Is any of these church records on-line? Thanks, Elida in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linnea Travis Miller" <ltmiller@ptd.net> To: <PADAUPHI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 5:38 AM Subject: [PADAUPHI] Re: [PALEBANO] Hill Church > To add to Karl's response for Hal: > > The connecting road between Rte 422 & Hill Church Rd is Mill St on the west > side of Cleona, Kebanon county. Hill Lutheran is along that road almost to > the top of the hill; the Hill Reformed is at the top of the hill on Hill > Church Rd. The cemetery [joint] is located by the Hill Lutheran church. > There is a second cemetery located on North Mill St - I believe this is > connected with Fairland Brethren in Christ Church down the hill on 422? > > You also mentioned about Derry Church, just north of Hershey. There is a > very old Presbyterian church located there with a small adjoining > graveyard. The interments are listed on-line. I believe you can find them > in the Dauphin county GenWeb archives - they may be on the Lebanon co > Genweb homepage as well [I forget.] The St. Paul's Lutheran church between > Hummelstown/Hershey is a different one than the Derry Pres. Church. > > -Linnea > > At 8:05 PM -0500 1/6/01, Karl Moyer wrote: > >Dear Hal, > > > >(big snip) > >> In the meantime following your description of the existing Hill Church, > >> I found Hill Church Road running E-W for about a mile or so - parallel > >> to US 422, NW of Lebanon as you said. Is Hill Church on that road? > > Sorta!! If you get there, confusion is easy!! The old Hill Church was > >a "union church" and that in the very early years of the past century the > >Reformed congregation erected a new, English gothic-style > >building at the crest of the hill, right along Hill Church Road. It would > >be easy to assume that that is the place you seek. Not so. > > > > The old Hill Church is slightly down the hill (thus, toward the south) > >from Hill Reformed (now U.C.C.), and the road down to old Hill Church and to > >the cemetery is almost across the street from the 1903 Hill Reformed Church > >building. The cemetery is easily seen from Hill Church Road, and depending > >on where you are, you can see the old church, too. > > > > The church and cemetery are well cared for. > > > > Cordially, > > > > Karl > > At 7:58 PM -0500 1/6/01, Karl Moyer wrote: > >This is the source of never-ending confusion. > >> I have a reference from Engle's Notes and Queries which refers to Hill > >> Lutheran Church in Derry Township, Dauphin County. Jacob Mater is > >> Baptizing his son, John, on July 4, 1762. John was born July 1, 1762. > >> John Mater and wife were witnesses. > >> > >> Was there a Hill Lutheran Church in Derry Township at this time? If > >> so where was it located? If it is not still there is the cemetery still > >> there? And if so please give me an existing landmark so I can locate it > >> on a map. On a present day map I did find a Derry Church? > > > > The church remains as St. Paul Lutheran Church, Hill Church Road, > >HUMMELSTOWN PA 17336 (717) 533-3218 ( which is a Hershey number, not a > >Hummelstown number - the place is really closer to Hershey.) > > > > It's VERY old place, cemetery included. > > > > It is not to be confused with Hill Lutheran Church, one mile north of > >Cleona and NW of Lebanon in Lebanon Co Pa. > > > > Dr. Karl E. Moyer > > Lancaster PA > > > > > >==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode > >then e-mail PADAUPHI-L-request@rootsweb.com or > >PADAUPHI-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. > > > Linnea Travis Miller - Annville PA > ltmiller@ptd.net > Seeking in PA: BRUA, CASSEL, GRUMBINE, LONG, MILLER, STROH > Seeking in NY & New England: COLE, GRIFFIN, SEXTON, TRAVIS > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > List Ownwer Nadine Hensley for list help please e-mail me at > ndwilson@swbell.net >

