Bruce - if it's not too much trouble, do you have any entries for the family of John Garman/German(1760-1822), married to Barbary/Barbara(1759-1835)? or the family of their son George (1783-1841) and Rebecca Bitzer (1787-1854) Garman/German? All are buried in Shoops Church Cemetery. Thank you, Sue

Thank you to all who responded to my plight of not receiving mail from the various list due to AOL blocking Rootsweb mail. I have now set up a mail box with Yahoo.com and am receiving my list mail there. Once again thanks to all that sent me the list mail and for the other suggestions on how to get around AOL. Cindy Walker Portage, IN. USA

I was wondering if anyone had the above publication. I would like to ask for a lookup for Catharine Beinhauer, born 1807 in Dauphin Co. PA I believe. She married John D. Singer in about 1827, they later removed to Ashland, OH. She was my Gr.Gr.Grandmother and I just learned her maiden name. Thank You, Myrna Singer Casey [email protected]

Marcia, I have seen many such references in writings of the 1860's. One diarist often referred to "going to meet his son at the cars from Phila." and he was talking about the steam railroad at that time. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Houston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Cars, Canal Boats and Stages in 1829 > Thanks, that's a pretty neat site. I also consulted my 1960 copies of the > World Book Encyclopedia (I will never throw them out, they are a wealth ...

Cars may refer to the mail shipments, that William Calder had contracted. Or perhaps it's the other way around and the "stage" is mail and the cars are larger passenger coaches. You are right that no rail lines existed in Harrisburg. The first "railroad" to reach Harrisburg was a horse-drawn train that made its debut in August 1836. A month later a steam locomotive made its appearance. On the other hand, William Calder had built up his business in Harrisburg to the point that fifteen coaches were leaving the town daily. All the above info is from Gerald Eggert's excellent book "Harrisburg Industrializes" (1993, University Park, The Pennsylvania State University Press), pages 21, 29-31. The other possibility is that the 1829 date is wrong, as happens sometimes in those older county histories. Is there a transportation historian who could shed more light? -----Original Message----- From: Houston [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] Cars, Canal Boats and Stages in 1829 I'm trying to figure what "cars" is referring to from the following page from the "History of Dauphin County" 1907. In a report by the committee on roads to the State senate, dated 1829, appeared the following: "Arrival and Departure of Cars, Canal Boats and Stages. (Colder's Line)" The Philadelphia cars leave Harrisburg every morning at 7 1/2 o'clock, and at 4 o'clock p. m. and arrival from Philadelphia at 6a. m. and 2 p. m. ..... Chambersburg cars leave here every day at 8 1/2 a. m. and 2 1/2 p. m. Arrive from Chambersburg at 7a. m. and 2 p. m. The Express Packet Boat leaves Harrisburg every day at 2 1/2 p. m. and arrives from Pittsburg every day at 10 p. m. ..... The Reading Stage leaves daily at 8 o'clock a. m. and arrives from Reading daily at 8 p. m.... The Packet Boats are the canal boats, the Stage is well, a horse drawn stage coach, would anyone have an idea what they meant by "cars"? There was no passenger railroad that I'm aware of in the late 1820's, unless they were cars on tracks being hauled by horses. Steam engines were just making their debut as a curiosity in this country in 1829. Marcia Fronk ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== Post only genealogy related topics

