Marsha: You are welcome to use EVERYTHING on my web pages you are interested in. In fact, get the source codes, edit them to your satisfaction, and place them on your web site if you care to. Make sure you also get the photos which, I believe, say a lot more than the text! Charlie Fies P.S: I had previously checked out the KENDIG and KING names (King being a derivative of Kendig) in the Kierch graveyard, and both names appear. grberry@uswest.net wrote: > > Charles: > > Thank you, thank you for the photos of the Obelisks of Hannah Louisa > Crabb Lauman and her son Simon Cameron Lauman on your Kierch site. I > can see them beautifully. What a wonderful sight to see! An answer to > our prayers! And you even have the Plot Numbers, Plot Number 122 for > Hannah Louisa Crabb Lauman and Plot Number 121 for her son Simon Cameron > Lauman. > > Question: Do you have the Plots of the old St. Peter's Cemetery or Sant > Peter's Kierch Cemetery in Middletown available that you could send me a > copy by land mail? I hope you do. How much do I owe you for a copy? > > Now it is all solved and the words in our Horace Gates Crabb Crabb > Family Bible make sense. William Augustus Crabb and 2nd wife Elizabeth > Kendig Crabb Family Bible had their daughter Hannah Louisa Crabb born > 1810 in Middletown, Pennsylvania and died 7 Dec 1846 in Middletown, > Pennsylvania and buried in Middletown, Pennsylvania, which their son > Horatio Nelson Crabb copied by hand into his Bible. > > But, when a certain person in the family descending from William > Augustus Crabb and 1st wife Jane Minshall sent word to Horace Gates > Crabb that Hannah Louisa Crabb Lauman was buried in the old Presbyterian > Graveyard, there was the confusion for Horatio Nelson Crabb and Rebecca > Ord Karrick's son Horace Gates Crabb (1830-1903) who had gone to > Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii to live and had no way of proving this one way or > the other being so far from Pennsylvania. So Horace Gates Crabb > recorded the Family Records, Deaths three ways: > 1. old Presbyterian Graveyard in Middletown, Pennsylvania > 2. St. Peter's Lutheran Church Cemetery in Middletown, Pennsylvania > 3. Some other cemetery somewhere else beside her husband (He did this to > keep all members of the family happy. Of course this one is the less > feaseable because Hannah died so young at 37 years of age.) > > Of course, you know that the Horace Gates Crabb Crabb Bible pages has > that Simon Cameron Lauman was born 1838 in Middletown and died 2 Sep > 1840 and is buried in the old St. Peter's Lutheran Church graveyard or > Sant Peter's Kierch Cemetery, so he has not been a problem. > > Thank you again. And, I did not see the photos on the Kierch site until > you made it possible. The photos you told me about were the photos of > the old Presbyterian Graveyard which I have now and have put on my > private web site. > > Charles, I have a big favor to ask of you. Could you please send me > copies of the photos of the Obelisk of Hannah Louisa Crabb and the > Obelisk of her son Simon Cameron Lauman by land mail. I would be glad > to reimburse you. > > Please send the photos (and Kierch Cemetery Plots) by land mail to: > > Marsha Berry > 701 S. Dobson Road, Lot # 28 > Mesa, AZ 85202 > > Thank you. I appreciate you and Grace. And, now I can announce this to > my many many cousins who have long waited for this to be solved. I do > have a private web site that I plan to announce the news on and I would > like to brag about you and Grace. Do I have your permission to do so > and share what you have? > > And, by the way, my cousin Gordon Crabb and I and some other cousins > still would like to come to Middletown. Gordon Crabb can make it there > the easiest as he is the closest. > > By the way, I did download your picture Charles and you resemble my > vocal music instructor, Dr. LeGrand Maxwell, who I admired so very much > while in college. Is there a photo of Grace? > > Sincerely, > Marsha Berry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Crabb tombstone > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:38:06 -0500 > From: "Charles E. Fies, Retired" <chasfies@worldnet.att.net> > To: grberry@uswest.net > CC: "Grace DeHart" <GGD714@aol.com> > References: <3A6F7453.9B22E8CB@uswest.net> > > grberry@uswest.net wrote: > > > > Hello Grace DeHart: > > > > With much respect to you and your hard research, I too have the same > > records of the old Middletown cemeteries as well as the St. Peter's > > Lutheran Church Cemetery in my possession for many years dating back > > to the early 1990's. > > > (snip, snip) > > > > This is why I have stated to Mr. Fies according to my Crabb Family > > Bible record, Hannah Louisa Crabb Lauman is buried in the old > > Presbyterian Cemetery and/or is in the cemetery beside her husband, > > because her tombstone may have been reported in a history book to > > stand in the St. Peter's Lutheran Church Cemetery, but...I have found > > Egle and other genealogy history books to be incorrect. > > > > I need to recheck information about Hannah Louisa Crabb Lauman's > > burial place with the Lauman, Hiester and Keim families. > > Marsha: > > I may not have made it very clear that I photographed the Obelisk of H. > LOUISA CRABB and her son's, SIMON CAMERON LAUMAN, in the Sant Peter's > Lutheran Kierch graveyard, copies of which you can see at the following: > > Kierch - <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Kierch.html> > > The records searched indicated that H. LOUISA LAUMAN was buried there > but, of course, there was no marker found bearing that name. Her Obelisk > (see photo) was engraved H. LOUISA CRABB. > > Please let me know if you can not see H. LOUISA CRABB's Obelisk > standing in the Sant Peter's Lutheran Kierch cemetery. Sometimes people > can not view various pages from time to time, and upon checking they > always work for me. Right now the Sant Peter's Lutheran Kierch > graveyard at: > > Kierch - <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Kierch.html> > > is working pretty good. > -- Regards, with regrets to Netscape6 users (what a mess!) CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>