Was your Martha CRAIN born a CRAIN? If so, do you know her parents or siblings? My CRAIN family moved from Dauphin Co. to Warren Co. OH, then to Fountain Co. IN and then to Van Buren Co IA which is two counties away from Burlington, IA, so there are some similarities. My line through 4 generations: 1.William Crain m. Jean _______ 2. son George Crain m. Jean Surgeon 3. son William Crain m. Mary Sawyer 4. dau. Nancy Crain m. William Johnston Rich > Subject: [PADAUPHI] Re: PADAUPHI-D Digest V01 #7 > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:41:04 EST > From: Sevensistersdk@aol.com > To: PADAUPHI-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi- I don't want be entirely forgotten so I am once again bringing up the > names of my relations from Dauphin Co. They are WM.CRAWFORD, RICHARD > CRAWFORD, MARTHA CRAIN(E) GEORGE CRAWFORD. RICHARD CRAWFORD m. a ? > GILCHRISTand lived in Hanover tsp, Dauphin Co. in the 1700s. Richard had a > son William who m. MARTHA CRAINE they had 2 sons, George Wm. and Richard. > Geo. m. According to a family bible,MARY PARKS and they moved to OH. and then > on to Burlington IA. He was a physician b. 1810 d.1892. Any help would be > great. They were m.1839 in Dicks Creek, OH. , which I can't find. > > ______________________________

To add to Karl's response for Hal: The connecting road between Rte 422 & Hill Church Rd is Mill St on the west side of Cleona, Kebanon county. Hill Lutheran is along that road almost to the top of the hill; the Hill Reformed is at the top of the hill on Hill Church Rd. The cemetery [joint] is located by the Hill Lutheran church. There is a second cemetery located on North Mill St - I believe this is connected with Fairland Brethren in Christ Church down the hill on 422? You also mentioned about Derry Church, just north of Hershey. There is a very old Presbyterian church located there with a small adjoining graveyard. The interments are listed on-line. I believe you can find them in the Dauphin county GenWeb archives - they may be on the Lebanon co Genweb homepage as well [I forget.] The St. Paul's Lutheran church between Hummelstown/Hershey is a different one than the Derry Pres. Church. -Linnea At 8:05 PM -0500 1/6/01, Karl Moyer wrote: >Dear Hal, > >(big snip) >> In the meantime following your description of the existing Hill Church, >> I found Hill Church Road running E-W for about a mile or so - parallel >> to US 422, NW of Lebanon as you said. Is Hill Church on that road? > Sorta!! If you get there, confusion is easy!! The old Hill Church was >a "union church" and that in the very early years of the past century the >Reformed congregation erected a new, English gothic-style >building at the crest of the hill, right along Hill Church Road. It would >be easy to assume that that is the place you seek. Not so. > > The old Hill Church is slightly down the hill (thus, toward the south) >from Hill Reformed (now U.C.C.), and the road down to old Hill Church and to >the cemetery is almost across the street from the 1903 Hill Reformed Church >building. The cemetery is easily seen from Hill Church Road, and depending >on where you are, you can see the old church, too. > > The church and cemetery are well cared for. > > Cordially, > > Karl At 7:58 PM -0500 1/6/01, Karl Moyer wrote: >This is the source of never-ending confusion. >> I have a reference from Engle's Notes and Queries which refers to Hill >> Lutheran Church in Derry Township, Dauphin County. Jacob Mater is >> Baptizing his son, John, on July 4, 1762. John was born July 1, 1762. >> John Mater and wife were witnesses. >> >> Was there a Hill Lutheran Church in Derry Township at this time? If >> so where was it located? If it is not still there is the cemetery still >> there? And if so please give me an existing landmark so I can locate it >> on a map. On a present day map I did find a Derry Church? > > The church remains as St. Paul Lutheran Church, Hill Church Road, >HUMMELSTOWN PA 17336 (717) 533-3218 ( which is a Hershey number, not a >Hummelstown number - the place is really closer to Hershey.) > > It's VERY old place, cemetery included. > > It is not to be confused with Hill Lutheran Church, one mile north of >Cleona and NW of Lebanon in Lebanon Co Pa. > > Dr. Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA > > >==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode >then e-mail PADAUPHI-L-request@rootsweb.com or >PADAUPHI-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. Linnea Travis Miller - Annville PA ltmiller@ptd.net Seeking in PA: BRUA, CASSEL, GRUMBINE, LONG, MILLER, STROH Seeking in NY & New England: COLE, GRIFFIN, SEXTON, TRAVIS

This is the source of never-ending confusion. > I have a reference from Engle's Notes and Queries which refers to Hill > Lutheran Church in Derry Township, Dauphin County. Jacob Mater is > Baptizing his son, John, on July 4, 1762. John was born July 1, 1762. > John Mater and wife were witnesses. > > Was there a Hill Lutheran Church in Derry Township at this time? If > so where was it located? If it is not still there is the cemetery still > there? And if so please give me an existing landmark so I can locate it > on a map. On a present day map I did find a Derry Church? The church remains as St. Paul Lutheran Church, Hill Church Road, HUMMELSTOWN PA 17336 (717) 533-3218 ( which is a Hershey number, not a Hummelstown number - the place is really closer to Hershey.) It's VERY old place, cemetery included. It is not to be confused with Hill Lutheran Church, one mile north of Cleona and NW of Lebanon in Lebanon Co Pa. Dr. Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA

Hi- I don't want be entirely forgotten so I am once again bringing up the names of my relations from Dauphin Co. They are WM.CRAWFORD, RICHARD CRAWFORD, MARTHA CRAIN(E) GEORGE CRAWFORD. RICHARD CRAWFORD m. a ? GILCHRISTand lived in Hanover tsp, Dauphin Co. in the 1700s. Richard had a son William who m. MARTHA CRAINE they had 2 sons, George Wm. and Richard. Geo. m. According to a family bible,MARY PARKS and they moved to OH. and then on to Burlington IA. He was a physician b. 1810 d.1892. Any help would be great. They were m.1839 in Dicks Creek, OH. , which I can't find.

I have a reference from Engle's Notes and Queries which refers to Hill Lutheran Church in Derry Township, Dauphin County. Jacob Mater is Baptizing his son, John, on July 4, 1762. John was born July 1, 1762. John Mater and wife were witnesses. Was there a Hill Lutheran Church in Derry Township at this time? If so where was it located? If it is not still there is the cemetery still there? And if so please give me an existing landmark so I can locate it on a map. On a present day map I did find a Derry Church? Much obliged to you - Hal

Hello: Announcing a date confirmation for the "Mother Cumberland-A Harvest of Memories" Reunion 2003. Date: July 18, 19, 20, 2003 Place: Shippensburg, Cumberland Co., PA For: Anyone with an ancestor who lived in the area that was Cumberland County, PA during the 1700's. This includes all counties who can trace their parentage to Cumberland County such as Franklin, Bedford, Perry, Indiana, Westmoreland, parts of Lancaster & York, and several other counties.PA- If interested in being put on the mailing list, please send an e-mail PRIVATELY to: dcuillard@aol.com and put Mother Cumberland Reunion 2003 in the subject line. Please do not post directly to this list. Thank you so much. Donna Cuillard "Mother Cumberland-A Harvest of Memories" Reunion 2003 chairman Brady Family Heritage Association: Reunion Hosts

It's an effort and takes me longer to read all caps. I'd rather reserve caps for emphasized words and surnames or place names in genealogy e-mails. Thanks, Elida in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: <MCKaylor@aol.com> To: <PADAUPHI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: [PADAUPHI] Re: PADAUPHI-D Digest V01 #5 > I think this discussion about using all CAPS or not is pretty silly. Who > cares? The important thing is whether or not you can read the information > the person is posting. I prefer to get the information I need and not worry > about how the person sent it. Let's get back to what this site is all about > and forget about whether someone used upper case or lower case. Do what is > easiest for you. Sorry, but I just had to throw my 2 cents worth in. > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > Who, Where, When. > A GOOD subject says:...... John SMITH, Arkansas, 1850-1876 > A bad one says: ........ My family >

I am looking for information on Jacob LAYMAN Sr.,b.1790c.had a brother Daniel,he was either from DAUPHIN or LANCASTER CO. Any information would be greatley appreciated. curtism749@aol.com

Looking for any TROWBRIDGE families who may have been in Dauphin County in the late 1700s and early 1800s. Any help appreciated. Donna Wolf

AMEN ( sorry, amen) to MCKaylor

List, Every so often this comes up. I prefer that all surnames be in capital letters wherever they are especially in the subject line. Now if for some reason you can't do that I don't think the list will come to a stop. That's my opinion so just do what you got to do. Nadine Hensley List Owner