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Thanks, that's a pretty neat site. I also consulted my 1960 copies of the World Book Encyclopedia (I will never throw them out, they are a wealth of information, and much of what was history then (1960) is no longer included as history in the new CD Grolier type of encyclopedias). The Encyclopedia did note that 1830 was when the first railroad was run to haul passengers. The Baltimore and Ohio ran a few horse drawn passenger cars a few miles out of Baltimore. I also went to the Map Collections web site of the Library of Congress and found an 1829 map of Pennsylvania. Canals were marked (the Union Canal went through Dauphin Co.) and a Proposed Railroad was marked from Harrisburg to Chambersburg. Your right when you mention that once the technology was reliable the age of railroads took off at a fast pace. Transportation was so important for commerce, passengers were not the priority. So, maybe when they mention "cars" they are referring to the horse drawn rails, I just never came across a reference to it before in Dauphin County. Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Penrose" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [PADAUPHI] Cars, Canal Boats and Stages in 1829 > Go to the site below and see just when railroads started up in the east. > It was a very rapid development after rails were chartered. > > > > http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/nation/train_1 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Houston [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PADAUPHI] Cars, Canal Boats and Stages in 1829 > > > I'm trying to figure what "cars" is referring to from the following page > > from the "History of Dauphin County" 1907. > > In a report by the committee on roads to the State senate, dated 1829, > appeared the following: > > "Arrival and Departure of Cars, Canal Boats and Stages. (Colder's Line)" > > The Philadelphia cars leave Harrisburg every morning at 7 1/2 > o'clock, > and at 4 o'clock p. m. and arrival from Philadelphia at 6a. m. and 2 p. > m. ..... > Chambersburg cars leave here every day at 8 1/2 a. m. and 2 1/2 p. > m. > Arrive from Chambersburg at 7a. m. and 2 p. m. > The Express Packet Boat leaves Harrisburg every day at 2 1/2 p. m. > and arrives from Pittsburg every day at 10 p. m. ..... > The Reading Stage leaves daily at 8 o'clock a. m. and arrives from > Reading daily at 8 p. m.... > > The Packet Boats are the canal boats, the Stage is well, a horse drawn > stage coach, would anyone have an idea what they meant by "cars"? > > There was no passenger railroad that I'm aware of in the late 1820's, > unless > they were cars on tracks being hauled by horses. Steam engines were just > > making their debut as a curiosity in this country in 1829. > > Marcia Fronk

I'm trying to figure what "cars" is referring to from the following page from the "History of Dauphin County" 1907. In a report by the committee on roads to the State senate, dated 1829, appeared the following: "Arrival and Departure of Cars, Canal Boats and Stages. (Colder's Line)" The Philadelphia cars leave Harrisburg every morning at 7 1/2 o'clock, and at 4 o'clock p. m. and arrival from Philadelphia at 6a. m. and 2 p. m. ..... Chambersburg cars leave here every day at 8 1/2 a. m. and 2 1/2 p. m. Arrive from Chambersburg at 7a. m. and 2 p. m. The Express Packet Boat leaves Harrisburg every day at 2 1/2 p. m. and arrives from Pittsburg every day at 10 p. m. ..... The Reading Stage leaves daily at 8 o'clock a. m. and arrives from Reading daily at 8 p. m.... The Packet Boats are the canal boats, the Stage is well, a horse drawn stage coach, would anyone have an idea what they meant by "cars"? There was no passenger railroad that I'm aware of in the late 1820's, unless they were cars on tracks being hauled by horses. Steam engines were just making their debut as a curiosity in this country in 1829. Marcia Fronk

Go to the site below and see just when railroads started up in the east. It was a very rapid development after rails were chartered. http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/nation/train_1 -----Original Message----- From: Houston [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] Cars, Canal Boats and Stages in 1829 I'm trying to figure what "cars" is referring to from the following page from the "History of Dauphin County" 1907. In a report by the committee on roads to the State senate, dated 1829, appeared the following: "Arrival and Departure of Cars, Canal Boats and Stages. (Colder's Line)" The Philadelphia cars leave Harrisburg every morning at 7 1/2 o'clock, and at 4 o'clock p. m. and arrival from Philadelphia at 6a. m. and 2 p. m. ..... Chambersburg cars leave here every day at 8 1/2 a. m. and 2 1/2 p. m. Arrive from Chambersburg at 7a. m. and 2 p. m. The Express Packet Boat leaves Harrisburg every day at 2 1/2 p. m. and arrives from Pittsburg every day at 10 p. m. ..... The Reading Stage leaves daily at 8 o'clock a. m. and arrives from Reading daily at 8 p. m.... The Packet Boats are the canal boats, the Stage is well, a horse drawn stage coach, would anyone have an idea what they meant by "cars"? There was no passenger railroad that I'm aware of in the late 1820's, unless they were cars on tracks being hauled by horses. Steam engines were just making their debut as a curiosity in this country in 1829. Marcia Fronk ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== Post only genealogy related topics

Hi All, As some of you know AOL is blocking the mail from Rootsweb to most of us that have AOL as an ISP. I contacted Rootsweb and below is the response I got from them. I would appreciate it if SKS on the list who gets the Rootsweb mail in digest form could forward it to me as I am about to go into withdrawls from not being able to get any mail from Rootsweb. Thanks in advance, Cynthia Walker A response to your Help Desk message, "AOL Blocking mail from Rootsweb," of Thu, 29 Jan 2004, at 7:05 p.m. follows: ------------------------- Hi, AOL started a bulk mail spam filter that is blocking list mail. They have to lift that. Don't know how they can say that is our problem as we can not force them to accept our mail. However, the good news is Drew has been in contact with them and some mail is starting to get through so hopefully things will get back to normal soon. D.

