Does anyone have the records for Trinity Lutheran Church in Hegins? I am searching for any bmd records for Moyer from 1850 to 1920. Thank you Tonya

Chris & Amy wrote: > Hello, > Are you at all familiar with David's Church in Killinger, Pa? > Thank you so much for your time! > Chris & Amy: There is insufficient information in your e-mail to provide a meaningful answer to your question. But I'll try. St. David's Church Cemetery is listed on page 85 of Karl J. Fox's "Cemeteries of Dauphin County, Pennsylvania." The GPS coordinates are N40 33.613 and W76 55.413. This is south of Killinger along Route 25, between the intersections of St. David and Hoy Roads. It's not too far from the old Salem Lutheran Church Cemetery. IF YOU GIVE ME A HINT OF WHO YOU THINK MIGHT BE BURIED THERE, ALONG WITH THEIR CHURCH AFFILIATIONS AND OCCUPATIONS, I MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU OUT FURTHER. -- Regards, CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

Try http://maley.net/atlas/ I found my GGGgrandmother's estate in Market Square, downtown Harrisburg. This is an awesome sight! Brenda Ham -----Original Message----- From: Houston [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 3:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] Map of Harrisburg, around 1800 Looking to find a Lot map of Harrisburg around 1800. Has anyone seen reference to one? The State Archives lists that it has a plan map dated 1810 of Harrisburg, just two years before it became the state capital. I'm looking for an earlier map if anyone knows of one. Marcia Fronk ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail [email protected] or [email protected] with unsubscribe in message.

I am looking for information on Philip Miller married to Irene ? He was born approx. 1875 Philip and Irene may have had a child Alfred who was born 1913 and died 1914. They lived in the Williamstown area (I think) I have no other information Is anyone researching this Miller line. Would appreciate any help Thanks in advance Barbara in Louisiana email address: [email protected] Researching:Schuylkill/Dauphin Cos. Carl, Trion/Treon/Trean,Kolb,Clark.Bowman/Bauman, Troutman/Trautman, Bruch, Jury, Schupp/Shoop,Yeager,Matter,Kaiser,Brand,Hengen,Klein,Schaffner, Young, Miller,Barr,Knoll/Noll/Null,Bashore/Bashoar/Boeshoar,Tshoop,Meyer,Roth, Philadelphia PA area: Brenneisen,Nagle,Bechtel,Mann,Pomroy,McNamee

I agree Martz may be a family name, I found allot of Martz's in Northumberland, but no connection yet to Henry Martz Fronk, born 1810. I found it interesting that John Hatfield was having his daughter, born 1788, baptized in 1801 by a Lutheran minister. (I think the family was Presbyterian) John had a son born 1808 named Cyrus Hatfield. My ancestor born 1827 was named Cyrus Hatfield Fronk, I think there has to be a connection of some kind for him to have that name. Both families (Fronk and Hatfield) were in the Halifax, Upper Paxton township area at that time. (1808-1830). Do you have any connection to the Peter Garman who went out to Cambria county and settled Garmantown in Susquehanna Township? Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: "sue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Congregation at Fertigs, about 1801 > Hi Marcia, I don't think so. Do you have a year for his birth? I see there > was a Jacob Garman in Lebanon township in Lebanon county in 1759. And there > is mention of a Rev. George Martz in Lebanon county too. Maddeningly, that > is all that is said, no detail at all. I'm wondering if your Henry Franck's > parents were a Franck or Fronck and a Martz. Franck when pronounce in > German does or can come out as Fronck (of can be heard by an > english-speaking ear), and I have seen both spellings in the earlier books. > And a few books have spelled Martz "Martz" and then in brackets put (Marx) - > I wonder if Martz evolved into Marx at some point? > > Sue

Hi Marcia, I don't think so. Do you have a year for his birth? I see there was a Jacob Garman in Lebanon township in Lebanon county in 1759. And there is mention of a Rev. George Martz in Lebanon county too. Maddeningly, that is all that is said, no detail at all. I'm wondering if your Henry Franck's parents were a Franck or Fronck and a Martz. Franck when pronounce in German does or can come out as Fronck (of can be heard by an english-speaking ear), and I have seen both spellings in the earlier books. And a few books have spelled Martz "Martz" and then in brackets put (Marx) - I wonder if Martz evolved into Marx at some point? Sue

Thanks Sue, that helps. Would the Garmans you have relate at all to Jacob and Mary (Wieland) Garman? They had a daughter Barbara b. 1814 in Dauphin county, she married Henry Martz Fronk/Frank in 1838. I'm trying to find Henry's parents. Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: "sue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Congregation at Fertigs, about 1801 > Elizabeth Fertig (1819 - 1887) of Middle Paxton, daughter of Adam Fertig > (1776 - 1839) and Elizabeth Klein (1780 - 1860) of Middle Paxton, married > John F. Garman (son of George and Rebecca (Bitzer) Garman) in 1840. They > seemed to frequent Zion Lutheran Church, and Elizabeth Fertig Garman is > buried in the Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Middle Paxton.