Well. folks, we seem to have a difference of opinion on the meaning of "d. s. p.". The "Concise Genealogical Dictionary" defines it as "decessit sine parole", meaning "died without issue". A couple of people suggest "died single person". I suggest that neither is correct. For the first candidate, my Latin dictionary defines "decessit" as meaning withdrawn or retired. It does not list "parole" at all (the Latin for issue is "prole"). In the second case, the word "person" is superfluous - in English, we would simply say "died single" or "died unmarried". I believe the correct Latin term would be "obiit sine prole" (the double "i" is correct), meaning "died without issue". This form is also listed (correctly) in the Dictionary mentioned above. I suspect that the "d. s. p." is probably from a hybrid Latin-English term, "died sine prole". I believe that the important part is the lack of children - the person's marital status at death is often of less concern (for genealogical purposes). Gary Vincent

I think this discussion about using all CAPS or not is pretty silly. Who cares? The important thing is whether or not you can read the information the person is posting. I prefer to get the information I need and not worry about how the person sent it. Let's get back to what this site is all about and forget about whether someone used upper case or lower case. Do what is easiest for you. Sorry, but I just had to throw my 2 cents worth in.

Bill Hawk wrote: > Typing in all caps is considered a violation of basic internet etiquette. It is > comparable to shouting all the time when speaking. > > Why not set your browser for a larger font so you can more easily read it? That > is what I do when the text is too small. I agree with Bill. Another basic netiquette rule, for genealogy lists at least, is to type all surnames in upper case. This is for the reader to be able to scan a message more quickly for surnames of particular interest. If the entire message is in upper case, it rather defeats the purpose. One can't see the tree for the forest in that case! Regards, Terri Hauk thauk@home.com P.S. Iris and Jerry HARTMAN, if you can't figure out how to change your font size, let me know what sort of computer and operating system you are using and I will try to help you.

Vince, d.s.p stands for died a single person

Has anyone come across the name of Peter Blue in their research? Perhaps just a passed down family story - but worth a try. Also researching families: Rubendall, Jeremiah, Gwyther, Geringer, Spotts, Rake Thanks Franya Rubendall

For BALSBAUGH I'd check around in the Derry township, pre-Hershey area. Spring Creek Brethren Church may be a good start. -Linnea Miller At 2:24 PM -0600 1/3/01, C & L Esther wrote: >Hi, > >I am new to this list and I am looking for any information on my >ancestors, Joseph Hollinger, b.1819 in Daupin Co. and his wife Elizabeth >or Lizzie Balsbaugh b.1824, but not sure where. I believe she was born in >PA. Both died in Illinois in 1900. Their children are Fannie, Abe and >Lizzie B. > >Does anyone know who Elizabeth Balsbaugh's parents are, or when Joseph and >Elizabeth were married? > >Thanks, >Lori in IL > > > > >==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== >List Ownwer Nadine Hensley for list help please e-mail me at >ndwilson@swbell.net Linnea Travis Miller - Annville PA ltmiller@ptd.net Seeking in PA: BRUA, CASSEL, GRUMBINE, LONG, MILLER, STROH Seeking in NY & New England: COLE, GRIFFIN, SEXTON, TRAVIS

Oh. Thanks, Dave. That sounds right. Vince "Leebrick, Dave (dleebr01)" wrote: > > I believe it is "died single person", ie died unmarried. > > Dave Leebrick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent E. Summers [SMTP:vsummers@nrao.edu] > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:39 AM > > To: PADAUPHI-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [PADAUPHI] Issue: So-and-so, d.s.p. > > > > I can't wait any longer folks... ":O>) > > > > I have been typing d.s.p. over and over again for the Dauphin County > > transcription work of Bob Maley, and I think, "Vince, you'll figure > > it out, or someone will ask the same thing..." > > > > Afraid I have *not* figured it out. What does d.s.p. mean? I figure > > it has something to do with the child either dying almost at birth, or > > something like that, but do not have a clue... > > > > Vince Summers > > > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > > Who, Where, When. > > A GOOD subject says:...... John SMITH, Arkansas, 1850-1876 > > A bad one says: ........ My family > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > http://www.rootsweb.com

No wonder you couldn't figure it out...it stands for "Decessit sine parole".....died without issue.So, in a way, the other reply could be correct....the person may have been single, or married and just not blessed with any children. Linda Mockenhaupt