Does anyone have a connection to this family? Descendants of John Shafer 1 John SHAFER .. +Mary DELP ... 2 Mary SHAFER b: in (living in Sunbury, Northumberland Co., PA in 1931) ....... +? KILKEIFER ... 2 Susan SHAFER b: in (living in Sunbury, Northumberland Co., PA in 1931) ....... +? REBUCK ... 2 Elias M. SHAFER b: November 13, 1847 in Dauphin Co., PA (appears in 1930 Maryland Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: January 18, 1931 Burial: Adeline Cemetery, Adeline, Maryland Twp., Ogle Co., IL ....... +Lydia Catherine AUSHERMAN b: 1854 in OH m: October 30, 1889 in Forreston Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: October 17, 1927 Burial: Adeline Cemetery, Adeline, Maryland Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: John Ausherman Mother: Sarah McMullen Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger & Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.aol.com/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/

Thank you so much, I just love the way they used to talk. Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay M. Osman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: [PADAUPHI] Klinger records/Klinger excerpts > Nelson, > Thanks for the info you sent. If Jesse Klinger was the child of two young unwed parents I'm afraid we may never know more than we do now. > > I am enclosing FYI a few Klinger excerpts from a letter written in 1838 by William Osman, b. 1819, s/o Robert Osman, to his brother Moses. The letter describes the travels of William and another brother Joshua in and about Lykens Twp. in the fall of 1838. Maybe you will recognize some of these people. > > "...A little below that we saw the ground work of a saw mill which was about to be built by the tenant of the new house just noticed, which tenant's name was Kissinger, married to P. Klinger's daughter, and a son of old John Kissinger..." > > "...we went up along the creek to John Philip Klingers. There we found none at home but the old women and little 'uns were about to be at scrubbing. As no male is safe about the house while the women are scrubbing we made our stay short and mosied toward Philip Klingers..." > > "...About a half mile from Klingers on the Gratztown road we came to a new house about being erected by John Kissinger Sr., for his son Jonas where we found brother John [Osman] and his son Ben..." [This John Osman is my gg-grandfather. He and his son Ben were carpenters.] > > "...The next place we landed at was Philip Klingers. After a brief talk with the old lady, Philip and about two legions of young 'uns made their appearance, who were all rather surprised to see us. Philip was very sociable and commanded a dinner to be prepared. While this preparation was going on he conversed on a variety of subjects, such for instance as his bees, his new land, his colt, old sow, potato crop, etc., etc., which I would give you verbatim in this letter if I possibly could remember it. While we were in probably the most interesting part of the old gentleman's conversation a tremendous rush was made toward the table by the whole family, which I thought looked more like going to war than going to the table, and I whispering to Joshua asked what he thought this might mean. He answered that he conjectured it was a sign that dinner would soon be ready. And it happened that he was not mistaken, for in a few minutes Philip invited us to take dinner with himself. We a! > ssented. ...After dinner the conversation turned upon religion of which Philip and wife profess and undoubtedly possess a good deal. About two o'clock we again went to see J. P. Klinger..." > > "...we jogged of to John Klingers. ...He has four children living and one dead, which is pretty good for about five years..." > > "...After a little Ann Klinger came in whom we were acquainted with and we shook her paw and entered into a very lively conversation, in which she among things informed us that she was married to Abraham Kissinger and lived well..." > > Note that William differentiates between John Philip Klinger, Philip Klinger and John Klinger. This entire letter as well as other letters written by William Osman from roughly 1836 to 1850, are on microfilm at the Gratz Historical Society. > Thanks again, > Jay Osman > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > DAUPHIN COUNTY PA GEN-WEB site > http://www.maley.net/dauphin/ > >

Hi Listers; James Wallace married Elisabeth Elder on 29 Nov 1753 in Hanover and Paxtang according to a reference found online from "Early Lutheran Baptisms and Marriages in Southeastern Pennsylvania" which apparently contains the "Records of Rev. Johan Casper Stoever: Baptismal and Marriage, 1730-79." published in Harrisburg, PA: 1896. Can anyone tell me if this is a second marriage for Elisabeth or Elizabeth Elder, and if she was the widow of Thomas Elder?? Thomas was born abt 1708 in Scotland and died July 1752 in Paxtang and was said to have been buried in the cemetery of the Paxtang Presbyterian Church there. Thomas Elder's wife has been variously recorded as "Mary Patterson" and "Elizabeth Mary Patterson." Many thanks for your help. Dave

