >>> Andy, I live in Harrisburg at the north end of the city (off Route 39 if >>> you >>> look at an atlas) and as I recall it would take at least half an hour to >>> get >>> to the cemetery which is near Millersburg on the western edge of Dauphin >>> County. I live perhaps 15-20 minutes from the PA Turnpike that is near >>> I83 >>> where it joins I283 on the east shore. So you would probably need to >>> allow >>> a minimum of 45-60 minutes to get up there - it is not via any major >>> roads. >>> I'd have to check my atlas to get the specific directions. And if you >>> are >>> near Millersburg, keep in mind that they have a working ferry boat >>> across >>> the river - you might want to take a ride across and back. There is an >>> historical society in Millersburg - I've never visited it but I think it >>> may >>> be worth a trip though I don't know their hours; one can never tell what >>> records they might have. If you are looking for a more recent burial >>> record >>> at the cemetery, they may have them at the church. >>> >>> There are several Lutheran churches in that area and I suspect that >>> there >>> might have been a circuit riding preacher who visited several of them. >>> I >>> have looked in the cemetery at Salem (I think) to no avail. >>> >>> Andy, have you checked the internet for the phone number? The church is >>> not >>> located in a town, it is on the open road across from farmlands so a >>> street >>> address will do little good; the area is called Killinger. Again as I >>> recall, the church is about 5-10 miles out from Millersburg - the road >>> turns >>> off from in town and is a bit tricky to spot. If you want directions for >>> a >>> July trip, let me know and I can be more precise. >>> >>> Hope this helps with your trip planning. >>> >>> Joan Bretz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Andy Andrelczyk" <czyk25@comcast.net> >>> To: <padauphi@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Lykens Valley Lower Reformed Church >>> (David'sReformed) >>> >>> >>>> Hi Joan, >>>> >>>> No, I didn't receive any answers to my questions. I'm going to Philly >>>> in >>>> July and would like to visit the cemetery if it is still there. Any >>>> help >>>> would be appreciated. >>>> Thank. >>>> Andy >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PADAUPHI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PADAUPHI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PADAUPHI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >