RHODAJ6@aol.com wrote: > > Am I reading this wrong? If the surname is Smith, don't bother with the > Family Tree Maker. I was born a Smith and am having serious problems tracing > ancestors from Dauphin Co., Pa. Rhoda et al: Just slightly - Since there are SO many Smith names in Egle's Notes, I didn't want to tie up the day looking for a certain Smith I didn't know anything about. Just checked it out, and Egle's Index has OVER 58 SCREEN PAGES of Smiths - About four pages are JOHN SMITH. It you decide to take a look, have fun and stock up on the soda and pizza! Egle published his writings in ABOUT 13 volumes, available in many libraries (Harrisburg but not Middletown). They are ALMOST all on FTM's CD#019, and a fantastic amount of research in crammed onto this disk. Except the BRINSER family - I don't know why there are no references to that family, prominent in olde Lancaster County (including present Dauphin County). I've given many credits to Egle on my various home pages about old cemeteries in the greater Middletown area, having discovered other researchers using his material chose not to cite their source of information. -- Regards, with regrets to Netscape6 users (what a mess!) CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

RHODAJ6@aol.com wrote: > > Am I reading this wrong? If the surname is Smith, don't bother with the > Family Tree Maker. I was born a Smith and am having serious problems tracing > ancestors from Dauphin Co., Pa. Rhoda et al: Just slightly - Since there are SO many Smith names in Egle's Notes, I didn't want to tie up the day looking for a certain Smith I didn't know anything about. Just checked it out, and Egle's Index has OVER 58 SCREEN PAGES of Smiths - About four pages are JOHN SMITH. It you decide to take a look, have fun and stock up on the soda and pizza! -- Regards, with regrets to Netscape6 users (what a mess!) CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

I was surfing thru e-bay and there is a Yetter Family of Steelton genealogy for sale. There are 7 or 8 other items concerning Steelton. One of them is a history of Steelton by Yetter and Kerns. I have the book published in 1970s. Full of wonderful old pictures. I don't have a stake in either of these sales, just posting for public knowledge. Jim in Vermont

FTM does support MAC users, to a degree.

That would have been Tri-Community. It is still called that. -----Original Message----- From: WolfordGen@aol.com [mailto:WolfordGen@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 9:48 AM To: PADAUPHI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Enhaut Elementary School I remember backin the '60's Pete Wambach on radio used to refer to Enhaut Oberlin and Bressler as the "Tri-Cities". My mom lived in Oberlin and my great grandfather Charles Bartels was minister at the Enhaut Church of God. Jim in Vermont ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== http://www.rootsweb.com

Elida - thanks for your comments. The home loan records do not contain the genealogical information that disability records would show. Also the home loan records are not cross referenced like other records. The post WWII education records are usually in the same VA claims folder as the disability records. Also in the VA claims folder for some of the WWII & Korean vets are insurance records usually those killed on active duty. Those are good becasue they list parents and siblings. Jim in Vermont

I remember backin the '60's Pete Wambach on radio used to refer to Enhaut Oberlin and Bressler as the "Tri-Cities". My mom lived in Oberlin and my great grandfather Charles Bartels was minister at the Enhaut Church of God. Jim in Vermont

HI Joan - I first saw Egles Notes and Queries in book form at the State Library in Harrisburg many moons ago. As I recall they are in several books by year. I can't remember if they were published as parts of other annual publications or on their own. Jim in Vermont

Additional considerations - I'd guess the VA offices would have listings of those soldiers from WWII that had applied for VA home mortgages - just ordinary draftees or enlistees without long-term retirement records. That seems like the largest group of veterans, above and beyond, VA Disability claims or College Educational Assistance. Also, some veterans of WWII were drafted before they had completed high school, and special schools were established for them to finish their high school diplomas after their discharge. The VA might not have records of those, but the Public School systems might. Philadelphia had such a school, converted for that use. My older brother finished there after three years in the South Pacific with the Army Air Corp. I can get the high school name if anyone needs it. Good luck, Elida in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: <WolfordGen@aol.com> To: <PADAUPHI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: [PADAUPHI] 1973 Records Center Fire Part II > What was salvaged? The records which could be identified and salvaged, were > taken out to a giant tent city where employees laid the records out to dry in > the air. Some records were taken to an air force base for vacuum drying. An > index to the records on hand was rescued from the fire. Also over 100,000 > reels of microfilm containing Army morning reports from 1912 to 1959 and Air > Force morning reports from 1947 to 1959. Some image damage occurred from the > heat and humidity, but consisted of only 5% of the images. A back up copy was > available to reconstruct the records. These are important because they cover > the years destroyed in the fire, but do not contain anywhere near what was > lost. > > Does this mean that every Army veteran or Air Force veteran's records were > lost if they served during these time spans? Not necessarily. If the veteran > was retired from the military or had recent reserve duty, his or her records > were at Army Reserve Personnel Command also in St Louis or the Air Force > Reserve Command in Denver. If the veteran had filed a claim with VA prior to > the fire, his records would have been sent to the VA office processing the > claim and is still with the VA claims folder. If it is an old case, it is > probably in storage elsewhere in St. Louis. > > Can records be reconstructed? Sometimes. Pay records and morning reports can > be used to verify service. Morning reports and hospital clinical records can > sometimes be used to reconstruct hospital treatment records. The only > drawback here is that the inquirer needs to know the veteran's exact unit of > assignment, the time span of treatment within 3 months and exact name of the > place of treatment. > > Looking for records. Don't accept the blanket response "Those were destroyed > in the fire" The first place to look is at the VA. Call 1-800-827-1000 and > ask them if they can identify the veteran. If he/she has an unusual name, > that may be enough. Otherwise, a service number or social security number > will be required. If VA can identify the veteran, and the veteran is > deceased, a copy of the records can be requested from VA. If the veteran was > retired, the records would be at ARPERSCOM in St Louis or if Air Force they > would be in Denver. > > Rumors!! Every so often the rumor that copies of the burnt records were > found rears its ugly head.. There is no truth at all to this rumor. What WAS > found are "Surgeon General Reports". These are statistical reports that show > a veteran was treated at a given hospital and can be used to place someone > there, but does not contain actual treatment records. > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > List Ownwer Nadine Hensley for list help please e-mail me at > ndwilson@swbell.net >