Jay - thanks for sending such an interesting view of life in PA in the 1800's. Now if I can sort out the Klingers and make sure I have the right ones!! Lora (not in any particular order) Searcher for Lefflers, NASCAR fan, Collector of Shawnee pottery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay M. Osman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: [PADAUPHI] Klinger records/Klinger excerpts > Nelson, > Thanks for the info you sent. If Jesse Klinger was the child of two young unwed parents I'm afraid we may never know more than we do now. > > I am enclosing FYI a few Klinger excerpts from a letter written in 1838 by William Osman, b. 1819, s/o Robert Osman, to his brother Moses. The letter describes the travels of William and another brother Joshua in and about Lykens Twp. in the fall of 1838. Maybe you will recognize some of these people. > > "...A little below that we saw the ground work of a saw mill which was about to be built by the tenant of the new house just noticed, which tenant's name was Kissinger, married to P. Klinger's daughter, and a son of old John Kissinger..." > > "...we went up along the creek to John Philip Klingers. There we found none at home but the old women and little 'uns were about to be at scrubbing. As no male is safe about the house while the women are scrubbing we made our stay short and mosied toward Philip Klingers..." > > "...About a half mile from Klingers on the Gratztown road we came to a new house about being erected by John Kissinger Sr., for his son Jonas where we found brother John [Osman] and his son Ben..." [This John Osman is my gg-grandfather. He and his son Ben were carpenters.] > > "...The next place we landed at was Philip Klingers. After a brief talk with the old lady, Philip and about two legions of young 'uns made their appearance, who were all rather surprised to see us. Philip was very sociable and commanded a dinner to be prepared. While this preparation was going on he conversed on a variety of subjects, such for instance as his bees, his new land, his colt, old sow, potato crop, etc., etc., which I would give you verbatim in this letter if I possibly could remember it. While we were in probably the most interesting part of the old gentleman's conversation a tremendous rush was made toward the table by the whole family, which I thought looked more like going to war than going to the table, and I whispering to Joshua asked what he thought this might mean. He answered that he conjectured it was a sign that dinner would soon be ready. And it happened that he was not mistaken, for in a few minutes Philip invited us to take dinner with himself. We a! > ssented. ...After dinner the conversation turned upon religion of which Philip and wife profess and undoubtedly possess a good deal. About two o'clock we again went to see J. P. Klinger..." > > "...we jogged of to John Klingers. ...He has four children living and one dead, which is pretty good for about five years..." > > "...After a little Ann Klinger came in whom we were acquainted with and we shook her paw and entered into a very lively conversation, in which she among things informed us that she was married to Abraham Kissinger and lived well..." > > Note that William differentiates between John Philip Klinger, Philip Klinger and John Klinger. This entire letter as well as other letters written by William Osman from roughly 1836 to 1850, are on microfilm at the Gratz Historical Society. > Thanks again, > Jay Osman > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > DAUPHIN COUNTY PA GEN-WEB site > http://www.maley.net/dauphin/ >

Nelson, Thanks for the info you sent. If Jesse Klinger was the child of two young unwed parents I'm afraid we may never know more than we do now. I am enclosing FYI a few Klinger excerpts from a letter written in 1838 by William Osman, b. 1819, s/o Robert Osman, to his brother Moses. The letter describes the travels of William and another brother Joshua in and about Lykens Twp. in the fall of 1838. Maybe you will recognize some of these people. "...A little below that we saw the ground work of a saw mill which was about to be built by the tenant of the new house just noticed, which tenant's name was Kissinger, married to P. Klinger's daughter, and a son of old John Kissinger..." "...we went up along the creek to John Philip Klingers. There we found none at home but the old women and little 'uns were about to be at scrubbing. As no male is safe about the house while the women are scrubbing we made our stay short and mosied toward Philip Klingers..." "...About a half mile from Klingers on the Gratztown road we came to a new house about being erected by John Kissinger Sr., for his son Jonas where we found brother John [Osman] and his son Ben..." [This John Osman is my gg-grandfather. He and his son Ben were carpenters.] "...The next place we landed at was Philip Klingers. After a brief talk with the old lady, Philip and about two legions of young 'uns made their appearance, who were all rather surprised to see us. Philip was very sociable and commanded a dinner to be prepared. While this preparation was going on he conversed on a variety of subjects, such for instance as his bees, his new land, his colt, old sow, potato crop, etc., etc., which I would give you verbatim in this letter if I possibly could remember it. While we were in probably the most interesting part of the old gentleman's conversation a tremendous rush was made toward the table by the whole family, which I thought looked more like going to war than going to the table, and I whispering to Joshua asked what he thought this might mean. He answered that he conjectured it was a sign that dinner would soon be ready. And it happened that he was not mistaken, for in a few minutes Philip invited us to take dinner with himself. We a! ssented. ...After dinner the conversation turned upon religion of which Philip and wife profess and undoubtedly possess a good deal. About two o'clock we again went to see J. P. Klinger..." "...we jogged of to John Klingers. ...He has four children living and one dead, which is pretty good for about five years..." "...After a little Ann Klinger came in whom we were acquainted with and we shook her paw and entered into a very lively conversation, in which she among things informed us that she was married to Abraham Kissinger and lived well..." Note that William differentiates between John Philip Klinger, Philip Klinger and John Klinger. This entire letter as well as other letters written by William Osman from roughly 1836 to 1850, are on microfilm at the Gratz Historical Society. Thanks again, Jay Osman

Hi I do not have this line? I think I have John Phillips Parents, but not from JR on down. Was it Johann Phillip and Eva Elizabeth Beilstein? Could you give me names of other siblings of this couple? They connect into my Hubler line and my husband's Moyer line. Oh my goodness another way we are cousins, at least 5 times now my husband and I are, LOL Where s the Klinger cemetery, could some one send directions? Thanks Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Klinger family questions > Roger, I don't have much, but this is what I do have: > > John Philip Klinger, buried at Klinger's Cemetary > 3/11/1792-3/30/1854 > son of John Philip Klinger, Jr. and Anna Maria Schneider > siblings include Elizabeth, Alexander, John, John Peter, Salome, and Mary > Magdalena. > > married Catherine Kauffman, buried at Klinger's Cemetary > 4/2/1794-8/27/1854 > > no info on children. > > Laura Darr > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > Who, Where, When. > A GOOD subject says:...... John SMITH, Arkansas, 1850-1876 > A bad one says: ........ My family > >

If Roget's posting was a new one on the Klingers, I also missed it, could it be reposted? Thanks Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson Sulouff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Klinger family questions > Regret I did not see the Klinger query from Roger that occasioned a > response from Laura Darr. I am responding to Laura's reply. > > I have Klingers dating from 1520 to 1991, including immigrant Johann > Philip Klinger (1723-1811), who is buried at Klinger's Church, Erdman, > Dauphin Co., along with several other Klingers I show in that cemetery. > > Will be happy to share with Klinger researchers if you contact me and we > can find a connection. > > Nelson R. Sulouff > [email protected] > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:51 AM > Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Klinger family questions > > > > Roger, I don't have much, but this is what I do have: > > > > John Philip Klinger, buried at Klinger's Cemetary > > 3/11/1792-3/30/1854 > > son of John Philip Klinger, Jr. and Anna Maria Schneider > > siblings include Elizabeth, Alexander, John, John Peter, Salome, and > Mary > > Magdalena. > > > > married Catherine Kauffman, buried at Klinger's Cemetary > > 4/2/1794-8/27/1854 > > > > no info on children. > > > > Laura Darr > > > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > > Who, Where, When. > > A GOOD subject says:...... John SMITH, Arkansas, 1850-1876 > > A bad one says: ........ My family > > > > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > Who, Where, When. > A GOOD subject says:...... John SMITH, Arkansas, 1850-1876 > A bad one says: ........ My family > >

Hi Earl Thank you very much for the information. We had been at that cemetery, but only had Phillip and Barbara's name. so you have helped. I am wondering have you ever seen your name spelled Lipsett or Lipsey? My maiden was Lipsett. Thanks again Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl H. Lippert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Cemetery in Elizabethville, Dauphin County, PA > Hi Tonya, > > I've checked my book and this is what is listed for the Stone Church at the > corner of Main & Bender Sts., Elizabethville, Dauphin Co., PA. Inscriptions > copied 1967. > > Page 88 > > LEBO, MINNIE, dau. of Philip & Barbara, died 11-22-1859 - Age indistinct. > > LEBO, _______, son of Philip & Barbara, 5-25-1855 - 8-12-1860. > > Page 91 > > LEBO, ELIZABETH, wife of Jonathan, 1822 - 1878. > > They have a second listing of the same cemetery, but they call it the > Lutheran & Reformed Cemetery and said these stones were copied by some > unknown individual around 1895, which is fortunate for us, since many of the > stones no longer exist. > > Page 120 > > LEBO, ELIZABETH; b. 20 Dec. 1822; d. 7 June 1878. > > Page 121 > > LEBO, PHILIP; b. 6 Sept. 1815; d. 3 Apr. 1896. > > LEBO, BARBARA; b. 3 Sept. 1822; d. 24 Aug. 1875. > > LEBO, WILLIAM; b. 25 Oct. 1855; d. 13 Jan. 1890. > > > As you can see between the two lists, Elizabeth Lebo's years are the same, > but the second list has the month and day of her birth and death, but the > unnamed son of Philip & Barbara in the first list has the same day and year, > but different month for his birth, as the William Lebo in the second list, > and also a different death date. Some questions there! I double and triple > checked my book to make sure I wasn't making a mistake transcribing this > information for you. If there is a mistake, it was made in the book. I > sure hope it helps you. > > Good Luck, > > Earl > > > > > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > KISS- Keep It Short & Simple > >