Elizabeth Fertig (1819 - 1887) of Middle Paxton, daughter of Adam Fertig (1776 - 1839) and Elizabeth Klein (1780 - 1860) of Middle Paxton, married John F. Garman (son of George and Rebecca (Bitzer) Garman) in 1840. They seemed to frequent Zion Lutheran Church, and Elizabeth Fertig Garman is buried in the Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Middle Paxton.

Looking to find a Lot map of Harrisburg around 1800. Has anyone seen reference to one? The State Archives lists that it has a plan map dated 1810 of Harrisburg, just two years before it became the state capital. I'm looking for an earlier map if anyone knows of one. Marcia Fronk

Thanks for the reply. Do you know what church or congregation they belonged to? Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Congregation at Fertigs, about 1801 > At least one branch of the FERTIG family were in Middle Paxton, a daughter, > Sarah married Jonathan NOVINGER. Her parents probably Mary ? and Adam FERTIG. > Sarah FERTIG and Jonathan NOVINGER were parents of Mary b. ca 1840; married 11 > June 1867 to Jesse MCCARTY b 02 Aug. 1830, in Dauphin, Middle Paxton Twp. > Dauphin Co. I hope this helps. Jean M Bruce

At least one branch of the FERTIG family were in Middle Paxton, a daughter, Sarah married Jonathan NOVINGER. Her parents probably Mary ? and Adam FERTIG. Sarah FERTIG and Jonathan NOVINGER were parents of Mary b. ca 1840; married 11 June 1867 to Jesse MCCARTY b 02 Aug. 1830, in Dauphin, Middle Paxton Twp. Dauphin Co. I hope this helps. Jean M Bruce

In the transcribed records of the Zion Lutheran Church, Harrisburg, I found the following note next to the listing of the baptism of Sarah, daughter of John and Sarah Hatfield: the congregation at Fertigs. This baptism was done by Rev. Heinrich Moeller. Anyone know where the Fertig family lived in 1801? The Hatfields lived in Upper Paxton Twp. I wonder if this congregation survived long enough to establish a church.

Thanks for the reply George and Jan. From other tax records it seemed the Piazza was a considerable part of the home. Here is a description from the 1798 Direct Tax of a property owned by John McDonald in Carlisle, Cumberland Co. Nicholas Shantz was occupant: House: 2-story wood 22' x 21' 7 windows 76 lights(panes) Piazza: 1 story wood 15' x 6' 2 windows 27 lights Kitchen: 1- story stone 15' x 17' 1 window 9 lights Stable: wood 15' x 20 1/2' From the dimensions for the Piazza, as you said George, it did not go the whole length of the house. And with the mention of windows it must have been partially enclosed. I'm sure there have been other discussions about the use of porches so I won't be long winded here, but my guess would be that being in the town, the Piazza was to provide a pleasing appearance to the side of the house facing the street. Most "country" homes would often have the front of the house oriented to face south, where the porch could provide extra work and living space. Just think of the how the "deck" on many houses today influence how we use our homes. I can see the Architectural Historians descriptions now...... Marcia ----- Original Message ----- From: "George F. Nagle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: RE: [PADAUPHI] Notices from The Oracle Newspaper, 1819 > "FOR SALE - A convenient 2-story brick House...Brick Piazza and a large log > Kitchen, > all under good roof....situate on Paxton street...The Turnpike runs past the > door...John Hiney > (Anyone know what a Piazza would refer to?)" > > A large roofed porch, generally high style, as opposed to the vernacular > styles that would extend along the entire front of a home. The term, though > sounding Italian, was common in Britian at this time. This information is > from "A Field Guide to American Houses" by Virginia and Lee McAlester (New > York, Alfred A. Knopf, 1993) p. 52. A great book for architectural > historians and American Studies people like myself. > > George F. Nagle > Editor, Afrolumens Project > http://www.afrolumens.org/

Many thanks to those who responded to my inquirer about "The Harrisburg Historical Society". Historic Harrisburg Association may be the group being referred to. What sparked my interest was the 1971 obituary of a distant cousin which stated she was a member of "The Harrisburg Historical Society". I also found the references to them on the two web pages. One was the "Capital Area Genealogical Society's" newsletter from Sept. 1996 about them sponsoring a tour of the Harrisburg Cemetery. It gave a phone number for the society, however that number is the number of The Dauphin County Historical Society. I am beginning to believe they just got the name wrong an met "The Dauphin County Historical Society" Again, many thanks Ray Rhoads