Am I reading this wrong? If the surname is Smith, don't bother with the Family Tree Maker. I was born a Smith and am having serious problems tracing ancestors from Dauphin Co., Pa. Rhoda

FTM also does not accommodate Mac users which eliminates another portion of their potential customer base. I use Reunion and have had very few complaints about it. Other companies can produce CDs that can be used on both PCs and Macs which to me seems like a logical move - my favorite CD is Dyer's Compendium of the Civil War. Peg Erdman Researching in PA: Albert, Artman, Boyle, Dimmick, Erdman, Kaseman, Russell, Schminkey, & Stroh. Researching in IL: Boewe, Hauser, Hunter, Knust, & Luther

Karl, Before 1956, I believe there were seven grades at Enhaut and the high school, 8-12, was Swatara High School, in Oberlin. In 1956 Swatara became a Jr. High and Central Dauphin, on Locust Lane in Lower Paxton Twp. became the high school after a consolidation of schools. A few years later they built Central Dauphin East, also in Lower Paxton Twp. where, the Swatara kids go to HS now. I do believe that the Enhaut school was there after 1956. They did build a middle school in Enhaut for, I believe, 5th and 6th graders maybe in the 60s. I do not know the person you are looking for. Gail

Joan Wyatt wrote: > > Hello folks. > I don't h ave family treemaker. Is it in book form at libraries so I could > look up my surnames? > Thanks > Joan::}~ You don't have Family Tree Maker???? In my opinion, it is indeed one of the finest genealogy programs available today. I began 'foolin' around with genealogy back in the '80s and tried more than just a few programs, each time going back to FTM. I like it, probably because I'm familiar with it. Few things I can't do yet with it, like reduce the notes sections to 40 characters wide, but it'll come some day. Anyhow, Egle's Notes and Queries, on a disk from FTM, self runs from the FTM program. I don't know, but believe it won't run on anything except FTM. I tried it as a stand-alone, but it LOOKS for FTM as it's reader. Since I have FTM on my computer, the CD finds it and opens up. A simple solution to using this excellent CD on Egle's Notes and Queries (he published a weekly newspaper column back in the 1880s) would be to buy an old version of Family Tree Maker at a discount store for a couple of bucks, obtain the CD, and use FTM just as the CD reader. You won't be sorry you spent the couple of bucks for the old FTM program, and the $19 for the CD is a fantastic bargain. Give me a name, and I'll see what Egle has to say about that person (please don't make it SMITH!). -- Regards, with regrets to Netscape6 users (what a mess!) CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

Hello folks. I don't h ave family treemaker. Is it in book form at libraries so I could look up my surnames? Thanks Joan

KFox1942@aol.com wrote: > > A while back you asked if I knew the cemetery where Buffalo Soldiers were > buried. I just came across a book that > states that there are many Buffalo Soldiers buried in the Midland Cemetery, > located off Kelker Street in Swatar Twp. > These were soldiers that fought in the Indian Wars in the > late 1800's early 1900's. > > Karl::}~ Thanks for the details. Since I posed that question, Howard McKamey took me to the Midland Cemetery, and we took a few pictures of stones of his relatives and others of interest. One thing we noted was the large number of deaths, around 1933, of servicemen interred there. While we wondered, neither of us came up with an answer. If anyone knows why so many servicemen died around 1933, we'd appreciate knowing the reason. -- Regards, with regrets to Netscape6 users (what a mess!) CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

I have several pages of DOC files on just Martin and Christian. That is all I can do. There are just too many of that surname on CD019. Best buy it! No Clayton, though... Vince Summers

What was salvaged? The records which could be identified and salvaged, were taken out to a giant tent city where employees laid the records out to dry in the air. Some records were taken to an air force base for vacuum drying. An index to the records on hand was rescued from the fire. Also over 100,000 reels of microfilm containing Army morning reports from 1912 to 1959 and Air Force morning reports from 1947 to 1959. Some image damage occurred from the heat and humidity, but consisted of only 5% of the images. A back up copy was available to reconstruct the records. These are important because they cover the years destroyed in the fire, but do not contain anywhere near what was lost. Does this mean that every Army veteran or Air Force veteran's records were lost if they served during these time spans? Not necessarily. If the veteran was retired from the military or had recent reserve duty, his or her records were at Army Reserve Personnel Command also in St Louis or the Air Force Reserve Command in Denver. If the veteran had filed a claim with VA prior to the fire, his records would have been sent to the VA office processing the claim and is still with the VA claims folder. If it is an old case, it is probably in storage elsewhere in St. Louis. Can records be reconstructed? Sometimes. Pay records and morning reports can be used to verify service. Morning reports and hospital clinical records can sometimes be used to reconstruct hospital treatment records. The only drawback here is that the inquirer needs to know the veteran's exact unit of assignment, the time span of treatment within 3 months and exact name of the place of treatment. Looking for records. Don't accept the blanket response "Those were destroyed in the fire" The first place to look is at the VA. Call 1-800-827-1000 and ask them if they can identify the veteran. If he/she has an unusual name, that may be enough. Otherwise, a service number or social security number will be required. If VA can identify the veteran, and the veteran is deceased, a copy of the records can be requested from VA. If the veteran was retired, the records would be at ARPERSCOM in St Louis or if Air Force they would be in Denver. Rumors!! Every so often the rumor that copies of the burnt records were found rears its ugly head.. There is no truth at all to this rumor. What WAS found are "Surgeon General Reports". These are statistical reports that show a veteran was treated at a given hospital and can be used to place someone there, but does not contain actual treatment records.

Over the years fires have robbed historians of important records. In 1800, a fire at the War Department, destroyed the records of the first ten years of our country's existence; an 1833 fire at the US Treasury destroyed early fiscal records; significant paintings and other relics went up in flames in an 1851 fire in the capitol building; and the 1921 fire at the Census Bureau destroyed most of the 1890 census. But in terms of the number of records and people affected, none of the earlier fires rival the July 12, 1973 at National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. The building housing NPRC, was built in 1956. The following year, it was determined that future buildings would require sprinkler systems and firewalls. An ominous foreboding of things to come. The building itself was 6 stories high and 728 feet long and 282 feet wide. It housed over 52 million records from all branches of the military. There were no sprinklers, nor were there firewalls except those separating the offices from the records. A fireproof vault contained high ranking officers and other VIP records. At 16 minutes after midnight on July 12, 1973, the first alarm came into the North County Fire Alarm System, a communications link for area fire companies. 20 seconds later the second alarm came in from a guard. Within 4 minutes two firetrucks were on the scene. By 1:34 am the sixth alarm was sounded. By 3:15 am, the entire 6th floor was on fire. The fire companies battled the fire by using snorkles to pour water into the 6th floor. By 2:44 on the morning of July 14th firemen were able to get to the 6th floor. By the morning of July 16th the crisis as far as the fire department was concerned was over and only one pumper remained. When the damage assessment team reached the 6th floor they found that only 10% of the 22 million records could be salvaged. The most damaged records were Army records from 1912 to 1959 and to a lesser extent Air Force records from 1947 to 1963 for surnames beginning with the letters I through Z. Records of Army personnel discharged between January 1 and July 11 received minimal damage. They found that the firemen's hoses had actually knocked records off the tops shelves and those waterlogged records helped keep the records on the bottom shelves from igniting.

Does anyone have any information on the Enhaut Elementary School built in 1908. I would like to know how many grades were in the school and where the children went to Jr. or High school after leaving the elementary school. Also I would like to know when it was closed. I'm looking for one student who went to that school in the early 1950's. Her name was Marlene Arndt and she lived in Enhaut on Dunkle Street. She would have been in the 3rd or 4th grade in the 1950-51 school year. Any help will be most appreciated. Karl Fox

Karl, Oberlin is acutally in Swatara Township, as are Enhaut and Bressler, Chambers Hill, Rutherford, Lawnton and a few other small villiages. The Brookwood area being discussed are in the City of Harrisburg. Swatara runs from the west bank of the Susquehanna River east to the Swatara Creek. The north of the township is near Spring Creek. -----Original Message----- From: KFox1942@aol.com [mailto:KFox1942@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 8:02 PM To: PADAUPHI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Brookwood Swatara Twp. Dauphin Co. is the area North of Oberlin, PA. Closer to Harrisburg, PA. There are Brookwood Streets in the area and there used to be a dairy by that name there also. There are quite a few Eshenowers living in the Harrisburg, PA area.