Hi Tonya, I've checked my book and this is what is listed for the Stone Church at the corner of Main & Bender Sts., Elizabethville, Dauphin Co., PA. Inscriptions copied 1967. Page 88 LEBO, MINNIE, dau. of Philip & Barbara, died 11-22-1859 - Age indistinct. LEBO, _______, son of Philip & Barbara, 5-25-1855 - 8-12-1860. Page 91 LEBO, ELIZABETH, wife of Jonathan, 1822 - 1878. They have a second listing of the same cemetery, but they call it the Lutheran & Reformed Cemetery and said these stones were copied by some unknown individual around 1895, which is fortunate for us, since many of the stones no longer exist. Page 120 LEBO, ELIZABETH; b. 20 Dec. 1822; d. 7 June 1878. Page 121 LEBO, PHILIP; b. 6 Sept. 1815; d. 3 Apr. 1896. LEBO, BARBARA; b. 3 Sept. 1822; d. 24 Aug. 1875. LEBO, WILLIAM; b. 25 Oct. 1855; d. 13 Jan. 1890. As you can see between the two lists, Elizabeth Lebo's years are the same, but the second list has the month and day of her birth and death, but the unnamed son of Philip & Barbara in the first list has the same day and year, but different month for his birth, as the William Lebo in the second list, and also a different death date. Some questions there! I double and triple checked my book to make sure I wasn't making a mistake transcribing this information for you. If there is a mistake, it was made in the book. I sure hope it helps you. Good Luck, Earl

Nelson - I am not a Klinger researcher, per se, but a Leffler researcher who is interested because of the marriage of Ana Maria Leffler to J. Philip Klinger, Jr. I am interested in their descendants. I have a lot of information, much of it is not entered into my Family Tree Maker, but I am slowly working on it. If there is anything I can send to you, please ask and I will see what I have. Are you by any chance a descendant of Gottlieb Leffler (died abt. 1790)? There seem to be a lot of descendants still in the Northumberland/Dauphin/Schuylkill area, but not a lot with the Leffler name. You can contact me direct at [email protected] Lora (not in any particular order) Searcher for Lefflers, NASCAR fan, Collector of Shawnee pottery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson Sulouff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Klinger family questions > Regret I did not see the Klinger query from Roger that occasioned a > response from Laura Darr. I am responding to Laura's reply. > > I have Klingers dating from 1520 to 1991, including immigrant Johann > Philip Klinger (1723-1811), who is buried at Klinger's Church, Erdman, > Dauphin Co., along with several other Klingers I show in that cemetery. > > Will be happy to share with Klinger researchers if you contact me and we > can find a connection. > > Nelson R. Sulouff > [email protected] > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:51 AM > Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Klinger family questions > > > > Roger, I don't have much, but this is what I do have: > > > > John Philip Klinger, buried at Klinger's Cemetary > > 3/11/1792-3/30/1854 > > son of John Philip Klinger, Jr. and Anna Maria Schneider > > siblings include Elizabeth, Alexander, John, John Peter, Salome, and > Mary > > Magdalena. > > > > married Catherine Kauffman, buried at Klinger's Cemetary > > 4/2/1794-8/27/1854 > > > > no info on children. > > > > Laura Darr > > > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > > Who, Where, When. > > A GOOD subject says:...... John SMITH, Arkansas, 1850-1876 > > A bad one says: ........ My family > > > > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > Who, Where, When. > A GOOD subject says:...... John SMITH, Arkansas, 1850-1876 > A bad one says: ........ My family >