That is Historic Harrisburg Association, which is concerned with preserving historic buildings, neighborhoods and landmarks. Although they aren't concerned with genealogy, they do have some resources for researching where your ancestors lived, who their neighbors were and so forth. And, of course, they all love local history, so even if you can't find what you need, they probably do know where to find it. Historic Harrisburg Association 1230 North Third Street Harrisburg, PA 17102 (717) 233-4646 Fax: (717) 233-0635 They used to have a webpage, but no longer. George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Coleen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [PADAUPHI] Harrisburg Historical Society I believe the Harrisburg Historical Society is located at 3rd and Verbeke in Harrisburg. While it has no webpage, it is mentioned several times on various pages. If you do a search "Harrisburg Historical Society" you get several pages. I was in the society on Third several years ago, and found that they had quite a collection of city directories, but not much else, at least not what I was looking for. Coleen -----Original Message----- From: George F. Nagle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [PADAUPHI] Harrisburg Historical Society I don't know if a Harrisburg Historical Society ever existed. The Historical Society of Dauphin County is the oldest in the area, going strong since 1868. Historical Society of Dauphin County The John Harris/Simon Cameron Mansion 219 South Front Street Harrisburg, PA 17104 (717) 233-3462 Fax (717) 233-6059 http://www.dauphincountyhistoricalsociety.org/ George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Ray Rhoads [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] Harrisburg Historical Society Does anyone know of a Harrisburg Historical Society? Is it still in existance? Ray Rhoads ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== http://www.rootsweb.com ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== DAUPHIN COUNTY PA GEN-WEB site http://www.maley.net/dauphin/ ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== Who, Where, When. A GOOD subject says:...... John SMITH, Arkansas, 1850-1876 A bad one says: ........ My family

I believe the Harrisburg Historical Society is located at 3rd and Verbeke in Harrisburg. While it has no webpage, it is mentioned several times on various pages. If you do a search "Harrisburg Historical Society" you get several pages. I was in the society on Third several years ago, and found that they had quite a collection of city directories, but not much else, at least not what I was looking for. Coleen -----Original Message----- From: George F. Nagle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [PADAUPHI] Harrisburg Historical Society I don't know if a Harrisburg Historical Society ever existed. The Historical Society of Dauphin County is the oldest in the area, going strong since 1868. Historical Society of Dauphin County The John Harris/Simon Cameron Mansion 219 South Front Street Harrisburg, PA 17104 (717) 233-3462 Fax (717) 233-6059 http://www.dauphincountyhistoricalsociety.org/ George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Ray Rhoads [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] Harrisburg Historical Society Does anyone know of a Harrisburg Historical Society? Is it still in existance? Ray Rhoads ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== http://www.rootsweb.com ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== DAUPHIN COUNTY PA GEN-WEB site http://www.maley.net/dauphin/

Jan, although I mentioned in my reply that a piazza was a centralized porch rather than the longer, whole front type, for Central Pennsylvania, I think it very well could apply to either style because of the strong Pennsylvania German tradition of fronting homes on the road, which would often require a long porch. George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Janice A. Frank [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] Notices from The Oracle Newspaper, 1819 At 07:00 PM 3/12/2004, you wrote: >FOR SALE - A convenient 2-story brick House...Brick Piazza and a large log >Kitchen, >all under good roof....situate on Paxton street...The Turnpike runs past >the door...John Hiney >(Anyone know what a Piazza would refer to?) Marcia - I think it is a long porch that extends the whole front of the house. In Charleston, SC, where they are often on two stories, they are still called that. Jan ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== http://www.rootsweb.com

"FOR SALE - A convenient 2-story brick House...Brick Piazza and a large log Kitchen, all under good roof....situate on Paxton street...The Turnpike runs past the door...John Hiney (Anyone know what a Piazza would refer to?)" A large roofed porch, generally high style, as opposed to the vernacular styles that would extend along the entire front of a home. The term, though sounding Italian, was common in Britian at this time. This information is from "A Field Guide to American Houses" by Virginia and Lee McAlester (New York, Alfred A. Knopf, 1993) p. 52. A great book for architectural historians and American Studies people like myself. George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Houston [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] Notices from The Oracle Newspaper, 1819

I don't know if a Harrisburg Historical Society ever existed. The Historical Society of Dauphin County is the oldest in the area, going strong since 1868. Historical Society of Dauphin County The John Harris/Simon Cameron Mansion 219 South Front Street Harrisburg, PA 17104 (717) 233-3462 Fax (717) 233-6059 http://www.dauphincountyhistoricalsociety.org/ George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Ray Rhoads [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] Harrisburg Historical Society Does anyone know of a Harrisburg Historical Society? Is it still in existance? Ray Rhoads ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== http://www.rootsweb.com

Yes, there is. I provided a link below. http://members.aol.com/JCW37/FRmuseum.html Coleen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] Fire Museum Is there a fire museum in Harrisburg? Jim in Vermont ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== DAUPHIN COUNTY PA GEN-WEB site http://www.maley.net/dauphin/